About those “doctored” Benghazi e-mails…

posted at 5:01 pm on May 19, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I understand that the posts today have focused a lot on the political talk show circuit, and some of the material being covered has some cross-over elements to it, so I apologize for that. But this one really does deserve a hearing of its own, particularly given the new “gotcha” talking points being foisted on the Left. We’re seeing a story being pushed by administration supporters, up to and including Democratic congressmen, claiming that the Benghazi e-mails were intentionally altered by the GOP for political purposes.

When you run into these smug, told-ya-so defenders of the White House, you should calmly point them to this article from Jonathan Strong at National Review, where this claim is firmly debunked. First, he starts out with the prime example of this talking point delivered (again) from Dan Pfeiffer on this morning’s round of talk shows.

Here’s the evidence that proves the Republicans are playing politics with this: They received these emails months ago, didn’t say a word about it, didn’t complain, confirmed the CIA director . . . right after that. And then last week, a Republican source provided to Jon Karl of ABC News a doctored version of the White House email that started this entire fury. After 25,000 pieces of paper that were provided to Congress, they have to doctor an email to make political hay, you know they’re getting desperate here.

That certainly does look like a lethal blow to critics of the administration… were it only true. As Jonathan points out, the history of these events is quite different than what’s being portrayed here. He breaks it down into four key points, of which two will be of particular interest.

Nothing was “doctored.” Following the House report, Steve Hayes of The Weekly Standard revealed a significant amount of new detail, followed by Jon Karl at ABC News. Both Hayes and Karl refer to summaries of the emails, meaning they presumably relied a great deal on the notes of those at the March 19 White House briefing. Karl inaccurately quotes from one email, which may have been based on faulty note-taking or some other error. While this is significant, the email in question exists and has the same core content as the email quoted by Karl — there was no wholesale fabrication.

The incorrect versions – and they were inaccurate quotes – were not generated by GOP operatives. They were extracted by ABC’s Jon Karl from notes taken by attendees at the original meeting when the White House refused to initially allow anyone to have copies which could have been used for full referencing. ABC went with the notes, being the closest thing anyone had to an official record, and the GOP worked off those notes. But even then, the “doctoring” wasn’t nearly as significant as the Democrats are making it out to be.

The differences between the two versions of the email have been overstated. At issue is the involvement of Ben Rhodes, a senior White House aide, in directing the various members of the inter-agency discussion to resolve their dispute.

Here’s the relevant part of the email as quoted by Karl:

We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.

Here’s the relevant sentence from the real email:

We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.

The email is important because in the preceding email back-and-forth, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland had urged that references to terrorism be removed because they could be a political liability to State. Whether Rhodes said Nuland’s objections should be accommodated explicitly or by implication is a difference, but it’s a pretty small one.

Were there differences? Yes, and we should be careful in providing an accurate record of what was written, so older versions should be expunged and replaced. But does this change the essential testimony being offered from the e-mails? Not to speak of. And what differences there are were not generated by the GOP, but by quick note taking which was picked up by Jon Karl. Just keep that in mind as the White House continues to try to squirm their way out of this.


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Where’s brainfreeordie? He was all hot bothered by this huge Republican deception. The purfesurs students are so screwed.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Divert, distract, redirect blame, admit nothing.

Next.

fogw on May 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Jazz:

Is this the additional story you promised in the WH word of the day thread?

They are doing this on purpose. They know if they can bog this down into interpretations of e-mails the vast majority of the public will stop paying attention.

It’s a strategy, and possibly a good one for the WH.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Say anything, whatever it takes. The MSM will cover for you.

petefrt on May 19, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Nothing was “doctored.” Following the House report, Steve Hayes of The Weekly Standard revealed a significant amount of new detail, followed by Jon Karl at ABC News

I wont even make a comment about Steve Hayes because he is nothing but a partisan hack. That being said Jazz, don’t tell me you are now lending credibility to Jon Karl. Same Jon Karl who is now apologizing all over the place for taking the republican doctored emails as fact? Thought you were better than that Jazz.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I wont even make a comment about Steve Hayes because he is nothing but a partisan hack. That being said Jazz, don’t tell me you are now lending credibility to Jon Karl. Same Jon Karl who is now apologizing all over the place for taking the republican doctored emails as fact? Thought you were better than that Jazz.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Go away HotAirNazi. Nobody cares what you think.

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Where are the other three days worth of emails?

Lost in Jersey on May 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

The Law is Irrelevant…

I don’t know…

I didn’t say that…

We need to focus on preventing this in the future…not looking at the past…

Political Sideshows…

What difference does it make…

The Executive Branch is being run by 7th graders.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

The Executive Branch is being run by 7th graders.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Actually, by 7th grade students are taught to respect our system of government.

These criminals hate our Bill of Rights.

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Even I never thought they would sink this low. Of course, I also thought he was going to create jobs for blacks after paying off all the typical crooks and Democrat open hands in the last administration. Oh, well..despair.

See the old Dead Parrot skit by Monte Python and any of about 200 skits on SNL.

This technique is a straw. You know, find anything the other side did wrong (even if they didn’t) to give your minions some cover. well..look! They had that fact all wrong! Well, they are messed up!

Now let us get to important things like all the jobs we don’t have. I wonder how many blacks at his speech know what a putz this man has been for them.

It is a smaller, oblique version of the “When I am hit, I just hit back harder.” credo of Hillary Clinton as written in earlier books about her.

They hope nobody notices that no counter punch was thrown or even contemplated at the terrorists after killing the four.

IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Keeping everything politically polarizing and blaming that politicization on the opposition to confuse the citizenry…classic mob enticement to mayhem.

These progressive hacks are playing a dangerous game here…

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Elect a person with no military background..
No executive experience..
But tons of experience at deceit and lying…
And what do you get?

President Milhous Obama.

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I don’t know what I was thinking. We all know what a bunch of Right wing hacks ABC news hires…

Jazz Shaw on May 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Republicans doctoring documents?

Call Dan Rather!

I think we need a TANG style letter on where the POTUS was that night.

IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM

President Milhous Obama.

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM

That is why Levin is better than Rushbo.

IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Where are the other three days worth of emails?

Lost in Jersey on May 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Undergoing extensive refurbishing.

VorDaj on May 19, 2013 at 5:24 PM

That is why Levin is better than Rushbo.

IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM

And Levin had been calling Obama this before the 2008 elections since using Obama’s middle name back then was…well..not polite.

Levin nailed it 5 years ago.

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

It seems as if the trolls have gone to ground after this last week. I guess they are hoping the Sunday chat factory will give them enough coverage that they can again assert that right-wing victims of the IRS are just being oversensitive.

My take, for what it is worth. The left’s attack on tax exempt status was a huge blow for the leftists. Nothing hits home more than taxes and when you have an ideologically driven IRS that is punishing some groups and rewarding others for their views- not even a troll can call that fair or is willing to defend it.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Where are the other three days worth of emails?

Lost in Jersey on May 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Yes, did anyone ask him that?

petefrt on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

” As NewsBusters reported two weeks ago, CBS’s Bob Schieffer is fed up with the White House’s talking points concerning what happened at our consulate in Benghazi, Libya, last September.

His impatience continued on Sunday’s Face the Nation when Obama senior advisor Dan Pfeiffer gave stock answers to questions about the three crises facing the President leading Schieffer to first accuse his guest of taking “exactly the approach that the Nixon administration took” and finally scolding him by asking, “Why are you here today? Why isn’t the White House Chief of Staff here to tell us what happened?”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/19/schieffer-obama-advisor-why-are-you-here-why-isn-t-white-house-chief#ixzz2TmBRPRKj

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I wont even make a comment about Steve Hayes because he is nothing but a partisan hack. That being said Jazz, don’t tell me you are now lending credibility to Jon Karl. Same Jon Karl who is now apologizing all over the place for taking the republican doctored emails as fact? Thought you were better than that Jazz.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

The Brown Shirt speaks.

Lol. Wonder where the outrage was when Bush used the IRS to target the NAACP? The billies were no where to be found personally when that happened.

Anyway, I will be more than happy and proud of Obama if he was behind the IRS targeting these anti USA “conservative” groups. They all need to be investigated.

HotAirLib on May 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM

If you are talking about trying to institute a universal background check that prevents crazy people from getting guns to kill us, YES i am happy with him.

If you are talking about rolling out a health care plan that hopefully will lead way to a single payer system, Yes i am happy with him.

If you are talking about instructing the IRS to target the crazy anti America tea party groups that are doing all they can to set this country back, Yes i am happy with him.

If you are talking about him firing some IRS hack to make believe he really respects the views of these irrelevant tea billies, Yes i am happy with him.

HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Fascists only know how to propagate lies and propaganda.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Where are the other three days worth of emails?

Lost in Jersey on May 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM

It’s like there is a bank robbery and the police only get the video starting 3 days later.

VorDaj on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Where’s brainfreeordie? He was all hot bothered by this huge Republican deception. The purfesurs students are so screwed.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM

The Rat-Eared Bastard was giving a recital at Morehouse, isn’t that where he ‘works’ or nearby? I’m sure he would do whatever required to get into that audience. It would be like the Beatles landing at La Guardia in 1964 there.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

But the MSM and O camp have already won this round.

Yahoo linked the article titled So Who Doctored Benghazi Emails?, and though the article did not really pointed out or proved that Republicans did, the sheep were impressed that Republicans did.

vnohara on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I wont even make a comment about Steve Hayes because he is nothing but a partisan hack.
 
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

 
Thread winner.

rogerb on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I don’t know what I was thinking. We all know what a bunch of Right wing hacks ABC news hires…

Jazz Shaw on May 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

**BOOM** Headshot.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I don’t know what I was thinking. We all know what a bunch of Right wing hacks ABC news hires…

Jazz Shaw on May 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Steve Hayes is definitely a right wing hack who is only relevant to the fox news crowd. Jon Karl on the other hand is now a discredited journalist.

Everyone knew the republicans had more than enough time to review the emails when the administration released them a few months ago. He should have known he was being played by the republican conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

White House continues to try to squirm their way out of this.

Just like a snake.

GarandFan on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Everyone knew the republicans had more than enough time to review the emails when the administration released them a few months ago. He should have known he was being played by the republican conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

When you claim the same for the still missing three days of e-mails, I might lend you some credibility.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Schieffer to first accuse his guest of taking “exactly the approach that the Nixon administration took” and finally scolding him by asking, “Why are you here today? Why isn’t the White House Chief of Staff here to tell us what happened?”

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Same reason Rice went on the Sunday TV circuit re Benghazi instead of Billary?

petefrt on May 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Heh…Very Old Bob scores…

“After Pfeiffer continued with evasive talking points, Schieffer again scolded:

SCHIEFFER: But Mr. Pfeiffer, and I don’t mean to be argumentative here, but the President is in charge of the executive branch of the government. It’s my, I’ll just make this as an assertion: when the executive branch does things right, there doesn’t seem to be any hesitancy of the White House to take credit for that. When Osama bin Laden was killed, the President didn’t waste any time getting out there and telling people about it.

But with all of these things, when these things happen, you seem to send out officials many times who don’t even seem to know what has happened. And I use as an example of that Susan Rice who had no connection whatsoever to the events that took place in Benghazi, and yet she was sent out, appeared on this broadcast, and other Sunday broadcasts, five days after it happens, and I’m not here to get in an argument with you about who changed which word in the talking points and all that. The bottom line is what she told the American people that day bore no resemblance to what had happened on the ground in an incident where four Americans were killed.

Pfeiffer once again stuck with the Administration line leading Schieffer to further push back:

But what I’m saying to you is that was just PR. That was just a PR plan to send out somebody who didn’t know anything about what had happened. Why did you do that? Why didn’t the Secretary of State come and tell us what they knew and if he knew nothing say, “We don’t know yet?” Why didn’t the White House Chief of Staff come out? I mean I would, and I mean this as no disrespect to you, why are you here today? Why isn’t the White House Chief of Staff here to tell us what happened?

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/19/schieffer-obama-advisor-why-are-you-here-why-isn-t-white-house-chief#ixzz2TmCZMUVM

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

So do we know WHO ordered the stand- down yet ?

burrata on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I don’t know what I was thinking. We all know what a bunch of Right wing hacks ABC news hires…

Jazz Shaw on May 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

That’s his MO. He calls everyone a right wing hack that promotes an uncomfortable truth. When Hicks testified before Congress on Benghazi he said that 3 or 4 times in a single thread about Hicks, a career State Department employee who has donated to Democratic candidates.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Everyone knew the republicans had more than enough time to review the emails when the administration released them a few months ago. He should have known he was being played by the republican conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

The WH can quickly discredit them, then.

All they have to do is release all 25,000 or so e-mails relating to Benghazi and you will have your proof right out in the open.

As it is we are 24,900 some odd short.

I’m more than willing to wait for those to be released.

Are you?

ajacksonian on May 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Everyone knew the republicans had more than enough time to review the emails when the administration released them a few months ago. He should have known he was being played by the republican conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

The emails were not released a few months ago Mr. Brown Shirt. They were allowed to be viewed for a short period of time without cameras present. More propaganda from a fascist.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

rogerb on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Concur. I imagine that little tidbit will see a lot of play around here in the near future.

Left Coast Right Mind on May 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

It does not mater it is out there that the e-mails where doctored even if they where not. The smear is already done and the truth can say in bed.

tjexcite on May 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

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davidk on May 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

I expect Bob Schieffer will get audited soon…or maybe Holder will put beastie porn on his computer…

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Nixon: 18 1/2 minutes

Obama: 3 days of emails

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

So do we know WHO ordered the stand- down yet ?

burrata on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

If take all the LSM at face value..
Benghazi is the new norm..
And if you question it..
You are labeled a tea bagger and may show up on some radar at the IRS.

Live and let live..
Unless they die..
Then you turn the other way and hug an Obama Thumper..

I think this about right..

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Anonymous Cincinnati IRS official: “Everything comes from the top.”

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Of course it does…Now he needs to have the B*lls to testify under oath before congress.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Dear Leader is ABove the Law!

O’bama Cheerleading JV Squad on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Fixed!

Now, to today’s new CNN “Poll”…

Thinking specifically about the inaccurate statements made by the Obama administration and not about the initial attack which occurred in Libya, how important an issue do you think this is to the nation-very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not at all important?

Very important: 55%
Somewhat important: 29%

Do you think the U.S. government could or could not have prevented the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya?

Could have prevented: 59%

Do you think the Republicans in Congress are overreacting to this matter or are they reacting appropriately?

Overreacting: 37%
Reacting appropriately: 59%

Now wipe you chin off and readjust your O’bama Kneepads. Goebbels awaits!

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

The incorrect versions – and they were inaccurate quotes – were not generated by GOP operatives

Same GOP who are yet to see an event they wont politicize Jazz? Come on man… Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Now wipe you chin off and readjust your O’bama Kneepads. Goebbels awaits!

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

59% of the public are Republican/right wing/political hacks!

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Cruz missile: http://twitchy.com/2013/05/18/sen-ted-cruz-leads-call-to-abolish-irs-in-wake-of-targeting-scandal/

davidk on May 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM

God Bless Texas!

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:41 PM

A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

You should be outraged that the IRS wasted so much energy on non-job producing Tea Party Groups..

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I’m more than willing to wait for those to be released.

Are you?

ajacksonian on May 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

No. Because I don’t care what your party thinks about said emails. There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Same GOP who are yet to see an event they wont politicize Jazz? Come on man… Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Man, fascists are funny. Demonstrating incredible hypocrisy and fascist tendencies in only 3 sentences.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Yes, silence those who don’t agree with you and yet come here where we let you speak. You are digusting.

BeachBum on May 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Conspiracy theorists
right wing hacks

its like a Debbie Wasserman-Fluketalking points machine.

tom daschle concerned on May 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Steve Hayes is definitely a right wing hack who is only relevant to the fox news crowd. Jon Karl on the other hand is now a discredited journalist.

O’bama JV Cheerleading Squad on May 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

wiki, on Hayes:

He has been a commentator on CNN, The McLaughlin Group, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, CNBC, and C-SPAN.

Can you give us some credible, multi-sourced examples of Hayes “lying” in any of his work? Was he also a “right wing hack” for being critical of Chimpy Bush for not doing more about North Korea, or for his spending like a drunken sailor as President?

As for Karl, who exactly took away his journalistic credits? Has he been taken off the air?

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Can’t believe no one has made a “fake but accurate” joke yet.

tneloms on May 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Conspiracy theorists
right wing hacks

It’s like a Debbie Wasserman-Fluke talking points machine.

tom daschle concerned on May 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Nixon: 18 1/2 minutes

Obama: 3 days of emails

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Nixon: 18 1/2 minutes
Obama: 2400 emails and 3 days of Teleconferences between Benghazi,State,WH,DOD,CIA,DOJ and 4 dead,unknown injured.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Good to know the Democrat party supports “separate but equal” as they always have.

The Bull Connor / George Wallace Democrat party is back.

They don’t support equal protection under the law.

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Yes, silence those who don’t agree with you and yet come here where we let you speak. You are digusting.

BeachBum on May 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

And going on and on about how Republicans politicize everything while he supports the politicizing of an entire government agency.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I commented when I heard Pfieffer say it this morning that he was lying. They (Ø administration) really expect to get away with it, feel entitled to lie as usual and have the media cover it up for them. Nobody in the real world likes Mean Girls.

ExpressoBold on May 19, 2013 at 5:46 PM

HAL is definitely off his meds today.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM

HAL is definitely off his meds today.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM

He’s not off his meds, he’s a straight up fascist. Just be glad he is too cowardly to act on his own.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

O’bama JV Cheerleading Squad on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

1. Bush paid the Supreme Court to make him President.

2. Bush knew about 9/11 in advance and let it happen, so he and Cheney could invade Iraq for its oil.

3. Bush would use the Iraq War as an excuse to postpone, or completely call off, the 2004 election.

4. Bush would use the Democrat-created 2007 mortgage meltdown as an excuse to postpone, or completely call off, the 2008 election.

5. F-

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

HAL is definitely off his meds today.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Or maybe truth is exceeding their effective limit.

Time will tell just how far these several scandals go, how deep and far-ranging they are. Who knows what else might be uncovered in other agencies?

Liam on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Actually, by 7th grade students are taught to respect our system of government.

These criminals hate our Bill of Rights.

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM

LOL! Really? Not any more.

bgibbs1000 on May 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Same Jon Karl who is now apologizing all over the place for taking the republican doctored emails as fact? Thought you were better than that Jazz.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

No one in Congress had the emails nor could they have ‘doctored’ them. The White House permitted members of various Congressional committee to review the emails.

If anyone had had the emails, there would have been NO reason for people like David Axelrod to call for their release.

BOTTOM LINE:

Hillary Clinton was told at 8:00 PM on 09.11.12 by those on the ground that there had never been a protest about ANYTHING and the attack was a terrorist attack.

Both The CIA station chief in Libya and Beth Jones, acting assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs at the State Department, said on 09.12.12 that it WAS a terrorist attack by AQ, the AQ-affiliated group, Ansar al-Sharia, and that no video protest occurred whatsoever.

09.12.12 @04:07 (09.11.12 @10:07 PM EST): Secretary Clinton issued a statement acknowledging the death of one State Dept. officer, Sean Smith, and blames Internet video for violence. It included:

‘We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday (it was yesterday in Libya), as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is no justification for this; none.’

09.13.12: Carney blamed Internet video for violence.

‘The protests we’re seeing around the region are in reaction to this movie. They are not directly in reaction to any policy of the United States or the government of the United States or the people of the United States.’

09.14.12: Carney: No advance warning of attack. No evidence that the attack was preplanned.

‘We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.’

Lie. They were warned by the Libyan mission, Ambassador Stevens, and the CIA.

09.15.12: Obama blames video for violence in his weekly radio address.

09.16.12: Ambassador Susan Rice appears on 5 Sunday news shows and blames the video. One example from ABC News’ ‘This Week With George Stephanopoulis’:

‘What this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated, response to what happened transpired in Cairo…We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people, came to the embassy to — or to the consulate rather — to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then, as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons.’

Lie.

On Face the Nation:

‘We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.’

Lie. Yes, they did.

09.18.12: Carney again blames video for violence.

‘Our belief based on the information we had was that it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo and the video that — and the unrest in Cairo that helped — that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere.’

Untrue.

09.20.12: Obama again blames video for violence at townhall event broadcast on Univision:

‘What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests.’

09.21 .12: Obama and Clinton appear in ads on Pakistani television condemning the YouTube video at a cost of $70,000.

09.24.12: On ‘The View,’ Obama says investigation ongoing, again blames video.

09.25.12: Obama speech to UN blames video, refers to video 6 times, terror only once relative to Iran.

10.18.12: Obama:

‘Every piece of information we get -as we got it -we laid out for the American people.’

Lie.

11.28.12: Carney says that the ONLY change that the White House and State Department made to talking points was to change ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic mission.”

‘Those talking points originated from the intelligence community. They reflect the IC’s best assessments of what they thought had happened. The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility’ because ‘consulate’ was inaccurate.’

Lie.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Even after he attacked me on the Media thread, I was trying to be nice. By the way, nice work with the Kos reject on the other thread.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Does have thread have to be fumigated now?

BLECH

gophergirl on May 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

No. Because I don’t care what your party thinks about said emails. There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I have no known party.

I have floated no conspiracy theories.

I have grave suspicions about what went on in Benghazi based upon personnel, weapons gone missing, weapons transfers, Amb. Stevens’ foreign contacts, and the relatively low key CIA and MI-6 operations that were going on there at the time. There is much that cannot be explained and those e-mails play only a part in filling in the picture.

Human nature puts the WH in a defensive position to put out anything exonerating first so as to try and minimize the scandal. Less than 100 e-mails does not explain the problems in any of the time lines floated by the WH as they do not correspond with events on the ground as reported by multiple sources at the time and since then.

You may believe as you will.

I will wait for facts and examine the time line on my own and see if it makes any sense to me in any context partisan or non-partisan. Often no single party holds the actual information as to what exactly happened, and the picture must be built up from multiple sources and deconflicted. That takes time and until a much larger set of e-mails the WH is only prolonging the inevitable. The WH would look much, much better now to just release the mass of e-mails and say that they are what they are.

If you are right that would show up partisan hacks in clear and stark light.

If I am right it will paint a much more complete picture of the time line of events and sort out what happened, why it happened and how it transpired beyond the attack event and give broader insight into the affairs of Libya and the Middle East. I don’t want any Administration to EVER make this sort of mistake again as it costs lives of good people. I am sorry all you can do is attack others even those just willing to wait to see what the truth actually is without the need for belief.

ajacksonian on May 19, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Even after he attacked me on the Media thread, I was trying to be nice. By the way, nice work with the Kos reject on the other thread.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Thank you.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Does have thread have to be fumigated now?

BLECH

gophergirl on May 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I don’t smell that bad.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

No, little fascist. You are for PROFILING.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

When you claim the same for the still missing three days of e-mails, I might lend you some credibility.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM

You and I know there is never going to be enough emails. He has given you all he wants to give you. Anything outside of what he has provided is just feeding into the right wing playbook.

Take it or leave it GOP. Better, continue whining about irrelevant emails while Americans focus on better things that help improve their lives.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

You and I know there is never going to be enough emails. He has given you all he wants to give you. Anything outside of what he has provided is just feeding into the right wing playbook.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

LMFAO! That’s kind of the point moron. The president serves us, not the other way round. Release all the damn emails.

Take it or leave it GOP. Better, continue whining about irrelevant emails while Americans focus on better things that help improve their lives.

From Del above:

Thinking specifically about the inaccurate statements made by the Obama administration and not about the initial attack which occurred in Libya, how important an issue do you think this is to the nation-very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not at all important?

Very important: 55%
Somewhat important: 29%

Do you think the U.S. government could or could not have prevented the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya?

Could have prevented: 59%

Do you think the Republicans in Congress are overreacting to this matter or are they reacting appropriately?

Overreacting: 37%
Reacting appropriately: 59%

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Why don’t you just STFU, after all that’s what you want Us to do.

BeachBum on May 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

By Wednesday it will be: “Stevens isn’t actually dead, you reichwing freaks, he’s just taking a very long nap!”

Your day is coming, liberal fascist trash, you would be wise to prepare.

Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

He has given you all he wants to give you.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

And, that only means he has something to hide. If he didn’t, he’d release everything and shut those dastardly Republicans up.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Take it or leave it GOP. Better, continue whining about irrelevant emails while Americans focus on better things that help improve their lives.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Christopher Stevens’s life isn’t better. He and the other dead Americans deserve the truth.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

No, little fascist. You are for PROFILING.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

lolol. The “I will crawl over broken glass to vote for loser Romney;but hey I am still an independent librarian” chick speaketh.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

No. Because I don’t care what your party thinks about said emails. There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM


“But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.” – Orwell, 1984

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Take it or leave it GOP. Better, continue whining about irrelevant emails while Americans focus on better things that help improve their lives.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

EBTs and Dead Americans..

A winning plan.

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I wont even make a comment about Steve Hayes because he is nothing but a partisan hack.

Way past time for HA commenters to extend the same courtesy to the partisan hack who posted this.

de rigueur on May 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Take it or leave it GOP. Better, continue whining about irrelevant emails while Americans focus on better things that help improve their lives.

O’bama JV Cheerleading Squad on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Once again, today’s CNN “poll” shows that Americans are now paying attention to this Fake Scandal:

Thinking specifically about the inaccurate statements made by the Obama administration and not about the initial attack which occurred in Libya, how important an issue do you think this is to the nation-very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not at all important?

Very important: 55%
Somewhat important: 29%

Do you think the U.S. government could or could not have prevented the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya?

Could have prevented: 59%

Do you think the Republicans in Congress are overreacting to this matter or are they reacting appropriately?

Overreacting: 37%
Reacting appropriately: 59%

Keep your getalife in the sand, HAL.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM

lolol. The “I will crawl over broken glass to vote for loser Romney;but hey I am still an independent librarian” chick speaketh.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I said that I would crawl over broken glass to vote AGAINST Obama.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM

And, that only means he has something to hide. If he didn’t, he’d release everything and shut those dastardly Republicans up.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Too bad the only thing your party can do about it is continue singing the same song to the conspiracy right wingers and also holding votes to repeal Obamacare.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

You and I know there is never going to be enough emails. He has given you all he wants to give you. Anything outside of what he has provided is just feeding into the right wing playbook.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM


“The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.” – Orwell, 1984

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

He has given you all he wants to give you.

O’bama JV Cheerleading Squad on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

What will your limp talking points be if all of the e-mails are legally subpoenaed? Will your Dear Leader be Above the Law then too?

(Starts Sundial #247)

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

So is

” depraved indifference to 4 human lives ”
a crime for which someone can be prosecuted ?
If yes, what are we waiting for ?

burrata on May 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

He’s not off his meds, he’s a straight up fascist. Just be glad he is too cowardly to act on his own.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Hold on now, we still don’t know who might have helped the Boston Hat Bombers.

Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Electrongod on May 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You are the one whining about paying for the Obamaphones and EBTs you know. Crazy thing is you continue paying for them even though you hate them so much. Must really hurt.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:07 PM

And, that only means he has something to hide. If he didn’t, he’d release everything and shut those dastardly Republicans up.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

That’s perfectly OK. He is Above the Law and so doesn’t have to!

O’bama JV Cheerleading Squad on May 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Or maybe truth is exceeding their effective limit.

Time will tell just how far these several scandals go, how deep and far-ranging they are. Who knows what else might be uncovered in other agencies?

Liam on May 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

How far and deep do these scandals go? Trust me as much as I can when I say, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet! :)

Even after he attacked me on the Media thread, I was trying to be nice.

kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

You should know that ‘being nice’ doesn’t work on arrogant, merciless, and hypocritical people like Shallow HAL…

Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM

He has given you all he wants to give you.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Makes a person feel all warm and safe reading something like this.

Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Dr. Obama’s new practice.

profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM

What will your limp talking points be if all of the e-mails are legally subpoenaed? Will your Dear Leader be Above the Law then too?

(Starts Sundial #247)

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I honestly think it’s too stupid to even know what a subpoena is.

If the teevee tells it that Mr. Obama says it’s bad it must be bad so it yells.

That is the level of “thing” we are dealing with.

These things don’t believe in laws or history.

Only their god Obama.

tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Too bad the only thing your party can do about it is continue singing the same song to the conspiracy right wingers and also holding votes to repeal Obamacare.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Weird. I didn’t know the Independent-libertarian party had control over any branch of government.

You’re such a little fascist, princess.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Too bad the only thing your party can do about it is continue singing the same song to the conspiracy right wingers and also holding votes to repeal Obamacare.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

“Don’t you see the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the language of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible because there will be no words in which to express it” – Orwell, 1984

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM

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