White House knew of IRS scandal “weeks ago”

posted at 9:21 am on May 20, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

We first heard  last week that the chief White House counsel knew for weeks about the IRS practice of targeting conservatives, when Lanny Davis called for the resignation of Kathryn Ruemmler – if she didn’t notify Barack Obama of it when she first learned it.  At the time, Davis wrote that “several reporters” had tipped him off to Ruemmler’s knowledge of the practice.  Now the Wall Street Journal and NBC’s Chuck Todd both report that the top lawyer in the White House did indeed know about the scandal for weeks before it broke publicly:

The White House’s chief lawyer learned weeks ago that an audit of the Internal Revenue Service likely would show that agency employees inappropriately targeted conservative groups, a senior White House official said Sunday.

That disclosure has prompted a debate over whether the president should have been notified at that time.

In the week of April 22, the Office of the White House Counsel and its head, Kathryn Ruemmler, were told by Treasury Department attorneys that an inspector general’s report was nearing completion, the White House official said. In that conversation, Ms. Ruemmler learned that “a small number of line IRS employees had improperly scrutinized certain…organizations by using words like ‘tea party’ and ‘patriot,’ ” the official said.

President Barack Obama said last week he learned about the controversy at the same time as the public, on May 10, when an IRS official revealed it to a conference of lawyers. The president’s statement drew criticism, focusing attention on his management style and whether he has kept himself sufficiently informed about the agencies under his authority.

Todd updates NBC viewers, and hints at the real question:

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The real question is similar to that facing Douglas Shulman and Steve Miller at the IRS.  If the chief counsel there knew about the targeting in August 2011, would he have left the top executive in the organization in the dark?  Would the top lawyer neglect to tell the executive for months about wrongdoing in the agency, especially when the top executives prepared for testimony to Congress and the topic was likely to arise?  That seems very, very doubtful, and if the counsel testifies that Shulman and Miller had been informed of it, both could end up facing criminal charges and years in prison.

The stakes are less high for Obama, but the same question applies.  How could the top White House lawyer sit on the knowledge that the IRS had targeted the President’s political opponents without informing the President?  Answer: Either Ruemmler was incredibly incompetent or the White House is lying about when Obama knew of the scandal. We got a big hint in last week’s press conference that it’s the latter, when Obama changed the context of a question about his awareness of the scandal to his awareness of the IG report, which is pointedly not the same thing.

Stay tuned.

Addendum: Maybe Ruemmler didn’t bother to let Obama know because she figured he already knew.  Jeffrey Lord at American Spectator finds a little circumstantial evidence that might explain the timing of the IRS efforts to target the Tea Party:

According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.

In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

The NTEU is the 150,000 member union that represents IRS employees along with 30 other separate government agencies. Kelley herself is a 14-year IRS veteran agent. The union’s PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

Putting IRS employees in the position of actively financing anti-Tea Party candidates themselves, while in their official positions in the IRS blocking, auditing, or intimidating Tea Party and conservative groups around the country.

At the least, it seems awfully coincidental.

Update: Hot Air reader and Twitter follower MStevensG8r suggests this clip each time the White House and/or Obama himself claims to have just found out about something the administration did from the newspapers:

This probably goes with Bob Schieffer’s “dumb and dumber” blast at the administration better, but I’d rather feature it here first.

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Go with door #2 Monty

Liars!

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

The stakes are less high for Obama, but the same question applies. How could the top White House lawyer sit on the knowledge that the IRS had targeted the President’s political opponents without informing the President? Answer: Either Ruemmler was incredibly incompetent or the White House is lying about when Obama knew of the scandal.

Incompetence is no excuse. If Obama truly was in the dark about this(he wasn’t, but let’s play along), there better be mass resignations throughout his administration and the IRS.

Doughboy on May 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM

The Blaze: Charles Krauthammer on Friday said the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative organizations could be “fatal” for the Obama administration if it turns out that anyone in the White House was aware of it.

petefrt on May 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

BS. The White House knew from the beginning. This is systemic throughout all agencies of the government. It is top down.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

From the 53%’ers…. “That’s all irrelevant so long as my check arrives on the first of the month”

bsinc1962 on May 20, 2013 at 9:31 AM

This is just a trial balloon to give them a few more days to shred and cover on all issues. It’s like dealing with the Iranians. Make up some BS story – get more time to do what you need to do.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:31 AM

The American spectator piece deserves its own thread with a picture of a nuclear bomb mushroom cloud.

It suggests that Obama didn’t just know about it, he personally instigated IRS targeting of tea party groups. Obama’s executive order giving more power to unions in how the IRS functions and all those meetings with Colleen Kelley — head of the IRS employee union — immediately followed by the targeting of the tea party groups is pretty damning. I am not sure how Dems are going to dodge this one.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

At the least, it seems awfully coincidental.

And very clever. Perhaps Obama and the NTEU were using a “covert communications plan” to facilitate an attack on conservative organizations.

But I’m sure it’s one the FBI doesn’t want to know about.

Curtiss on May 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

As of right now, every single time the White House or even better, Obama says they knew nothing, ab-so-lute-ly nothing about any of these things the IRS was doing, this well-worn, time-honored proverb should be quoted again and again and again!

A FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD ON DOWN!

pilamaye on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

BS. The White House knew from the beginning. This is systemic throughout all agencies of the government. It is top down.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Of course it is and everybody knows it. But you can’t admit that and stay in power so we have rogue self-radicalized IRS agents taking it on themselves to provide “bad customer service” to targeted groups.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Obama knew what IRS was doing all along. He knew it had become a scandal when it hit the press. I bet he views the press betrayal as the real scandal.

flyfisher on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

White House knew of IRS scandal “weeks ago

Obviously these people don’t know what they’re talking
about…the President assured everyone he leared about it
like us “regular folk” did by hearing it on the news last week.

ToddPA on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The American spectator piece deserves its own thread with a picture of a nuclear bomb mushroom cloud.

It suggests that Obama didn’t just know about it, he personally instigated IRS targeting of tea party groups. Obama’s executive order giving more power to unions in how the IRS functions and all those meetings with Colleen Kelley — head of the IRS employee union — immediately followed by the targeting of the tea party groups is pretty damning. I am not sure how Dems are going to dodge this one.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Scandal negotiation. If something really bad is reported, just admit to something not quite as bad – “White House counsel knew weeks ago.”

Can a lawyer in the bunch explain how telling the counsel isn’t the same thing as telling the President? Isn’t that one ans the same? Like communicating with another party’s lawyer on a legal matter? And does anybody really think that he wasn’t involved with this from the get go?

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Obama knew what IRS was doing all along. He knew it had become a scandal when it hit the press. I bet he views the press betrayal as the real scandal.

flyfisher on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I’ll bet the sissy-boy has got some real self-esteem issues because the press won’t take his word for it. I’d bet there were tears.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Crickets chirping on the log sheet
Nothing to see here

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Either Mr. Obama is terribly detached and has yet to figure out the job requirements for President or he is lying. You choose.

Everybody around him knew weeks ago, but he didn’t? You’ll forgive me if that’s extraordinarily hard to fathom.

Marcus Traianus on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Old and Busted: Gun Control

New Hotness: SMOKING Gun Control

That American Spectator article is quite a read.

Naturally Curly on May 20, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I could very easily see Barry hearing the IRS union head out, and giving a non-verbal agreement.

He despised the Tea Party movement by that point and has always followed the union’s leads.

Personally, what I would love to see is most of his cabinet decimated and make him spend the rest of the year trying to rebuild.

Odds are looking like, Barry will never turn this around in time.

If that’s the case, then he’ll want to handpick the next Dem nominee, and it won’t be Hillary, because by the time Benghazi unravels, Team Barry will have sold her out.

budfox on May 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Obama: “Okay, I admit I was the one who ordered the IRS to harass Tea Party groups, but I didn’t find out about it until I read the news story last week.”

The Rogue Tomato on May 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

President Sgt. Schultz at least knows his lines for this take of the bungler show.

“I know nothing, nothing” I the best Harvard law language.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

At this point………there is NOTHING this Administration could not get away with.

And Chuck Todd would support it.

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

pilamaye on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

It’s a fish rots from head down.

budfox on May 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

and so would most Americans.

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.

At the least, it seems awfully coincidental.

One of the first things I learned in criminal investigations is that when a given group of people are engaged in a systematic pattern of lawbreaking, there are very few “coincidences”. Rather, it’s more likely collusion.

A meeting such as this, between a CEO and a subordinate manager, after which lower-level subordinates began systematically violating, say, accounting principles, would be considered sufficient prima facie evidence to call the CEO and subordinate manager before a Grand Jury, separately, to testify under oath as to exactly what was discussed at that meeting.

Kelley needs to be subpoenaed. Now.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

IRS In Cincinnati: “Everything Comes From The Top; There Has To Be A Directive”

“We’re not political,’’ said one determinations staffer in khakis as he left work late Tuesday afternoon. “We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . . . That’s why there are so many people here who are flustered. Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.”

lynncgb on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

both could end up facing criminal charges and years in prison.

Only if Holder’s DoJ prosecutes them.

gonnjos on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

I think it’s time for a special prosecutor.

NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Putting the head of the IRS union under oath before a House committee to talk about his 3/31/10 chat with Obama should be about as bad a PR debacle for the Democrats as Miller’s testimony last week was, if Kelley exhibits the same sort of forthcoming attitude. Also having the IRS union and IRS management conspiring together against small political Tea Party groups also isn’t going to boost overall trust in the agency to handle you’re regular taxes, let alone maintain privacy about your health care information.

jon1979 on May 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

In the best Harvard law language.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Everybody around him knew weeks ago, but he didn’t? You’ll forgive me if that’s extraordinarily hard to fathom.

Marcus Traianus on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Or if true, where are the firings? If I’m in charge of one-third of the government and nobody around me is telling me anything about anything and it has led to scandal after scandal….. More than a few people are going to be losing their jobs. The sum total out of the IRS scandal was that one guy started retirement two weeks earlier than planned. The partisan whore that seems most culpable actually got more than $100K in bonuses and was prometed to be in charge of the IRS enforcement of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

And Chuck Todd would support it.

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

If you watched that entire clip, Todd’s production crew lined up Barry’s Moorehouse speech deliberately to take a shot at him.

Todd pulled Barry’s one sentence about learning you can’t always blame other people, and you have to take responsibility for your decisions.

budfox on May 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Can we confirm that the White House has stopped targeting these groups? How do we know they’re not using the IRS to sabotage the 2014 elections at this very moment?

JimLennon on May 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

This makes it all fit together. His going after the SCOTUS for the ruling, his anti tea party craziness, the fact that the IRS employees thought they were covered and this all came from the top.

This needs to be investigated. If found true, Obama should be impeached.

aniptofar on May 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Remember, now — There is nothing to this, it was the right thing to do when it happened ever though it never happened, and we’re all just a bunch of conspiracy theorists politicizing a non-issue.

Liam on May 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

“We’re not political,’’ said one determinations staffer in khakis as he left work late Tuesday afternoon. “We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . . . That’s why there are so many people here who are flustered. Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.”

lynncgb on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

No sir, you knew what was going on. You couldn’t see a pattern when the Barak H. Obama foundation gets exempt status approved in 30 days and close to three years after submitting a request you’re asking the content of a Pro-life group’s prayers? You people aren’t flustered you’re upset that you got caught because you know as well as anybody you all are the most expendable when it comes to scapegoating.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

White House knew of IRS scandal “weeks ago”

By “weeks”, F. Chuck Todd means “years”.

Steve Eggleston on May 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Yepper pappy

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Of course it is and everybody knows it. But you can’t admit that and stay in power so we have rogue self-radicalized IRS agents taking it on themselves to provide “bad customer service” to targeted groups.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I guess “self-radicalized” is the Official ObamiNation Phrase of 2013.

Steve Eggleston on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Special prosecutor now

No more pussy footing

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM

By “weeks”, F. Chuck Todd means “years”.

Steve Eggleston on May 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Yes, they initiated the action. The folks in Cincy are saying that, too.

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM

JimLennon on May 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I’ve wondered the same.
There’s always the chance that they dare not, now that the light is on, but who knows ??
It will be very interesting how the press, and praps even the regime, will react to the TeaParty’s planned protests on Tues.

We high-info folks have no problem understanding that Preezy never needed to ORDER these shenanigans, knowing he had so many sycophants panting at the ready to carry out his every wish.

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Irrelevant.

Good Lt on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Obama was “self-radicalized”.

Mimzey on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOu5m0xWRs

mentira lo que dice
mentira lo que da
mentira lo que hace
mentira lo que va
(la mentira….)

Kenosha Kid on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

US Grant or Nixon?

mjbrooks3 on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Don’t forget folks, the REB signed an Executive Order allowing greedy-union management to take part in IRS decision-making processes and keeping those processes from FOIA.

This scam is being run by greedy-union management, not the traditional management.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I am not sure how Dems are going to dodge this one.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Wait a bit and HAL, NP, LFOD and the other trolls will let you know.

chemman on May 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

So Eric Cantor knew of Patraeus’ affair (and national security risk), Issa knew about an ongoing investigation at IRS (informed by Treasury), both before the election. Who ordered them to “Stand down” and withhold that info?

¥ spit double spit ¥

can_con on May 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

James Taranto ‏@jamestaranto 1m
.@EJDionne has it exactly backward. This is not a crisis of democracy, it’s a crisis of authority. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-political-dysfunctions-spells-trouble-for-democracies/2013/05/19/757fedba-bf28-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

Rovin on May 20, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Creative definition of “weeks”. Kind of like an alternative universe type of thing.

acyl72 on May 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Not optimal.

bazil9 on May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Oh, geeze, forgot about that.
Is that in the above topic post, and I missed it ?
Any linky for this crazy-busy lady ?

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Let’s look at the reality of the situation:

First of all, the Dear Liar put in place people to do his bidding that have his authoritarian Statist mindset, and in turn those folks put in place other like minded people down line.

Second, the Dear Liar “Opened Sourced” this abuse of power by openly calling for scrutiny of these Patriotic groups.

Bottom line: The Dear Liar didn’t need to call his people and order this, he made a speech to like minded people and they set to work.

Galt2009 on May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

This scam is being run by greedy-union management, not the traditional management.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Not exactly. Yes, the union management knew what was going on and helping with the orchestration. But the IRS commissioner, the head of the Department, and the woman in charge of non-profit determination all were co-conspirators too.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Can a lawyer in the bunch explain how telling the counsel isn’t the same thing as telling the President? Isn’t that one ans the same? Like communicating with another party’s lawyer on a legal matter? And does anybody really think that he wasn’t involved with this from the get go?

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM

It is. The relationship between an attorney and his/her client is one of agent-principal. Although there are exceptions, an agent’s knowledge that is within the scope of his/her duties generally is imputed to his/her principal, in this case the president.

Syzygy on May 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Oh, geeze, forgot about that.
Is that in the above topic post, and I missed it ?
Any linky for this crazy-busy lady ?

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

The EO is covered very well in the American Spectator article in the addendum to Ed’s article above.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Can we confirm that the White House has stopped targeting these groups? How do we know they’re not using the IRS to sabotage the 2014 elections at this very moment?

JimLennon on May 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

That’s the real long-term damage the Obama regime has inflicted with this scandal. No one right-of-center in this nation will ever trust the IRS(and quite possibly the entire federal government) again. Anytime someone who leans conservative is audited, in their mind they’ll be wondering if it’s entirely political in nature.

Doughboy on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

I think it’s time for a special prosecutor.

NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Who’s going to appoint one? DOJ? Senate? There is not enough integrity in either to fill a thimble let alone bite the bullet and appoint a special prosecutor.

chemman on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Chuck Todd is just another paranoid wingnut.

forest on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Don’t forget folks, the REB signed an Executive Order allowing greedy-union management to take part in IRS decision-making processes and keeping those processes from FOIA.

Wait…what? Where can I find this info?

Mimzey on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Merci beaucoup … sorta catching HA onthe fly, today.

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Morning B9

:)

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Can we confirm that the White House has stopped targeting these groups? How do we know they’re not using the IRS to sabotage the 2014 elections at this very moment?

JimLennon on May 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Yes. This is much deeper than and ordinary scandal. This strikes at the heart if our election process. The US has experienced smooth transition of power between administrations, even when the different parties are strongly opposed to one another, because the losing party has always accepted that elections are the final word, and they will have another chance in 4 years. However, if one party proves that the incumbent used the IRS to sway the election, but then the Senate refuses to remove that person from office… I am afraid to even finish that sentence.

Anyway, they better get Colleen Kelley’s testimony on the record before she has an unfortunate medical mishap or her car spontaneously combusts.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Top of the morning to you,
CMS. :)
Rock on

bazil9 on May 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Don’t forget folks, the REB signed an Executive Order allowing greedy-union management to take part in IRS decision-making processes and keeping those processes from FOIA.

Wait…what? Where can I find this info?

Mimzey on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Go read the American spectator article linked in Ed’s original post.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I could very easily see Barry hearing the IRS union head out, and giving a non-verbal agreement. [...]

He despised the Tea Party movement by that point and has always followed the union’s leads.

budfox on May 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

“Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink.”

Makes you wonder if the suggestion came from the union to Barky, or the other way around? Either way, yet another indication of how terrible an idea having civil-service employees unionized is.

That these “folks” are the enforcement arm of Obamacare is chilling.

bofh on May 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

“Executive Privilege” keeps coming to mind.

tru2tx on May 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Talking points, the narrative, etc…

- Scandal? What scandal?

- Just because it was wrong it doesn’t mean it was illegal.

- Some low level lone wolf IRS agents did this all on their own without the approval or knowledge of management.

- IRS and admin bigwigs are only guilty of poor management of misguided renegade underlings.

- There was no political motivation.

- These things can happen. It’s almost impossible to keep track of every little thing low level bureaucrats are doing, because the government is so big.

- The President had no knowledge of this until very recently. He is outraged.

And so on and so forth…

I’ve probably missed a few.

They are basically following the Benghazi script, but trying to do a better job of denying and stonewalling this time.

Questions…

- How much will the MSM help the admin out this time? Like some HA trolls most probably don’t really have a problem with the IRS targeting right-wing Tea Party type counter-revolutionaries. Though they would never explicitly say that.

- How much will the American people care? Will they support the appointment of a special prosecutor/investigator? Because without that appointment the IRS will drag the House investigation out forever.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM

White House knew of IRS scandal “weeks ago”

A few day, a few weeks… What does it matter at this point anyway? – WH Stonewall Brigade spokesperson.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM

If you go after this, you fall into their trap, accepting O’s claim of not knowing the IRS tactic when it happened.

Why do you people keep doing this? You can’t be so naive.

I think O camp directed the IRS to do this.

vnohara on May 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Why does the IRS need a union? Do they have horrible working conditions?

monalisa on May 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

“Will no one rid me of this turbulent press?” – Il Duce

workingclass artist on May 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Audit THIS! Tea Party groups to protest at IRS offices nationwide on Tuesday
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/05/19/audit-this-tea-party-groups-to-protest-at-irs-offices-nationwide-on-tuesday/

Don’t stand down. Stand up and let the IRS know we won’t roll over. Tuesday. At your local IRS office. Be there.

On behalf of Tea Party, Patriot groups, 9/12, liberty activists, and the American people, we are calling for anyone and everyone to protest the IRS’ complete abuse of power on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at noon local time.

Galt2009 on May 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

I think it’s time for a special prosecutor.

NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Who’s going to appoint one? DOJ? Senate? There is not enough integrity in either to fill a thimble let alone bite the bullet and appoint a special prosecutor.

chemman on May 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Ooh! Ooohhh! Ohh! I know this one, Alec!

Is the answer “Who is John Boehnor”?
No?

bofh on May 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

In Washington, as in the Mafia, nothing, absolutely nothing, ever happens as a coincidence.

TXUS on May 20, 2013 at 10:25 AM

BO not only knew about it, but quite clearly initiated it.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

HA had a headline thread on President Fascist McChoomer’s Executive Order a couple days ago: Meet the Partisan Union Behind the Partisan IRS

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

BO not only knew about it, but quite clearly initiated it.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Yep.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

…In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

Obamacare passed March 21, 2010, ten days before this meeting.

Just another coincidence, right? There sure are a lot of coincidentally politically expedient coincidences occurring in this admin. I guess that in itself is just another coincidence.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Anyone else unable to link to the Spectator article? Can’t get there from an Ipad nor Windows based laptop.

CTSherman on May 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM

This whole thing smells to Obama,Holder,Pelosi and Reid…with various low level toadies…

workingclass artist on May 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Anyone else unable to link to the Spectator article? Can’t get there from an Ipad nor Windows based laptop.

CTSherman on May 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Still good here. Try knocking off the ‘print’ at the end.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Let’s face it … he gave his approval when he condemned the SCOTUS for Citizen’s United, publically, at the State of the Union address.

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Lies beget more lies and cover-ups beget more cover-ups. It won’t be hard to get to the truth. That Pfieffer guy sounded ridiculous on the Sunday shows, especially when he said the law was “irrelevant” on This Week. And that Bush appointee line is getting old. Who cares if he was a Bush appointee, throw him in jail too. The TEA Party wasn’t even around until Obama was elected.

lea on May 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I’m sorry, but I find it much more likely that not only did the White House counsel inform Obama, but did it weeks ago. And like any four year caught in the act, Obama cast around for a plausible excuse to explain why he hadn’t done anything about it. And thus… he lied. He lied to give himself time to figure out how to cap this. And so now the White House Counsel looks like an incompetent moron – but only because her immediate boss IS one.

eyesights on May 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

This whole thing smells to Obama,Holder,Pelosi and Reid…with various low level toadies…

Sure, and when they’ve got the LSM for cover to abet them in their schemes, and a pathetic GOP either in cahoots, sitting idly by or doing no more than complaining and conducting impotent investigative committee hearings why not go for it, who’s gonna stop them?

hawkeye54 on May 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

This is starting to look like a “water torture” sort of scandal, with every few days bringing forth some new “man, I sure didn’t see that coming!” sort of revelation. The WH is going to find themselves consumed by the process of this whole mess, even if it never leads directly to them, unless they can find a way to short circuit the weeks and months of investigations ahead. To do that, I think at this stage they’d practically have to invite the House GOP to launch a joint process and that, obviously, will never happen.

If the President is a bitter Bulworth today, wait’ll he has to sit and watch the freezing of the Marxist takeover in bureaucratic investigative inertia. It’ll drive him batty.

MTF on May 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Answer: Either Ruemmler was incredibly incompetent or the White House is lying about when Obama knew of the scandal.

Actually, there’s a third option which I think is likely given Obama’s disappearance during Benghazi. He knows these things are being done in general and wants them done but wants to be kept out of the details loop so he can say stuff like “Golly, I just found out by reading it in the paper”. He can deny knowledge and not be lying (technically). Call it “manufactured deniability”.

jnelchef on May 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM

American Spectator’s site is down?

hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

I’d bet since this IRS thing is heating up we’ll see somebody get thrown under the Benghazi bus in the near future to distract.

Problem with that is that at some point the US media has to report what the rest of the world has been reporting since August of last year: Libyan weapons went to Syria. And many, many, many “rebel”, “militia”, and terrorist organizations all over North Africa and the Middle-East were armed with Libyan weapons because we had no plan to deal with the weapons once Quackadaffy was gone.

It’s all tied together – all of the scandals. They are all the same topic. It wouldn’t have mattered if John Edwards, or Joe Biden, or Hillary was President. They all would have done the same smart-power thing.

Of course we were told Obama was the smartest and most competent of them all. So I guess we got the best that the Democrat Party could offer.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Leakers all over the place on every topic. All “low level.” :)

a capella on May 20, 2013 at 11:18 AM

The question is does the current WH counsel want to go down in flames and possibly face jail time to save Obama’s hide? Especially since he may not survive even if she protects him?

txmomof6 on May 20, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Knowing how to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel would be a huge chalange to these fools.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The American spectator piece deserves its own thread with a picture of a nuclear bomb mushroom cloud.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Dittos.

petefrt on May 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

National journal now calling for special prosecutor to save dear leaders behind

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

National journal now calling for special prosecutor to save dear leaders behind

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

This is all OK because Hill and Bill did this same thing years ago and got away with it.

oldroy on May 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM

American Spectator’s site is down?

hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Looks that way.

petefrt on May 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM

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