Rand Paul: Why is Apple being hauled before Congress to explain its perfectly legal tax minimization scheme?

posted at 5:21 pm on May 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

Watching both clips will cost you 10 minutes, but they’re worth it. (Conn Carroll has a partial transcript in case you can’t spare the time.) The background is straightforward: Congressional investigators discovered that Apple’s been using an unusually complex — but apparently perfectly legal, and decidedly clever — cluster of international tax shelters to lower its tax burden. For example, they have a holding company incorporated in Ireland that keeps its bank accounts in the U.S.; because Ireland assesses residency based on where the company’s assets are while the U.S. assesses residency based on place of incorporation, the holding company effectively exists nowhere for tax purposes. Apple saved $44 billion since 2009 from tricks like this, which, averaged over four years, means the lost tax revenue last year could have paid for a single day of federal spending. But again — all perfectly legal. Even if you think it shouldn’t be, you run into Paul’s point in the second clip, namely, why not just have a Senate debate on tax reform rather than try to shame Apple with hearings for doing what literally anyone else in their position would have done (potentially at the risk of being ousted by shareholders if they didn’t)?

What’s especially bizarre about this is Democrats attempting to make an example of a company that’s universally respected for its innovation, even among the lowest of low-information voters. If you want to demagogue corporations for lightening their tax load, politics 101 says to find a company that’s far removed from the average joe or, at least, whose product reliably produces grumbles about the cost or quality. Defense contractors and oil companies are always easy marks. Instead they chose the one corp above all others whose products nearly everyone likes, and whose late founder has become a symbol for can-do entrepreneurial success — a point Paul was shrewd in emphasizing today:

I guess the Dems figured that it’d be better to focus on a household name so that people would pay extra attention to the hearings. I think that’s a miscalculation. We’ll see. In the meantime, I leave you with this:

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.



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Smart man.

rob verdi on May 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

Yeah, why would Apple get the wrong idea, being hauled up in front of the Senate despite actually obeying the tax laws.

/sarc

gwelf on May 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Apple leaves its overseas profits overseas, and its domestic profits in domestic accounts. There’s nothing slimy about that. Paying 35% to import the money to the US would be downright stupid.

Fenris on May 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Juan McCain, the gift that should have been returned to the NVA.

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Even if you think it shouldn’t be, you run into Paul’s point in the second clip, namely, why not just have a Senate debate on tax reform rather than try to shame Apple

Patience. America is only beginning to wake up from the nightmare where private industry is the enemy and government is blameless.

MadisonConservative on May 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

It was BULLYING…and a subliminal ‘You aren’t a good citizen, Apple’ hearing. It was embarrassing.

For the record, I cheered the ‘whackobird’ and threw a shoe at that old, mean, deluded assh0le named Senator John Insane, who, evidently, brought home some of the NVA witch trial mentality.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Rand is absolutely right.

And, by the way, see what all the eco programs and solar farms Apple builds has gotten them – hauled before the senate. If liberals want tax money, they don’t care if you use the New York Times page on your devices during keynotes. They just want money.

Dongemaharu on May 21, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Government…we are trying to invent a $1,000 iphone.

Oil Can on May 21, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Google having similar problems in Europe: Google Boss: I’m Very Proud of Our Tax Avoidance Scheme

All legal as well I suspect.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Levin is just pissed that he didn’t think of it himself. And McCain… well, his seat is safe for a few years, so he doesn’t have to pretend to be conservative at the mo’.

CantCureStupid on May 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

From Market-ticker.org

This is amusing, really.

What’s happened here is that Apple has created subsidiaries that have no tax home at all.

Effectively what is going on is that Apple has created corporate entities that have no “citizenship”; they are thus exempt from tax in any jurisdiction when it comes to those entities.

This is not technically illegal, but it is exactly the sort of scheming that our legal environment and tax environment has encouraged. Apple, incidentally, is nowhere near the only firm doing this but it happens to be one of, if not, the largest.

Tax avoidance is not illegal. Evasion is. But you, as a natural person, cannot declare yourself (or any part of yourself) a taxable citizen of nowhere.

But this is exactly what big corporations like Apple have done through legal machinations. It’s wrong, not because Apple is doing it but because you can’t.

It’s that simple folks.

What we need to do is throw out the IRS, and redo the entire tax law. It shouldn’t exceed the front page of one sheet of paper.

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM

McCain stood up at beginning of Rand’s remarks; did he walk out?

And, if the GOP can’t use current situation to reform tax code, what. exactly. will. it. take?

aquaviva on May 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM

The thing is, everyone, even the smarmy people in Washington, know the tax system sucks.

But they’re obeying the law, they’re doing what the system allows them to do.

In the IT world we would say the tax system is “working as designed”. Get over it, or improve the system.

Meople on May 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM

So when is Warren Buffett paying up his back taxes ? Or it doesn’t matter because his secretary pays a lot in taxes ?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Funny thing… even from reliably liberal tech commentators, Rand Paul is getting some good airtime. Levin and McCain are being castigated. This appears to be almost universal.

Heh.

Prufrock on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Apple has done more to enrich people’s lives than politicians will ever do.

— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) May 21, 2013

Meh. With this gang of lowlifes, criminals, traitors, and incompetents in Washington this is pretty much true for everything.

Personally, I hate Apple, have always hated Apple and think that the company is just lucky that lefties love to be abused by it. But, they’ve done nothing wrong trying to minimize their tax payments (and this is a hint why they hung onto the offshore cash for all these years) … except, of course, that most of the douchebags at apple support raising everyone’s taxes and like to ally with idiots like BiteMe and his moronic “paying taxes is patriotic” cr@p.

In any event, Jobs is gone and apple is headed towards relative obscurity. This is the company’s last hurrah before it goes under … again.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Apple officers
Have responsibility
Fiduciary

They have to do everything they can to maximize shareholder value. If the law is such that complicated, but legal, tax dodges are the best way to protect the shareholders’ interests, Apple has a legal responsibility to engage in complicated, but legal, tax dodges.

Haiku Guy on May 21, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Google having similar problems in Europe: Google Boss: I’m Very Proud of Our Tax Avoidance Scheme

All legal as well I suspect.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Whether or not what Apple and Google are doing (not necessarily exactly the same) is legal in Europe is one thing. That’s their issue. This issue is that the US Congress is getting snippy that they can’t figure out a way to tax Europe.

Fenris on May 21, 2013 at 5:36 PM

From the Lois Lame thread:

Now I know how a grizzly bear feels when they wander into a salmon pool!
The posts keep getting better and better each day here. All it will take today to break HotGas is throw in a Rand Paul/Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin thread.
It just might tip over.
can_con on May 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Ok AP, now you’re just toying with us.

can_con on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

John McCain – retire, please.

albill on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

I wouldn’t expect nothing less from Shoomer’s Republican !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Amen, Senator Paul!

Deafdog on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Democrats write convoluted, overly complex laws riddled with loopholes and then decry the unintended consequences.

Why aren’t the Dems grilling Jeff Immelt over GE’s legal, zero tax liability?

Yet another reason to scrap the income tax, especially the corporate income tax.

Surely even the LIVs can understand that corporations do not pay income taxes, they merely collect them from consumers on behalf of the IRS.

Taxes are like any other product expense, (raw materials, salaries, marketing, etc) and are included in the price of the reduction or service.

In spite of the false outrage by Dems most of them, not all (Sheila Jackson Lee, Bernie Sanders, et al) know this fact but use the corporate income tax to extract more money from individuals. They don’t have the courage to simply pass a national sales tax. Too transparent.

Charlemagne on May 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM

How much in taxes did Solyndra pay?

Rich H on May 21, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Rand Paul defends an American success story. John McCain defends Dem. Sen. Carl Levin…

Weight of Glory on May 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Patience. America is only beginning to wake up from the nightmare where private industry is the enemy and government is blameless.

MadisonConservative on May 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

God, I hope so.

Corporal Tunnel on May 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Taxes are like any other product expense, (raw materials, salaries, marketing, etc) and are included in the price of the reduction product or service

Charlemagne on May 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM

So when is Warren Buffett paying up his back taxes ? Or it doesn’t matter because his secretary pays a lot in taxes ?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

He doesn’t have to since they made a Buffet Tax rule. Ol’ Butthead has carte blanche, now, to hold back all of his taxes since his name is on a rule trying to squeeze every last penny out of everyone else. He’s the perfect leftist … just as they intentionally tried to create laws with disparate impact to satisfy their need for race-based everything … and then they set out to try and take every other law by arguing that it has “disparate impact”, even unintentionally (which was all BS, anyway). But they never examine their own laws that were designed with disparate impact as the goal. Yep …

I’m still wondering when ol’ Warren is going to lose control of the $30 billion that he allegedly “gave away” years ago – to tons of splashy press about what a great guy the slug is. Somehow, he managed to “give away” all that dough but it still shows up as “his” in all the “richest person in the world” lists. Funny how that is.

But, we all know this is typical for leftists. They only care about what people think they do, not the underhanded, nasty, stupid things they actually do.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 21, 2013 at 5:41 PM

How much in taxes did Solyndra pay?

Rich H on May 21, 2013 at 5:39 PM

They were never profitable, so no taxes paid. They only stole our tax dollars.

NotCoach on May 21, 2013 at 5:41 PM

McCain is such an azzhole, a shame to the land.

His grandpa and father are disgusting with what he’s become.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

How much did GE pay?

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I wish Steve Jobs were alive today to stand in solidarity with Rand Paul. That would send the left into a collective tailspin.

“I’m done with Apple!”

sent from my iphone
(expect typos)

can_con on May 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Does Schumer actually own Juan..?

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM

bayam will defend the tech. companies in 3, 2, 1.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM

John McCain- getting ready to take on the role of Jimmah Carter- certified nut case.

Scotsman on May 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Can I point something out? What the Senate is shaming Apple for doing is basically the entire structure and appeal of H&R Block. Watch this commercial.

Weight of Glory on May 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

McCain has moved from wet starts to wet farts. The senile old coot needs to go.

HumpBot Salvation on May 21, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I wonder how much of that money is funneled back to pension plans and investment portfolios that are used for retirement as well?

Fun game: Ask a liberal where their pension money is.

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM

In other words, Tim Cook declined to do something for this admin (Gov’t spying software in IOS?) and this is the government retaliation.

tdarrington on May 21, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Me too, sister. Preach it.

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Watched all 10+ minutes. Great rant Senator Paul!

beancounter on May 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

“It’s a game. We [tax lawyers] teach the rich how to play it so they can stay rich — and the IRS keeps changing the rules so we can keep getting rich teaching them.” — Attorney and best-selling author John Grisham

natasha333 on May 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Rand Paul: Why is Apple being hauled before Congress to explain its perfectly legal tax minimization scheme?

Because the whole goal of fundamental transformation is to take money away from people and give it to other people.

Not necessarily “poor” people, because that would eliminate a Donk voter block, better to give it to more “politically correct” people.

Bruno Strozek on May 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

o/t but breaking…

The Justice Department and Fox News’s Phone Records

Posted by Ryan Lizza, The New Yorker

The Obama Justice Department has seized the phone records of numbers that are associated with White House staffers and, apparently, with Fox News reporters, according to a document filed on October 13, 2011, in the case of Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, a former State Department contractor accused of violating the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking classified information to James Rosen, a Fox News reporter. Ronald C. Machen, Jr., the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is prosecuting the case, has seized records associated with two phone numbers at the White House, at least five numbers associated with Fox News, and one that has the same area code and exchange as Rosen’s personal-cell-phone number (the last four numbers are redacted).

In all, Ronald C. Machen, Jr., the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, has seized records associated with over thirty different phone numbers. In the filing that included the new information, the last four digits of each telephone line targeted by the Obama Administration is redacted. Two of the numbers begin with area code 202 and the exchange 456, which, according to current and former Administration officials, are used exclusively by the White House. (The phone number for the White House switchboard is (202) 456-1414.)

At least five other numbers targeted by the government include the area code 202 and the exchange 824. The phone number for the Fox News Washington bureau, which is publicly available, is (202) 824-0001. Rosen’s work phone number at Fox News begins with the same area code and exchange.

William Miller, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney, told The New Yorker this afternoon, “Because that information is sealed, I can’t confirm the owner or subscriber for any of those records.” Asked if the phone numbers of any reporters had been targeted in the Kim investigation, Miller said he could not comment.

Yesterday, the Washington Post reported that, as part of the investigation of the Kim leak, Obama’s Department of Justice seized e-mails from Rosen’s personal Gmail account. In the search warrant for that request, the government described Rosen as “an aider, and abettor, and / or co-conspirator” in violating the Espionage Act, noting that the crime can be punished by ten years in prison. Rosen was not indicted in the case, but the suggestion in a government document that a reporter could be guilty of espionage for engaging in routine reporting is unprecedented and has alarmed many journalists and civil libertarians.

Continue reading

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 5:51 PM

So when is Warren Buffett paying up his back taxes ?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Some people are better than others.

Lauryn Hill’s going to jail while Buffett is not.

CW on May 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Why don’t they have hearings about all the “green” companies that have ripped off the taxpayer?

McCain was even joking about why does he have to keep “upgrading” his iPhone???

I am sure Apple has taken care of the great Senator from Arizona.

redguy on May 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

The moderate and dem Senators are pissed that Rush Limbaugh is an Apple supporter.

redguy on May 21, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Yet Apple & most of their followers will continue to support the Libs, and bash the 1%.

Does this make sense?

portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I’m liking Rand Paul more and more. I’d have a tough time choosing between him, Ted Cruz, and Rick Perry for President.

Conversely, I like Rubio less and less every time he opens his mouth.

DRayRaven on May 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

So heard about this ?

The former diplomats inform PJM the new revelations concentrate in two areas — what Ambassador Chris Stevens was actually doing in Benghazi and the pressure put on General Carter Ham, then in command of U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) and therefore responsible for Libya, not to act to protect jeopardized U.S. personnel.

Stevens’ mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department, not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.
Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed because, in part, as one of the diplomats said, she wanted “to overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/21/report-more-benghazi-whistleblowers-to-reveal-devastating-details-on-terror-attack-including-why-chris-stevens-was-in-libya/

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

ripped off the taxpayer?

redguy on May 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Oh we’re going to get paid back.
/

CW on May 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

McCain’s end cannot come soon enough.

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

two babes sitting behind Sen. Paul

commodore on May 21, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Carl Levin’s a bully!
Carl Levin’s a bully!
Carl Levin’s a stupid bully!
Carl Levin’s a stupid overpaid bully!
Carl Levin’s a useless, stupid, overpaid bully!

[OK, John, bring it on. I'm sure you'll hate me, too since I won't scratch your back.]

As for Rand, it’s nice to see some common sense in Washington.

And for the rest of the Senate, if you don’t like the amount of taxes Apple pays . . . wait for it . . . then stop bitching and change the tax code! Your nothing but a bunch of useless, stupid, overpaid bullies . . . until you prove otherwise.

Thanks for listen,
EB

EdmundBurke247 on May 21, 2013 at 6:00 PM

The Thug in Chief has priorities.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Rand Paul: Why is Apple being hauled before Congress to explain its perfectly legal tax minimization scheme?

Ice-T baby, this goes out to all you haters out there
Actin’ like a brother done did somethin’ wrong
cause he got his game tight
Don’t hate the player, hate the game…

… I don’t know why a player wanna hate T
I didn’t choose the game, the game chose me

1. Create high tax rate.
2. Create market/social engineering fairness loopholes for campaign donations from “concerned industry advocates.”
3. PROFIT !!!

elgeneralisimo on May 21, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Indeed is Apple is doing tax AVOIDANCE, that’s not illegal, not immoral or unethical either.

Only tax EVASION is illegal.

Axion on May 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I am so impressed with this man! Very few people in Washington DC are impressive, so glad there is at least one.

bopbottle on May 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

And which Party is largely responsible for these ‘tax loopholes’? What happened here — Apple wouldn’t be shaken down and it’s time for revenge?

THIS is a distraction.

As for McCain…He needs to just switch parties at this point and be done with it. I’m totally convinced North Vietnam twisted his head; their brainwashing worked.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 6:06 PM

The government is running out of things to tax to fund their 1300 federal agencies and it goes for both parties too. The Social Security funds were a feast for the dems and Johnson loved every minute of it.

mixplix on May 21, 2013 at 6:06 PM

How much did GE pay?

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

BOOM.
That’s the figgin question right there.

RushBaby on May 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM

So when is Warren Buffett paying up his back taxes ?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Some people are better than others.

Lauryn Hill’s going to jail while Buffett is not.

CW on May 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

And the slimeball Jon Corzine is free as a bird.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I am simply amazed at the information gathering, knowledge, expertise, attention to detail, etc. that both Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have on many issues. I know they have offices, interns, research specialists, etc., however, I have great difficulty in trying to keep track of the Obama thug regime’s antics. They seem to just stroll along with ease mowing down the Obama’s thug regime agenda at every opportunity.

They are fighting for us on all fronts. It is time that someone stood up for private business. Thank you Rand Paul!!!

Lastly, I just want to say it is so very much appreciated. And I, like another poster, forgot what a true statesman is like. Its been a long draught.

Amjean on May 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM

OT – Marching Orders

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM

And the slimeball Jon Corzine is free as a bird.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Biden’s economic advisor , planner of the stimulus, who ended up pleading the 5th ……Obama sure knows how to pick losers !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Indeed is Apple is doing tax AVOIDANCE, that’s not illegal, not immoral or unethical either.

Only tax EVASION is illegal.

Axion on May 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Not only is “avoidance” not illegal, a long line of tax cases say it is one’s “duty”.

Apple did not write the tax laws. A long a time ago we flipped a coin and decided on one of 2 ways to tax overseas earnings (basically not taxed until brought back, with a credit for any foreign taxes paid on those earnings). It is complicated, requires expensive software to calculate and requires a large tax staff to track, calculate and report (thus I believe puts pressure on Congress to not change it…it would put an entire industry out of business).

The US is one of the few countries to use this method. Most industrialized countries don’t tax overseas earnings at all!

teejk on May 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

I despise McLame…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I love Rand Paul! God bless him!

Yeah.. congress vilifies a company for following the law they create.

JellyToast on May 21, 2013 at 6:26 PM

The US is one of the few countries to use this method. Most industrialized countries don’t tax overseas earnings at all!

teejk on May 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM

No other country has American Democrats and RINOs, either.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM

When will congress bring Soros in to grill?

docflash on May 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

McCain has been in DC way too long.

Too bad, an idiot ran against him the last time in the Republican primary.

slp on May 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

All this tax talk from idiots in Congress just reminds me of the criminal moron, Holder, who secured that last minute pardon for serious tax criminal Marc Rich, unlike apple which is just being a hypocritical lefty company that is doing the right thing (though it goes against everything everyone at apple believes for the rest of America). Funny how this all fits together.

Has anyone even mentioned Holder and his love of true tax evaders, seeing how relevant this is? Nah … this is pretty much the same Senate that confirmed that criminal for the JustUs head. Friggin idiots, traitors and criminals.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

John McCain used to be a leader, but now he’s a dinosaur. Rand Paul has the ability to move the party his direction, while McCain no longer does. In fact, I suspect McCain may become a Democrat before long as both parties undergo a major reshuffling post Obama and Boehnner.

fatlibertarianinokc on May 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Personally, I am losing all respect for SC voters…they remind me too much of Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd voters…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Personally, I am losing all respect for SC voters…they remind me too much of Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd voters…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

And not to mention AZ voters…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Paul is a great statesman and God bless him for speaking the truth to those phoney baloney politicians.

Hey, he mentioned Johnson. That’s Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, right? Good on Johnson for what I presume was sticking up for Apple.

Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

And don’t forget, Hillary Clinton plays the part of a war hawk which will fit very nicely with the war boys of Graham and McCain. While Rand Paul will be trying to end foreign aid and military involvement as much as possible. The 2016 race will actually be a fascinating role reversal which seems to happen. Rand Paul will be the more anti-war, less military spending presidential candidate while Clinton will be the war hawk, defending our past military conquests and backing of terrorists. I think we know which side McCain is on in this.

fatlibertarianinokc on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse [Carl] Levin of bullying.

Ya got to love McCain’s moronic suggestion Levin wasn’t bullying:

“Apple’s a great company, but no company — no company — should be able to determine how much it’s going to pay in taxes, how many profits they’re going to keep offshore, how they’re going to bring them back home, using all kinds of gimmicks to avoid paying the taxes to this country,” Levin said.

That, my friends, is the acme of bullying and the petulant arrogance of a petty tyrant.

Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Paul’s GOP colleague, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also defended the Senate inquiry, calling it “offensive” for anyone to accuse my friend [Carl] Levin of bullying.

Fixed because you know if he didn’t say it, he was thinking it.

Odysseus on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Good for Rand Paul.
It’s time someone put these DC insiders in their places.
Shame on John McCain.
So why did conservatives have a problem with McCain holding the torch for the Republican Party anyway?

dverplank on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

while Clinton will be the war hawk, defending our past military conquests and backing of terrorists

She’s no war hawk…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

“Apple’s a great company, but no company — no company — should be able to determine how much it’s going to pay in taxes, how many profits they’re going to keep offshore, how they’re going to bring them back home, using all kinds of gimmicks to avoid paying the taxes to this country,” Levin said.

That, my friends, is the acme of bullying and the petulant arrogance of a petty tyrant.

Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Senator Levin, when are you going to call GE to a Senate hearing regarding the taxes that corporation pays?

Yeah, that’s what I thought…

ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

This is a warning to Google: play ball with us or else. They did it to Microsoft years ago.

Follow the money….

PattyJ on May 21, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Good for Rand — what he said is absolutely correct, and the politically smart thing to do here. I can’t stand Apple, but this is just stupid.

Keep giving the Dems rope. Let them continue to be the party of big government and overreach. Let them continue to show that no matter much water you carry for the Left, they will turn on you and eat you first chance they get.

rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM

While I agree with everything Rand Paul said, it bears pointing out that the people at Apple help foster this environment. They donate to every lefty politician they can and Jobs wife sat next to Moochelle during the State of the Union Address a few years ago. Man up Apple and support the right side.

Big Orange on May 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Some people are better than others.

Lauryn Hill’s going to jail while Buffett is not.

CW

Not excusing Buffet the hypocrite, but the difference is Lauryn Hill didn’t file her tax returns. As far as I know, Buffet did. Had she done so, she wouldn’t be going to jail either.

xblade on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Damn that TEA Party Senator Rand Paul is making too much common sense; He must be destroyed. He must have skeletons in his closet.

racquetballer on May 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Rand Paul: Why is Apple being hauled before Congress to explain its perfectly legal tax minimization scheme?

Taxes, in addition to being a tool for social manipulation, is also the means by which all entities pay tribute to the almighty Federal government. Apple didn’t pay tribute and now they are being hauled before our central planners to explain.

antifederalist on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Senator Levin, when are you going to call GE to a Senate hearing regarding the taxes that corporation pays?

Yeah, that’s what I thought…

[ladyingray on May 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM]

Ha! A very good point, ladyingray. Kudos.

Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

For all the bullying, Apple walks out of the hearing with every offshore dollar intact.

Just for fun, I might have left a $100.00 bill on the table for the cleaning crew.

BobMbx on May 21, 2013 at 7:40 PM

By the way, do any of you small government conservatives challenge the premise that Congress should have the authority to call in private citizens to testify before them? All of these Congressional hearings are show trials. This is suppose to be a constitutional republic, not a banana republic.

antifederalist on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

a company that’s universally respected for its innovation

Lol…

OK, Apple is awesome at what they do well, which is sell trendy gadgets to people who don’t know any better, but they are NOT innovators.

spinach.chin on May 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN McCAIN.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

This is the only time I’ve approved of using the caps lock key. Really, if you are going to call yourself a Republican, you defend legitimate business practices.

thuja on May 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

First California whined that Apple wasn’t giving them enough money… Now it’s the federal government. Maybe the government should just take it over…

Apple should save California (or the country) by paying higher taxes

http://www.imperfectamerica.com

imperfectamerica on May 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Rand, Cruz, and Lee. So sad to see so few in DC with a spine and common sense.

ritewhit on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

John McCain, WTF happened to you?

JohnGalt23 on May 21, 2013 at 11:50 PM

The real lessen should be.

“MAKE THE USofA A TAX HAVEN!”

Slowburn on May 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Good for Apple. Unless they have publicly stated that they or anyone else should be paying more taxes, they are doing the right thing.

The problem with Warren Buffet is he claims to want to pay more taxes, but through his company has one billion dollars in back taxes that he is refusing to pay. That is hypocrisy. Either come out in favor of fair taxes or lower taxes, or a more straightforward tax scheme, pay your legal tax burden, or shut up.

talkingpoints on May 22, 2013 at 12:07 AM

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