Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on May 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

For years, administration officials have used the power of the federal government to isolate their opponents. Meanwhile, the unionized employees who populate the IRS and other agencies across the country routinely take their cues from union bosses, whose political donations and speeches show their support for the White House. When it comes to rewarding friends and punishing enemies, the IRS is not alone…

The spread of the speech police under the Obama administration has long been apparent. We all saw the president’s reelection team using the politics of intimidation, with old-school “enemies lists” and explicit attacks on groups and other private citizens. At the same time, the administration has been extremely creative in employing throughout the federal government the sorts of intimidation tactics that were used at the IRS…

These tactics are straight out of the left-wing playbook: Expose your opponents to public view, release the liberal thugs and hope the public pressure or unwanted attention scares them from supporting causes you oppose.

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But it now turns out there may have suppression of the vote after all. “It looks like a lot of tea-party groups were less active or never got off the ground because of the IRS actions,” Wisconsin governor Scott Walker told me. “Sure seems like people were discouraged by it.”

Indeed, several conservative groups I talked with said they were directly impacted by having their non-profit status delayed by either IRS inaction or burdensome and intrusive questioning. At least two donors told me they didn’t contribute to True the Vote, a group formed to combat voter fraud, because after three years of waiting the group still didn’t have its status granted at the time of the 2012 election. (While many of the targeted tea-party groups were seeking to become 501(c)(4)s, donations to which are not tax-deductible, True the Vote sought to become a 501(c)(3).) This week, True the Vote sued the IRS in federal court, asking a judge to enjoin the agency from targeting anyone in the future.

Cleta Mitchell, True the Vote’s lawyer, says we’ll never know just how much political activity was curtailed by the IRS targeting.

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If we give the president the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows the truth is going to come out, the question remains: Does the administration appoint the special prosecutor sooner or later? The calculus inside the White House is how to best protect the president’s political interests. They have two options. They could delay the appointment and let more of the story develop, weather the ugly piecemeal disclosures, give the players time to get their stories straight and lawyer-up and hope Republicans continue their overreach, giving the whole affair a nutty partisan patina. Or, they could accelerate the appointment of a special prosecutor, thereby slowing the congressional inquiries and giving Jay Carney some relief from his daily embarrassing routine by supplying him with the escape hatch of not being allowed to comment on matters associated with the special prosecutor’s ongoing investigation. Not to mention, the White House all the while could blast the appointed counsel as a partisan ideologue à la the hatchet job that was done on Ken Starr.

Anyway, if the president is innocent, he will end up needing and wanting a special prosecutor sooner rather than later. If he and his White House already have too much to hide, then they must clam up, cry partisanship and hope their allies on the Hill and in the media have the stamina for the long, hard slog ahead.

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The second reason to bring in a special prosecutor is that it’s the surest way to get answers the public might trust. The Republicans are not so much looking for “the truth” as they are looking for a resonant story line – whether it is Mitch McConnell’s theme that Obama has begotten “a culture of intimidation” (not that anybody seems very intimidated, least of all the Tea Party) or confirmation that Government Is The Problem, or the more plausible argument that the White House is too often AWOL. The Democrats, for their part, are not so much looking for “the truth” as trying to change the subject: it’s about the flood of special interest money from undisclosed donors, it’s about underfunding of the government, it’s about the desperate need for tax reform. What it’s about is this: at least one I.R.S. outpost engaged in behavior that was at best stupid and at worst alarming. It’s about shoring up America’s trust in its government, and in this president.

The third reason for a special counsel is that the government has serious business to conduct, and the scandal circus on Capitol Hill is a terrible distraction. Oversight, so-called, is what we do these days instead of passing a budget, reforming the immigration system, or processing the countless government and judicial appointments awaiting confirmation. Handing off the I.R.S. problem to a special counsel and putting congressional hearings on hold would allow everyone, including journalists, to turn their attention to all that unfinished business.

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The moment a prosecutor — special or otherwise — takes over, the public flow of information stops. All witnesses will claim that the pendency of a criminal investigation means they cannot discuss the matter “on advice of counsel.” They will cease cooperating with congressional investigators. The prosecutor will claim that grand-jury secrecy rules bar comment about the expansive investigation (a claim the government routinely makes, even though the rules actually bar comment only by the prosecutor, investigative agents, and grand jurors — not the witnesses).

Public disclosure should be the goal here. It is the one thing that has driven the IRS story to this point. Public disclosure of the shockingly intrusive harassment of the president’s political opponents, the prohibitive legal and regulatory expenses imposed on ordinary people for merely exercising their right to participate in the political process, is what has broken through the administration’s Obamedia fortress. Yet public disclosure is precisely what would be lost if Congress were to punt its oversight responsibilities to a special counsel…

There will be plenty of time later to prosecute wrongdoers. The statute of limitations on most federal crimes is five years. At the moment, what’s called for is a public reckoning for the IRS: an investigation designed to shine the light of day on what actually happened, who was involved (whether or not they are criminally culpable as opposed to just sleazy), who should be pressured to resign — or should be removed — from public office, and how government revenue collection should be restructured to ensure it cannot be used as a partisan weapon. That kind of investigation would demand the media’s continuing attention. It can be done only by Congress — and would be best done, as would the Benghazi investigation, by a select committee that issues subpoenas and holds public hearings.

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Unlike his predecessor, Obama was supposed to be smart. He was supposed to be ethical and judicious in his use of executive power. More than anything, he was supposed to “turn the page” on the ugly chapter of American history known as the Bush era.

As new revelations come out on the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, the IRS targeting of conservative groups and the Department of Justice’s war against journalists, the irony for Obama is that the less he’s directly implicated, the deeper indictment it is for his governing political philosophy.

After all, if a president were simply incompetent or dishonest, it would be much easier to argue that a change in leadership could lead to better results. But if Obama is a bright, honest and decent man, yet the government has gotten so big that low-level bureaucrats can go rogue and choose to target groups based on their ideologies, then there’s a much more fundamental problem.

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“It’s clear the government is too large … nobody knows what’s going on… and you’re going to take all these people who don’t know what’s going on and put them in charge of the largest expansion of government in history? It’s hard to imagine what’s going to happen, but it’s probably not going to be good.”

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Scrumpy?

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Bueller?

malclave on May 23, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I wish she were here, too!

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Obama’s black. He told the minions at Morehouse. That’s all.

SouthernGent on May 23, 2013 at 10:46 PM

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 10:45 PM

It’s not the same.

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Can we please have national divorce?

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM

“It’s clear the government is too large … nobody knows what’s going on… and you’re going to take all these people who don’t know what’s going on and put them in charge of the largest expansion of government in history? It’s hard to imagine what’s going to happen, but it’s probably not going to be good.”

Well… elgeneralisimo imagines his wallet approaching the event horizon of a bureaucratic black hole…

elgeneralisimo on May 23, 2013 at 10:54 PM

We all saw the president’s reelection team using the politics of intimidation, with old-school “enemies lists” and explicit attacks on groups and other private citizens.

You idiots are a few years late, there. Barky’s been attacking individuals right from the Oval Office and talking about “enemies” of his retarded, anti-American ideas since 2008. Of course, you dipsh!ts have supported the Sukarno knock-off every step of the way. Scum.

You and the Indonesian and the rest of the leftist slugs should all go straight to hell, where you belong.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 23, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Cleta Mitchell, True the Vote’s lawyer, says we’ll never know just how much political activity was curtailed by the IRS targeting.

Stop being so naive. Obama is a community organizer, he knows ALL ABOUT setting up non-profit groups for political gain. He knew EXACTLY how to stop conservative communities from organizing.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM

But it now turns out there may have suppression of the vote after all. “It looks like a lot of tea-party groups were less active or never got off the ground because of the IRS actions,” Wisconsin governor Scott Walker told me.

I don’t think I really believe this. The spirit of the thing was mulling around before Santelli’s rant in February, 2009 gave it a name. It was fueled by Beck, manifested in multiple projects, maybe most noticeably in the disorganized but massive national opposition to the government’s seizure of the health care system, and is still around. But it’s always been more a spirit than an organized political movement. If it really was a nascent political movement, what killed it (or took the wind out of its sails temporarily, as the case may be) was 1. learning it was impotent, for some inexplicable reason, and Obamacare rolled right over it, i.e., “it doesn’t matter what we do,” and 2. being betrayed by congress, last-up: Rubio, i.e., “it doesn’t matter who we elect.”

Speculating. I’m not planting any flags on any of those hills and am about to spin a tune and look for RWM.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM

The best part is Barry is no longer a “lightworker” or “political redeemer”. Nope, now he’s evil incarnate and a drag on Big Government’s brand name and image.

Ah, now I know how the leftists felt when they ran Nixon out of town. I do declare this is mighty satisfying. :-)

Punchenko on May 23, 2013 at 11:02 PM

There was a time when the IRS acted against Al Capone. Now, under Obama, the IRS acts like Al Capone.

VorDaj on May 23, 2013 at 11:05 PM

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Coming from the innocence of Chicago politics?

He would never try to use state power against people who might oppose him.

IlikedAUH2O on May 23, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Can we please have national divorce?

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM

You don’t have half the map blue and the other half red, though. You have a giant red sheet with blue polka dots all over it. How can we divorce? We overlap. Best we could hope for, not taking the couple’s therapy path, is all the sheet red or all the sheet blue.

I say we take the television stations and the schools.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:06 PM

The moment a prosecutor — special or otherwise — takes over, the public flow of information stops. All witnesses will claim that the pendency of a criminal investigation means they cannot discuss the matter “on advice of counsel.” They will cease cooperating with congressional investigators. The prosecutor will claim that grand-jury secrecy rules bar comment about the expansive investigation (a claim the government routinely makes, even though the rules actually bar comment only by the prosecutor, investigative agents, and grand jurors — not the witnesses).

This.

Curtiss on May 23, 2013 at 11:08 PM

“It’s clear the government is too large … nobody knows what’s going on… .. “

Obama knows that his enemies are being punished even if he doesn’t know all the precise details.

VorDaj on May 23, 2013 at 11:08 PM

You don’t have half the map blue and the other half red, though. You have a giant red sheet with blue polka dots all over it. How can we divorce? We overlap. Best we could hope for, not taking the couple’s therapy path, is all the sheet red or all the sheet blue.

I say we take the television stations and the schools.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Simple: We tell people we are leaving, and they have 6 months to decide to move.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 11:09 PM

kryptonite

Ah man, I’m screwed. She’s AWOL. She’s nowhere, man. And I have no plan B. Meh. BRB — Making rounds pointlessly.

Simple: We tell people we are leaving, and they have 6 months to decide to move.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 11:09 PM

. . . where do we say we’re going? :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

From Peggy Noonan:

A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration wants the FBI—which answers to Eric Holder’s Justice Department—to investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will not be trustworthy.

An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.

Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now—if the internal corruption within it is not broken—it will never stop, and never be broken. The American people will never again be able to have the slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government. And that, actually, would be tragic.

itsspideyman on May 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

I say we take the television stations and the schools.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Never going to happen. Just look at the effort to save the LATimes. They won’t submit even when economics crush them. As for schools, pull them out.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

. . . where do we say we’re going? :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Depends. Is the UKIP going to restore gun ownership?

But in seriousness, the red states declare non-membership in the union.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 11:13 PM

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM

This. And a brilliant lawyer…or so we’ve been told.

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 11:16 PM

But it now turns out there may have suppression of the vote after all. “It looks like a lot of tea-party groups were less active or never got off the ground because of the IRS actions,” Wisconsin governor Scott Walker told me.

John Pfund – as inane as he is – has a cogent point, I believe. I also believe Axe has a point. However, after the Black Panther case was not only ignored – but disdained – by the Justice Department, and all the shrieking about “voter suppression” that never happened in 2000…….there is NO DOUBT that what has occurred here by The Liberals is WITHOUT QUESTION Voter Suppression……..just like statements from people like Durbin and Kennedy and Reid and others in Congress were causal factors in elevated killings by The Terrorists after Durbin and Kennedy and Reid and the others spoke on National Television

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 11:17 PM

. where do we say we’re going? :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

nice song Axe.lol, I’m thinking “why did he post so early, it’s still light out and he should wait for QOTD thread.” I guess he did and I’m on CA time where I just finished dinner.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Ken, you still got the B. :)~
Howdy.

bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

You don’t have half the map blue and the other half red, though. You have a giant red sheet with blue polka dots all over it. How can we divorce? We overlap.

We don’t overlap. There are spots of leftists and leftist pets scattered around. They’ll have to make their way to the socialist paradise if they want to keep getting free stuff. It’s not that big of a deal. Most of them would move on a moment’s notice just to keep getting their government bennies.

Best we could hope for, not taking the couple’s therapy path, is all the sheet red or all the sheet blue.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Won’t work. This nation is toast, already. Done. Finished. There is no repairing the damage wrought over the past 4+ years. Too much stuff has been broken and in too much of an insane way. You can’t just turn around and say, “Well, that was then. From NOW on, we’ll follow the Rule of Law” – even though we have a SCOTASS justice who was specifically nominated for her empathy, in direct opposition to over 3 millenia of Western jurisprudence and the very foundation of our system … not to mention that treasonous idiot Benedict Roberts and his having made a total mockery of any sense of law.

No. There is no repairing this damage. There is no couples therapy to have when you’re married to a homicidal lunatic cannibal with an IQ hovering in the mid 80s.

And then there are all the perversions of our legislative processes, the total abuse of the Executive office without being held accountable for ANYTHING and on and on and on. You can’t just say, “That’s over.”

Barky should have been impeached, tossed, prosecuted and jailed for his dictat on illegals and how his whim will determine who is allowed on our territory and who isn’t. But, instead of that (which should have been a slam dunk, if our society had any chance left) we have the GOP trying to collude with the treasonous Indonesian and do him one better in the destruction of America.

No couples therapy. It isn’t possible. This isn’t a marriage, either. We didn’t choose to have these slugs around. We didn’t choose to have our country fundamentally deformed – and our Constitution said that it couldn’t be done.

A national divorce (with whatever mess has to be dealt with for it) is the only real solution. There is nothing left to fix, here. Things have been so injured, deformed and damaged that starting over is the only way to restore an American nation.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Unlike his predecessor, Obama was supposed to be smart. He was supposed to be ethical and judicious in his use of executive power. More than anything, he was supposed to “turn the page” on the ugly chapter of American history known as the Bush era.
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Yup,and Obama is a hundred-fold of what Hopey/Changey Supporters
thought of Bush!

I’m really not to sure,how the MSM/ObamaVoterBots can live with
themselves,knowing that they created this Political FrankenStein!

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Walk On By – Isaac Hayes

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:20 PM

If there’s a national divorce, can the conservatives please have the southern half??
Minus California. They can keep that.

americanmama on May 23, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Bmore on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good evening, Bmore. :) Well done.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:21 PM

bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Hi Darlin’

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 11:23 PM

You and the Indonesian and the rest of the leftist slugs should all go straight to hell, where you belong.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 23, 2013 at 10:57 PM

And the chute they slide down should be lubed with nice shards of glass dipped in lemon juice.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Bmore on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Awesome!

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 11:24 PM

BREAKING:

Bridge collapse in Washington state
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/bridge-collapse-in-washington-state
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Photo: The Washington state collapsed bridge, via viewer Molly Olsen – @komonews

Submitted 8 mins ago from pic.twitter.com by editor
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https://mobile.twitter.com/komonews/status/337767731518648321/photo/1

Burlington Police confirm 1 person pulled from water under collapsed bridge in Skagit River – @KIRO7Seattle

Submitted 11 mins ago by editor
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canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I’m really not to sure,how the MSM/ObamaVoterBots can live with
themselves,knowing that they created this Political FrankenStein!

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

The LIV Obama voters don’t give a sh!t, as long as they’re getting their free stuff and the jerks in the MSM are so invested in the “Political Frankenstein” that they’ll do anything and everything they can to keep it going for as long as they can.

Utopia’s just right around the corner. /

PatriotGal2257 on May 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Hi Darlin’

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 11:23 PM

*swoon* ;)

bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Genius!

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Slippin Into Darkness – War

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

YIKES – bad memories from the bridge collapse here.

Here’s hoping everybody is okay.

gophergirl on May 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Totally O/T but oh man: the Interstate 5 bridge at Burlington, WA just collapsed into the Skagit River not far from where I live. I’ve been over that bridge a million times. Both Northbound and southbound lanes are down. Wow. Major route into / out of Canada.

dont taze me bro on May 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM

I would like to hear Rush and Beck start to talk more about the creation of the IRS, how totalitarianism was rising in the world at the time and the IRS was an American manifestation of that negative trend, how it has been abused by both sides over many administrations over the course of generations and is inherently corrupt and unfixable. Instead of focusing entirely on specific who is to blame and pretending that there are just a few bad apples, I wish they would target the IRS and intrusive income based taxation in general.

There is no need to wait for the scandal to be fully investigated to begin the process of getting rid of the IRS.

Frankly I think that the IRS needs to be abolished and a new, fair special election called because the ’12 election was a complete con job. If the government won’t hold a free and fair election without shenanigans this time then the American people have a natural right to demand redress. Getting rid of the IRS shouldn’t even wait until the next election or two, people should demand it immediately.

FloatingRock on May 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM

The LIV Obama voters don’t give a sh!t, as long as they’re getting their free stuff and the jerks in the MSM are so invested in the “Political Frankenstein” that they’ll do anything and everything they can to keep it going for as long as they can.

Utopia’s just right around the corner. /

PatriotGal2257 on May 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Exactly.

gophergirl on May 23, 2013 at 11:28 PM

How long until the sequester is blamed for the bridge collapse?

supernova on May 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

LOL, great job Mr B.

bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 11:30 PM

gophergirl on May 23, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Good evening, GG. What frightens me most is that this sets precendent. What this president gets away with in terms of shirking responsibility for acts of lawlessness under his command will only be built upon as future presidents seek to push the envelope in terms of what they can get away with in their own tenures. It doesn’t really matter if that future president is Democrat or Republican, Libertarian or anything else. Lawlessness isn’t partisan… it’s just lawlessness. The rule of law is further eroded, and our protections under the law become meaningless.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Live news stream of bridge collapse story, rescue, etc:

http://www.king5.com/live-stream/pop-up-no-ads/KING-Live-Stream-205421141.html

dont taze me bro on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

All right, that was . . . ten minutes I can’t get back.

nice song Axe.lol, I’m thinking “why did he post so early, it’s still light out and he should wait for QOTD thread.” I guess he did and I’m on CA time where I just finished dinner.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:18 PM

California time sounds confusing. :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:33 PM

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Yep. I would be this creeped out if it was a Republican using the IRS and getting phone records of a journalist’s parents.

The thing is I think the truth on all these scandals is 100x worse than what we know.

gophergirl on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM

How long until the sequester is blamed for the bridge collapse?

supernova on May 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM

I figured it would be in the release, so I read it. :) Alas, foiled again.

Lot of Novas on HA. You’ll have to be Super or SN or something.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Live news stream of bridge collapse story, rescue, etc:
http://www.king5.com/live-stream/pop-up-no-ads/KING-Live-Stream-205421141.html
dont taze me bro on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Thanks for the news – better stream here:

http://www.komonews.com/live

Looks to be a lot less serious than the Minneapolis collapse some years back.

whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM

It doesn’t really matter if that future president is Democrat or Republican, Libertarian or anything else. Lawlessness isn’t partisan… it’s just lawlessness. The rule of law is further eroded, and our protections under the law become meaningless.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Evening miss Jackie. As usual good points. The only quibble I have is that a future repub president could not get away with this nonsense because the press would suddenly awaken and the reach around repubs aka “beat me, treat me bad” weak sisters would pitch a fit.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Now that was a rant and a half!

(I find myself nodding in agreement with most of it, though.)

ElectricPhase on May 23, 2013 at 11:40 PM

<a href="Text to click on“>This IS The Day…….perhaps there’s room for ACTUAL hope……

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Bmore
N I C E !

KOOLAID2 on May 23, 2013 at 11:43 PM

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Good evening, Arnold. :) I thought about that, too, and at first that was my position as well, but then I thought of how much the two parties have really become one political class, colluding together to pass legislation that would be rejected by the nation if it were put up for a referendum vote, and I’m inclinded to think they want to be able to erode the law at will. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. We know they’ll do or say anything to remain a part of the political class once initiated into that elite club. Eroding the law, trampling the constitution, and ruling this nation, rather than serving its citizens seems to be on the agenda.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Looks to be a lot less serious than the Minneapolis collapse some years back.

whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Yes, hopefully that is the case. But this is going to be a major impact. They said just now that 70,000 vehicles per day cross that bridge. I’ve been over it a million times…there’s no good alternative for that many vehicles in the area. Will be a mess for a long time.

dont taze me bro on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

The LIV Obama voters don’t give a sh!t, as long as they’re getting their free stuff and the jerks in the MSM are so invested in the “Political Frankenstein” that they’ll do anything and everything they can to keep it going for as long as they can.

Utopia’s just right around the corner. /

PatriotGal2257 on May 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

PatriotGal2257:Amen on that,I bet, the ObamaBots,aren’t
even self-aware sumpins(sarc on dat)!:)

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:45 PM

California time sounds confusing. :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:33 PM

It is but I’m not crazy. I was looking at several threads forgot which one I was on. Wondered why music was on the Lerner thread only it wasn’t. Don’t mind me, I’ll get better.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Dire Straits:Evening Dire,hows it all going:)

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Speculating. I’m not planting any flags on any of those hills and am about to spin a tune and look for RWM.

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Good, because I call it The Boot Election. After this, Benghazi, media threats, religious entities being audited…more to unfold, the 2012 election is no better than Venezuela’s.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Eroding the law, trampling the constitution, and ruling this nation, rather than serving its citizens seems to be on the agenda.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

That’s kind of deep and we’re boned anyway. I bet you are still as beautiful as ever. Tell the cats hi.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Blue On Black <- Mellow, for Hawk

Colours <- For Me

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Good evening, GG. What frightens me most is that this sets precendent. What this president gets away with in terms of shirking responsibility for acts of lawlessness under his command will only be built upon as future presidents seek to push the envelope in terms of what they can get away with in their own tenures. It doesn’t really matter if that future president is Democrat or Republican, Libertarian or anything else. Lawlessness isn’t partisan… it’s just lawlessness. The rule of law is further eroded, and our protections under the law become meaningless.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

lawlessness“? Oh, no, no, you do not understand!

Anthrax – “I [0dumba] Am the Law” (live 1987)

Anti-Control on May 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

It is but I’m not crazy. I was looking at several threads forgot which one I was on. Wondered why music was on the Lerner thread only it wasn’t. Don’t mind me, I’ll get better.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:45 PM

. . . wish HA would fix the database problem. I have something to finish and I need it to be more reliable.

*sip*

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM

The Rs are as culpable, if not more so, for having enabled, the charlatanic thugs to succeed at all this.

Boehner, Issa, Cantor, Romney, etc. knew about most all of this and said/did nothing bef. the election, nada.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM

“lawlessness“? Oh, no, no, you do not understand!

Anthrax – “I [0dumba] Am the Law” (live 1987)

Anti-Control on May 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Don’t comment so close to me, jiffer. :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Dire…

KCB on May 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Looks to be a lot less serious than the Minneapolis collapse some years back.
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Yes, hopefully that is the case. But this is going to be a major impact. They said just now that 70,000 vehicles per day cross that bridge. I’ve been over it a million times…there’s no good alternative for that many vehicles in the area. Will be a mess for a long time.
dont taze me bro on May 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Yup. Big detours for quite awhile.

Just from the pics, there’s not much of a comparison re:level of damage.

WA bridge collapse

2007 Minneapokis bridge collapse

whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

for having enabled, the charlatanic

Arnold inserted that comma :)

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

You’re just as wonderful as ever, Arnold.:) Those bengals are lying next to me taking up way too much room even as I write this. :)

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:52 PM

No, GWB inserted that comma.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:52 PM

We’ve become the U.S.S.A. And you know it’s never gonna stop until we cut out the cancer that is public service unions.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.” -God AKA Barack Hussein 0dumba

Anti-Control on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

The rule of law is further eroded, and our protections under the law become meaningless.

thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 11:32 PM

People leave college having never been exposed to the ideas there, the rule of law against the rule of men. Let alone any foundation or justification for law.

Evening, graceful Jackie. :)

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

On a technical note, has anybody else noticed that the comment system here works slightly differently recently? After I’ve posted a comment and then continue reading other comments after mine, when I refresh the page instead of maintaining the present location in the thread it goes back to my last comment.

Maybe it’s not HotAir that has changed, perhaps it was FireFox, I’m not sure.

It was better the old way, IMO.

FloatingRock on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

America = AmeriKa, 2013

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I’ve got to go for a few hours but will check back later to see if anybody else noticed the change in the comment system.

FloatingRock on May 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

buddy holly

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 11:45 PM

good eveeening

Fred

jrsrigmvr on May 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Bmore, you are simply fantastic. Wonderful. I saw the stooges.

Did you -shop the 3 monkeys of oblivion?

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM


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I struck out the block in both form and function.

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

You didn’t do that on purpose. I was an accident.

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM

We’ve become the U.S.S.A.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Oh … it’s worse than that. We’re the A.S.S.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Well if it was an accident then how do you account for the explanatory to comment embedded in the so-called accident?¿

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

LOL. I don’t know why but that’s too funny.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 24, 2013 at 12:00 AM

On a technical note, has anybody else noticed that the comment system here works slightly differently recently? After I’ve posted a comment and then continue reading other comments after mine, when I refresh the page instead of maintaining the present location in the thread it goes back to my last comment.

Maybe it’s not HotAir that has changed, perhaps it was FireFox, I’m not sure.

It was better the old way, IMO.

FloatingRock on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

It’s Firefox.

I know the prob is fixed in the Nightly version.

Anti-Control on May 24, 2013 at 12:00 AM

canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Good evening friend..How are the grand kids??..I hope good.:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 12:00 AM

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

How did you get hold of Obama’s vision for America?

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Just from the pics, there’s not much of a comparison re:level of damage.

WA bridge collapse

2007 Minneapokis bridge collapse

whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Well, Minneapolis looked uglier, and their were several fatalities in that case (we don’t know yet if there are any here…hopefully not).

But regardless of how the damage looks, the bottom line is that the Interstate in both directions is taken out. That’s a major deal.

Just now hearing that a truck with oversize load hit the bridge and precipitated the collapse. Yikes.

dont taze me bro on May 24, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Surprised no one has posted this yet:

Time To Go: Holder OK’d Press Probe

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

The Huffington Post is calling for Holder’s resignation.

PolAgnostic on May 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

If You Could Only See

Maybe it’s not HotAir that has changed, perhaps it was FireFox, I’m not sure.

It was better the old way, IMO.

FloatingRock on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

I think . . . I did notice that . . . without noticing that I noticed it. But I’m not sure, either that it is actually happening or that I noticed it, so beyond an attempt to be polite, this comment will probably be more or less of no value whatever, except, perhaps, as some small reinforcement that you are vaguely well received, the value of which I can’t even begin to estimate since I have no idea what condition your self-esteem might be in.

Mine could use some work, but that’s neither here nor there, and telling you that is just prolonging the inevitable “Submit” click, which is getting harder with each additional word, so I might as well go ahead.

Axe on May 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

buddy holly

williamg on May 23, 2013 at 11:45 PM

good eveeening

Fred

jrsrigmvr on May 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Nice Return!

williamg on May 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Axe on May 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Good evening, Axefellow.:)So good to see you.

Yes. Sadly, you’re right about the kind and quality of education people are getting from the academic world these days. However, not all of the fault lies with academia. Laziness and a lack of regard for, and thirst for, knowledge and real understanding on the part of the individual matters, too. Self awareness and self reliance. Taking responsibility for what we know and how accurately we percieve the world. Most of the people sitting in university seats these days are marking time, paying thier tuition and fees, or borrowing the money to pay them, and simply trying to get a piece of paper which they view as thier ‘golden key to success’. (Success generally, and hazily, being defined as a loft apartment in a trendy neighborhood, a shiny red sports car, a gorgeous ‘other’ or several, hot and cold running credit cards, and all the electronic gadgetry their heart desires.)

thatsafactjack on May 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Hopey/Changey Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Jobs Lolly-Wagging
has cost some lives………………..
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AP analysis: 759 bridges in Washington have worse rating than one that collapsed – @MikeBakerAP

Submitted 6 mins ago from news.yahoo.com by editor
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http://news.yahoo.com/5-bridge-collapses-nw-wash-people-water-024939823.html

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM

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I struck out the block in both form and function.

SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

But apparently, not “fit”

It takes “fit, form and function!………

williamg on May 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM

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