British troops told not to wear uniforms outside bases after yesterday’s attack in London

posted at 1:21 pm on May 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Hard to imagine a more demoralizing order for a soldier than to tell him to take off the uniform and hide after an enemy’s attack. And the powers that be know it: They’re stressing that the order’s temporary in order to blunt public indignation over their decision.

The twisted punchline here is that the victim yesterday wasn’t wearing a uniform. The two degenerates who murdered him apparently targeted him because they saw him entering or exiting a barracks. There’s the next move, presumably — evacuate the barracks nationwide until they’re safe. For soldiers.

Defence sources said the order had been given that uniform should not be worn by those travelling alone, or on public transport as a “common sense precaution” immediately after the killing

A source stressed the order was temporary while investigations into the killing carried on and the decision would be reviewed in the next few days…

“Personally, I would argue against it,” [Col Richard Kemp] told the Today programme. “As we saw in this case you don’t need to have somebody in uniform, you just need to have someone who knows a bit about soldiers and does a bit of observation in the vicinity of a barracks and you can identify a soldier very quickly…

The Ministry of Defence has already announced it is increasing security at all barracks in London.

A lingering mystery: Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act? By some accounts, it took 20 minutes for the cops to get there. The terrorists took time to chat with people nearby. Unless I missed something, no one laid a hand on them until they were eventually shot by police. Is that the Kitty Genovese syndrome at work or something worse? Richard Fernandez at the Belmont Club says “worse”:

This incident illustrates, if nothing else, the endpoint of the social engineering of the West. It has been remarkably effective. From a certain point of view the British crowd behaved perfectly and this is the way “they” all want us to behave. The populace sheltered in place, didn’t do anything rash, talked to the perpetrators as people. They waited for the police to come and the hospital helicopter to take the corpse away. Some will doubtless get counseling to overcome their shattering experience.

And then they will congratulate themselves on how tough British society is; resilience and all that. The more caring will leave some flowers by a railing and hold a few candle vigils for healing and peace, until these wither and blow away and the news cycle washes up a new object of attention.

The attackers knew they were actors in a drama — as keenly watched in their communities as on the BBC. And in that other audience they were asking, “how will the locals behave”. We know now. And that other audience may derive an entirely different lesson from this tableau.

Maybe that’s why British authorities felt safe about giving the order to lose the uniforms. Maybe the bulk of the UK is past the point of indignation.

There’s information floating around today about one of the attackers, if you care. I don’t. The story’s familiar enough: He’s homegrown, had friends, became radicalized at some point, was acquainted with other cretinous radicals, and evidently turned up on some British intelligence list before slipping through the cracks. The only thing novel about them that I’ve seen so far is their M.O. Instead of the terror of mass casualties they chose the terror of intimate barbarity, butchering a man in broad daylight on a public street and then showing off the blood on their hands. Message: “This is how far we’re willing to go,” same as in the beheading porn that Al Qaeda likes to film. If you’re going to spend time on this story today, skip the stuff about the attackers and read this instead. The victim was Lee Rigby; he served two tours in Afghanistan. His son is two years old.

Via Mediaite, here’s an interview with one of the bystanders yesterday. She was no match for the terrorists physically so she did what she could to slow them down until the cops arrived: She distracted them by talking to them while they waved around knives and meat cleavers just a few feet away. Exit quotation: “Better me than a child.”


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Neville Chamberlain anyone?

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Hmmm..sounds like us (old soldiers) in 1970 and 71 at some airports here in the U.S. Many, including me, would run to the closest restroom and get out of uniform. We were obviously not concerned about matchete wielding lunatics, but we were concerned about bags of dog crap and uber insults launched our way…from drug addled lunatics here in America.

By the way, many of these drug addled lunatics are now in the House and Senate…and as aids to the WH….they are called neo-Democrats.

norm1111 on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I really am sorry you had to go through that. Despite what wars we may or may not agree on it is truly pathetic to attack a soldier who is doing his job (in a draft no less!)

RDE2010 on May 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Any information on these homegrown terrorists..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Negative, that would be against the PC law.

Now, Conservatives, all 4 of those over in the UK, the government knows EXACTLY where they’re at and what they’re doing at ALL times. Just in case they contemplate taking any kind of action against the peace loving Islamists.

Meople on May 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Hmmm..sounds like us (old soldiers) in 1970 and 71 at some airports here in the U.S. Many, including me, would run to the closest restroom and get out of uniform. We were obviously not concerned about matchete wielding lunatics, but we were concerned about bags of dog crap and uber insults launched our way…from drug addled lunatics here in America.

norm1111 on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Experienced this sporadically in the late 70′s (AF ROTC, lot of people on campus really didn’t dig the uniform) and 90′s (three block radius around the Naval base was off limits; you could go through but you couldn’t stop, and local commands told their people not to wear uniforms for regular transit).

Of course, during the early 70′s, bomb builders were going against military types, too. So who knows: maybe in a few years that knifer will get tenure somewhere…

apostic on May 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

He was coming out of the barracks in a “Help for Heroes” tee. HFH is like our Wounded Warrior Project charity.

HFH’s website crashed yesterday, so many people were trying to donate.

Wethal on May 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Let’s hope that over the next couple of weeks a few million non-muzzies in the UK start wearing those shirts.

slickwillie2001 on May 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I will add that in the British papers this morning, the police defended themselves by pointing out that unarmed police arrived in 4 minutes at which point they called for “firearmed” police (and apparently then just stood around waiting) who arrived 14 minutes after the first call. Not far off the witness’ saying as much as 20 minutes.

Smacks of ‘I’m all right Jack!” .

The actions (or lack of) of the bystanders is worrying and borders on voyeurism .

Sheep being led by sheep .

EnglishRogue on May 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Hitler and Mussolini are sitting in Hell shaking their heads and wishing that they would have had the good fortune to be born in the late 20th century rather than the late 19th.

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

I don’t exactly agree.

They were big power Fascists.

Aside from the recent resale of Eastern Europe, that would not work today. Remember the grand dreams of Saddam?

Heck, albeit we were nicer than the WWII generation with Iraq. We did spend a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in a country where they would have made a lovely parking lot but we went after him . Twice.

We used the flag football crew to track then elite troops get Osama.

The bad guys are getting inside with the help of the media/popculture/academics and then they go all kill crazed. The action is by then between Oprah and the truly nuts splinter of the Islamic crowd.

In geopolitical terms, a sideshow.

No big deal. If POTUS goes flat out Jay Bullworth someday, as he has been threatening, he will explain it all.

On the other hand, I think we need to get truly multicultural and send a few hundred million folks to paradise but what do I know. Read history. Empires work best when they are very martyr and saint creating.

IlikedAUH2O on May 23, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The soldiers refused to be demoralized.

Woolwich attack: soldiers take to Twitter to post pictures of themselves in uniform

Defiant soldiers and their families have taken to social media to post pictures of themselves in uniform following official guidance not to venture off-base in their fatigues in the wake of the Woolwich machete attack.

Both current and former servicemen and women, as well as their families, have changed their profile pictures on sites like Facebook and Twitter showing themselves in their full uniform, using the hashtag #WearWithPride, in protest at the advice….

Former soldier Glenn Rees, of Maesteg in Wales, was among those who posted a picture of himself, labelling the decision “ridiculous” and accusing the government of “backing down.”

Posting on Facebook, he said: “The Government’s decision to ban military personnel wearing uniform in public whilst investigations are being carried out is ridiculous! Backing down already! Been out of the Forces for 3 years to the day … Least I could do for this innocent soldier and his family. Brothers Unite!!”

Lisa Walker changed her profile picture to show her husband Anthony in fatigues, taken in 2006, posting: “I will keep this pic of my hubby in uniform up as a mark of respect to the young soldier lost his life yesterday n all of our hero’s [sic]”…

The “advice” has been rescinded.

INC on May 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Oh THEY HATE WESTERN VETERAN SUPPORT GROUPS!

Brits should know that. Intel does.

IlikedAUH2O on May 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Time to admit it: Cameron is just plain weak. And the Tories are going to get their behinds kicked in the next election.

Robert_Paulson on May 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I’m sorry to see this awful crap happening in my former home, but have to say that when you allow the members of a 6th century death cult to trample unfettered over your culture because you’re afraid that if you try to stop them they’ll behave like…well, members of a 6th century death cult, then things like this will keep happening.

God Bless you Drummer Rigby. Thank you for your service. Salute.

Trafalgar on May 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

So there were no men among the bystanders?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

In 1973 I came through LAX. One of the hippies got a little close and I decked him. Of course the police put me in cuffs . After we got into the car, they took the cuffs off of me and asked when my flight out was leaving.
I had about a 2 hour layover, so they took me to a nearby bar and bought all I could drink for 2 hours, brought me back to the terminal in time to catch my flight.

Hats off to the LAPD.

1sttofight on May 23, 2013 at 3:06 PM

This is reminiscent of the atmosphere in Britain before WWII:

“In 1933 “The King and Country” debate took place at the Oxford Union debating society on 9 February 1933. The motion, “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country,” was carried by 275 votes to 153.It is one of the most famous and notorious debates conducted at the Oxford Union.”

wraithby on May 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The price of diversity and importing third world trash…America is paying that price every day.

Why not have the British troops carry automatic weapons and travel in pairs instead of wearing disguises?

cajunpatriot on May 23, 2013 at 3:12 PM

The military is hiding…IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?! (Facepalm)

easyt65 on May 23, 2013 at 3:15 PM

More lone wolves are involved, naturally.

Opinionator on May 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Prayers for the Rigby family, and well wishes and thanks for his service.

Midas on May 23, 2013 at 3:20 PM

In 1973 I came through LAX. One of the hippies got a little close and I decked him. Of course the police put me in cuffs . After we got into the car, they took the cuffs off of me and asked when my flight out was leaving.
I had about a 2 hour layover, so they took me to a nearby bar and bought all I could drink for 2 hours, brought me back to the terminal in time to catch my flight.

Hats off to the LAPD.

1sttofight on May 23, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Good on ya. :)

Midas on May 23, 2013 at 3:21 PM

It was only in the initial stages and has been overturned when more information came in to assess whether this was a campaign

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329682/Ban-soldiers-wearing-uniforms-public-lifted-concern-sent-message-terrorists-winning.html?ico=home%5Eheadlines

Boston was completely shut down after the Bombing and people couldn’t leave their houses.
Was that giving in to terrorist’s

mags on May 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM

in late 80′s in germany we had similar orders due to the turks (muslims) knifing soldiers.

dmacleo on May 23, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Islam will eventually be driven back, and made illicit in the west.

However, because this kind of thing is not dreadful enough to serve as the tipping point, one must shudder to think how bad the tipping point is going to be.

Akzed on May 23, 2013 at 3:23 PM

many of these drug addled lunatics are now in the House and Senate…and as aids to the WH….they are called neo-Democrats.

norm1111 on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

… and are college professors, administrators, etc.

*sigh*

Midas on May 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Defence sources said the order had been given that uniform should not be worn by those travelling alone, or on public transport as a “common sense precaution” immediately after the killing

The UK military is now trying to hide from it’s own people!

The British need to consider deportating those that choose to live EXCLUSIVELY under Islam. Make no further mistakes, Islam is a religous political belief system that calls for the EXTERMINATION of its enemies on both individual and governmental levels.

Freddy on May 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Boston was completely shut down after the Bombing and people couldn’t leave their houses.
Was that giving in to terrorist’s

mags on May 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yes it was.

Freddy on May 23, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Well, has anyone checked the….drumroll….movie listings?

Quick, get MI6 and the CIA to do an ad buy with an apology for that inflammatory shirt!

IlikedAUH2O on May 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM

wraithby on May 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

I was thinking about that earlier.

But then I went on to think that after WWI, the British government dumped most of their guns in the Channel and disarmed the population to a significant degree. So, about 20 years later, fearing a German invasion, they begged the US for arms. Millions of US citizens donated their personal long guns to the British civilian war effort. Those arms were thankfully not required, in great part due to American labor, sweat and blood. So, less than 10 years later the British government started dumping almost all of those guns into the Channel as well. Within 20 years they again became serious about seizing essentially all civilian weapons and in less than another 20 they did and destroyed their arms yet again.

England has thrice in less than a century disarmed its people with majority population support. The people are as foolish as the politicians. While attacks such as these infuriate and sadden me, my left-brain sees them as a naturally following consequence.

deepdiver on May 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

This makes me want to vomit.

blink on May 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM

You and me both blink, you and me both. I hope we can recover but I have my doubts. I look at what we have in Washington and where they came from and find it….unsettling to say the least.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM

So there were no men among the bystanders?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I’m sure there were, and England being England, I’m equally sure they were unarmed. Hell, the first police to arrive on scene were unarmed, and had to wait around for the armed contingent to eventually show up before they could confront these animals.

CaptFlood on May 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM

mags on May 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Not sure why you brought that up but if you had been paying attention to the response of commenters on Hot Air there was equal outrage over that.

AZgranny on May 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

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Resist We Much on May 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

The Brits have been pretty spineless for a long time. When they were down in Basra, they had a “live and let live” policy – which Al Qaeda and the Iranians took advantage of by rolling vehicle borne IEDs into their slow moving, non shooting convoys (plenty of video of those attacks if one cares to look). When we (US troops) had to drive with them, they’d say things like “you guys can use your own ROE and engage how you like, we can’t shoot.”

What’s even more irksome than that was that the Brits were sitting on the primary route into Iraq (direct to Baghdad) – and never stopped a single thing from going through the border, north, into Baghdad and on to blow up or kill our troops. So a bunch of Brits standing around and watching a soldier get murdered isn’t much different in my mind than a bunch of Brits driving around in slow convoys, watching IEDs blow up their mates. I don’t know what special occaision Michael Yon managed to stumble into with his British embeds – where they actually did something – but I expect it was only for show, because they surely accomplished not a damn thing in Basra.

John_G on May 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Boston was completely shut down after the Bombing and people couldn’t leave their houses.
Was that giving in to terrorist’s

mags on May 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yes it was.

Freddy on May 23, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I agree. Having lived through the beltway sniper spree I can tell you that we didn’t shut down. People were a little more cautious but all in all things went on as normal. A friend and I had lunch in a restaurant a day after the shooting at the local Michaels and watched the forensic team out the window as we ate lunch.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Make no further mistakes, Islam is a religous political belief system that calls for the EXTERMINATION of its enemies on both individual and governmental levels.

Freddy on May 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Yes. Islam is diametrical to every belief this country was founded on. They cannot take an oath of allegiance to The Constitution truthfully. And yet we allow them in the country… in our military … in our GOVERNMENT!

itsacookbook on May 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM

So there were no men among the bystanders?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Well there was apparently one person with a set of balls there but it wasn’t a man.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Hard to imagine a more demoralizing order for a soldier than to tell him to take off the uniform and hide

Allah…

it happened here..

In 1980, just after Desert One when I began my basic training at Lackland AFB.. The Carter Defense Sec. issued a policy statement to all the US military. We were “advised” to no longer fly home on leave, or to a duty station while in uniform… while not forbidden, they made it clear they considered it a provocation against the rabid anti-war protesters still populating US airports..

They were afraid we’re be making the college leftists, and newly pardoned Canadian deserters angry by wearing a uniform we sweated blood for to earn as volunteers in America’s all volunteer military. It was a major topic in the barracks.. and we learned how to hate Carter over it, as well as his other brain f*rts regarding us in the ranks.. we were the dregs according to the left, rednecks, burnouts, psychopaths..

at least in my unit, to a man, we refused to follow that advisory..

But it cut us to the bone..

Be ashamed was the message they sent to us.

To this day, I loathe Carter with every fiber of my being,.. and that’s why so many vets who served under Carter, then a real president, Ronald Reagan, have such a low opinion of Carter, and such a glowing one of Ron.. his first DOD advisory was to rescind the Carter one.

It did happen here, I’m just amazed Obama hasn’t pulled that one yet.

mark81150 on May 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM

So there were no men among the bystanders?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Well there was apparently one person with a set of balls there but it wasn’t a man.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM

That was my thought.. he was a thug punk who had to run the man down with a car, before cowardly slashing him..

I doubt there’s a man here who wouldn’t have gone for blood, gun or not. Unca Sam teaches mean things to do with your hands.

mark81150 on May 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Now, the British government is saying that they had had these two their radar for…you know…radical Muslim rhetoric. You think they may have threatened to behead someone..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Time to admit it: Cameron is just plain weak. And the Tories are going to get their behinds kicked in the next election.

Robert_Paulson on May 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Only this time it will be at the hands of UKIP instead of Labour. Cameron has been almost as awful as Gordon Brown and that is saying a lot. Also, a prominent official in Labour has recently admitted that they have been actively importing, for votes, just the kind of 3rd world dirtbags that committed this atrocity.

stout77 on May 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM

A lingering mystery: Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act? By some accounts, it took 20 minutes for the cops to get there. The terrorists took time to chat with people nearby. Unless I missed something, no one laid a hand on them until they were eventually shot by police. Is that the Kitty Genovese syndrome at work or something worse?

There’s no mystery here – the populace is completely unarmed on orders of the government, while the Islamokazis not only were armed with knives but also all-too-willing to use them.

Steve Eggleston on May 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Time to admit it: Cameron is just plain weak. And the Tories are going to get their behinds kicked in the next election.

Robert_Paulson on May 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I don’t call Cameron “Muffin” for nothing.

Resist We Much on May 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

There’s no mystery here – the populace is completely unarmed on orders of the government, while the Islamokazis not only were armed with knives but also all-too-willing to use them.

Steve Eggleston on May 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I think one of the scumbags had a gun too.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Not wearing your uniform when out in public off duty is a fairly standard precaution when you’re in hostile territories where terrorists are active. Pretty bad, though, to have to take the precaution in your own country, but apparently terrorists are pretty bad there.

The real problem, to me, is if that’s all you do. They need to make it easier for soldiers to defend themselves if confronted by terrorists.

Arming them would be a good start. It would also have the fringe benefit of really annoying Piers Morgan.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM

There’s information floating around today about one of the attackers, if you care. I don’t. The story’s familiar enough: He’s homegrown, had friends, became radicalized at some point, was acquainted with other cretinous radicals, and evidently turned up on some British intelligence list before slipping through the cracks.

Here let me translate:

(1) A man born in Britain who converted to Islam
(2) A man who converted to Islam who then practiced it in the traditional way and took the practice of Islam seriously.

It was not radical. I am tired of hearing that word. They were practicing Islam as it was practiced for over a thousand years when dealing with disputes between Muslims and Infidels. Of course not all people who proclaim themselves to be Muslim take Islam in a serious or a traditional way. In fact they might be a majority in Britain, but at least a large minority of Muslims in Britain do practice Islam in a traditional manner.

Just look at the polls:

NOP Research Poll: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed

CM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam

In other words, it is not a small minority. With differences in civilizations such as this it is only a matter of time violence will occur. It is not radical however if you look at the Islamic world in general.

William Eaton on May 23, 2013 at 4:50 PM

British troops told not to wear uniforms outside bases after yesterday’s attack in London

Of all the chicken sh– directives I have ever heard this one is Grand Champion. 1 It means uniformed troops are unsafe IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY! 2 It means the troops will NOT be armed and FIGHT BACK if attacked. 3 It is a PC olive branch offered to fanatics who neither understand nor respect conciliation. 4 Moreover it shows these fanatics that the UK is a yellow-bellied, spineless pussy deserving of more intense and frequent terrorism.–

MaiDee on May 23, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Not wearing your uniform when out in public off duty is a fairly standard precaution when you’re in hostile territories where terrorists are active. Pretty bad, though, to have to take the precaution in your own country, but apparently terrorists are pretty bad there.

It really hasn’t been their “own country” for years. Little by little, the immigrants and their abettors in government have been taking it from them. And the “natives” have been made too docile to resist and take it back.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Arming them would be a good start. It would also have the fringe benefit of really annoying Piers Morgan.

A problem with arming them is they might decide a new government might be necessary, one that actually looks after the best interests of its citizens, not those of relocated culturally backwards immigrants, and remove the existing government by force.

That possibility just doesn’t set well with the Leftists in charge ofgovernment.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Hmmm..sounds like us (old soldiers) in 1970 and 71 at some airports here in the U.S. Many, including me, would run to the closest restroom and get out of uniform. We were obviously not concerned about matchete wielding lunatics, but we were concerned about bags of dog crap and uber insults launched our way…from drug addled lunatics here in America.

norm1111 on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Yeah and the people throwing this filth now have titles after their names D-Wisconsin, D-New York, D-Illinois, D-Mass, D-Calif.

MaiDee on May 23, 2013 at 5:00 PM

In Great Britain machettes are just fine, but guns are BAD!!!!!!

SC.Charlie on May 23, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I’ve spent many vacations in Britain since 1970, and have always been annoyed to hear people talk about how morally superior their culture is because their police carry batons, not guns. “Bobbies on bicycles, two by two…”

Well, guess what — your citizens want an effective law enforcement system that knows how to stop today’s criminals in their tracks. My friends over there tell me that they are tired of the bad guys getting all the breaks, while citizens are penalized for defending their lives and property.

The days of bowler hats, Mary Poppins, and scones in the castle’s tea shop are quickly disappearing.

Peruse a copy of British Heritage magazine, and then go spend an evening near the city center of any British city, and you’ll see how great that change is.

KyMouse on May 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM

It really hasn’t been their “own country” for years. Little by little, the immigrants and their abettors in government have been taking it from them. And the “natives” have been made too docile to resist and take it back.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Sort of like what’s happening here?

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 5:29 PM

KyMouse on May 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Me too. It is so bad that I’m thinking of going to France next.

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Former British London Scottish Regiment member Claude Rains, who was gassed by the Germans in WW1, is spinning in his grave.

Del Dolemonte on May 23, 2013 at 5:43 PM

@#$%& it!

When your military personnel can’t protect themselves, and your police are impotent … you have slipped into the status of a barbarian state.

This &*%$ is why we have a 2nd Amendment here.

krome on May 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Sort of like what’s happening here?

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 5:29 PM

‘xactly, mi amigo.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 6:24 PM

have always been annoyed to hear people talk about how morally superior their culture is because their police carry batons, not guns. “Bobbies on bicycles, two by two…”

That worked a bit better when there was generally of a generally polite and peaceful single culture with no myriad of backwards turd world degenerates invited in to muddy the cultural waters and forcing the locals to remain polite and peaceful in return.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM

How about letting soldiers carry their weapons when they leave base since the streets have become a Islamic Jihadi war zone.

paulus1 on May 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM

This.

Yakko77 on May 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM

When your military personnel can’t protect themselves, and your police are impotent … you have slipped into the status of a barbarian state.

This &*%$ is why we have a 2nd Amendment here.

krome on May 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM

And, yet here, in many places you are forcefully discouraged from applying your 2nd Amendment rights at times and we too are slipping into a barbarous state overall, as witnessed in several communities already.

Its all planned to go that way.

hawkeye54 on May 23, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Brits ruled the world for over 150 years – 1760-1910 or thereabouts. They ruled b/c they had standards, their military was strong and they believed in the Rule of Law. Since they’ve been getting the 3rd world immigrants, they’ve begun to ignore the Rule of Law. Pitiful. It was 1066 when British citizens first pushed back against tyrannical rulers and passed their first law for “equality under the law” – that is kings and serfs would be handled the same in their courts.

Today – they split who has to oven _____ law – it’s killing them. Add to this the removal of private firearms from citizens, pathetic.

I don’t know how a nation reverts to self-reliance after becoming so passive. British spunk? British backbone – gone, gone, gone and the world is worse for it.

MN J on May 23, 2013 at 7:42 PM

The same is happening in the western suburbs of Sydney. Soon a non muslim won’t be able to walk some streets.

Today Britain and Europe. Tomorrow the US and Australia?

Crux Australis on May 23, 2013 at 8:20 PM

If you want to know why we have the Second Amendment in the United States, now you know ONE of the reasons.

Never trust any government to provide for your welfare. The Framers understood this.

victor82 on May 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM

What have the Brits turned into — bystanders and p***ies. Just sickening.

That soldier deserved the protection of his fellow countrymen. They just looked on. Disgusting.

Conservchik on May 23, 2013 at 8:43 PM

God bless the Second Amendment and the right of self-defense.

Conservchik on May 23, 2013 at 8:44 PM

How about letting soldiers carry their weapons when they leave base since the streets have become a Islamic Jihadi war zone.

paulus1 on May 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Hell, I wish soldiers could carry their weapons in dangerous Democrat cities which are war zones between groups of worthless punks. It would both contribute to order as well as warn businesses and lawful citizens that this was not a place to be.

MelonCollie on May 23, 2013 at 10:52 PM

If you want to know why we have the Second Amendment in the United States, now you know ONE of the reasons.

Never trust any government to provide for your welfare. The Framers understood this.

victor82 on May 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM

You would be surprised how many nations agree with you and envy us.

BTW, I did not mean to suggest killing hundreds of millions of Muslims earlier. With Israel as a guide, we are apparently in for a long bloodletting.

However, like the rest of you, I am brainwashed and very happy to leave countless millions of Americans in poverty while we spend treasure on DHS, TSA, million dollar drones and shutting down Boston to deal with crazed people.

Why should we ever pressure other Muslims or use other means to make them behave like civilized, sane people?

IlikedAUH2O on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Cameron: “We will not buckle.”

But just say quiet, don’t antagonize them with a uniform!

PattyJ on May 24, 2013 at 12:41 AM

You invite in your sworn enemies -who have been waging War against you for 1350 years-and expect anything else?

Insanity.

Hallmark of the Progressive West.

profitsbeard on May 24, 2013 at 1:55 AM

It is shocking how cowed we’ve become. Can you honestly say your home town would behave any differently?

I live in Los Angeles. We have about 400 murders a year. I don’t think our gun ownership is lower then most big cities. I don’t know what would happen if someone just sliced someone up on the sidewalk. I’ve never seen or heard anything like this happening before. LA is known for its robust police responses. We invented the SWAT team. Which is a quasi military police unit that is more about shooting bad guys then anything else. But our actual people? I’d be lying if I said I knew how they’d respond.

The small business owners that are prone to robbery are frequently armed. Rob the wrong convenience or taco shop and you’ll get a shotgun pointed in your face. But the average guy on the street?

In part, I think we’re just not used to physical confrontations. We don’t fight each other that way. We yell. We sue each other in the courts. We scheme against each other. We lie. THAT is the sort of violence we tend to commit against each other. Actually hitting someone? Shooting someone? Knives? It just doesn’t happen. Now, again… for some it does happen. The guys in SWAT and the guys that get their stores violated with some frequency will respond with deadly force. But the average guy on the street? I believe most would run away while calling 911.

Is that wrong? I’m struggling to see why I should personally stop these guys. I mean, if they were actively attacking someone then that might be one thing. But if they’re just walking around intimidating people then I don’t see why there should be any action given that the police will be there shortly and at that point the terrorists are screwed.

Karmashock on May 24, 2013 at 4:14 AM

It does not make soldiers or anyone in the West safer by whitewashing the nature of Islam with the standard Quran 5:32-33 distortion lie that always pops up after every Islamic terror attack:
http://bit.ly/189BguV

Chessplayer on May 24, 2013 at 6:02 AM

“Don’t worry fellow Eloi, they have taken the one they want – it is all clear!”

Ukiah on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

In actual fact the no uniform rule was established as a result of IRA attacks on soldiers. Remember the IRA? Irish terrorists who killed police and soldiers and blew up civilians (including women and children) with car bombs in streets…..Don’t recall much sympathy from the USA then…..in fact a lot of Americans collected money for the IRA.
Strange how US attitude towards terrorist attacks changed after 9/11

callingallcomets on May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Glenn Beck said it best today when he pointed out the world is being run by ‘wusses’. Not 1 nation has had the b@LLs to call the beheading of a Brit by these 2 Muslims what it was – TERRORISM…even though they spelled it out in their INTERVIEW afterwards! And now the PM is actually going to tell his nation’s military that they can’t wear their uniforms IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?! For you, my UK friends, you have just lost this WAR & forfeited your nation because your PM just surrendered to Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, & the rest of the Islamic Exremists!

Here’s a thought — Rather than try to appease the terrorists & Muslim Extremists that are now in your nation & rather than try to keep your troops safe by telling them not to wear their uniforms in their own country…..tell them to wear their uniforms proudly & issue them sidearms/weapons so they can defend themselves & start ridding your nation of the terrorists you have allowed to infiltrate your nation & stay!

easyt65 on May 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

UK intelligence agency MI5 offered job to London jihad murderer

Why not? Like all Muslims as far as Western authorities are concerned, Adebolajo was a moderate who abhorred jihad terror — right up until the moment he sank his meat cleaver in Lee Rigby’s neck. This is yet another example of how the Western willful blindness about Islam and jihad leads to disastrous errors, large and small.

Maj. Nidal Hasan would have considered a “moderate” Muslim also.

Chessplayer on May 25, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Hard to believe but
“The BBC’s political editor, Nick Robinson, has apologised after he quoted a source who apparently described the Woolwich attackers as being “of Muslim appearance”.

Brits have to apologize for just quoting someone saying a murderous Muslim terrorist looked like he was a Muslim. The Brits are hopeless.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-bbc-nick-robinson-muslim

Chessplayer on May 25, 2013 at 11:52 AM

News reports in the US are still talking about the 15-minutes-of-fame video savage as a “suspect”, and the leadership advice about going out of uniform is being ignored. So the media and politicians fall squarely on the wrong side of the issue again.

The UK also seem to have a knife fetish. If they had a written Constitution it would be their second amendment. Hard to believe that no bystander there had any weapon. Unlike the savages, they were following orders and waiting for the “authorities” to respond. And when the “suspects” were shot by so-called marksmen, they survived.

There are a lot of questions about how this situation developed and what the security response was. Muslim fascists got a twofer here: he was a Christian, converted to Islam and killed another infidel – no net loss to them and lots of great publicity – which for terrorists is their only effective weapon.

virgo on May 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Here’s an idea—instead of cowering and demanding the soldiers de-uniform, demand they only go out in uniform, and ARMED too!

Dougger on May 26, 2013 at 10:14 PM

As a Soldier I think NOT wearing the uniform would be a victory for the Terrorist. I wore mine on public transportation in Oakland and Berkley California in 1969 & 1970. I had a few comments at first, but the antiwar crowd sort of accepted I was there to stay and I really had no trouble. To ask a Soldier to hide the fact he is a Soldier would be as insult

old war horse on May 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM

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