Open thread: IRS hearings open on Capitol Hill, with live embed

posted at 9:16 am on May 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The hearing was supposed to start at 9 ET in the House Ways and Means Oversight subcommittee, but it got started a little late. First up — former acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller, who just got forcibly retired about a month early. CBS News has a live embed for those wanting to follow along:

CBS also has this primer for those coming late to the story:

After a week of information slowly trickling out about the political discrimination carried out by the IRS, the public will finally on Friday hear directly from those at the agency.

Public questioning begins in the House Ways and Means Committee, where the acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller and J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA), will testify Friday morning. …

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., said in a statement that Miller’s resignation “does nothing to change the culture of discrimination at the IRS.”

“And, it certainly does nothing to change the fact that the tax system is targeting honest, hardworking taxpayers instead of working for them,” he continued. “There are still far too many unanswered questions and until we know what truly happened, we cannot fully fix what is wrong.”

Both Camp and the top Democrat on the committee, Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., have been extremely critical of the misconduct at the IRS, with Levin earlier this week calling for the resignation of both Miller and senior IRS official Lois Lerner.

Lerner is one of four witnesses invited to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee next Wednesday. However, Lerner has not yet confirmed whether or not she’ll be present, a spokesperson for the Oversight Committee told CBSNews.com. According to the spokesperson, Lerner’s lawyer — William Taylor of Zuckerman Spaeder LLP, who has represented high-profile clients like Dominique Strauss-Kahn — told the committee that Lerner is currently in Montreal.

Miller’s opening statement claimed that while mistakes were made, there was no partisan motivation involved.  Good luck with that argument.  I’ll update if and when significant developments occur.

Update: Max Baucus thinks we’re going to hear even worse from the Congressional hearings, although it might take a couple of weeks to get through it all:

Senior Democratic Sen. Max Baucus, who recently slapped Obamacare as a “train wreck,” believes that the IRS scandal is just beginning and that “a lot more” damaging information will be revealed, likely at congressional hearings.

“I have a hunch that a lot more is going to come out, frankly,” Baucus, whose pending retirement seems to have freed him up to speak bluntly, told Bloomberg’s “Capitol Gains” TV show.

“It’s broader than the current focus. And I think it’s important that we have the hearings, and I think that will encourage other information to come out that has not yet come out. I suspect that we will learn more in the next several days, maybe the next couple three weeks which adds more context to all of this,” added Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

By the way, they just put today’s witnesses explicitly under oath for this hearing, which is a little unusual.  Chairman Camp told the hearing that he’s insisting on the oath because of the IRS’ repeatedly misleading the panel in the past. Ouch.


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Morning CoffeeLover!! Hope all’s well with you :-)

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Commenting looking better, now … Test.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Now he’s trying to claim that conservative groups weren’t targeted?

PetecminMd on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I heard that too. Then why are we here?

esr1951 on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The excuse that too many applications was the problem is easily debunked, as too many would mean less scrutiny not more. I’ve never heard of anyone asking additional questions and prolonging a processes because MORE people were applying, less time means less scrutiny.

cmc on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

IG George is kinda worthless isn’t he?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

It’s eating my posts!!!

Ye Gadzooks!!

Help me help me I am being sucked in HA!!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Our Gubmint is bloated with over paid lefty crooks.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I don’t believe there’s an obligation to report to congress – Miller

He said this with a straight face to the congressional oversight committee…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Roskam is nailing Miller on withholding from Congress…

And Miller is on the record admitting he has notes and then denying he has notes.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

It’s almost hard to believe that Rostrum’s district in Illinois is right next to Duckworth’s district and includes part of Cook County.

No matter how hard they try the Chicago Machine gerrymanderers cannot eliminate every trace of the GOP within pi$$ing range of Cook County.

farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Flat Tax advocates…biggest winners?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Thread Winner !!!

Jabberwock on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

ROFLMAO

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

The only one that is a legit scandal is the DOJ harassment of the AP. The GOP has been exposed as doctoring e-mails to fit their narrative and to smear Susan Rice (no apology yet) and the IRS situation is the result of an independent agency acting in an inappropriate manner.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Pathetic.

But do continue to push and push on these and see how long the American people care I guess.

Will do.

Per Gallup:

74% of Americans believe that the IRS targeting of conservative groups is serious enough to warrant continuing investigation.

69% of Americans believe that Benghazi is serious enough to warrant continuing investigation.

Per Rasmussen:

* 57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

* Just 16% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the IRS investigations of these groups were a coincidence

* 57% think the investigations were politically motivated

* 55% think it is at least somewhat likely that President Obama or his top aides were aware that Tea Party and other conservative groups were targeted by the IRS

* Only 7% of voters believe no disciplinary action should be taken against the IRS employees involved in the investigations

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Every single piece of sh*t that has ever worked for the IRS need to be put in prison.

The IRS is just a criminal democratic gang.

They are opening lying to Congress.

tetriskid on May 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

fify

“It’s about a union: the National Treasury Employees Union. The NTEU. A left-wing union representing 150,000 employees in 31 separate government agencies, including the IRS. A union that not only endorsed President Obama for election and re-election, but a union whose current president, Colleen Kelly, was a 14-year IRS agent and now is both union president and Obama administration appointee (of which more in a moment).

It’s about 94% of NTEU union contributions going to Democrats in the Senate and House in 2012 — candidates who campaigned as vociferous opponents of the Tea Party.

And the recently released report from the Treasury Inspector General? You will not find a single reference to the NTEU. Whose members are both player and referee in the exploding controversy over the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

Which raises the obvious question: how many NTEU members were involved in the writing of the Inspector General’s report?

Let’s first see how the IRS/NTEU game with the Tea Party and conservatives is played, shall we?

In the 2012 election cycle, the IRS union gave its money this way:

For the U.S. Senate:
Total to Democrats: $156,750
Total to Republicans: $1,000

For the U.S. House:
Total to Democrats: $391,062
Total to Republicans: $23,000″
– Ace AOSHQ

http://minx.cc/?post=340067

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

jaydee_007 on May 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

That was very well done. It needs to be posted in a thread where it won’t get buried like it will here in an open thread with high comment volume.

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Every single piece of sh*t that has ever worked for the IRS need to be put in prison.

The IRS is just a criminal gang.

They are opening lying to Congress.

tetriskid on May 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Marxist Troll says… Scandals? What Scandals?

Jay “Benghazi Bob” Carney says… Scandals? What Scandals?

Now we know what Comrade O’s strategy will be…deny, deny, deny… there’s nothing to see here… time to move along. I’m sure the MSM has gotten their marching orders on this as well.

Very risky strategy. They must rely on the MSM coming to their aid. But apparently they have nothing else left.

farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Not only is Mr. Miller not being forthcoming with Congress, he is also being evasive.

(he)dismissed the possibility that agency workers were politically motivated. “I think that what happened here is that foolish mistakes were made by people trying to be more efficient in their workload,” Mr. Miller said.

Utter nonsense and perhaps mendacity based on what he knows. As Karl Rove documented in the WSJ, at a minimum these requests came from Democrats in the Senate. If we were to use that as a single starting point Miller is not being truthful.

In addition, only conservatives or Republican were targeted for audits. Were there no Democrat or liberally aligned tax exempt groups in that same period? If so, why weren’t they audited?

Conclusively, it appears Miller is hiding something and there are more revelations to come. Perhaps when they try him on criminals charges he will be a bit more forthcoming…

Marcus Traianus on May 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Our Gubmint is bloated with over paid lefty crooks.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

That’s for damn sure. We need a federal non-military salaries and benefits freeze for ten years, and no bonuses. If people leave because of that, good, too many of these leeches are greedy-union government-workers for life. I would not be concerned until the rate of turnover approaches that of private industry.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

So it looks like Republicans are looking for specifics to build a case for prosecution…While Democrats are focused on how much work needs to be done to help the IRS avoid this in the future.

Why is this obfuscation strategery familiar…

“At this point What difference does it make..” – Sec. of State Hillary Clinton during her prior appearance in the Benghazi Hearings.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Damn! That’s pretty compelling stuff.

a capella on May 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Worthless George just signed me “I wanna go home and I can’t recall why.”

soozer47 on May 17, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Worthless George needs to read the papers. Lots of pieces about the religious angle of this IRS cr*p.

soozer47 on May 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM

“It is not illegal to target groups”..Mr Miller…WOW.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Price nailing Miller on what Ingram knew.

Your saying Ingram didn’t know the criteria used by people she was supervising? – Price

I don’t think so…over 1000 employees – Miller

Who appointed her to supervise implementation of HHS? – Price

I did – Miller

Is it legal what the IRS has done? – Price

No – Miller

You don’t believe it is illegal for the IRS to make lists based on political criteria? – Price

No I don’t believe it is…- Miller

Price was Xcellent

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

blumenthal (D)–The IRS code has gotten so large, but yet we have fewer agents–we need more people.

NEVER CROSSES THEIR MIND TO SIMPLIFY THE CODE. THEY EARN THEIR LIBTARD DESIGNATION EVERY DAY.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

The IRS is basically an illegal entity.

Prosecute them.

Every single criminal.

tetriskid on May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Damn! That’s pretty compelling stuff.

a capella on May 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Indeed.

Pass the info and link along.

I’m sure this infection is at every level of Gubmint.

Unions will eventually Unionize the US Military if they get the chance…It’s one of the ultimate goals of the Leftist Statists.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Miller’s really going to bat for Ingram, huh? I wonder if the administration has promised him something. Maybe a nice, cushy job somewhere in the Caribbean? Probably in a country we have no extradition treaty with…

PetecminMd on May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

It is scary that this hack thinks the IRS can get away with targeting people, groups that are conservative. Miller, is evasive, arrogant and a jerk.

my questions

Who in Treasury, white house knew of this
Did the IRS pass confidential IRA info to treasure & white house
Who ordered this and who carried it out
Is it still going on

Danielvito on May 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Buchanan is asking about the culture at the IRS…I hope he brings up the Treasury Unions connection to the DNC.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM

J. Russell George is most likely the boss of the IRS union that gives all that money to the commie Democrats.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Miller is not a good liar, but he is a pompous one. This is infuriating to watch. And, as the Rep from Georgia said – it is chilling.

MustLoveBlogs on May 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Shameless..

“Not his fault”

“you suck and deserve persecution at every turn”

“The president doesn’t control the IRS even though it’s entire leadership are democrat party hack political appointees”.

“shut up”

“shut up”

“shut up”

that about your defense… choad?

mark81150 on May 17, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The guy keeps saying “WE” the sob quit, he is not the IRS any longer.

shit, shit, shit

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Who’s in charge at the IRS? Who do you report to? – Buchanan

There are two deputies who report to the deputy commissioner who report to deputy sec. of treasury. – Miller

Who do you answer to?

Mr. Lew (Treasury Secretary) – Miller

Were you fired?

I resigned…But I’m also retiring – Miller

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Arrogance is a requirement to work in this administration…lie with gusto and dare anyone to prove you wrong. This is what you get when the American media will not do its job.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Democrats are protecting the Union and their party…and of course Il Duce.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM

What is not missed on me is the glaring difference between these testimonies and those of the Benghazi hearings.

Truth/lies
Confidence/insecurity
Preparation/having to check files
…. I could go on, but you get the drift.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

This is what hearing looks like:

Time: 1100 a.m.

Dem. defendant charged for murder- “Ladies and gents, I killed the dude cause he pissed me off. I am sorry”.

Dem. jury- “Your honor, we find him guilty and sentence him to counseling”.

Dem. judge- “Court dismissed”.

Time: 1105 a.m.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Hmm. Do you think this disclosure is part of the coming Obama – Clinton war?

esr1951 on May 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

* 57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

* Just 16% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the IRS investigations of these groups were a coincidence

* 57% think the investigations were politically motivated

* 55% think it is at least somewhat likely that President Obama or his top aides were aware that Tea Party and other conservative groups were targeted by the IRS

If those 55% or 57% of Rasmussen poll-ees had voted for Romney in November, we wouldn’t be having these problems now. But too many of them were AWOL on November 6, so the bully got his pulpit for another 4 years.

Steve Z on May 17, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Miller was asked other than his resigning are there any other actions being taken by him or anyone else…miller replied, “NO, I am not doing anything – the next in-coming guy replacing me will.”

In the next second D-Schwartz said, “The American people were not treated fairly but I am confident that the acions you are taking…”

“THE ACTIONS YOU ARE TAKING?!” The man just said he ain’t doing shi’ite! WHAT THE H#LL?!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 11:47 AM

This guy is slime and he’s really pissing me off.

blue13326 on May 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Miller has been at the IRS since 1988…

But he doesn’t seem to know anything.

Sure…That’s gonna fly

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM

So do I have this straight in this and Benghazi, according to the dem’s it all due to low level staffers being so downtrodden and underfunded, so we can’t do our jobs because of the evil GOP.

MontanaMmmm on May 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

I am in trouble…Rangel actually sounds reasonable.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Press ‘Ctrl-Z’. That will take you back to the previous Universe.

Tsar of Earth on May 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

MLB

He’s doing a Holder move

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 11:51 AM

We need a select committee to handle these scandals..one for each scandal.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 11:52 AM

We centralized because of the increasing number of applications – Miller

Smith wants specifics on that group.

How many were involved before and after that centralization? – Smith

I’m not sure…I don’t know – Miller

Miller claims the IRS reached out to contradict the Donor list requests after they discovered the errors. saying they sent letters to Orgs. saying “Don’t answer that”

Really?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Miller:

I just load them on the trains, I do not know or need to know where the trains go or what happens in th camps.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

IG George concludes to Smith that of the 27 that 13 were Tea Party Groups.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Miller is trying to claim it takes much longer – YEARS, in fact – to process & handle Conservative group data / statuses than Liberals. LOL…whatever!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Why won’t the gop call out the dems for pushing the IRS to look at conservative groups

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

So do I have this straight in this and Benghazi, according to the dem’s it all due to low level staffers being so downtrodden and underfunded, so we can’t do our jobs because of the evil GOP.

MontanaMmmm on May 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Pretty much. Somehow back in 2000, when the annual federal budget was $2 trillion, roughly half of what it is today, we could afford to adequately secure our foreign consulates so that ambassadors weren’t murdered and we could also ensure that the IRS didn’t target specific citizens or groups based on their ideology. But now we’re being told be the Dems that $3.8 trillion just isn’t enough.

Doughboy on May 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Anytime there’s a potential scandal I can hear that song by Shaggy playing in my head……

But she caught me on the counter (It wasn’t me)
Saw me kissin’ on the sofa (It wasn’t me)
Saw me bangin’ on the sofa (It wasn’t me)]
I even had her in the shower (It wasn’t me)
She even caught me on camera (It wasn’t me)

bsinc1962 on May 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Intent has nothing to do with this.
Laws were broken.
End of story.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Mr George very hesitant about whether criminal charges are warranted…that was pure, future gold. But then Dem Davis “well, I in reading the report dont believe charges are warranted”…

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

This is all BS.

Special

Prosecutor.

tetriskid on May 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Well this one from Chichago should know about ineptitude once he takes a look in the mirror each day.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

FLAT TAX FLAT TAX FLAT TAX FLAT TAX.
The IRS could catch up then, no more back log, problem solved.
What a scum bucket,and I’m being nice.

MontanaMmmm on May 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

So do I have this straight in this and Benghazi, according to the dem’s it all due to low level staffers being so downtrodden and underfunded, so we can’t do our jobs because of the evil GOP.

MontanaMmmm on May 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

In a nutshell…and we should all focus on correction.

Lean Forward & Quit living in the Past…Cause that’s partisan politics or something.

Since the People that Claim the buck stops with them don’t know anything until they know something…They aren’t really responsible and shouldn’t prosecuted or held accountable.

Progressive Pretzel Logic sugared with Moral Relativism…It’s what’s for Lunch

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Schumer and Franken targeted Tea Party via IRS;

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/17/flashback-schumer-franken-urged-irs-to-target-tea-party-in-2012/

long_cat on May 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Miller, answer the damn question as it’s presented.

PXCharon on May 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Mr Schock nailing them pointing out 3 Dem Sens who wanted extra scrutiny and he had letter in hand. IG knew nothing about it–of course.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Questions/answers w/hack miller

Q who is responsible for targeting of conservative groups
A Miller- I don’t know
Q Is the sky blue
A miller- I don’t know
Q Is grass green
A miller- I don’t know

Only way we get the truth is if someone comes forth, in the know, to tell the truth

Danielvito on May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM

OT: Here, in Cincinnati, the local Fox affiliate was holding on to the names of the infamous four in the exempt orgs group until it could confirm them. I believe it has done so and has made public their names.

There’s a fair amount of tea party activity in these parts. I hope nothing bad happens, but I wouldn’t mind some protests at some homes.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Senator Udall of New Mexico requested IRS investigate groups also.

oldroy on May 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Is it legal what the IRS has done? – Price

No – Miller

You don’t believe it is illegal for the IRS to make lists based on political criteria? – Price

No I don’t believe it is…- Miller

Price was Xcellent

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Is there a typo in there?

First it is not legal, then it is legal?

TerryW on May 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Anyone else notice how Mr. Russel, the Inspector General, is well prepared, has his facts/figures/dates firm in his mind, documentation on hand, and even has a couple of Reps behind him handing him pieces of paper to help remind him of dates/fact….

Yet Miller has NO F*ING CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING – no dates, no facts, no figures, no knowledge of anything & no help from anyone?!

And isn’t it amazing how the Democrats, who along with the GOP members have gotten absolutely NO ANSERS from Miller – has been lied to by Miller, & who have watched him refuse to answer questions, are CONVINCED that there was no political motives, no scheme or crimes perpetrated, that all of this is just a case of scattered, individual cases of ‘mistakes’, over-aggressiveness, and poor decision making by IRS workers (NONE OF WHPM HAVE BEEN PUNISHED & NONE OF WHOM – according to Miller – WILL BE).

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The IRS has done it’s job – Obama won reelection. The Tea Party’s growth was blunted.

That’s why there were so many questions to answer – the IRS was intentionally making sure the Tea Party groups’ fundraising was hampered until after the election.

hawksruleva on May 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Schock reading IRS letters sent to Pro-Life and Christian groups.

Do you educate on both sides of the abortion issue?

Please detail the content of your organizations prayers?

Please detail certain signs that might be held up at a Planned Parenthood Facility?

Schock asks IG George about specific Democrat Congressmen letters calling for IRS targeting scrutiny of Tea Party Groups.

Schock Rocks!

What are examples of inappropriate versus illegal? – Schock

I’m not sure exactly…not my area…(Above my paygrade) – Miller

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Election

NBC’s Lisa Myers reported this morning that the IRS deliberately chose not to reveal that it had wrongly targeted conservative groups until after the 2012 presidential election:

“[I]f this fact came out in September 2012, in the middle of a presidential election? The terrain would have looked very different.”

But, it’s NOT political!!! They pinky swear.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:15 PM

If the republicans were on the side of the people they would be advocating for the complete destruction of the IRS.

This is all just posturing.

renalin on May 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Jenkins wants names.

Patterson chief of staff at Treasury and Mr. Roland – Miller

Jenkins asks George.

IG George says they have a monthly meeting with counsel at treasury.

When did you inform them about these audits – Jenkins

May 30th 2012 alerted Schulman, June 4th alerted counsel,alerted Lew when he was appointed. – IG George

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

-Mr. Miller, please state your full name for the record.

“I don’t know.”

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Miller was just asked – would there be repercussions for anyone asking for such a vast amount of inappropriate questions? Miller answered it would depend on the context but that he did not know in what context those wuestions were asked, why they were asked, etc…

This is the same guy who professed to have conducted the internal investigation into this scandal .. and he doesn’t know Shi’ite about anything that happened, has no names of anyone who perpetrated the acts, why they were done – NOTHING!

This should prove that the Federal Government should NEVER be trusted to hold internal investigations, that outside independent counsels are the only ones who should be trusted!

..and oh yeah, Holder says he will not call for an outside independent counsel for ANY of these 3 on-going scandals!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Is there a typo in there?

First it is not legal, then it is legal?

TerryW on May 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM

no typo.

Miller’s entire testimony has been like that.

admits he has notes…then says he doesn’t…claims knowledge of regulations then claims ignorance…etc.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

When did the IRS hire Jerry Lundergaard from Fargo?

Jerry: Ma’am, I answered your question.
Marge: I’m sorry, sir?
Jerry: Ma’am, I answered your question.

Terp Mole on May 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

o/t

Huma Abedin, Anthony Weiner’s Wife, Didn’t Disclose Consulting Work She Did While Serving in State Dept.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I guess this explains how they could afford a $3.3M Manhattan apartment!

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Paulsen asks is it customary for the IRS to name individuals and ask associations in the applications?

I don’t know – Miller (even though I’ve worked there since 1988)

Marchant asking about communications with Brody.

Marchant shows a June 4th letter from Grant that states there is no targeting of Tea Party Groups.

He setting up a timeline.

Again Mr. Miller you told me there were no extraordinary processes regarding the applications of Tea Party groups at the IRS – Marchant

This is a list my local tarrant co. tea party was asked. A printout of FB posts, Twitters, every single e-mail – Marchant

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Wow, Reed is not jacking around.

PXCharon on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 PM

no typo.

Miller’s entire testimony has been like that.

admits he has notes…then says he doesn’t…claims knowledge of regulations then claims ignorance…etc.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Un F***** believable.

I was thinking I would give this guy a bye since he is out shortly anyway and hasn’t been there that long.

But. He is a career IRS flunky whose idealogy prevents him having any rational thought. He has no sense or ability to be in the position he is currently in or has been in.

TerryW on May 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Odd this thread.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Black tagging on Paulson’s revelations about IRS questions to Tea Party Groups.

Mr. Miller First you called it foolish mistakes then You acknowledged that there was abuse…Then you said the applicants were treated fairly…Was there anything in this criteria that applied to groups that were’nt conservative – Black

Miller dodges

You aren’t answering my question – Miller

You can’t have it both ways…This is targeting – Black

How can only a few low level employees do this…for years? – Black

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

When did the IRS hire Jerry Lundergaard from Fargo?

Jerry: Ma’am, I answered your question.
Marge: I’m sorry, sir?
Jerry: Ma’am, I answered your question.

Terp Mole on May 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

This is why we need an independent special prosecutor with FBI agents working for him/her, so this kind of bullshit runaround doesn’t happen.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM

The flop sweat from these jerks could fill Lake Superior, every last one of them is right now measuring whether to spill the beans or go down in flames.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Geez, Matt Drudge is having a field day. He’s probably the one guy in the country that doesn’t have to fear for his life or property.

a capella on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Reed.

Mr. Miller You were not fired from your job…You will get your full benefits…You’re getting a paycheck for being here today correct? – Reed

Correct – Miller

Reed to George

Who did you identify in the IG’s report who was responsible…I want names – Reed

Lois Lerner,Joseph Grant,Holly Patz,…I can supply a complete list – George

Your report implies there will be additional investigations…is that correct – Reed

Yes – IG George

Who in your management chain did you talk to – Reed

Lois and Grant – Miller

Who else – Reed

Nancy Marks – Miller

Who was the employee you orally disciplined? – Reed

One was reassigned… – Miller

Do you have those names? – Reed

Yes – Miller

Reed formally requests he provide them to the committee.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:39 PM

That was good.

BoxHead1 on May 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Congressman Kelly from PA… wow. What a smackdown.

Kudos to you, sir.

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Young
Mr. Miller Do you agree with the IG’s report or not?

Young quotes a letter by Lerner sent to an IN group.

Young reveals that Lerner applied an inconsistent criteria to cover her a$$.

I believe this happened after Lois stepped in to correct the targeting – Miller

Wait a minute this targeting happened a year after she claimes to fix things – Young

Her signature appears on over 170,000 apllications – Miller

It looks fishy – Young

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Every American should be required to watch the IRS hearings to see who will be enforcing the law as to ObamaCare. These idiots will be in charge of your most personal medical information!!!!!!!!!

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

I absolutely LOVE R-PA Mile Kelly…he just summed up everything perfectly….

Reo Griffin nailed it also — to the IG Inspector (& Miller): ‘You did NOT conuct an Investigation!’

Of course everything boils down NOW to –

‘SO WHAT?! WHAT THE H#LL IS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? WHO IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED – AND THEY SHOULD BE – BUT WHO IS GOING TO BE FIRED NOW & WHO IS GOING TO JAIL? HOW WILL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CHANGE THE IRS – WHICH IT HAS TO BE AFTER THIS?!’

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

All the commie Democrats just took a powder and poof they are all gone in 30 seconds.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM

All the commie Democrats just took a powder and poof they are all gone in 30 seconds.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM

After the thunderous applause following Kelly’s comments, the Democrats tucked tail & ran!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Remember that the IRS is not an ‘independent agency’ and exists under the oversight of the Treasury Dept.

The IRS reports through the Treasury Dept. and that was under TurboTax Tim Geithner.

Anyone pushing the ‘independent’ line is trying to protect and give cover for Tim Geithner. Why do so many on the left want to protect Tim Geithner?

ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 PM

WOW !! Getting tough, AND applause !!!

This is terrific.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Paulson,Black,Reed,Young,Kelly

20 minutes of pounding….Xcellent

Kelly compares IRS to monsters under the bed…This will not go away & I don’t believe the WH just found out about it. Where your sitting Mr. Miller you should be outraged…But your not. Is there any limiting to the scope you people go.

I am more concerned today after your testimony than I was before…You can put people out of business. The American People have seen what is going on.

Kelly got applause.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Holy Moly! Rep. Kelly just killed it! Nice job sir, nice job.

The_Brewer on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

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