Pew: Plurality of Democrats support DOJ’s phone-records dragnet against the Associated Press while GOP, indies oppose

posted at 6:41 pm on May 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

Nothing surprising here, but after Democrats spent the entirety of Bush’s second term loudly despairing over civil liberties and freedom of the press being trod upon in the name of counterterrorism, polls like this will remain forever blogworthy. HA readers already know all about their well-timed reversals on drone strikes and Guanatanamo, but the DOJ’s snooping on the AP opens up a new area for polling. How do they feel about the Unicorn Prince rifling through reporters’ phone bills in the interest of punishing a leaker? That sounds like something Darth Cheney might do. Surely rank-and-file Democrats can’t fail to notice and react accordingly.

Or can they?

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The second data set there is even more telling than the first. The more Democrats know about the story, the more they support the administration’s snooping; this isn’t a simple case, in other words, of uninformed partisans reflexively giving a pollster whichever answer they think benefits their side. No doubt the GOP (and maybe even the indie) numbers would also be different if the president was a Republican, but that’s life in a tribal, partisan political world. Why did Democrats ever think they were above it?

Just to twist the knife a bit, which liberal leading light wrote the following left-of-Democratic sentences? “The Justice Department’s seizure of the AP’s phone records shows that this administration cares far more about power than political and civil liberty. It has intruded on the freedom of the press in ways that the allegedly power-hungry Bush Administration would never have dreamed.” Glenn Greenwald? Not exactly.


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Democrats think government power is best used against the “other.”

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Good Little Appartchiks.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Really. Romney was right.

tomas on May 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

hypocrisy, thy name is dems…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Really. Romney was right.

tomas on May 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Yep – he was just too nice about it.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

As I type this, the much maligned (by idiots on this site) Kirsten Powers is on Fox News destroying Obama over the Rosen scandal.

AP, you owe it to your fans and Kirsten to put up the video.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Trollcott ?
I know they are getting ready :O

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Pew: Plurality of Democrats support DOJ’s phone-records dragnet against the Associated Press while GOP, indies oppose

Dems are nothing but mindless sheep yearning for a strong dictator to tell them what to do. They really wish that Napoleon would have come back for them but they’ll be very happy to settle for a retarded Sukarno knock-off. They get an extra kick out of a third world dictator leading them. Noble savages and all …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

There is a movie called Invasion USA, a Chuck Norris actioner about 600 Communist terrorists landed from Cuba and doing terror AQ would only dream about.

In a conversation, the Soviet leader of the group was saying to his Cuban second-in-command, “Look at these Americans! Fat — and they don’t even know the nature of their own freedom.”

That is today’s liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Really. Romney was right.

tomas on May 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Yep – he was just too nice about it.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Romney went after Obama in the manner which was most likely to succeed. He didn’t have enough time after he secured the nomination to prove Obama is the charlatan we all know he is.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

It really depends on whose ox is being gored, if I may use the word.

Sometimes, Republicans don’t want press leaks.

slp on May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Nothing surprising here,

Yes there is.

It means there are no longer democrats of integrity.

It’s a pity. I used to know some.

cozmo on May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

The more Democrats know about the story, the more they support the administration’s snooping

I have to wonder about that. When they say they’re following the story, are they just reading the “AP was threatening national security” items?

malclave on May 21, 2013 at 6:54 PM

He didn’t have enough time after he secured the nomination to prove Obama is the charlatan we all know he is.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Did he have enough time to organize an effective GOTV? Did he have enough time to organize a coherent campaign? I mean, he has only been running for president for two decades.

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

It’s always been odd to me how democrats/liberals support things that, in the long run, aren’t to their benefit:

islamic terrorists
abortion
government intrusion into our lives
higher taxes

It’s really bizarre behavior.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Nothing surprising here,

Yes there is.

It means there are no longer democrats of integrity.

cozmo on May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

That’s no surprise, though. Dems have lined up behind Barky’s every anti-American, insane, stupid, criminal move since 2008. This is all old hat by now. It was clear by the middle of 2009 that there were no dems with any integrity, at all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Scratch a genuine diehard liberal, and underneath you’ll find an even more disgusting person than you imagined. Because the normal person can’t imagine the depth of their depravity.

Akzed on May 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

This could have been quite awkward if all this had come out a couple of weeks ago before the WH Correspondents Dinner thing.

rw on May 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Democrats love to oppress and suppress – the details are unimportant.

OldEnglish on May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

I am as frustrated with the most transparent administration in history as anyone here.

But on this issue I am more circumspect.

Takeaway quote:

5. Finally, just to return to item 1, note that the constitutional question is similar (though not identical) for a wide range of disclosures — and solicitations or conspiracies. If there’s a First Amendment right to solicit, aid, and conspire in leaks of classified defense information, then there’d be such a right to solicit, aid, and conspire in leaks of tax return information, leaks of attorney-client confidences, leaks of psychotherapist-patient confidences, illegal interception of cell phone conversation, illegal breakins into people’s computers, illegal rifling through people’s desks, and so on.

Rich H on May 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Scratch a genuine diehard liberal, and underneath you’ll find an even more disgusting person than you imagined. Because the normal person can’t imagine the depth of their depravity.

Akzed on May 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Who in his right mind would want to touch a liberal without a full-body condom. Or a space suit.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

“What difference, at this poi… BOOOOOOSH! … Tbagger!” said the liberal.

BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Remember when liberals told us to “question authority” and that “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?

Good times, good times.

Hayabusa on May 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Remember when liberals told us to “question authority” and that “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?

Good times, good times.

Hayabusa on May 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

You obviously misunderstood them. And they’ll be the first to tell you that, if they can’t get away from ignoring you.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Dems support this because they get all their “news” from leftist blogs, which, of course, offer the spin that makes all of this badness a-OK in their eyes.

Remember, Lefties can justify anything in their little minds, which is one of the things that makes them lefties. They are never constrained by logic.

goflyers on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Why do conservatives and true constitutionalists continue in the charade of civility?

Americans who do not support this regime had better put their affairs in order and prepare for the worst. This stinking, rotting nation has lost its’ soul and reason for being.

3Bs

PeaceAtAllCosts on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

It in their DNA. And moderate Republicans think they can change things by working with them.

oldroy on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

It’s always been odd to me how democrats/liberals support things that, in the long run, aren’t to their benefit:

islamic terrorists
abortion
government intrusion into our lives
higher taxes

It’s really bizarre behavior.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

They really think there motives are purely altruisic, without understanding the true nature of altruism.

esr1951 on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Remember The Daily Show’s “Your Race Card is Maxxed-Out”?

The Progs’ High ‘n Mighty Righteous Moral Indignation Card is expired.

Free pass for the next Republican Administration. The Left’s Moral Indignation is nothing but political hackery dressed up like it’s got somewhere to go.

de rigueur on May 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Why do conservatives and true constitutionalists continue in the charade of civility?

Americans who do not support this regime had better put their affairs in order and prepare for the worst. This stinking, rotting nation has lost its’ soul and reason for being.

3Bs

PeaceAtAllCosts on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

There is a right time for everything.

Just an idea, if you please, for your further consideration.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Romney went after Obama in the manner which was most likely to succeed. He didn’t have enough time after he secured the nomination to prove Obama is the charlatan we all know he is.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

So true. He only had four years to come up with some criticisms of Obama. I mean, besides the devastating one we heard so often in the third debate, “I agree with the president.”

My ears are still ringing from that one.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

They really think there motives are purely altruisic, without understanding the true nature of altruism.

esr1951 on May 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

The worst kind of dictator is the ‘altruistic’ one. He sleeps with a clear conscience.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Nothing surprising here,

Yes there is.

It means there are no longer democrats of integrity.

It’s a pity. I used to know some.

cozmo on May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I used to be one, until the Democrat Party left me in the late 1990′s.

And I actually know a few 2013 Democrats who haven’t consumed the Kool Aid. But they are very few, and very far between.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Truth be told, this is a tough issue. I think that the specific leak investigations at issue here are clearly government thuggery: Rosen simply scooped a White House press briefing on the same subject by a few hours, and Fast & Furious was a genuine scandal whose revelation did not endanger national security.

But that said, the Bush administration was hit with several leaks that really DID damage national security. And philosophically, I reject the argument that leaking classified information is necessary to expose government misconduct. The fact is, employees have multiple legal ways to blow the whistle on classified matters: they can go to their agency’s Inspector General or Congressional oversight committee. (That’s what happened with the Benghazi investigation, for instance.) The IG and those Congressmen are cleared to handle classified material, and are better positioned to balance the national security implications of going public than a honked-off bureaucrat.

So, as tough as it is to admit, “chilling” the media from damaging national security through gratuitous leaking is not altogether a terrible thing.

Outlander on May 21, 2013 at 7:12 PM

It’s always been odd to me how democrats/liberals support things that, in the long run, aren’t to their benefit:

islamic terrorists
abortion
government intrusion into our lives
higher taxes

It’s really bizarre behavior.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

What is especially bizarre is their support not only of Islamic terrorists, but Islam in general-considering how they treat women and gays like trash, etc.

It’s almost like a Pavlovian reflex: Christianity is automatically Bad, so Islam is automatically good, simply because it’s an alternative.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I used to be one, until the Democrat Party left me in the late 1990′s.

And I actually know a few 2013 Democrats who haven’t consumed the Kool Aid. But they are very few, and very far between.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I used to very liberal. When I started thinking about it, pulling all things into it from my education and what adults taught me all my life, liberalism stopped fitting anywhere in my life as a right thing to hold, keep, or practice.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM

He didn’t have enough time after he secured the nomination to prove Obama is the charlatan we all know he is.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Did he have enough time to organize an effective GOTV? Did he have enough time to organize a coherent campaign? I mean, he has only been running for president for two decades.

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

He ran a very good campaign which elicited a very enthusiastic response from Republicans as was evident from the size of his campaign rallies. No doubt the GOTV effort would have been better if Palin had not prolonged the Primary with her idiotic encouragement of a brokered convention in the moronic hope that she would be chosen as the nominee.

There isn’t enough data available to discern what the outcome of the election would have been if the nomination had been cinched a couple of months earlier. What is clear is that the same people who bash Romney now, bashed him then and contributed to the GOP not running as good a campaign as was necessary to defeat an incumbent with the unqualified support of 90% of the media.

You Romney haters are as clueless as the Obamaphiles.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Yep. Kinda like Obama himself. Shudders.

esr1951 on May 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

“What difference, at this poi… BOOOOOOSH! … Tbagger!” said the liberal.

BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Sounds like you been pursuing the Proggie blogs a bit.

… on second thought, it doesn’t take that much to come across that increasing lame and desperate defense of the Dear Liar..

Galt2009 on May 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

One has to wonder if he truly has a passion for keeping executive power in check, he hasn’t been more vocal and demanding of accountability for the actual deeds under Bush/Cheney as he is for the wildly absurd hypothetical ones under Obama.
 
verbaluce on March 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

rogerb on May 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Because Palin?

You are extra special. I made the unfortunate decision to donate time and treasure to Romney, not because I was at all for him, but 100% against bat face.

Keep Beliebing Mittler Youth Captain.

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

This is why I say payback is gonna be a sweet beitch, non negotiable Progs, this poll just shows how truly diseased you are and you all will pay….one way or the other. Anybody have known Progressives working at your companies or know of company owners that hire known Progs? Yeah, me neither and my decision is in perpetuity.

Tangerinesong on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

rogerb on May 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM

He’s just another liberal clone, cookie-cutter. With replicative fading.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Ah….I see.

Its the liberals outside of the MSM that think its a good idea to spy on liberals who are the MSM…is that it?

Communism is great…..until it happens to you.

BobMbx on May 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Guess the “Press” picked the wrong side for their friends. The press should never be friends with pols, but do their jobs as watchdogs, not lapdogs.

IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Remember when liberals told us to “question authority” and that “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?

Good times, good times.

Hayabusa on May 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

That’s only when they aren’t in power – then it switches over to don’t question our authority.

BTW, not to nit-pick, but I do really wish that people would stop using that ‘L’ word that flatters those authoritarian Statists with the false impression they are in favor of liberty (both ‘l’ words have the same root meaning)

Leftists have shown themselves to be the authoritarian they’ve always been – they just used to have to hide it.

Now that their hold on power is threatened by the concept of Liberty and freedom, they cannot stand those ideas.

Remember: ‘Liberalism’ is the Left’s first and Foremost LIE

Galt2009 on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Told you, often, and will repeat – leftists are never for liberty, freedom, democracy, equality…just for power.

They are eternal tyrants who claim to be liberal and progressive. Never call them liberal or progressive. They don’t have the gene.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

It’s always been odd to me how democrats/liberals support things that, in the long run, aren’t to their benefit:

It’s really bizarre behavior.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

islamic terrorists = Free Mumia. Most don’t know who he is, but its cool to say it.

abortion = adult behavior without without adult consequences.

government intrusion into our lives = until it hits them personally, then its “the man” trying to get them.

higher taxes = most libs don’t pay them, so why not?

BobMbx on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Remember: ‘Liberalism’ is the Left’s first and Foremost LIE

Galt2009 on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

They need a motto that tells the truth…

Liberalism — preserving liberty by destroying it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:35 PM

This could have been quite awkward if all this had come out a couple of weeks ago before the WH Correspondents Dinner thing.

rw on May 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Not really, it could have given the REB bunches of great material for jokes.

He has joked about IRS tax audits before.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

AND YET, we’re supposed to trust them with border enforcement and our healthcare???

Brilliant.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Libtards:
2008 old and busted: ZOMG warrantless wiretaps!!1!0ne!
2013 new hotness: I’m totally cool w/ that!

Grimpond on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Simple answer is he is black. If you then point out that fewer blacks are doing well under his wat h, that he has fewer blacks in his cabinet, that median income haz gone down for black families they will answer he is black. You cannot reason with these willfully ignorant and willfully self-defeating libs. At this point all we can do is hope that enough conservarives, repubs, and indys can get folks elected to combat these fools. The deck is pretty stacked against us. I hope someday we can return this in spades. I cant wait for repubs to use the irs against leftist groups, defunf planned parenthood, load the courts with ultra right wing judges etc…

neyney on May 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Of course they think it is fine if the OTHER guy is targeted. The OTHER guy is evil and deserves it.

The problem with aiding and abetting the regimes who are rooting out “evil” is that about the time they run out of “other people’s money” they run out of OTHERS to put up against the wall.

Lily on May 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM

So who really are the socialists, anarchists, commies, “progressives” and the real Jack Booted thugs?

Now we all know…power to the proletariat Dems.

Congratulations for splitting America in half…it’s the beginning of 1861 all over again. Deja vu anyone?

Twana on May 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

It’s always been odd to me how democrats/liberals support things that, in the long run, aren’t to their benefit:

islamic terrorists
abortion
government intrusion into our lives
higher taxes

It’s really bizarre behavior.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

What is especially bizarre is their support not only of Islamic terrorists, but Islam in general-considering how they treat women and gays like trash, etc.

It’s almost like a Pavlovian reflex: Christianity is automatically Bad, so Islam is automatically good, simply because it’s an alternative.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM

It’s not really hard to understand. If a policy is bad for the country and economy, the left is reflexively for it. Their number one enemy has always been the US. It explains how a party that hates Christian conservatives enthusiastically supports Islamic theocrats and how the party of science can support the global warming hoax.

Doomberg on May 21, 2013 at 8:14 PM

It’s been awhile since we’ve seen a wedge issue on the left with some traction.

This one separates the MSM, who are not happy about this, from the rabid lefties who enthusiastically support anything Dear Leader says and does.

It also separates the rabid lefties from the ACLU faction. And from the Dems who like the MSM the way it is, such as the ones who love to leak info to their favorite left wing hacks.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Remember: ‘Liberalism’ is the Left’s first and Foremost LIE

Galt2009 on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

They need a motto that tells the truth…

Liberalism — preserving liberty by destroying it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Yes, that could be one way they might say that – IF they were to be honest for once.

But if they were honest, they wouldn’t be Leftists..

Galt2009 on May 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

As I type this, the much maligned (by idiots on this site) Kirsten Powers is on Fox News destroying Obama over the Rosen scandal.

AP, you owe it to your fans and Kirsten to put up the video.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I wonder if Kirsten Powers voted for Obama. Twice.

ddrintn on May 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM

^ And would vote for him a third time if she had the chance. That’s why she’s maligned.

ddrintn on May 21, 2013 at 9:47 PM