Video: Ft. Hood shooter still drawing salary – $278,000 and counting

posted at 12:01 pm on May 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

There may be a good reason for this, but it’s still an outrage nonetheless, at least in terms of the disparate treatment of Nidal Hasan to his victims. Thanks to the lengthy delay in his court-martial, the Army can’t suspend Hasan’s pay, even though there is no doubt whatsoever that he murdered 14 people in a spree shooting at Fort Hood nearly four years ago. NBC’s Dallas-Ft. Worth affiliate investigates:

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The Army certainly has to apply due process in this case. However, why has nothing proceeded on adjudicating Hasan’s case so that his salary can be cut off and his discharge issued? His court-martial will finally start on May 29th, fourteen months after its first scheduled start date, thanks to a flurry of pre-trial motions that set the schedule back. His defense team tried this month to delay it further, arguing that the Boston Marathon bombing would prejudice the jury, but the judge rejected the motion. The argument is still noteworthy:

1200 WOAI news reports military Judge Col. Tara Osborn has rejected a request from Hasan’s lawyers to delay his court martial in the 2009 Ft. Hood massacre until September. They claimed the fact that Hasan’s name was mentioned in news coverage of the Boston bombing, that would prejudice the military court against him.

“The comparisons (between the Boston bombings and the Ft. Hood case) are striking and troubling,” Lt Col. Kris Poppe, Hasan’s lead defense attorney, told the judge.

Funny, that’s what the Ft. Hood wounded think, too. The real outrage is the refusal of the Army and Obama administration to classify this as either a terrorist attack or combat, which would allow the wounded to receive Purple Hearts and (more importantly) combat-related benefits during their recovery and long-term care. Instead, as has long been noted, the administration classifies the attack as “workplace violence” despite the links between Hasan and now-dead al-Qaeda terrorist leader Anwar al-Awlaki.

That has victims and their families fuming, especially with news that Hasan’s still on the Army payroll:

The Army has not classified the wounds of the Ft. Hood victims as “combat related” and declines to label the shooting a “terrorist attack”,

The “combat related” designation is an important one, for without it Burnett and other shooting victims are not given combat-related pay, they are not eligible for Purple Heart retirement or medical benefits given to other soldiers wounded either at war or during the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon.

As a result, Burnett, his wife Torey, and the families of other Fort Hood victims miss out on thousands of dollars of potential benefits and pay every year.

To Burnett the shooting felt like combat.

“You take three rounds and lose five good friends and watch seven other people get killed in front of you. Do you have another term that we can classify that as?” asked Burnett.

The Army has categorized the shooting as a case of “workplace violence.”

“Sickens me. Absolutely sickens me. Workplace violence? I don’t even know if I have the words to say,” said Burnett.

“They don’t need to be treated like this. They don’t need to sit and fight every day for this benefit or that,” said Torey Burnett.

As that fight continues, Burnett was stunned to see a letter detailing the more $278,000 Hasan has been paid since his arrest. NBC 5 Investigates received the letter from the Department of Defense in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

“There have been times when my wife and I cannot afford groceries. We cannot afford gas in our car,” Burnett said. “Literally, times where we ate Ramen noodles for weeks on end. This [that Hasan is still earning a paycheck] makes me sick to my stomach,” said Burnett.

Burnett isn’t alone in his outrage.

“We’re giving the defendant in this case every benefit of the doubt. But yet we’re not giving the benefits to the victims,” said Rep. Thomas Rooney (R) Florida

Rooney, a former prosecutor at Fort Hood, recently signed a bi-partisan letter urging defense secretary Chuck Hagel to “…reclassify the victims’ deaths and injuries as ‘combat related’…”

Why exactly does anyone need to request this? Shouldn’t it just be common sense?

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ridiculous. this guy shouldn’t be fertilizer on the fort hood campus months ago…

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

*should’ve*

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

unstinkingbelievable….

bizarro world

cmsinaz on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Ft. Hood = Workplace Violence and all that entails!

workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

The victims and their families need to go into civil court and get a judgement against him. That way at least the money will go to them. Any time you are a victim of crime, you should file a civil suit.

Blake on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Your noble hero would never allow that.

BeachBum on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I get presumption of innocence and not suspending pay until found guilty. The problem is that it’s taken 3 years for a certain to be found guilty trial to get started. Jerry Sandusky went from arrest to conviction in 7 months.

rbj on May 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

We need to stop all forms of muslim immigration into America. No more travel visas, student visas, work visas, tourist visas. We need to study if it is at all possible for muslims to accept our Constitution and our laws.

Let’s do this for eight-year old Martin Richard.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Colour me a NOT Great-’Mehrikun, but does the phrase, “Innocent until proven guilty” ring a bell?

Until or unless MAJ Hassan is convicted, he is still a Major in the USA and therfore eligible for his pay and benefits.

When and IF convicted his pay status will change.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

ridiculous. this guy shouldn’t be fertilizer on the fort hood campus months ago…

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

*should’ve*

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

what we have in common is our raw mental horsepower

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM

I graduated from Harvard Law but ended up not practicing
nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM

portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 12:09 PM

The victims and their families need to go into civil court and get a judgement against him. That way at least the money will go to them.

Blake on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Yep. And they probably will.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

The victims and their families need to go into civil court and get a judgement against him. That way at least the money will go to them. Any time you are a victim of crime, you should file a civil suit.

Blake on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

The problem is that liberals can’t decide who the “real victim” is.

redzap on May 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

What’s happening to the victims is very wrong – thanks to Obumble.

However, regarding Hassan’s pay – that’s standard until he is convicted in his court-martial. Once that finally happens, the sentence usually includes back-dated forfeiture of all pay and benefits.

What should happen, but won’t, is the victimes should get all of his forfeited pay – as a minimum starting point.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The real outrage is the refusal of the Army and Obama administration to classify this as either a terrorist attack or combat, which would allow the wounded to receive Purple Hearts and (more importantly) combat-related benefits during their recovery and long-term care.

Yep. I can understand the due process bit but to have these soldiers and victims denied combat status because the rat-eared coward refuses to call this terrorism is simply unacceptable.

And why the hell does military justice take so long to make its way to trial?

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Jizya

Shy Guy on May 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

This kind of sh!t won’t go on forever. There will be a reckoning one day.

SailorMark on May 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I think the last hold up to his court martial is whether or not Hasan, has a right as a Muslim to grow a beard against Army regs. He does have one, and is out of the dress code.

Start fining him for that, and cut into his pay that way.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Thanks Ed for saying ’14′ were murdered!

I just pray the judge won’t delay this trail again. The rop type murder needs to go to count and with the evidence found guilty and hauled before a firing squad!
L

letget on May 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

“Workplace Violence” has been the main laughingstock of this tragedy since the beginning.

If this is workplace violence then so is the attack on our Benghazi consulate.

Bishop on May 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

what we have in common is our raw mental horsepower

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Lame horses don’t count.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Colour me a NOT Great-’Mehrikun, but does the phrase, “Innocent until proven guilty” ring a bell?

Until or unless MAJ Hassan is convicted, he is still a Major in the USA and therfore eligible for his pay and benefits.

When and IF convicted his pay status will change.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

It’s an interesting question. If a civilian is accused of murder, is their employer required to keep them on the payroll, with benefits, for the entire period in which they are in custody, unable to perform their work duties, and awaiting their trial?

I’m not sure that’s the case…

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

“Workplace Violence” has been the main laughingstock of this tragedy since the beginning.

If this is workplace violence then so is the attack on our Benghazi consulate.

Bishop on May 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Don’t give jugears any ideas.

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The guy keeps receiving ‘pay’ until his conviction. That’s the way it is.

As far as civil suits, I don’t know about that. The families would name Hasan in the suit, but the Army would also most certainly be held liable as well, which is another reason why the “workplace violence” designation doesn’t make sense.

Seems like a way to back door innumerable lawsuits against the Army. If its combat, there is no such recourse.

Of course, good luck getting the Army to pay, even if the plaintiffs win.

Sequester and all that…/

catmman on May 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

W T F?

So ‘workplace violence’ pays pretty good these days, huh?

ghostwalker1 on May 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Come now, lets have a little symapthy and common sense for the major. He’s still the “alleged” shooter yet to be convicted. He’ s still an active member of the armed forces so naturally he’s entitled to his pay and benefits. And he’s as much a victim here as any he is “alleged” to have shot, and was simply crying out for the compassion and help he so desperately needed and still needs.

/S <———– please note.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Why in the blue f*ck hasn’t this guy been prosecuted and convicted already? This is not a complicated investigation; it’s not like we’re trying to unravel the money-laundering practices of the five families of La Cosa Nostra or something. He walked into a room, shouted “Allahu Akhbar!”, and shot a bunch of people, including a pregnant lady. This case is about as open-and-shut as it gets. Yet, nearly four years after the fact, we are still dicking around with pre-trial maneuvering, while this piece of human sewage continues drawing his taxpayer-funded paycheck? WTF, Army?

Okay. I didn’t take my blood pressure meds this morning. I need to disengage from this issue before I blow a gasket.

Hayabusa on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

By law, Hassan continues to receive all his pay and allowances until the end of the Courts-Martial proceedings and the sentencing is over.

HOWEVER, he only gets about #20-#30 of that money each month for personal hygiene stuff, etc. The rest of his pay is held in escrow pending the result of the Courts-Martial. If he is found guilty, the military will take whatever fines are assessed out of that escrow, etc. If he is acquitted (not gonna happen) then he’ll get it all back.

This is the system that all of the branches use when someone is under confinement and awaiting or in process of Courts-Martial proceedings.

So yeah, he’s getting paid, but on paper only. The Army is simply following the law.

TKindred on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

So ‘workplace violence’ pays pretty good these days, huh?

It can if you have preferred political, religious and cultural connections.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

He shouldn’t even be drawing breath

DarkCurrent on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

It’s taking so long because the Army is being PC in not wanting to appear anti-Muslim and the guy has a civilian lawyer gaming the system, playing into that angle.

catmman on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

The Ft. Hood incident will eventually be called what it was, an act of jihad by a committed terrorist. It will also reflect on the misapplied charges and culpability of the Army Chief-of-Staff and most importantly the Commander-in-Chief, Barack Hussein Obama! It will therefore go down as one of the most egregious offenses on a U.S. Military Reservation! It will prove that our military has been infiltrated by political correctness of it’s core general and flag officers of all branches! A disgrace to our nation.

tomshup on May 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Why in the blue f*ck hasn’t this guy been prosecuted and convicted executed already?

It isn’t politically convenient for a person of his particular background.

His case probably would have been expedited had he been an active conservative and TEA party member in good standing.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

It’s an interesting question. If a civilian is accused of murder, is their employer required to keep them on the payroll, with benefits, for the entire period in which they are in custody, unable to perform their work duties, and awaiting their trial?

I’m not sure that’s the case…

No, s/he isn’t at work…but the Fed’s are different. Resist We Much or a more legally inclined person might shed more light. It’s a good question.

All can say,it used to be once convicted and mandated to Leavenworth Hassan’s Pay Grade falls to E-1 (Recruit Private). Not sure what an E-1 gts these days, somewhere north of $900-1200/month I’d imagine.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Until or unless MAJ Hassan is convicted, he is still a Major in the USA and therfore eligible for his pay and benefits.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Unless? You suggesting that this douchebag didn’t shoot up a building at Fort Hood- killing 14 and injuring over 30?

More importantly, the real crux here is if it’s fair that the douchebag’s victims should be treated as victims of workplace violence becasue the rat-eared coward refuses to call domestic Islamic terrorism for what it is. Or is the shooting itself open to debate about if it is terrorism or a shrink who went postal? If it helps you reach a conclusion not one USPS employee was screaming Allah Akbah as they fired upon their co-workers.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Work harder. Obama’s brother must be paid.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

And THIS is quite possibly the Biggest scandal of
this Administration….

ToddPA on May 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

what we have in common is our raw mental horsepower

nonpartisan on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Lame horses don’t count.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Sing it with me!

Oh, the old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be,
Ain’t what she used to be, ain’t what she used to be.
The old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be,
Many long years ago.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I’ve said it here before.I served and did a tour with LTC Warman.She died that day and her paycheck stopped.

docflash on May 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The fact that Muslims are in the military at all is a disgrace. What did they expect? PC ignorance is suicide. All this cash he’s being paid is nothing compared to what we’ve given his fellow anti-kuffar warriors in SA, Afghanistan, etc….

Get em all out of here, and NO MORE MONEY TO MUZ-SCUM!!So simple.

WhatSlushfund on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Unless? You suggesting that this douchebag didn’t shoot up a building at Fort Hood- killing 14 and injuring over 30?

I’m suggesting he is being proscecuted, but he has a Defense Team….for it to be a “trial” there must be the possibility of acquittal, hence “Unless.”

Since we’ve not reached the stage of “trials” in the Lubyanka or Prinz Albrechtstrasse I will entertain that possibility.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It’s taking so long because the Army is being PC in not wanting to appear anti-Muslim and the guy has a civilian lawyer gaming the system, playing into that angle.

catmman on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I don’t know what irritated me more the day of the shooting. The rat-eared coward’s “shout out” or the Army Chief of Staff lecturing that we shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions about the motives of a Muslim screaming Allak Akbah as he gunned down 14 and wounded 30. And the steadfast refusal to call this terrorism is unforgiveable. It is as if CAIR is calling the shots here.

The only real solace is the fact that Hassan didn’t walk away from his act of terrorism.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It’s an interesting question. If a civilian is accused of murder, is their employer required to keep them on the payroll, with benefits, for the entire period in which they are in custody, unable to perform their work duties, and awaiting their trial?

I’m not sure that’s the case…

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM

But it’s not a civilian matter, and any comparison to a civilian employer is invalid. Guess what? Manning is still getting paid, too. It’s standard procedure.

I’m disappointed in this HA article, Ed. Your readers don’t need any more reason to have contempt for Hassan’s actions than Hassan’s actions themselves, and this sort of whole-cloth manufactured outrage cheapens the legitimate grievances against him.

You may be heartened somewhat, however, to know that in Courts Martial, fines are usually levied in addition to additional sentences, so some of that pay will likely be recovered.

James on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

WhatSlushfund on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Please show your posting to your pasy-masters at the Daily Kos, and collect your cheque, and please don’t come back, at least today.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Thanks for reminding me of my age.

antipc on May 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Since we’ve not reached the stage of “trials” in the Lubyanka or Prinz Albrechtstrasse I will entertain that possibility.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Next you’ll be suggesting the evil twin defense.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

JFKY, since Hassan is an officer, he cannot be reduced in rank by any court-martial. You can only do that against enlisted.

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

JFKY, since Hassan is an officer, he cannot be reduced in rank by any court-martial. You can only do that against enlisted.

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Yeah, since he is commisssioned, Hassan serves at the pleasure of the President. And Hassan has pleased this President greatly.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM

OUTRAGEOUS! This guy should be six feet under but he is another muslim brother of Obama and Holder. Kept alive, well fed, and drawing a salary when he shouldn’t even be drawing a breath!

Oh MY GOD!

The world is upside down.

Delsa on May 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

JFKY, since Hassan is an officer, he cannot be reduced in rank by any court-martial. You can only do that against enlisted.

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Uh I don’t think that’s correct….The Army ain’t paying him north of 90K/year as a O-4, whilst in the hoosegow.
And yes I think you can be reduced in rank, even as a Commissioned Officer. But I’m certainly no attorney, nor did I attend Harvard law School.

Next you’ll be suggesting the evil twin defense.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

So does he get a trial or not, Happy? Because if he gets a trial, then yes it’s POSSIBLE he’ll be acquitted….
Hey look at OJ!

Nowe if you don’t want a trial, but you just want a lynching, just say so….

But as long as he has a Defense it’s Possible, albeit extremely unlikely, he’ll be acquitted. So I’m just going witht he legal logic of sayikng things like “Unless” or “Until.”

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

So yeah, he’s getting paid, but on paper only. The Army is simply following the law.

TKindred on May 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

This sounds about right.

I called my congressman this morning anyway and asked him to find out why this is workplace violence. The victims are probably sitting around getting paltry disability checks and trying to figure out what to do since they aren’t useful to the Army anymore. They were deploying and were attacked by the enemy. WTF?

Youngs98 on May 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

We are now officially a banana republic. 51% of the voters are too stupid to wipe their own ass without a federal program.

Bevan on May 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Well, they can save money by having him stand behind Manning when they shoot him.

Bonus.

BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Colour me a NOT Great-’Mehrikun, but does the phrase, “Innocent until proven guilty” ring a bell?

Until or unless MAJ Hassan is convicted, he is still a Major in the USA and therfore eligible for his pay and benefits.

When and IF convicted his pay status will change.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

a conviction isnt needed for a discharge…

chasdal on May 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

But as long as he has a Defense it’s Possible, albeit extremely unlikely, he’ll be acquitted. So I’m just going witht he legal logic of sayikng things like “Unless” or “Until.”

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Oh, there definitely should be a trial. But (and this applies to civilian trials too) when there is no doubt about guilt then the defense attorney’s job is to simply make the best case possible in light of the facts. Playing games for 14 months (one month for each victim) and four years after the terrorist attack is an intolerably long period of folks like you observing the niceties of “alleged,” “unless”, and “until.”

Let me guess- you consider Bradley Manning a whistleblower, don’t you?

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:48 PM

JFKY–Read RCM 1003(c)(2)(A)(i) please. It states “A commissioned or warrant officer or a cadet, or midshipman may not be reduced in grade by any court-martial.”

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

WhatSlushfund on May 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Please show your posting to your pasy-masters at the Daily Kos, and collect your cheque, and please don’t come back, at least today.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

???
What the hell are you talking about? What did I say that was Daily-Kos “pasy-master”-ish. I was absolutely serious.

Are you suggesting we keep pumping money to people who make no secret about the fact that they are our sworn enemies?

WhatSlushfund on May 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

They were deploying and were attacked by the enemy. WTF?

Youngs98 on May 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Now, don’t get JFKY riled up. They were deploying and were ALLEGEDLY attacked by the enemy.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

allah akbar,

dude definitely needs a turban and white sheet to wear along with some women he can beat like a rug and keep in line.

a virtual sharia law heaven thes sub human animals are animals are creating.

good to know we are ruled by one.

acyl72 on May 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM

a conviction isnt needed for a discharge…

chasdal on May 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Fine, but he wouldn’t be subject to the UCMJ….

Playing games for 14 months (one month for each victim) and four years after the terrorist attack is an intolerably long period of folks like you observing the niceties of “alleged,” “unless”, and “until.”

I’m sorry we didn’t just hang him high, but there it is…the legal system. You know, NAtion of Laws anot Men,a nd all that Rot, you guyz like to prate on about these parts about, UNLESS, of course, that gts inthe way of what YOU want to do, right?

Let me guess- you consider Bradley Manning a whistleblower, don’t you?

Where did you get that idea? The fact that I support the Law, doesn’t mean I think OJ, or Hassan or Manning aren’t GUILTY, but the Law, something I thought we Conservatives prided ourselves upon, is the law, and is to be followed. We don’t get to hang OJ, Hassan or Manning simply because we want to.

Again you are thinking with your adrenal glands…not the best seat of reasoning.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM

They were deploying and were ALLEGEDLY attacked by the enemy.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No they weren’t ALLEGEDLY attacked, they were ALLEGEDLY attacked by Maj Nidal Hassan…the trial is to determine if that ALLEGATION is true or not.

Are you suggesting we keep pumping money to people who make no secret about the fact that they are our sworn enemies

?

You mean the MILLIONS of Muslims who live in this country? The millions who don’t attack their neighbors?

Are you in favour of ending WHITE immigration when a white person does something bad, as well?

As I say return to your PAY-MASTERS at Kos, and show how you made a racist and foolish statement that can be used to “demonstrate” Conservative HATE Muslims…..

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I get presumption of innocence and not suspending pay until found guilty. The problem is that it’s taken 3 years for a certain to be found guilty trial to get started. Jerry Sandusky went from arrest to conviction in 7 months.

rbj on May 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

They caught Hasan red handed. He was injured, remember, and we are compelled to be humane and heal his injuries before prosecuting him. Then for some baffling reason months went by while they argued about his beard.

This is freaking ridiculous.

dogsoldier on May 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Where Do The Hate, Hate H8ters Live? Only The Hate-Pimps Will Be Surprised.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

We have a Winner!
Obama-state Hate Crimes : 4666
Romney-state Hate Crimes: 1556

Carnac on May 21, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Then for some baffling reason months went by while they argued about his beard.

This is freaking ridiculous.

I agree on that…he’s a Maj in the USA. NO BEARDS. THAT was “PC” silliness…I doubt PFC. Lemonghello could have grown dredlocks as a Rastafarian and gotten away with it,so why this guy could or it’s even argued puzzled me.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Shouldn’t it just be common sense?

Two words, Chuck Hagel

AndrewsDad on May 21, 2013 at 1:08 PM

We need to stop all forms of muslim immigration into America. No more travel visas, student visas, work visas, tourist visas. We need to study if it is at all possible for muslims to accept our Constitution and our laws.

Let’s do this for eight-year old Martin Richard.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I’d like to see more Persecuted Christians given refuge here. Danny Thomas was a Lebanese Catholic…Founded St. Jude’s among other great works.

They work hard establishing businesses and communities…and many of these are from Congregations dating from the Apostolic era.

Why import terrorists and commies who hate us?

workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 1:17 PM

No they weren’t ALLEGEDLY attacked, they were ALLEGEDLY attacked by Maj Nidal Hassan…the trial is to determine if that ALLEGATION is true or not.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Now you’re just being stubborn.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:17 PM

He’s getting ‘free room and board’ & doesn’t need all that money — give it to the victims/families!

easyt65 on May 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Common sense? This is the Obama administration we’re talking about.

RebeccaH on May 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Now you’re just being stubborn.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:17 PM

NO, I’m stating a legal TRUTH…the attack is not ‘alleged” it is “alleged” that Maj Nidal Hassan committed the attack. And the trial is to determine the legal validity of that allegation.

I believe that’s the basis of Anglo Justice system, until it’s demonstrated Hassan is guilty, he’s only the “Alleged” attacker…

You seem to get excited that I gave the legalistic “unless” or “until” and seem to confuse what you KNOW with what you can PROVE.

I agree with you in KNOWING Hassan “did it’ but it hasn’t been PROVEN, so he’s still innocent.

And in an era wherein the TEA Party and others have been “presumed” guilty, you’d think you’d be cognizant of the difference, and appreciative of it as well. The IRS “Knew” the TEA Party deserved extra scrutiny….they never had to PROVE it…so yes the law and it’s strictures helps all, the GUILTY or the Innocent.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Well, that’s the way the UCMJ works, and I think it’s a pretty good idea. Cutting people off from their income because they’re accused smacks of “First the verdict, then the trial.” Anyway, if he’s found guilty they can probably get the money back.

PersonFromPorlock on May 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM

George Patton would have had this man shot as soon as possible.

mixplix on May 21, 2013 at 1:34 PM

George Patton would have had this man shot as soon as possible.

Shortly after the evil deed was done. Maybe sooner.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Anyway, if he’s found guilty they can probably get the money back.

maybe not….if he has access to the internet, eBay, Amazon.com, streaming music and video sites for downloading, its amazing how fast money can be spent.

/s

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

When and IF convicted his pay status will change.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Had they been smart and killed the ba$tard that morning, this would never have been a problem.

bw222 on May 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Had they been smart and killed the ba$tard that morning, this would never have been a problem.
bw222 on May 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

But they didn’t so, whatcha gonna do?

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Had they been smart and killed the ba$tard that morning, this would never have been a problem.

bw222 on May 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I’ll second that.
When first responders have a chance to kill a murderer in the act, they should do so.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

But they didn’t so, whatcha gonna do?

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Gotta follow the legal process as designed – just like you’ve been stating. I really don’t understand why Happy Nomad keeps attacking you. You’re absolutely correct in stating the legalities.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I’ll second that.
When first responders have a chance to kill a murderer in the act, they should do so.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

A workable theory until you shoot the wrong person, then it’s a little more than “Oops, my bad.” Not sure why Hassan didn’t get shot….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

A workable theory until you shoot the wrong person, then it’s a little more than “Oops, my bad.” Not sure why Hassan didn’t get shot….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Didn’t mean that as an attack, BTW.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:24 PM

A workable theory until you shoot the wrong person, then it’s a little more than “Oops, my bad.” Not sure why Hassan didn’t get shot….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

He did get shot – just not killed – paralyzed from the waist down, from what I remember.
BTW – this was in essentially a “gun free zone”, so it was pretty obvious to the first responders who the shooter was.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Well, **** me. It must be nice to work for the government.

Paul-Cincy on May 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Nothing says ‘Islamic Extremist Sympathizer’ like declaring a terrorist attack on U.S. troops preparing to deploy by a man in contact with one of Al Qaeda’s leader, a man who was a member of Extremists web sites on which he called himself a ‘Soldier of Allah;, a man who threatened to behead his fellow officers if they refused to convert to Islam, a ‘CASE OF WORKPLACE VIOLENCE’.

easyt65 on May 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Workplace violence my ass. Hassan is a jihadi who purposefully murdered his fellow troops for the enemy’s cause. He should have been summarily executed for treason. To hell with the Obama administration.

The enemy has infiltrated the US Army and who knows what other military branches and sensitive areas of the government. Find and execute them or be destroyed from within.

RobertE on May 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

A workable theory until you shoot the wrong person, then it’s a little more than “Oops, my bad.” Not sure why Hassan didn’t get shot….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

He did get shot – just not killed – paralyzed from the waist down, from what I remember.
BTW – this was in essentially a “gun free zone”, so it was pretty obvious to the first responders who the shooter was.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Not a huge fan of wiki, but a pretty good account of the shooting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM

He did get shot – just not killed – paralyzed from the waist down, from what I remember.
BTW – this was in essentially a “gun free zone”, so it was pretty obvious to the first responders who the shooter was.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

It has been so long, and that is a valid complaint concerning the process, I had forgotten the details, thanx.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM

About Hassan’s future status…Wiki listes a number of OFFICERS demoted upon conviction. Now that may have been as a result of the conviction, i.e., the POTUS and Congress acted to reduce rank, not as a part of the verdict, per se, but it IS possible that at the end of his trial and soon after conviction that Maj (Former) Hassan may be in a somewhat different pay grade.

He won’t be costing AS MUCH….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

About Hassan’s future status…Wiki listes a number of OFFICERS demoted upon conviction. Now that may have been as a result of the conviction, i.e., the POTUS and Congress acted to reduce rank, not as a part of the verdict, per se, but it IS possible that at the end of his trial and soon after conviction that Maj (Former) Hassan may be in a somewhat different pay grade.

He won’t be costing AS MUCH….

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

In the long run it’s not going to matter if MAJ Hassan gets demoted or not. If and when he is found guilty, he can be dismissed from the Army and lose any and all benefits (including retirement if eligible).

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Bravesbill on May 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Uh I thought the discharge (Bad Conduct) came upon COMPLETION of sentence…he’s still the Army’s until then, and as such he’s not out. And since I assume, a dangerous thing, the Army is going for “Life” he’s not going to get a discharge, because there won’t be a completion of term.

To be tried and punished, under the UCMJ he must be SUBJECT to the UCMJ….a discharged civilian is not…I would think, but I would bow to your superior legal knowledge.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Are you in favour of ending WHITE immigration when a white person does something bad, as well?

JFKY

Apparently he missed the memo where a significant portion of the white race declared war on the U.S.

And btw, Muslim isn’t a race. White people can be Muslim.

xblade on May 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Apparently he missed the memo where a significant portion of the white race declared war on the U.S.

Let’s graph that shall we:

Major Premise: SOME Muslims declared war on the US

Minor Premise: Some Muslims live in the US

Conclusion: Muslims living in the US have declared war on the US.

Sorry and whatshisname failed Logic Class…

How about this

Major Premise: SOME White People declared war on Blacks

Minor Premise: Some White People live in the South

Conclusion: Whites in the Suth have declared war on Blacks.

So sorry Xblade you and Louis Farrahkhan are both illogical and wrong….and before yuo try the Muslim not= a race, it’s an ANALOGY.

All those statements are incomplete and illogical. So the fact that Usama Bin Laden declared war on the US doesn’t mean ALL Muslims did…in the same sense that one crazy white guy, Brevard, declaring war on Muslims and Liberals, doesn’t mean ALL white guyz agree with Brevard.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Of course he is getting a salary. He’ll need some money when he gets pardoned by Obama, you silly gooses!

Sterling Holobyte on May 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Use that money to build a scaffold with a trap door and a new rope.

mixplix on May 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Major Premise: SOME White People declared war on Blacks

Minor Premise: Some White People live in the South

Conclusion: Whites in the Suth have declared war on Blacks.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Not really. “Some” white people didn’t have a book they follow which states why they need to declare war on blacks.
All muslims have a book like that.
If they are not following the commands in that book, they are either:
Lying(as in deceptive). And lying(as in laying down) in wait.
Ignorant of what their book teaches them to do.

Look up Walid Shoebat and/or Usama Dakdok.

And before you bring up how “Well, the Christian bible states people should be killed for…blah, blah blah”, let me do a preemptive simple answer. God the Father had a method back in the old testament. God the Son, Jesus, came and gave us a new covenant, paying the price for us for all sin so that the blood sacrifices, etc. are not required anymore.

Sterling Holobyte on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Sterling Holobyte on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

And when you show ALL Muslims are acting upon this book, or that 40% of all Muslims are acting upon this book, I’ll get concerned.

JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

The victims and their families need to go into civil court and get a judgement against him. That way at least the money will go to them.

Blake on May 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Yep. And they probably will.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

They better hurry before the statute of limitations runs out if it hasn’t already.

Blake on May 22, 2013 at 4:10 AM