Boehner: “Inconceivable” that Obama didn’t know about IRS abuse

posted at 12:01 pm on May 23, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier this morning I questioned the new spin out of the White House that Kathryn Ruemmler would have informed Barack Obama’s chief of staff Denis McDonough and a number of other senior staffers in Obama’s inner circle of the IRS abuse and corruption about to blow up in an IG report, and somehow that news never got to the President himself.  House Speaker John Boehner also is having trouble swallowing that explanation.  In an interview last night with Greta van Susteren, Boehner called it “inconceivable” that so many people knew about the practice and the probe, and yet Obama remained entirely ignorant of it until watching the news:

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday said he believed it was “inconceivable” that President Obama did not learn sooner about the Internal Revenue Service’s political targeting of Tea Party groups.

“It’s pretty inconceivable to me that the president wouldn’t know,” Boehner told Fox News’s Greta Van Susteren. “I’m just putting myself in his shoes. I deal with my senior staff every day. And if the White House had known about this, which now it appears they’ve known about it for about a year, it’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t have come up in some conversation.” …

Boehner said top officials may have “attempted to insulate the president from this news.”

“But with as many people that were involved in the audit, the number of people involved in the investigation, somebody — and the number of people in the White House that knew — it really is inconceivable that he wouldn’t have known about it,” he added.

Here’s another question about the “insulation” theory — why use it at all?  Why not let Obama get ahead of the curve by announcing that his administration had uncovered the abuse, and that Obama personally would clean house to put a stop to it?  After all, as testimony yesterday from Douglas Schulman showed, IRS executives were independently aware of the abuse separately from the IG investigation, as far back as 2011.  Obama could have called Schulman and Steve Miller on the carpet and twisted some arms to get public statements of culpability and taken action against other IRS officials, or at least tried to do so.

John Fund argues that the IRS abuse might have been a deliberate voter-suppression tactic, which would have made that an awkward response:

But it now turns out there may have suppression of the vote after all. “It looks like a lot of tea-party groups were less active or never got off the ground because of the IRS actions,” Wisconsin governor Scott Walker told me. “Sure seems like people were discouraged by it.”

Indeed, several conservative groups I talked with said they were directly impacted by having their non-profit status delayed by either IRS inaction or burdensome and intrusive questioning. At least two donors told me they didn’t contribute to True the Vote, a group formed to combat voter fraud, because after three years of waiting the group still didn’t have its status granted at the time of the 2012 election. (While many of the targeted tea-party groups were seeking to become 501(c)(4)s, donations to which are not tax-deductible, True the Vote sought to become a 501(c)(3).) This week, True the Vote sued the IRS in federal court, asking a judge to enjoin the agency from targeting anyone in the future. …

It won’t be easy to discover whether the “voter suppression” engaged in by the IRS was malicious and political. But we have to make every effort to find out before the American people start losing confidence in the integrity of our elections.

Perhaps, although it will take more evidence to make that case.  What we know now is that the White House’s rapidly-changing explanations of who knew what and when don’t make much sense, and that the more we press the more changes we keep hearing.  That tells us something about the honesty of the administration, and that might tell us about the motives, too.

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Bishop?

either orr on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Special prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

You keep using that word.

For once, it might mean exactly what you think it means.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

And yet you will somehow manage to NOT make the point that he’s either
1) entirely aware, which is a disgrace, or
2) entirely unaware, which is also a disgrace.

rogerb on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

A two-bit community organizer from Chicago with zero governance skills is serving a 2nd term as President of the United States.

This is unconceivable.

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

For god’s sake, the head of the IRS met with the white house 108 time. The head of the IRS Union met with the POTUS the day before targeting began. Who gives a rats behind about who knew what sometime this spring? That isn’t the issue. The issue is who was in on the origination and development of the program.

oldroy on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

ROTFLMAO!

ElectricPhase on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Special prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

this

cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

That tells us something about the honesty of the administration, and that might tell us about the motives, too.

We aren’t sure about the motives? Ed, c’mon brother, I’m all for not jumping to conclusions but what other reason could there be other than the obvious?

VegasRick on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

What’s sad is I didn’t read any of this. All I did was sit at my desk and think about how Wallace Shawn would be an infinitely better Speaker of the House….

PetecminMd on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

John Fund argues that the IRS abuse might have been a deliberate voter-suppression tactic, which would have made that an awkward response

Duh! Why did Obama and the Dems get their asses handed to them in 2010? Because the Republican base(backed primarily by the Tea Party) was energized and mobilized and got to the polls. Why did Romney and the GOP underperform badly in 2012? Because the Republican base(including the Tea Party) was unmotivated and disinterested and failed to show up to vote in the numbers everyone was anticipating. And while some of the blame rests on the shoulders of the Romney campaign and the RNC, it’s becoming painfully clear that there were other factors involved, namely illegal tactics like the targeting of conservatives by the IRS.

Doughboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

we need to re-elect the president…everything else be damned!
-libs

cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Boehner called it “inconceivable” …

You asked for it…

Seven Percent Solution on May 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM

“…believed it was “inconceivable”

No, it is inconceivable that anyone would even postulate that it is inconceivable. It is absolute and obvious, no conceiving required.

Tsar of Earth on May 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM

It isn’t inconceivable… Even Benjamin Ghazi wasn’t aware of it until the secret “deep background” meeting with the national “Press”.

equanimous on May 23, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Anyone else smell that, corruption – it’s what’s for breakfast.

D-fusit on May 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So great, it’s ‘inconceivable’. What are you going to do about it? Pass amnesty for criminal aliens probably.

Fenris on May 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Voter suppression for me but not for thee!

geojed on May 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Candidate Romney was threatened by Harry Reid with his tax records. How did that info pass to the highest ranking member of the Senate. Now ask yourself…..was this political?

skeeterbite on May 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Finally. Connecting the dots.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Anyone else smell that, corruption – it’s what’s for breakfast.

D-fusit on May 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

It’s been for every meal for four long long long years.

And will be on the menu forever, unless we get the media to actually tell people about it.

I have not seen anyone cover the Congress Woman who said it was Goliath turning against the people who hired him.

That was the kind of thing the low information voters would respond to!

Talk down to people, make it very simple and get the message out there for once please!!!!!

petunia on May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM

John Fund argues that the IRS abuse might have been a deliberate voter-suppression tactic, which would have made that an awkward response…

Ya think?

The presidential election of 2012 was stolen.

slickwillie2001 on May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The Smartest President in The World doesn’t know anything. President Sergeant Schultz.

JimK on May 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

In the Soviet Union, many of the cattle simply refused to believe that Stalin could massacre millions and send more millions to die in the Gulags.

Part of Utopia – and its bureaucracy – is the planned insulation of the Communist elites.

I fear that, as happened in the Soviet Union, the majority of American Holstein will simply refuse to believe that the Community Organizer had any knowledge or involvement in the planned persecution of political opponents – which is a hallmark of Statism.

These are tyrants-in-waiting.

Will the majority even give a shit?

OhEssYouCowboys on May 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

President Badass…”

Tenwheeler on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Don’t worry. Next, Boehner will scold him while they’re on the golf course together.

kingsjester on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Here’s another question about the “insulation” theory — why use it at all? Why not let Obama get ahead of the curve by announcing that his administration had uncovered the abuse, and that Obama personally would clean house to put a stop to it?

Surely you jest AP. That would imply that this wasn’t an intentional strategy all along. Only problem for them is they got busted.

can_con on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

The Smartest President in The World doesn’t know anything. President Sergeant Schultz.

JimK on May 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I was taking a sip of coffee, when I read this. Luckily, I was just able to suppress spewing it all over my monitor.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

So, what are you going to do about it, sunshine? WELL?

kim roy on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

In the voice of McCain:

We are all Georgians Truthers now.

lol, I guess the foil hat wearers were on to something.

abobo on May 23, 2013 at 12:20 PM

so white house senior staff knew but didnt tell 0bama? thats the new version? not only should 0bama being firing IRS staff he should be firing his own staff. if your people hide this kind of important info from you they are doing more to hurt than to help. that fact no wh staffers have been replaced shows how transparent this lie is.

chasdal on May 23, 2013 at 12:20 PM

You keep using that word.

For once, it might mean exactly what you think it means.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

THREAD WINNER!!

Ed: PLEASE add a photo of the Sicilian mastermind in the movie “The Princess Bride.”

You CANNOT have a post about “inconceivable” without it now or in the future…

Khun Joe on May 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Doughboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Oh, I’d say suppressing some 500 grassroots GOTV groups would tip an election.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Khun Joe on May 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Seconded!!

abobo on May 23, 2013 at 12:23 PM

It won’t be easy to discover whether the “voter suppression” engaged in by the IRS was malicious and political.

Anyone who has even the slightest doubt as to the answer to that question is so naive they should not be left alone with children or sharp objects.

tommyboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Surely you jest AP ED. That would imply that this wasn’t an intentional strategy all along. Only problem for them is they got busted.

can_con on May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

His snark is a contagion.

can_con on May 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM

It won’t be easy to discover whether the “voter suppression” engaged in by the IRS was malicious and political.

Anyone who has even the slightest doubt as to the answer to that question is so naive they should not be left alone with children or sharp objects.

tommyboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Or they were educated at Harvard.

kirkill on May 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Special prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

FWIW, Andrew McCarthy has argued against a Special Prosecutor because:

1. A SP would be appointed by Holder
2. The story would be buried for months if not years
3. The ARB on Benghazi was a SP like board. How’d that work out?

esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution on May 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM

i was expecting Ed to have that at the bottom of the post

:)

cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM

A two-bit community organizer from Chicago with zero governance skills is serving a 2nd term as President of the United States.

This is unconceivable.

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Yup.

petefrt on May 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Special prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Only if his name is Torquemada.

CurtZHP on May 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM

In other news … “Irrelevant GOP Leader makes irrelevant harshly worded statement.”

HondaV65 on May 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM

A two-bit community organizer

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

This two-bit community organizer instructed the IRS to stop communities from organizing against him.

John the Libertarian on May 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The Smartest President in The World doesn’t know anything. President Sergeant Schultz.

JimK on May 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

And his Sidekick, Hopalong Milksop (Carney)

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I’m going with a couple of truisms here.

1. Managers (and the president is supposed to be a manager) don’t like “surprises”.

and

2. Chaos is a tool.

Of course he knew. The question is, what are we going to do about it?

itsacookbook on May 23, 2013 at 12:34 PM

And while some of the blame rests on the shoulders of the Romney campaign and the RNC, it’s becoming painfully clear that there were other factors involved, namely illegal tactics like the targeting of conservatives by the IRS.

Doughboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

..it seems that our by, the slime-bag POTUS, benefitted from two “perfect storms” – one wrought of the intense dislike of the previous administration (2008) and the other of his own wroughting plus the ineptitude of the GOP (2012).

The War Planner on May 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Earlier this morning I questioned the new spin out of the White House that Kathryn Ruemmler would have informed Barack Obama’s chief of staff Denis McDonough and a number of other senior staffers in Obama’s inner circle of the IRS abuse and corruption about to blow up in an IG report, and somehow that news never got to the President himself.

There is a passage from Mario Puzo’s The Godfather (it never quite made it into the film) about the importance of a Consigliere. Anything you hear from the Consigliere, you can assume that you are hearing it from the boss. It allows a buffer between the orders and the actions.

And if all else goes wrong, the Consigliere can disappear, and with him, all the secrets.

Valerie Jarrett, have you enjoyed your time as Consigliere? I hope so…

JohnGalt23 on May 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Here’s another question about the “insulation” theory — why use it at all? Why not let Obama get ahead of the curve by announcing that his administration had uncovered the abuse, and that Obama personally would clean house to put a stop to it?

Why assume that Obama would put a stop to it if he found out about it? That is assuming also that he didn’t instigate it in the first place.

Our side (Ed, other writers/commenters, high ranking Republicans, etc) keeps giving that SOB the benefit of the doubt. He has consistently p1ssed down our legs and told us it is raining.

When will someone say “He did it. He did it. The underlings had to carry it out, but he thought it up, he instigated it, and he is the one who should go down for it.”

By assuming that “once he knew about it, he would stop it” is stupid and entirely out of his character. He revels in corruption.

cptacek on May 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

by==boy, of course.

The War Planner on May 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

We really do need to see Obama’s college transcripts, he clearly isn’t as smart as we were told if we are to believe he knew nothing.

Tater Salad on May 23, 2013 at 12:41 PM

In other news … “Irrelevant GOP Leader makes irrelevant harshly worded statement.”

HondaV65 on May 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Oh look! It’s the Obama Voter. Are you enjoying this? You voted for it.

kim roy on May 23, 2013 at 12:41 PM

For god’s sake, the head of the IRS met with the white house 108 time. The head of the IRS Union met with the POTUS the day before targeting began. Who gives a rats behind about who knew what sometime this spring? That isn’t the issue. The issue is who was in on the origination and development of the program.

oldroy on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

This! You said it better than me.

cptacek on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I think conservative groups should go “Newtown parent” on Congress. Round up a bunch of victims of Ms. Lerner and the IRS and send them to DC to lobby Congressmen about how their votes were suppressed in 2012. Pack the gallery with them and get them in front of as many cameras as possible. Maybe even conduct a march or candlelight vigil from the Capital to the IRS HQ to mourn the loss of civil rights at the hands of bureaucratic monsters like Lerner and Miller.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

This week, True the Vote sued the IRS in federal court, asking a judge to enjoin the agency from targeting anyone in the future. …

This is good news.

Also, this scandal has been ongoing in the news for 2 weeks now. Have any of those applications that have heretofore been stuck for months/years actually been approved yet? One week longer than this and Obama’s brother’s application was approved.

Let me guess. After this is all settled, there will be not even one more 501c3 Tea Party group.

cptacek on May 23, 2013 at 12:44 PM

28 CFR 600.1 – Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.

§ 600.1 – Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.

The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and—

(a) That investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States Attorney’s Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances; and

(b) That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter.

28 CFR 600.2 – Alternatives available to the Attorney General.

§ 600.2 – Alternatives available to the Attorney General.

When matters are brought to the attention of the Attorney General that might warrant consideration of appointment of a Special Counsel, the Attorney General may:

(a) Appoint a Special Counsel;

(b) Direct that an initial investigation, consisting of such factual inquiry or legal research as the Attorney General deems appropriate, be conducted in order to better inform the decision; or

(c) Conclude that under the circumstances of the matter, the public interest would not be served by removing the investigation from the normal processes of the Department, and that the appropriate component of the Department should handle the matter. If the Attorney General reaches this conclusion, he or she may direct that appropriate steps be taken to mitigate any conflicts of interest, such as recusal of particular officials.

28 CFR 600.3 – Qualifications of the Special Counsel.

§ 600.3 – Qualifications of the Special Counsel.

(a) An individual named as Special Counsel shall be a lawyer with a reputation for integrity and impartial decisionmaking, and with appropriate experience to ensure both that the investigation will be conducted ably, expeditiously and thoroughly, and that investigative and prosecutorial decisions will be supported by an informed understanding of the criminal law and Department of Justice policies. The Special Counsel shall be selected from outside the United States Government. Special Counsels shall agree that their responsibilities as Special Counsel shall take first precedence in their professional lives, and that it may be necessary to devote their full time to the investigation, depending on its complexity and the stage of the investigation.

(b) The Attorney General shall consult with the Assistant Attorney General for Administration to ensure an appropriate method of appointment, and to ensure that a Special Counsel undergoes an appropriate background investigation and a detailed review of ethics and conflicts of interest issues. A Special Counsel shall be appointed as a “confidential employee” as defined in 5 U.S.C. 7511(b)(2)(C).

Resist We Much on May 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM

FWIW, Andrew McCarthy has argued against a Special Prosecutor because:

1. A SP would be appointed by Holder
2. The story would be buried for months if not years
3. The ARB on Benghazi was a SP like board. How’d that work out?

esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM

McCarthy is right on with his analysis. The Dems in the hearing yesterday know exactly what McCarthy knows and that is why they want a SP. Sadly some misinformed R’s are spouting the same thing.

As McCarthy notes:
But special counsels are not independent of the executive branch. They still answer to the attorney general and, ultimately, the president.

Would we want Obama & Holder doing their own investigation of anything? That’s what a SP would do.

bluefox on May 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM

What is “inconceivable” is that The Obutthead Administration, likely with orders from the very top, didn’t instigate this unconstitutional and criminal behavior from the IRS. He knew about it because he asked for it to be done. This “president” is a criminal and must be treated as such.

The libtards are totally ignoring the obvious and spinning into the weeds trying keep their boy king out of trouble. They spout inconsequential minor details that make no difference in an effort to supress the truth. But evidently the truth is negotiable for libtards, taking a cue from their putz leader.

NOMOBO on May 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Obama could have called Schulman and Steve Miller on the carpet and twisted some arms to get public statements of culpability and taken action against other IRS officials, or at least tried to do so.

Maybe he did, and whoever he asked told him to go jump in a lake, because they know he’s a weak-kneed lame duck.

KS Rex on May 23, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Of course it was a voter and donor suppression tactic, as were OSHA visits, EPA actions, DOL audits and so on.

It’s the Chicago Way.

MTF on May 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM

But we have to make every effort to find out before the American people start losing confidence in the integrity of our elections.

Oh, I’m afraid that horse has already left the barn, my friend.

KS Rex on May 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Of course Obama knew what was going on and was probably in on the planning with Rahm. Obama is the center of a cultic pattern and lives his life like a mega-church pastor, surrounded by a tight inner circle. The cult will never abandon him and the Zeitgeist of political correctness will shield him. He will not be impeached, and that should not be the goal. It would bring harm to the conservative party.

The value of the ongoing methodical investigative process now in progress is to expose the corruption, falsehoods and unconstitutional heavy handed tactics of the liberal party in power. The goal should not be to get rid of Obama, but to take control of the government, beginning in 2014.

Jocundus on May 23, 2013 at 1:00 PM

that Obama personally would clean house to put a stop to it

1. That would require Obama actually leading. He can’t.
2. That would require Obama going against the will of a union. He won’t.

VibrioCocci on May 23, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Boehner: “Inconceivable” that Obama didn’t know about IRS abuse

“Inconceivable” that a ‘Speaker’ Pelosi will have the same whimpy response.

Sir Napsalot on May 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM

John Fund argues that the IRS abuse might have been a deliberate voter-suppression tactic, which would have made that an awkward response

Duh! Why did Obama and the Dems get their asses handed to them in 2010? Because the Republican base(backed primarily by the Tea Party) was energized and mobilized and got to the polls. Why did Romney and the GOP underperform badly in 2012? Because the Republican base(including the Tea Party) was unmotivated and disinterested and failed to show up to vote in the numbers everyone was anticipating. And while some of the blame rests on the shoulders of the Romney campaign and the RNC, it’s becoming painfully clear that there were other factors involved, namely illegal tactics like the targeting of conservatives by the IRS.

Doughboy on May 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Well said, Doughboy! Remember, all the misdirection, intimidation, deflection, and OK,lying, is the Chicago way! Obama has to be in this up to his pointy ears!

tomshup on May 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I think it’s time for a vacay. Maybe Him and mcgilla can take another world tour to some 5 star resort with 500 of their closest “friends”.

Nothing like a 10 million dollar trip to make all right with the media.

acyl72 on May 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Gee, Mr. Speaker, it’s good of you to weigh in! Now chug another shot of Ripple and go back to sleep.

cornbred on May 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Just the fact that Shulman made 113 visits to the White House, and testified in front of Congress, it’s hard to believe the subject didn’t come up.

lea on May 23, 2013 at 1:15 PM

It cracks me up how ‘concerned’ Barry was with his legacy, and whether his preezydency will go down in history as Lincolnian, FDR-esque or Reagananesque in terms of achievements…and all he’s got so far is Nixonian lool :)…am sure he thinks of this as inconceivable :)…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Reaganesque that is…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Gee, Mr. Speaker, it’s good of you to weigh in! Now chug another shot of Ripple and go back to sleep.

cornbred on May 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM

That is funny. Ripple was very familiar to me in the early seventies.

arnold ziffel on May 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Any reasonable American should be very frightened about the Gov’t using the IRS against political opponents. My biggest fear is the Gov’t distributing medical care via Obamacare based on political agreements/disagreements. Just wait!

rjoco1 on May 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Boehner: “Inconceivable” that Obama didn’t know about IRS abuse

This is how a politician says he thinks someone is lying ,errr, is being dishonest , ummm, is not being truthful may have forgotten something.

farsighted on May 23, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Special prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Only if his name is Torquemada.

CurtZHP on May 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM

lol

AesopFan on May 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM

I think conservative groups should go “Newtown parent” on Congress. Round up a bunch of victims of Ms. Lerner and the IRS and send them to DC to lobby Congressmen about how their votes were suppressed in 2012. Pack the gallery with them and get them in front of as many cameras as possible. Maybe even conduct a march or candlelight vigil from the Capital to the IRS HQ to mourn the loss of civil rights at the hands of bureaucratic monsters like Lerner and Miller.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Since this is the sort of thing that demonstrably appeals to the LIV, it might actually have some effect
IF
the media deigns to publish the press conferences and marches.
Their track record in that regard is not stellar,and the AP-phone-scandal might not be enough to push them over the line.

AesopFan on May 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Here for my sporadic comment….

I think it is very conceivable that Obama did not know until maybe a few weeks ago. Why? Because I don’t think he cares what the agencies under is “leadership” do on a day-to-day basis. He knows they all march to the same drummer as he does, so he probably feels (with justification) that they will do what he likes without being directed. Had the IG not investigated this and produced the report, Obama could continue to golf in peace.

I think his staff all protect him, in part by keeping him in the dark and Obama isn’t curious enough to ask.

Obama is NOT a manager and never will be. He is not an executive and never will be. He’s makes speeches and thinks everyone will just dance along behind him, merrily jumping of the cliff he leads them toward with his “lofty” rhetoric. He doesn’t make decisions, he waits for the stars to align so he doesn’t need to and knows that his staff will do what he likes without him directing them.

When they do something slimy and underhanded like this, they don’t tell him. They probably don’t tell him much at all.

How many cabinet meetings has he had in his tenure? Few and he probably used the occasion to make another speech.

So yes, it is conceivable for a non-curious, narcissist like Obama to be completely in the dark.

BillyWilly on May 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Who gives a rats behind about who knew what sometime this spring? That isn’t the issue. The issue is who was in on the origination and development of the program.

oldroy on May 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I disagree. They are both issues.

1. Who signed off on this thing, under whose orders?

and

2. When and how was the President involved?

Not only does the public deserve to know the answers to both, but, tactically, you use 1 to get to the answers to 2.

Missy on May 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Sorry, meant to add to my 2:38:

Explained another way, finding out exactly who knew what and when in the administration helps drill down the chain of command to the IRS people who originated the policy and then back up the chain of command to POTUS.

Missy on May 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

OBAMA:
1st said he learned of the IRS Scandal on the news on Friday, 10 May. He later was forced to admit that he was informed by the IG on 22 April that a report on an IG Inspection of the IRS was coming out soon but stated he was not told at that time what the Investigation conducted by the IG involved – NO DETAILS. (The IG had to publish it for him to find out what was in it…) ‘Does not even mention this to his Senior Staff’….

Shulman:
March 2012: Asked by House Ways and Means Oversight Committee Chairman Charles Boustany (R-La.) about extra scrutiny given to conservative groups, Shulman – UNDER OATH – denies the practice was occurring. “I can give you assurances … [t]here is absolutely no targeting,” he said.

May 2012: The inspector general’s office briefs Shulman on agency’s targeting of conservative groups.
118 visits to the WH while the scandal rages… ’does not share the info with Obama…or even MENTIONS IT to him’…

White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler:
24 APR ’13: Knew about the Inspector General investigation weeks before Lois Lerner and IRS Commissioner Steve Miller planted a question at a public event to apologize for its findings AND notified Barack Obama’s chief of staff Denis McDonough. ’does not share the info with Obama…or even MENTIONS IT to him’…

Dennis McDonough, Chief of Staff:
24 April ’13: Was notified by Ruemmler of the scandal…’does not share the info with Obama…or even MENTIONS IT to him’…

Jack Lew, Treasury Secretary
15 MAR ’13: In a meeting with the IRS inspector general, Lew is presented with a list of ongoing investigations, including the probe into whether the agency was unfairly scrutinizing conservative groups. But the inspector general doesn’t share specific details of the audit on conservative groups. ‘He doesn’t tell ANYONE in the WH about this’….

10 MAY ’13: Lew declares he never knew about the scandal until 10 May when, like the President, he saw it in the news….

Neal Wolin, deputy Treasury secretary
4 JUNE ’12: Wolin meets with IRS Inspector General J. Russell George about ongoing audits being pursued by the watchdog office, including the investigation into whether conservative groups were wrongly targeted

15 OCT -12: Former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Wolin are sent a letter from George detailing the “most serious management and performance challenges” the inspector general is investigating. The list does not include the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

MAR ’13: Treasury officials are told of the audit’s initial findings and are provided with an initial draft report. Because the report is not finalized, Wolin is not given a copy of the report.

Christopher J. Meade, Treasury Chief Counsel:
Met with Ruemmler on September 27th, December 11th, and December 13th, 2012, after never having met one-on-one ever before.

easyt65 on May 23, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I think conservative groups should go “Newtown parent” on Congress. Round up a bunch of victims of Ms. Lerner and the IRS and send them to DC to lobby Congressmen about how their votes were suppressed in 2012. Pack the gallery with them and get them in front of as many cameras as possible. Maybe even conduct a march or candlelight vigil from the Capital to the IRS HQ to mourn the loss of civil rights at the hands of bureaucratic monsters like Lerner and Miller.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make any noise?

bofh on May 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

So yes, it is conceivable for a non-curious, narcissist like Obama to be completely in the dark.

BillyWilly on May 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Add unintelligent product of “affirmative action” and I think that you are dead on. The Libs wanted a moron in chief to look good and say pretty things while they solidified their power bases. That is what we have.

Linh_My on May 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM

If Obama knew and didn’t quickly stop it, there is little choice but to impeach.

This cannot stand.

WannabeAnglican on May 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM

So who is this guy Boehner?

SickofLibs on May 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Shouldn’t the affirmative assumption be he knew? How could he not? Just going by Obama’s public demeanor toward those he does not like its hard not to think he put this all into motion himself. Either by word or a wink wink.

Sharr on May 23, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Shouldn’t the affirmative assumption be he knew? How could he not? Just going by Obama’s public demeanor toward those he does not like its hard not to think he put this all into motion himself. Either by word or a wink wink.

Sharr on May 23, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Good points, assuming that he has more intelligence than I give him credit for. My own belief is that we elected a performer as President. Give him his teleprompter and skilled scripting and he does look and somewhat simulate the Job.

I also believe that, if worse comes to worse, the Libs will throw Obama under the bus while screaming that it is all the fault of Bible and Gun clutching . . .

Note, I don’t disagree that Obama agrees with the policies. I just don’t think that he is actually brits enough to be in charge.

Linh_My on May 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Ignorance and Incompetence?

or

Flat out dishonesty?

Which is it?

CW on May 23, 2013 at 7:15 PM