Oddly, the IRS didn’t seem interested in large 501s

posted at 5:31 pm on May 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

If the IRS was really interested in cleaning up the issue of political groups abusing tax-exempt status to conduct partisan warfare, what kind of groups would they go after?  Which targets would give more bang for the buck, almost literally?  Hint: It would be those groups that accrue enough resources to have a large impact — the major players in the 501s that raise large amounts of cash through deductible donations and then turn those assets into regional or national campaigns.  Smaller players wouldn’t really be worth it … if reform and justice are your primary motivations.

And yet, the IRS effort between 2010 and the presidential election last November exclusively targeted small start-ups opposed to the administration’s agenda while leaving the big players alone, the Associated Press reports today:

There’s an irony in the Internal Revenue Service’s crackdown on conservative groups.

The nation’s tax agency has admitted to inappropriately scrutinizing smaller tea party organizations that applied for tax-exempt status, and senior Treasury Department officials were notified in the midst of the 2012 presidential election season that an internal investigation was underway. But the IRS largely maintained a hands-off policy with the much larger, big-budget organizations on the left and right that were most influential in the elections and are organized under a section of the tax code that allows them to hide their donors.

“The IRS goes AWOL when wealthy and powerful forces want to break the law in order to hide their wrongful efforts and secret political influence,” said Rhode Island Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat who is among a small Senate group pushing campaign finance reform measures that would force these big outside groups to disclose their donors. “Picking on the little guy is a pretty lousy thing to do.”

Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS and the Koch brothers’ Americans for Prosperity were among those that spent tens of millions of dollars on TV ads and get-out-the-vote efforts to help Republicans. Democrats were aided in similar fashion by Priorities USA, made up of former Barack Obama campaign aides, and American Bridge 21st Century Foundation, an opposition research group led by a former adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

And yet those groups so far have escaped investigations into whether they have crossed the blurry line under the law between what constitutes a tax-exempt “social welfare” organization that is free from donor reporting requirements and a political committee subject to taxes and disclosures.

Why might that be? Groups like American Crossroads and Priorities USA can afford to defend themselves, even if we entertain for a moment the fantasy that this IRS would go after a group of former Obama advisers.  Bullies don’t pick on those who can effectively defend themselves.  Also, these groups get a lot of attention, and starting a war with Karl Rove would have exposed this effort a lot more quickly than anyone in the IRS or the Obama administration might have wanted.

Had these enforcement efforts actually been legitimate, the IRS would have wanted that kind of attention.  The fact that they actively avoided accruing it speaks volumes about its perceived legitimacy even among its perpetrators.

This tells us, then, that the IRS wanted to target conservative groups who couldn’t afford to defend themselves, and who could be easily intimidated out of organizing for their agendas.  That’s not a strategy for reform or enforcement, but simply a brute-force bullying effort in order to sideline grassroots opposition to the current administration.  Contra the AP, that’s not irony at all, but corruption and abuse.

Even those hardly sympathetic to the victims in this case are making that case.  Democratic Rep. Joseph Crowley from New York told Fox News that former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman lied to Congress when he denied any of these activities were taking place:

Following the House’s opening investigative hearing into the IRS’s revelation that it gave extra scrutiny to conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, Crowley was asked if he believed Douglas Shulman lied to Congress.

“I think Mr. Shulman did,” said Crowley in an interview with Fox News. “My understanding is that it was common knowledge if they were going after political groups back then.”

Crowley was referencing a 2012 House Ways and Means Committee hearing in which Shulman, in response to questions from Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.), held that the IRS was not targeting specific groups applying for tax-exempt status.

“There’s absolutely no targeting,” said Shulman at the time.

The encounter raised suspicions for Boustany as well, who recounted the incident during the same  interview with Crowley.

“He said, absolutely not. He categorically denied it,” recalled Boustany on Friday. “But he was aware of what was going on during this time frame because we know that [a] senior technical advisor had already been sent out to Cincinnati to investigate what was going on and to report back.”

Lying to Congress in the course of a committee hearing and/or investigation is a felony whether under oath or not, which carries a potential five-year sentence.  Perhaps Shulman might have some interesting revisions to add to his two earlier appearances before Congress on this matter, especially if it becomes clear that either the Department of Justice or (more likely) a special prosecutor has a room at Club Fed in mind for him.

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Lying to Congress in the course of a committee hearing and/or investigation is a felony whether under oath or not

Like Hillary? She lied about well, everything…. So did Holder, for that matter.

Time for all the fascists to go to jail….

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM

ok, read the whole story and nobody has commented?

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Guess I get a Bishop….

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM

It’s a beautiful Saturday night, Barred.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM

then again….

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Yea, glad I missed.

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Basically opportunism. Doing the easy and unethical things to “do their part” to get Hope and Change re-elected.

Count to 10 on May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Award-winning comment at the link…

One biggest word missing — Soros.

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Nice write up, Ed.

Have you considered how HHS will treat conservatives? Puts a whole new perspective on “Death Panels,” doesn’t it?

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

He can be scary…

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Yeah, no surprise there.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Picking on people who can defend themselves in court and on the news outlet that has the most viewers pretty much would undermine the scheme the IRS, EPA, and other Obama lackeys were trying to keep below the radar.

Philly on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Nonpartisan and HAL to post shortly on how they praise and support bullies..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee… but he had also donated to the DNC in 2004… anyone know what’s up with that donation or his relation to Bush prior to being nominated to that post?

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

And yet those groups so far have escaped investigations into whether they have crossed the blurry line under the law between what constitutes a tax-exempt “social welfare” organization that is free from donor reporting requirements and a political committee subject to taxes and disclosures.

The whole problem with this tax exemption set-up from the get go is the “social welfare” aspect. The concept is subjective, apt to be abused, and smells of social engineering of the type that the Left favors.

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee… but he had also donated to the DNC in 2004…

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

And now Douglas has a new boss and Douglas swings the other way.

His actions are his own.

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee… but he had also donated to the DNC in 2004… anyone know what’s up with that donation or his relation to Bush prior to being nominated to that post?

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

All of that is irrelevant. People at the IRS didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to attack Zero’s enemies. Public sector workers? No. This order came all the way from the top. Zero may have tried to protect himself, but it ain’t gonna work. He and his merry band of fascist goons have had their fun. Now it’s time to pay the piper.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:52 PM

“Picking on the little guy is a pretty lousy thing to do.”

Hey! It’s “The Chicago way”!

GarandFan on May 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM

the IRS effort between 2010 and the presidential election last November exclusively targeted small start-ups opposed to the administration’s agenda while leaving the big players alone

The IRS targets the little guys because it’s easy. The same reason why thieves only rob people they know own no guns. If they think you might have a gun, they will think twice.

poxoma on May 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Nonpartisan and HAL to post shortly on how they praise and support bullies..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

All the scandals are having an effect on the talking head class of libs. They are starting to sing a different tune.

The AP isn’t the only news organization Holder targeted. WRKO reported this week that WSJ and the NY Slimes were tapped and their records were “harvested” too.

I’ll wager they watch this site too. Especially after being mentioned by Rush.

Just realized they must have Rush under 24 hour surveillance. Shame they don’t put that effort into watching terrorists. They may have prevented the Boston bombing.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Shall we gather together as groups to fight for our rights under ObamaCare..? Can you imagine how the IRS will treat individuals who “get out of line”?

d1carter on May 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Shall we gather together as groups to fight for our rights under ObamaCare..? Can you imagine how the IRS will treat individuals who “get out of line”?

d1carter on May 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Or the HHS?

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Step 1: Impeach Obama.
Step 2: Repeal Obamacare.
Step 3: Abolish the IRS.

That would make us so much freer and more prosperous. :)

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Ed:

A couple of flies in this ointment.

American Crossroads had already received approval from the IRS when the heightened scrutiny of conservative groups kicked in.

This also ignores the campaign of auditing and harassing big GOP donors like Mr. Van der Sloot.

SWLiP on May 18, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Contra the AP, that’s not irony at all, but corruption and abuse.

It is TYRANNY , plain, simple and naked tyranny.
This is how tinpot dicktaters like Idi Amin behaved.

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

That would make us so much freer and more prosperous. :)

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM

And leave crzy uncle Joe to dust the whitehouse.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 6:11 PM

As recently as a month ago, I thought of the IRS as just one of those unpleasant things you try to avoid as much as possible. Now I’m actively rooting for the organization to be destroyed. Maybe that’s unrealistic, but there it is.

Aitch748 on May 18, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Now it’s time to pay the piper.

dogsoldier

The piper’s a DemocRAT, true story.

Knott Buyinit on May 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM

If Karl Rove’s group American Crossroads was not the target of an actual IRS investigation, it was certainly being looked at by the agency. From the left wing Talking Points Memo last year:

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>
> Is the IRS starting to look into political groups set up as 501(c)4s?
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> A Wall Street Journal article last week reported that the agency was “taking initial steps to examine whether Crossroads GPS, a pro-Republican group affiliated with Karl Rove, and similar political entities are violating their tax-exempt status by spending too much on partisan activities.” But the IRS told TPM that the plan has been around for a while.
>
> In an article published Wednesday, the Journal reported:
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> Holly Paz, a senior official in the IRS’s tax-exempt division, said Friday that the agency was working on a questionnaire to send to some of the largest of the groups. Sending such a questionnaire is considered to be the first step in an IRS investigation.
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> The voluntary questionnaires will ask the organizations about their activities and compliance, said Ms. Paz, the IRS’s director of tax-exempt rulings and agreements, speaking at a conference of the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants.
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> Contacted by TPM last week, IRS spokesman Dean Patterson said in an emailed statement that Paz’s comments at the conference “are the same as what we’ve had on our web site and in our Exempt Organization work plan since February.” He pointed us to a passage on “501(c)(4), (5) and (6) self-declarers” in the agency’s 2012 Exempt Organization work plan that reads, in part:
>
> “In FY 2012, EO will send a comprehensive questionnaire to organizations based on Form 990 filings to assess compliance in this area.”
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> According to Patterson, the questionnaire is not yet ready to send out.
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> “We have not announced when the questionnaire will be sent, and we have not announced any specific details about this beyond what’s in the work plan. Other details have not been finalized, such as who will receive the questionnaire or the size of the groups receiving the questionnaire,” he said in the statement. “We anticipate asking groups a range of questions on topics including executive compensation, member services, political activity and a number of other issues.”

rokemronnie on May 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM

There’s an irony in the Internal Revenue Service’s crackdown on conservative groups.

Doesn’t anyone know what “irony” means, anymore?

There was no “irony” in anything the IRS did. It was all purely criminal and anti-American. Orange jumpsuits for all of them, right up to and including Barky, the Dog-eating, 84 IQ, America-Hating Retard With No Skills, Whatsoever.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Contra the AP, that’s not irony at all, but corruption and abuse.

Oops. I should have finished reading the post.

Eh … why start reading the posts, now? Anyway, thank you for making that point, Ed.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 6:20 PM

“There’s absolutely no targeting,” said Shulman at the time.

Shulman will again testify that there is no there, there, just as Mr. Clinton defined “is”. The word games will continue, just like when Obama said he didn’t know anything until he read the IG report. Like Harvey Keitel said to Nicolas Cage in the movie National Treasure, “Some one’s got to go to prison, Ben”.

Rovin on May 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Lying to Congress in the course of a committee hearing and/or investigation is a felony whether under oath or not, which carries a potential five-year sentence.

It doesn’t seem to be enforced though as otherwise David Petraeus would be in prison right now for lying to a congressional committee when he clammed Benghazi was an out of hand demonstration caused by a video.

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee… but he had also donated to the DNC in 2004… anyone know what’s up with that donation or his relation to Bush prior to being nominated to that post?

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

According to Open Secrets, he gave the DNC $500 in October of 2004. That’s the only donation OS has in his name.

However, there are plenty of other Shulmans listed there as donors, and I did not go thru the list. It is possible that other members of his family made additional DNC donations.

Shulman had previously worked for a House committee that was charged with…restructing the IRS.

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Shulman had previously worked for a House committee that was charged with…restructuring the IRS.

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM

FIFM

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Obama fundamentally transforms America:

There was a time when the IRS acted against Al Capone. Now, under Obama, the IRS acts like Al Capone.

There was a time when the FBI investigated crime syndicates. Now, under Obama, the FBI investigates for a crime syndicate.

There was a time when the ATF stopped Gun Running Gangs. Now, under Obama, the ATF is a Gun Running Gang.

There was a time when the TSA protected women at airports. Now, under Obama, the TSA molests women at airports.

There was a time when people in India dreamed of coming to America to get Health Care. Soon now, under Obama, people in America will dream of going to India to get Health Care.

Martin Luther King: “I have a dream”.
Barack Hussein Obama: “I am a nightmare”.

JFK: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”.
BHO: “Screw you and your God damned country!”

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee…

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

So let us hear work during the Bush years ?
Who was he targetting then?
When did he start intimidating ?

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 6:32 PM

And leave crzy uncle Joe to dust the whitehouse.

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Incompetent is better than evil. And anything is better than Obama.

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The only way impeachment would work, presuming a smoking gun is found, is if both Obama and Biden were impeached. Otherwise, exercise in futility.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Lying to Congress in the course of a committee hearing and/or investigation is a felony whether under oath or not, which carries a potential five-year sentence.

It doesn’t seem to be enforced though as otherwise David Petraeus would be in prison right now for lying to a congressional committee when he clammed Benghazi was an out of hand demonstration caused by a video.

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I don’t see any facts that Petraeus said it was a demonstration. Would you care to cite this accusation since this is what his testimony was?

Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified Friday that the CIA believes the Benghazi attacks were conducted by terrorists, not a spontaneous demonstration, according to lawmakers who provided accounts of the closed hearing before Congress.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83966.html

Rovin on May 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Or the HHS?

dogsoldier on May 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

IRS is given enforcement and compliance powers. The powers to directly lay their hands on medical records for those powers.

Future audits will be a true nightmare.

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Miller, on the stand, essentially flipped them the bird, just as Hillary did. It isn’t just the IRS. None of them appear to take Congress too seriously. They watch Holder skipping away from contempt of congress and also being given protection by executive privilege. The whole tone smacks of governmental arrogance. No one ever gets hard time.

a capella on May 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Crossroads was harassed..the irs sent their application to leftist propublica. Propublica did a big story on the ultra-right big money crowd and the ‘abuse’ they were doing because of Citizens United.

We have to face facts. The IRS thing is payback. The Left is still bitter over McCarthy, Nixon etc. The hard left was purged from unions, from DFL, and had to go underground in hollywood (like Sean Penn’s father).

these are still fresh wounds to the hard left. They do not accept the narrative that the Soviets had insurrectionists larded into many organizations. The hard left maintains that these were peaceful people, and that over-throwing the US government was not their agenda

the Left still adores the Weather Underground.

so they’ve got grievances against the anti-communists…so they became the anti-anti-communist people

r keller on May 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The only way impeachment would work, presuming a smoking gun is found, is if both Obama and Biden were impeached. Otherwise, exercise in futility.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Regardless of whether or not Biden becomes the President as a result, Obama needs to be impeached if for no other reason than to show that there are consequences for abusing power.

If Obama is left in power, if impeachment is not even tried, then the system will say that Democrats can get away with anything and they will never have to worry about the consequences except to not be voted in next time unless (in a case like this where the IRS hamstrung conservative groups up to and through the Presidential election) they do voter intimidation/harassment/fraud to the point where they are re-elected anyways.

To not try to impeach him is de facto sanctioning of these actions.

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Holder, the Contemptee, is never going to go after a guy like Shulman. And since Lew is just a political hack, even he won’t order up legal attacks. Obama only knows what he reads in the papers, so he won’t go after Shulman. It stinks, but he’s totally safe.

MTF on May 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

The IRS is already going after medical records… and you can bet that if you are in a group trying to start up they will want the records of everyone in the group, as well.

Any organization wanting to know the content of prayers will not shirk at mere medical records.

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Rovin on May 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Politico? That article is dated November 16, 2012 – more than two months later than September 11, 2012! I am talking about when he testified 3 days after September 11, 2012. Who the hell cares if the liar petraeus finally stopped lying more than 2 months later when the jig was long since up and he couldn’t tell such big lies anymore.

Diana West: “Spontaneous protest, unplanned attack: That was Petraeus’ testimony as CIA director three days after U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in Benghazi, Libya.

Within 24 hours of the attack, however, the White House and top officials at the State Department, the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies knew that no protest, spontaneous or other, had taken place. They knew the U.S. had been hit on the 9/11 anniversary by a planned attack by al-Qaida affiliates. Ruppersberger’s account, then, indicates Petraeus deceived the committee. When committed knowingly, as former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy recently pointed out, such deception is a felony.

This same phony story [from Petraeus]– that “extreme groups” took advantage of a “spontaneous” protest over a YouTube video to mount an “unplanned” attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi — would be repeated by the Obama White House for two weeks, climaxing in the president’s U.N. address on Sept. 25. There, President Obama cited the video six times and declared to the world body, dominated by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (an Islamic bloc of 56 nations plus the Palestinian Authority): “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

Blaming the YouTube video {which is exactly what Petraeus did] for the violence was, in effect, blaming free speech, which is also OIC policy. Additionally, it denied the reality of the planned jihad attack, which, by extension, denied that al-Qaida-style jihad terrorism still exists at the vanguard of expansionist Islam.

On Nov. 12, Fox News reported that “congressional leaders,” believing Petraeus lied to them in September, had “already considered charging Petraeus with perjury, but said they planned to withhold judgment until he testified this week [in other words, giving him another chance to finally stop lying to them].” (Under oath or not, it is a crime to lie to federal officials.) We have heard no such tough talk since.”

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Future audits will be a true nightmare.

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Can you imagine an IRS liver audit? I need a drink.

Word at HuffPo and DU is that the IRS wasn’t harassing small conservative 501 applicants. They were looking for the Koch Brothers behind the small conservative 501 applicants.

I imagine that the IRS never looked for Soros because they’d have netted every other “social welfare” 501.

de rigueur on May 18, 2013 at 7:02 PM

the IRS wanted to target conservative groups who couldn’t afford to defend themselves, and who could be easily intimidated out of organizing for their agendas.

You mean IRS intimidated the bitter gun clinging and Bible thumping racist homophobes with slopey heads who go around astroturfing in the Brooks Brothers suits ?
I wonder what triggered such thuggery by the Islamic Retribution Service ????
Hmmmmmm…..

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM

I imagine that the IRS never looked for Soros because they’d have netted every other “social welfare” 501.

de rigueur on May 18, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Too true! Every small group that has taken money from any of the Many Faces of Soros would have to be looked at and they are legion. If you tried to list out just the Soros based and supported organizations and sub-organizations you would take at least a week to do so.

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM

IRS is given enforcement and compliance powers. The powers to directly lay their hands on medical records for those powers.

Future audits will be a true nightmare.

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

jacksonian, the future is now.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 18, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Holder, the Contemptee,

MTF on May 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

BTW, Barky has a contempt citation, himself. He hanged it over the Oval Office toilet – where he spends most of his time … creating peers.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I know what “others” have said VD, you didn’t have to preach a full page to me.

I didn’t know, or missed that Petraeus had said earlier that it was a demonstration. Thanks for that info.

As a sidenote, it would be interesting to know why Petraeus made the original statement, when he obviously knew differently, ie did some one attempt to blackmail him if he told the truth?

Rovin on May 18, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Rovin, I don’t charge by the page, my sermons are all free.

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM

As a sidenote, it would be interesting to know why Petraeus made the original statement, when he obviously knew differently, ie did some one attempt to blackmail him if he told the truth?

Rovin on May 18, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Petraeus was always a beady-eyed liar who thought that paying off a few arabs was some stroke of genius. Petraeus was clearly on Barky’s team from the start. I’m sure the knife in the back surprised him more than anyone. He thought he was Barky’s boy. … And he was …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Large organizations can afford the Legal Swindle; small organizations not so much. JustUs has become the Mafia.

It’s a protection racket. Plain and simple,

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

A double sawbuck says that Schulman has a brother and the Obamabots pull a Frank/Vincenzo Pentangeli situation on him if/when he testifies next.

Sacramento on May 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

To not try to impeach him is de facto sanctioning of these actions.

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Totally agree

itsacookbook on May 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

This will happen the same with Obamacare. The big firms both right and left will not have an IRS agent looking over their HR persons shoulder to make sure they are giving the approved healthcare. But at small shops where the HR person also the late night receiver, dishwasher and cook at one of the 3 restaurants that have 75 people. They will look to make sure every one of the people do not work 31 hours a week as that is full time and then employee healthcare or whatever regulation they have yet to figure out.

tjexcite on May 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

The only way impeachment would work, presuming a smoking gun is found, is if both Obama and Biden were impeached. Otherwise, exercise in futility.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM

.
Biden has MANY skeletons in his closet from his time as Senator.

If the Powers-That-Be ever get concerned about the SCOAMF resigning or being successfully impeached, a super-secret grand jury will announce indictments of Uncle Joe who will then resign as VP in return for no jail time.

Then the SCOAMF would nominate Hillary “What difference does it make” Clinton to fill out Biden’s VP term.

Everyone who serves can be destroyed.

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

“There’s absolutely no targeting,” said Shulman at the time.

We treated all the conservative groups equally bad.

jukin3 on May 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS and the Koch brothers’ Americans for Prosperity were among those that spent tens of millions of dollars on TV ads and get-out-the-vote efforts to help Republicans.

.
Here’s thought experiment:

Which is more likely?

Karl Rove, the Koch brothers or some group of their usual donors fund a free legal support team to support a rebirth of the Tea Party Movement via small 501s by representing them against the IRS or any other legal challenges

OR

The SCOAMF voluntarily resigns as President.

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

did you know he was a bush appointee
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thats all they want to talk about…arrrggghhh I wish someone would come back with ‘and he is a democrat who donated to the dnc so shut up’

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

should have read the earlier posts…you guys are way ahead of me…

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Organizing For Access has escaped scrutiny because they haven’t filed with the IRS as of yet.

J_Crater on May 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee… but he had also donated to the DNC in 2004… anyone know what’s up with that donation or his relation to Bush prior to being nominated to that post?

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Yes, the party that says they dont want to politicize this scandal does what—politicizes it. Makes no difference who appointed them, they are accountable for THEIR actions.

hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Rovin,

Obama never said he didn’t know anything about the IRS scrutiny until he read about it in the news. He was asked if he could assure the nation that the WH didn’t know anything about the scrutiny. He answered that he didn’t know about the contents of the IG report until It was “leaked” to the press. He never answered the original question. He has not stated that he didn’t know about the IRS’s apparently illegal activities, just that he didn’t know about the IG report. So, in affect, he hasn’t lied about knowing about what the IRS was doing. Being very slimy, he answered a different question than was asked. The reporter should have asked him again, as he didn’t answer her question. But he probably would have avoided answering.

So, it is entirely possible that he did know about the IRS abuses, but not the contents of IG report as it had not been released. It’s also possible that he, along with a number of Dem Senators, asked the IRS to give extra scrutiny to conservative groups that were applying for tax-exempt status.

GAlpha10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I wish someone would come back with ‘and he is a democrat who donated to the dnc so shut up’

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Strange isn’t it that this Shulman thing never did any “targeting” during the Bush Presidency ? Never did a thing to benefit Bush, but the moment Hussein felt that Mooch’s lobster rations are in danger, he swung into action !!

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Two fishy things I’ve learned in the past two days are the following:

First, that the IRS, as discussed in this post, targeted little guys while Dems and libs are now out screaming that the IRS was doing us a service by looking into all these organizations with big shadowy donors. In effect, the IRS a**holes persecuted the equivalent of neighborhood political garden clubs.

Second, despite assertions that the IRS had to hurriedly assemble criteria to help perform triage for the deluge of applications that were arriving at the IRS, the criteria were put into place in a year (2010) when these applications actually were down from the year before (2009). What a phucking bunch of lying a**holes.

I hope these clowns get run out of DC on a rail.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Groups like American Crossroads and Priorities USA can afford to defend themselves, even if we entertain for a moment the fantasy that this IRS would go after a group of former Obama advisers. Bullies don’t pick on those who can effectively defend themselves. Also, these groups get a lot of attention, and starting a war with Karl Rove would have exposed this effort a lot more quickly than anyone in the IRS or the Obama administration might have wanted.

Don’t forget Kant-Win-Karl Rove’s abysmal track record last November. And his subsequent war on conservatives. Obama’s IRS probably thought it wasn’t necessary to go after an ally.

Myron Falwell on May 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I have a bit different take on it. The campaign had been hammering on the fact that these conservative groups were huge “special interests” raking in millions from possibly foreign sources trying to influence elections and that the tea party was not grass roots but astro-turf *cough-Pelosi-cough*. What better way to make the facts fit the narrative that to try to harass and intimidate the small grass roots tea party non-profits out of existence?

Works the same in Benghazi. The narrative was that Bin Laden was dead and Al-Qeada was on the run, so it had to be a video in the talking points instead of terrorism.

Hazzard on May 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Unfortunately time seems to be on the side of the socialists–it’s more than Obama–much more. (Think of John Kerry, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton among droves of others.) It’s also more than a sympathetic press.

There are two streams of influence dumbing down America and making socialism probable in the future.

Internally–American teachers teaching their own students to hate their own country and to despise their own military.This is about the only thing students learn as they tend to graduate from high school semi-literate and graduate from college patriotically stunted.American teachers are far more damaging to America’s future then illegals since they teach 100% of American students plus most of the illegal aliens as well.

Externally the flow of Mexicans into America. Called an ‘Hispanic’ invasion it is almost exclusively a Mexican invasion (with a few thousand Middle Eastern and a few hundred Chinese terrorists added to the mix.)At the very best these invaders are honest day laborers with absolutely no new ideas or skills to donate to the host country (which many of whom do not even like!). At the very worst they are drug dealers, drug addicts, organized criminals, prostitutes and pimps and baby-making welfare machines who often resist, at every opportunity, any attempts to learn English. The total effect of this massive invasion is to water the thick soup until it becomes tasteless soup-flavored water.Please understand there are endless millions of useful and productive Hispanics but THAT is NOT what America is getting.

Unless the flow of socialist babbling teachers is reversed as well as the flow of illegals that the Mexican government is blissfully ecstatic to see leave, it matters not that you impeach Obama, fire Eric Witholder, repeal Obamacare, or even abolish the IRS. The structure has been set for more Obamas, more Witholders, more socialized medicine systems, and more tax collection-redistribution despots.

MaiDee on May 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Obama will trip over one of his Big Lies eventually.

Even a master of deceit like Barack can’t keep all of the prevarications straight enough to tap dance around them forever.

The flopsweat is starting to build up in his rotten pores like a fire hose with a knot in it.

Waiting to burst.

I mean, I did know about the IRS before the election, I just didn’t have, technically, any right to have such knowledge… er… I mean, as president, I am unable to consider what I know, or when… if I was saying that I didn[‘t know, I was mistaken, and accidentally misled myself… I think.. uh… what I was trying to say… before I said what I didn’t mean to say… um….”

Ker-Oblooey!

profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM

The large 501′s have lawyers.

Dasher on May 19, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Greta had a Rep head of a committee investigating the IRS and she asked about a point of contention. He replied that it was something that could be further investigated. She then asked if anyone would ever really be held accountable instead of just retiring or getting promoted and he had no answer. The end of this game happens when they adjourn and everybody goes home feeling they accomplished something just for being there and asking questions before a camera.

Kissmygrits on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

IPolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Any vacancy in the Vice Presidency, whether caused by death, resignation, or advancement to the presidency is filled by the nomination of the president and then voted upon by both houses of congress, not the SCOAMF, whatever that is.

Old Country Boy on May 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Crowley was referencing a 2012 House Ways and Means Committee hearing in which Shulman, in response to questions from Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.), held that the IRS was not targeting specific groups applying for tax-exempt status.

“There’s absolutely no targeting,” said Shulman at the time.

The encounter raised suspicions for Boustany as well, who recounted the incident during the same interview with Crowley.

“He said, absolutely not. He categorically denied it,” recalled Boustany on Friday. “But he was aware of what was going on during this time frame because we know that [a] senior technical advisor had already been sent out to Cincinnati to investigate what was going on and to report back.”

When did this come out, that an advisor had been sent to Cincinnati to report back? Did I miss this somewhere in the testimony the other day?

Angineer on May 19, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Incompetent is better than evil. And anything is better than Obama.

Theophile on May 18, 2013 at 6:32 PM

I agree. He will be even more of an impotent lame duck.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Dems keep saying Douglas Shulman was a Bush appointee…

ninjapirate on May 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM

So let us hear work during the Bush years ?
Who was he targetting then?
When did he start intimidating ?

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 6:32 PM

One of our Low-IQ Democrats here (brainfreeordie, methinks) posted a link about how the Bush IRS went after a black church in southern California. But as I recall said link only highlighted the Bush IRS claims against the church, and failed to mention how the case ended.

To make a long story short, said church hosted a guest “preacher” on the Sunday immediately prior to the 2004 Presidential election; said “preacher” used the pulpit to bash Bush. This of course is a violation of the church’s tax-free status.

The IRS concluded in the end that the church was violating its tax-exempt status, because the guest “preacher” was using that church for a political purpose.

But the Evil Bush let the church keep its tax-free standing. What a horrible man! (Oh, and a War Criminal, too, right libfree?)

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

The big “conservative” organizations hate the Tea Party as much as Obama.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM