Nonprofit tea-party chief: I’ve been hassled not just by the IRS but by the FBI, ATF, and OSHA

posted at 2:41 pm on May 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Right Scoop, a video companion to Jillian Kay Melchior’s must-read today at NRO about the Kafkaesque government gauntlet run by “True the Vote,” a nonprofit devoted to training people to be election monitors. Why might an org like that attract federal scrutiny? Catherine Engelbrecht, the group’s founder, thinks it’s because she’s an active tea partier who founded another nonprofit devoted to discussing “personal and economic freedoms” known as — ta da — King Street Patriots. The “P word” was, of course, on the IRS’s list of verboten nonprofit names whose applications for tax exemption needed extra scrutiny. So far, so bad. What’s unusual about Engelbrecht’s story is that the government’s interest in King Street Patriots seemingly bled over into scrutiny of True the Vote and even the Engelbrechts’ family business, with Texas state environmental regulators eventually roped in because they received a mysterious “complaint” from someone about the business’s HQ. You need to read Melchior’s piece to grasp the extent of it; three years later, King Street Patriots and True the Vote still have yet to receive nonprofit approval from the IRS. And pay attention to what Kevin Williamson rightly flags as a key subplot, namely the ability of federal and state regulators to find costly infractions even among a well run, reputable business. If the state wants to make your life difficult, there’s a galaxy of laws out there it can use to do it. The process, as Mark Steyn says, is the punishment.

Three points. One, very broadly: If the IRS’s big problem circa 2010 was that it was overwhelmed with nonprofit applications (or so the agency falsely claims), why did that lead to unusually onerous demands for information? The typical government response to unmanageable workloads is to cut corners, yet the agency ended up asking Engelbrecht to send them copies of every Facebook post and Tweet that she ever sent, amid hundreds of other questions. That’s odd, no? You would think the big scandal to come out of a glut of tax-exempt petitions is that those petitions were being approved unusually quickly and with little scrutiny. Instead the opposite happened. Go figure. Two, obviously: Have any other conservative nonprofit chiefs found themselves targeted by multiple federal agencies? Nothing would surprise me at this point, but unless I missed a big story, Engelbrecht’s the only person talking — right now — about systemic scrutiny after filing for nonprofit status. Third: What’s going on in this passage in Melchior’s story?

In July 2010, Catherine filed with the IRS seeking tax-exempt status for her organizations. Shortly after, the troubles began.

That winter, the Federal Bureau of Investigation came knocking with questions about a person who had attended a King Street Patriots event once. Based on sign-in sheets, the organization discovered that the individual in question had attended an event, but “it was a come-and-go thing,” and they had no further information on hand about him. Nevertheless, the FBI also made inquiries about the person to the office manager, who was a volunteer.

Who were they looking for? And was that, rather than the nonprofit application, the real trigger for the feds’ subsequent inquisitiveness? Even if the mystery attendee was a criminal of some sort, that’s no reason for the ATF and OSHA to be picking through the Engelbrechts’ place of business; there’s no evidence that they’re anything but upstanding citizens. But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.


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Welcome to AmeriKa!!!

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

VDH piece:

It CAN Happen Here

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Get the names of all of those agents and sue them. Every one.

thgrant on May 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The USA is now somewhere btw. the former USSR and Russia of today.

Obama killed the last shred of moral authority for the land.

The rest of the world laughs its collective ass off, for 1001 reasons.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The shame of all of this is the brightest ideas for opposition are standing outside IRS offices with signs on Tuesday (so 2010) and holding hearings in the hope that some evidence of something prosecutable will surface (yawn).

Lame. Big time lame.

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

This is precisely the government you get when democrats have unchecked power.

tom daschle concerned on May 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Look how she’s dressed, she wanted this attention….

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Have any other conservative nonprofit chiefs found themselves targeted by multiple federal agencies?

Gibson Guitar and the closing of Republican owned GM dealerships come to mind. They weren’t nonprofits, but the template’s the same.

Weight of Glory on May 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

All of us owe thanks to this woman for having the courage to come forward. Hopefully she will inspire the many others who received similar treatment–and you just know there are legions of ‘em out there–to also speak out.

Drip, drip, drip…and very soon there is a flood.

Meredith on May 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

OT: Not sure if anyone already called this out — looks like Holder is going after James Rosen of Fox News.

dpduq on May 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

And your ever-so clever plan IS?????

Fire bombings? Riots???

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

“Why didn’t they just shoot her?” – HAL the fascist

NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

EVERYTHING ANYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THE IRS SCANDAL:

AmSpec Scoop: Obama ‘Met With Anti-Tea Party IRS Union Chief the Day Before Agency Targeted Tea Party’

BIG GOVERNMENT, like a fish, rots from the head down.

TeaPartyNation on May 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Tax-exempt Obama Foundation doesn’t exist at listed addresses

The IRS is a criminal organization.

tetriskid on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

True the Vote should have called themselves the Barak H. Obama organization for securing the vote. They would have sailed through the process.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

They should stop calling her a TEA party chief. She started True The Vote, a non-partisan group dedicated to eliminating voter fraud by organizing poll watchers. That’s what passes for one of this administration’s enemies.

Odysseus on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The government can also always find more questions to ask you. Basically the applications of Tea Party groups were stonewalled. No matter how much paperwork people filled out, there’s no way they would get approved before the election.

In fact, I’d be interested in seeing some analysis of that. How many targeted groups received their acceptance or final rejection of non-profit status before the election?

hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/president-china_554012.html?nopager=1

“Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, ‘No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao’s words in Tahrir Square.’”

gumble on May 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I hope people targeted by federal agencies come “out of the shadows” by the hundreds. A flood of government targets will find safety in the crowd and under the watchful eye of Congress. Finally.

This fish rot starts at the top with Obama. Mr. “Bring a gun to a knife fight.” Mr. “Get in their faces.” Mr. “Go after your enemies.”

Charlemagne on May 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

“Mrs. Engelbrecht, we’re from Child Protective Services. We received an anonymous report that you have been sexually abusing your own children; we are placing you under arrest.”

It can happen here. The full panoply of government agencies have become a tool of these thugs to quash dissent, they will stop at nothing to make all of us shut up.

Bishop on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Remember Gibson? GM dealers?

tom daschle concerned on May 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.

I’m curious to know how the FBI knew the attendee was even there. Did they even have the right person they’re looking into? Remember that Tea Party guy who shot up the theater in Aurora…Oh, wait! Same name, wrong suspect.

Isn’t profiling a big no-no in this country, the reason TSA has to grope grannies and toddlers far more often — to make sure they’re not targeting Middle Eastern males between the ages of 20 and 35?

And still the LSM are going to keep saying there’s nothing fishy around here.

Liam on May 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Obamanation.

Good Lt on May 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

This is precisely the government you get when democrats have anyone has unchecked power.

tom daschle concerned on May 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM

FIFY

GWB on May 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

One, very broadly: If the IRS’s big problem circa 2010 was that it was overwhelmed with nonprofit applications (or so the agency falsely claims), why did that lead to unusually onerous demands for information?

Um, and never mind “why did it manifest itself as a decidedly one-sided increase in onerous demands that falls neatly along political lines?”

The ‘overwhelmed with applications’ line is utter bullsqueeze.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

And your ever-so clever plan IS?????

Fire bombings? Riots???

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

No.

Look, the first step is to do what has been effective. What’s been effective? Nobody did a lessons learned after the first TP protests and after the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Politics happens mostly by fear and pain. That’s what the administration is doing: hurting the conservative grassroots, the supporters of the politicians who can defeat him.

Ben Nelson resigned office. How? He was embarrassed while eating a pizza.

Remember Breitbart getting in the face of the OWS crowd telling them to stop raping people?

Why aren’t TP’ers publicizing the pictures and names of the four IRS people named by the reporter at Ohio’s Fox 19?

Why do we need a nonprofit? Just give the money anyway.

What about looking for and exposing the voter fraud that happened in places around the country?

What about creating a talent registry? I have the software for it and I would donate it, but despite emailing Instapundit, the guys here at HA, Glenn Beck, Levin… none of them want to get involved in grassroots organization. Fair enough – but who then?

How do you legally punch back twice as hard?

It’s not with signs and hearings.

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

OT (kinda; it’s all pretty much related): I’m expecting a mushroom cloud from you guys pretty soon with the breaking story about FoxNews being investigated by the DoJ. With the obligatory video of Megyn Kelly being ravishingly pissed off about it all. She is definitely not someone I’d want to cross in any way. Wow.

nukemhill on May 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Don’t use Google.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Bishop on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I don’t know the solution to low level employees willingness to go along with the Leftist agenda f their bosses but it needs to be discussed. The government overwhelmingly attracts Liberals and Democrats to its ranks as conservatives are far more likely to pursue private sector careers. So we wind up with a government of, by, and for the Democrat party. Who watches the watchers?

Big Government can’t help but become politicized when its run by a single political party who regard their opposition as enemies and since they are the state, we become enemies of the state.

The government is like Skynet in that it will destroy everything that opposes it.

Charlemagne on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Ben Nelson resigned office. How? He was embarrassed while eating a pizza.

Ben Nelson never resigned from the Senate. He chose not to seek reelection.

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 3:02 PM

C’mon…it’s just some low level employees…

PatriotRider on May 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

And your ever-so clever plan IS?????

Fire bombings? Riots???

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Great question. At some point, we might all agree that standing quietly out front with signs, and holding hearings, and whining online simply don’t work anymore. I’m not suggesting fire bombing and riots, but we’re going to need to discuss what *does* need to happen next, because the old standby’s and expecting that ‘the process’ and ‘the system’ will work or take care of it simply isn’t true anymore.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet……but make sure that a family of jihadies is not investigated inspite of multiple tips !!

burrata on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.

I would be interested to know why the FBI thought the TEA party was a threat to the government and thus had to look at membership and attendance.

unseen on May 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Liberals are so cool and hip and dreamy.

John the Libertarian on May 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

OT (kinda; it’s all pretty much related): I’m expecting a mushroom cloud from you guys pretty soon with the breaking story about FoxNews being investigated by the DoJ. With the obligatory video of Megyn Kelly being ravishingly pissed off about it all. She is definitely not someone I’d want to cross in any way. Wow.

nukemhill on May 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Heh. Ed had it up at 8 this morning. You still need to include Megyn going nuclear on the DoJ though. That’s worth it’s own post all on its own.

nukemhill on May 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I would be interested to know why the FBI thought the TEA party was a threat to the government and thus had to look at membership and attendance.

unseen on May 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You’re serious? Half the Republican party thinks the TP is a threat to the government – because they are the government, don’t you know.

The intimidation has only started. What are you going to do about it?

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

We can talk all we want, no one up there is listening. Oh sure they bend an ear your way and put on their concerned face, but they aren’t really hearing what you have to say.

In a nation of laws we wouldn’t be worrying about the “timing” and “appearance” of impeachment, we would already have the Dog Eating Retard and his appointees in the dock answering some very pointed questions. We would be granting blanket legal protection to all those underlings who know the important details but who are too frightened to come forward without it.

This is insane, an entire federal government attacking its own citizens.

Bishop on May 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM

It’s becoming obvious that there is more than just an Obama-Enemies list in the IRS. There has to be a Superlist of enemies that is available to key people in EVERY federal department, and that special someone accesses the list and then somehow credibly can task enforcement actions in those groups.

This is not rogue employees, this is a hidden harrassment network that covers the Rat-Eared Bastard’s entire administration.

It’s also likely that this is run by the greedy-unions where the hardest of the hardcore progressives tend to gather.

Investigate the greedy-unions and this hidden network can be revealed.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Who were they looking for?

A reporter? They make great targets too, apparently.

butterflies and puppies on May 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Senior WH officials knew of the targeting before and were waiting for the final report to inform Obama?
Textbook case of “Plausible Deniability.” In case a crime has been committed, the higher ups are protected. Amazing.

Allahs vulva on May 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Don’t use Google.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

YES. Google played an important role in putting together the REB’s OFA GOTV effort. With the REB, Google wouldn’t bother with those pesky search warrants.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Das Leben der Anderen

jangle12 on May 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

That’s presumptuous.
You’respeaking as if those things are NOT being worked up behind the scenes.

pambi on May 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

And your ever-so clever plan IS?????

Fire bombings? Riots???

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Great question. At some point, we might all agree that standing quietly out front with signs, and holding hearings, and whining online simply don’t work anymore. I’m not suggesting fire bombing and riots, but we’re going to need to discuss what *does* need to happen next, because the old standby’s and expecting that ‘the process’ and ‘the system’ will work or take care of it simply isn’t true anymore.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Opposition research. Find out who these bureaucratic bullies are and dig up dirt on them. Like I said in another thread, let them find out what a new-media anal exam feels like.

CurtZHP on May 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So out of all of these email and phone records grabs to investigate “illegal activities” or “leaks”, do we have even one single charge against even one person?

EA_MAN on May 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Investigate the greedy-unions and this hidden network can be revealed.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

You mean people like Andy Stern and Trumka and SEIU thugs ?
Hussein doesn’t even know them donchano :O
Ofcourse Carne asada knows 3 Sterns and 5 Trumkas .

burrata on May 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Let’s party like it’s 1984!

bw222 on May 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

And your ever-so clever plan IS?????

Fire bombings? Riots???

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Great question. At some point, we might all agree that standing quietly out front with signs, and holding hearings, and whining online simply don’t work anymore. I’m not suggesting fire bombing and riots, but we’re going to need to discuss what *does* need to happen next, because the old standby’s and expecting that ‘the process’ and ‘the system’ will work or take care of it simply isn’t true anymore.

Midas on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

At some point, you run out of options, and there appears no other course but violence and bloodshed.

Sadly, we’re quickly approaching that mark. This is Paris circa 1787.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Protests scheduled all over the country at IRS offices tomorrow at noon local time. In Albuquerque it is at 5338 Montgomery 2 blocks east of San Mateo.

Rancher on May 20, 2013 at 3:31 PM

At some point, you run out of options, and there appears no other course but violence and bloodshed.

Sadly, we’re quickly approaching that mark. This is Paris circa 1787.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Well THANK YOU Bill Ayers, are you and Bernadette doing anything special this Memorial Day weekend?

You are a KNUCKLEHEAD….join the SDS/Weather Underground, meet a nice FBI informant.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Wow. Impressive.

I don’t mean her, of course, I mean how busy the alphabet of agencies has been.

This lady got a good percentage of the employers of the Hot Air trolls and electronic monitors and spies who know all of us so well!

And you thought all those LEOs and federal agents are shopping during the day, loafing or taking graduate classes while filling out phony “surveillance reports”?

I’m glad they don’t waste tax dollars!

IlikedAUH2O on May 20, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Get the names of all of those agents and sue them. Every one.

thgrant on May 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I think what is needed is a law that hold government officials (especially those working for the IRS) PERSONALLY and FINANCIALLY responsible for abusive actions against law abiding citizens.

No more using taxpayer money to pay settlements and legal fees. I’m sick and tired of these incompetent and corrupt b@stards behaving like fascists, and then sending me the bill to get them off the hook.

UltimateBob on May 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

It is more and more apparent that if you are a Democrat and you have ANY position of power you are going to be a Dem first and an American 2nd. This is a systemic abuse of power all across the Federal system. FBI, ATF, EPA, EEOC, DOJ, IRS….AND CONGRESS, SENATE, AND POTUS. At this point we need to scrutinize anyone with a D after their name or a D on their voter registration record. In other words we need to treat them the way the Obama admin treats us. It’s time for the big guns…maybe literally.

neyney on May 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If you are just getting audited & hassled by the IRS then there is a slight chance (in Hades) that it might be a coincidental targeting by ‘low-level rogue IRS agents’….

but when you are being harrassed by the FBI, ATF, OSHA, AND the IRS, it’s got ‘Obama Administration’ , ‘Enemies List’, & ‘Tyranical abuse of government’ all over it!

And the next thing that should be ‘all over’ the Obama administration is ‘IMPEACHMENT‘!

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Cossacks For Obama!

A community minded non-profit organization of course.

onomo on May 20, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Well THANK YOU Bill Ayers, are you and Bernadette doing anything special this Memorial Day weekend?

You are a KNUCKLEHEAD….join the SDS/Weather Underground, meet a nice FBI informant.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The thanks I get for forgetting a /sarc tag.

And yet, blowing up at me doesn’t solve the obvious problem at large.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:00 PM

True the Vote began as a response to ACORN voter registration fraud. That is probably the main reason they have gotten so much additional attention from this administration.
They are a very direct threat to the Dem. machine.

True The Vote began out of experiences during the 2008 election cycle of the Harris County, Texas Tea Party organization, King Street Patriots.

KSP gathered to get involved in the electoral process and came to realize that their county was the second largest voting block in Texas but saw a shortfall of poll workers that was staggering. This, they felt, invited fraud and other problems at the polls, problems that they wanted to help eliminate.

Then came the voter registration fraud case perpetrated by a member of ACORN brought to light by Catherine Engelbrecht. Harris County authorities found that some 23,000 voter registration forms turned in by the ACORN operative were invalid. Engelbrecht founded True The Vote to combat this fraud.

By Election Day, 2010 True The Vote had 1,000 poll workers trained and ready to observe the election process at Harris County polling stations. This learning experience set the stage for the larger effort soon to come.

jffree1 on May 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM

And yet, blowing up at me doesn’t solve the obvious problem at large.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:00 PM

No, but neither does suggesting foolish and counter-productive solutions….

The solution is to expose the scandals and throw the rascals out….it isn’t talking about much beyond that.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

It is just my opinion that the common link between the different agencies targeting cons. is their union affiliations. Public employees shouldn’t have unions. Period.

jffree1 on May 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

The solution is to expose the scandals and throw the rascals out….it isn’t talking about much beyond that.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

With both parties actively working against us, that solution isn’t as simple as it sounds.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

We now are officially a banana republic

Bevan on May 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

With both parties actively working against us, that solution isn’t as simple as it sounds.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Yeah, BOTH parties….whatever, dood/doodette.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

We now are officially a banana republic

Bevan on May 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Oh SOOOO true just saw my first Hugo Chavez “Long Live the Bolivarian Revolution” Poster the other day, on my way to taking hte kidz to their Komsomol meeting….

You and Myron need to get together and exchange paranoid theories.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

“Mrs. Engelbrecht, we’re from Child Protective Services. We received an anonymous report that you have been sexually abusing your own children; we are placing you under arrest.”

It can happen here. The full panoply of government agencies have become a tool of these thugs to quash dissent, they will stop at nothing to make all of us shut up.

Bishop on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

In all seriousness, about the only government entity that strikes more fear in the hearts of parents than the IRS is DYFS or CPS. Those agencies can, and do, take your kids based on nothing more than just what you suggested, an anonymous tip, with little or no actual evidence. And when they do, the burden of proof is entirely on you. You’re guilty until proven guilty. And if they don’t find any evidence the first time around, they can keep going anyway. Meanwhile, your children are buried under a mountain of foster care and red tape.

CurtZHP on May 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yeah, BOTH parties….whatever, dood/doodette.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Yes.
Both.
Parties.
Are.

Ignorant fool.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Yeah, BOTH parties….whatever, dood/doodette.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Ever heard of Karl Rove? Or Reince Priebus?

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You and Myron need to get together and exchange paranoid theories.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The only conspiracy worth noting is how the GOPe magically believes they can win elections by simply becoming socialists like the Dems.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Ever heard of Karl Rove? Or Reince Priebus?

They aren’t against the TEA Party…that’s your victimization gene speaking…no more than the Demcorats were against Tom Hayden and the McGovern Wing of the party…..

Your problem is yuo represent a MINORITY position int he GOP, and you don’t like that…

The solution isn’t carping about the “Establishment” it’s becoming the Majority/Establishment…..

Sack Up gets some votes….

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Ever heard of Karl Rove? Or Reince Priebus?

They aren’t against the TEA Party…that’s your victimization gene speaking…no more than the Demcorats were against Tom Hayden and the McGovern Wing of the party…..

Your problem is yuo represent a MINORITY position int he GOP, and you don’t like that…

The solution isn’t carping about the “Establishment” it’s becoming the Majority/Establishment…..

Sack Up gets some votes….

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

You are so blind in your loyalty to the GOPe that it is sickening.

Reince and Karl Rove both hate all tea parties, and liken them to the candidates who didn’t win. They despise insurgent candidates like Ted Cruz, Rand and Rubio when they defeat the GOPe’s hand-picked candidates (although Rubio has opened himself to be the Socialist he really is). They label them all as Sharron Angels and Todd Achin’s, and launch PACs designed to see that no insurgent candidate will ever defeat a flawed candidate or a failed congressmen/senator ever again.

I wasted my time campaigning for a sure-fire loser in Romney. I will never do that ever again. And if you consider that playing the victim card, then I kindly ask that you STFU.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I think what is needed is a law that hold government officials (especially those working for the IRS) PERSONALLY and FINANCIALLY responsible for abusive actions against law abiding citizens.

No more using taxpayer money to pay settlements and legal fees. I’m sick and tired of these incompetent and corrupt b@stards behaving like fascists, and then sending me the bill to get them off the hook.

UltimateBob on May 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

+1000

dominigan on May 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Your problem is yuo represent a MINORITY position int he GOP, and you don’t like that…

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

No, the problem is that the majority position is one antithetical to American liberty, as it’s nothing more than Democrat-lite. The problem is compromise of principles that have destroyed the once conservative party. The problem is folks saying “oh no, don’t talk paranoid conspiracy theories; you have to get votes, and you only do that by going halvesies with the socialists on the other side.”

GWB on May 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

No, but neither does suggesting foolish and counter-productive solutions….

The solution is to expose the scandals and throw the rascals out….it isn’t talking about much beyond that.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Yes, the Loyalists thought revolution was foolish too. Why don’t you go have a nice kissy fest with Michael Medved?

Nutstuyu on May 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.

Quite likely a Fed plant they can use to harass the group and get into their files. Look up Patcon operation from the 90s.

oryguncon on May 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.

The “suspect” was probably trying to run for office in a purple district and the FBI was trying to dig up some dirt on him for the Democrat candidate.

Socratease on May 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM

The solution is to expose the scandals and throw the rascals out….it isn’t talking about much beyond that.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

My god are you simplistic.

How will you expose the rascals? Did you watch Holder’s hearing? He doesn’t give one goddamn that you suspect him of things. He’s over it. You’re nobody. The press is nobody. Republicans are nobodies.

You have no clue about politics. You shouldn’t play. Unless you’re willing to get up off the couch and put your reputation on the line, you’re part of the problem.

beatcanvas on May 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I’m sure it was just a coincidence of a few rogue agents at the IRS.

And a few rogue agents at the FBI.

And a few rogue agents at the ATF.

And a few rogue agents at OSHA.

Yeah, that’s what it was. Move along people, nothing to see here.

Axion on May 20, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I wasted my time campaigning for a sure-fire loser in Romney. I will never do that ever again. And if you consider that playing the victim card, then I kindly ask that you STFU.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

What do you mean, in the PRIMARIES, well that was your mistake…Primaries are for the heart-choice….

In the GENERAL, what was your option…Vote Obama…Virgil Goode?

No, the problem is that the majority position is one antithetical to American liberty, as it’s nothing more than Democrat-lite.

Then STFU! You LOST…it’s a “democracy” and if the majority want this then too F*ckin’ bad…

Stop whining, and start changing minds….

How will you expose the rascals? Did you watch Holder’s hearing? He doesn’t give one goddamn that you suspect him of things. He’s over it. You’re nobody. The press is nobody. Republicans are nobodies.

You have no clue about politics. You shouldn’t play. Unless you’re willing to get up off the couch and put your reputation on the line, you’re part of the problem.

It’s day 11 of the F*ckin’ thing….Nixon didn’t resign on Day 11…sheesh you are the microwave popcorn generation aren’t you? Or is this the movie version of your telling of All the President’s Men? Are you Redford or Hoffman? It’s all over and done in 90-120 minutes?

Yeah I have NO CLEW about politics…I haven’t seen any ads that have “Beatcanvas” for Congress or Paid for by Beatcanvas…how about YOU SFTU, get off of YOUR keyboard and do something?

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 5:58 PM

This accusation re the ATF is extremely serious and should be followed up.

pat on May 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Let’s party like it’s 1984!

bw222 on May 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Bumper sticker of the year.

AesopFan on May 20, 2013 at 7:38 PM

The reason this is a million times more egregious than Watergate is that Watergate was the WH acting against a party (and cover up).

This scandal is the WH against private citizens(and cover up).

This is tyranny in its purest form.

Obama is the Jack-Booted-Thug-in-Chief.

esnap on May 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I wasted my time campaigning for a sure-fire loser in Romney. I will never do that ever again. And if you consider that playing the victim card, then I kindly ask that you STFU.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

What do you mean, in the PRIMARIES, well that was your mistake…Primaries are for the heart-choice….

In the GENERAL, what was your option…Vote Obama…Virgil Goode?

You have it ass-backwards.

I supported Perry… then Gingrich.. then voted Santorum in a primary protest against Romney, whom I knew could not win the general since day one of his campaign.

But YOUR kind kept pointing a gun to our head and belittled us into supporting Mitt since 2010. After he lost, YOUR side blamed US for his poor campaign and said publicly that conservatives have no place in the future of the GOP.

Then your side floats strawmen like “low-information voters” – a convenient excuse for the fact that the GOP could not and cannot emit a message that will compel its own base to vote. Romney won a majority of independent voters, but lost to Obama handily.

You sound a lot like a closet Obama voter anyway, so none of what I say will register in you pea-sized mind.

No, the problem is that the majority position is one antithetical to American liberty, as it’s nothing more than Democrat-lite.

Then STFU! You LOST…it’s a “democracy” and if the majority want this then too F*ckin’ bad…

Stop whining, and start changing minds….

Yep. By getting rid of losers like you. You are part of the problem.

How will you expose the rascals? Did you watch Holder’s hearing? He doesn’t give one goddamn that you suspect him of things. He’s over it. You’re nobody. The press is nobody. Republicans are nobodies.

You have no clue about politics. You shouldn’t play. Unless you’re willing to get up off the couch and put your reputation on the line, you’re part of the problem.

It’s day 11 of the F*ckin’ thing….Nixon didn’t resign on Day 11…sheesh you are the microwave popcorn generation aren’t you? Or is this the movie version of your telling of All the President’s Men? Are you Redford or Hoffman? It’s all over and done in 90-120 minutes?

Keep floating those distractions and non sequiters.

The duration of these scandals is not the issue. Your simplistic attitude of hating conservatives will ensure that the GOP will forever remain a minority party. But I guess you want that anyway, because losing is fun for you.

Yeah I have NO CLEW about politics…

Thank you for finally saying something that makes sense.

I haven’t seen any ads that have “Beatcanvas” for Congress or Paid for by Beatcanvas…how about YOU SFTU, get off of YOUR keyboard and do something?

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 5:58 PM

HotAirLib and libfreeordie have more class than you.

FOAD.

EOM

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

It’s a-holes like JFKY who make me not only want to officially defect from the GOPe to the Libertarians, but want to publicly encourage the destruction of the GOPe… just like the Whigs were pushed into the dustbin of history 170 years ago.

Myron Falwell on May 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

But I’d be curious to know why the FBI is sniffing around a tea-party group’s attendance sheet.

Ever hear of 18 U.S.C. Section 1001? That federal law makes is a crime to lie to federal officials. And “lie” is a very elastic word. Just by even engaging in conversation with the FBI, a person is at severe risk that they could be charged.

Example: The FBI asks them, do you know this person? They answer “No.” Later, it turns out that this woman said hello to the person the FBI is seeking. FBI interprets that as “knowing” the person, since they had met, and hence the prior statement is a lie.

Of course, that’s if you even believe the FBI these days. Do you know that it’s their practice to never record discussions/interrogations with people they’re interviewing? They only take “notes”. That way, the video can’t contradict them when they’re testifying against you in court. For your “lie”.

And as for why the FBI would do this to a person… wake the heck up. This is not the America you knew anymore. And it will probably never be, again.

Sydney Carton on May 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Why is hotgas auto refreshing?
I’ll be halfway thru a video and bam.

WTF over?

esnap on May 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Why is hotgas auto refreshing?
I’ll be halfway thru a video and bam.

WTF over?

esnap on May 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Hits man, hits. Check Firefox options to block, –Advanced, Accessibility, Warn Me…

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Sorry this comment is so delayed but in response to:
“Why didn’t they just shoot her?” – HAL the fascist
NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

My simple answer is: Because Lon Horiuchi was vacationing and wasn’t available to shoot another American woman. Now he would gladly oblige if Catherine Englebrecht were holding a Baby in her arms in similar fashion to Ruby Ridge.

Some of you may have to research this … but it is true.
So many people with very short memories.
Question: How did Janet ‘Inferno’ Reno get her association with burning women and children alive?
And now we have numerious branches of the Federal government doing WHAT EVER THE HELL THEY PLEASE. The Manure Spreading Media just sits there and snorts their coke. Just like King Putt.

Missilengr on May 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM