Open thread: IRS hearings open on Capitol Hill, with live embed

posted at 9:16 am on May 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The hearing was supposed to start at 9 ET in the House Ways and Means Oversight subcommittee, but it got started a little late. First up — former acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller, who just got forcibly retired about a month early. CBS News has a live embed for those wanting to follow along:

CBS also has this primer for those coming late to the story:

After a week of information slowly trickling out about the political discrimination carried out by the IRS, the public will finally on Friday hear directly from those at the agency.

Public questioning begins in the House Ways and Means Committee, where the acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller and J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA), will testify Friday morning. …

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., said in a statement that Miller’s resignation “does nothing to change the culture of discrimination at the IRS.”

“And, it certainly does nothing to change the fact that the tax system is targeting honest, hardworking taxpayers instead of working for them,” he continued. “There are still far too many unanswered questions and until we know what truly happened, we cannot fully fix what is wrong.”

Both Camp and the top Democrat on the committee, Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., have been extremely critical of the misconduct at the IRS, with Levin earlier this week calling for the resignation of both Miller and senior IRS official Lois Lerner.

Lerner is one of four witnesses invited to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee next Wednesday. However, Lerner has not yet confirmed whether or not she’ll be present, a spokesperson for the Oversight Committee told CBSNews.com. According to the spokesperson, Lerner’s lawyer — William Taylor of Zuckerman Spaeder LLP, who has represented high-profile clients like Dominique Strauss-Kahn — told the committee that Lerner is currently in Montreal.

Miller’s opening statement claimed that while mistakes were made, there was no partisan motivation involved.  Good luck with that argument.  I’ll update if and when significant developments occur.

Update: Max Baucus thinks we’re going to hear even worse from the Congressional hearings, although it might take a couple of weeks to get through it all:

Senior Democratic Sen. Max Baucus, who recently slapped Obamacare as a “train wreck,” believes that the IRS scandal is just beginning and that “a lot more” damaging information will be revealed, likely at congressional hearings.

“I have a hunch that a lot more is going to come out, frankly,” Baucus, whose pending retirement seems to have freed him up to speak bluntly, told Bloomberg’s “Capitol Gains” TV show.

“It’s broader than the current focus. And I think it’s important that we have the hearings, and I think that will encourage other information to come out that has not yet come out. I suspect that we will learn more in the next several days, maybe the next couple three weeks which adds more context to all of this,” added Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

By the way, they just put today’s witnesses explicitly under oath for this hearing, which is a little unusual.  Chairman Camp told the hearing that he’s insisting on the oath because of the IRS’ repeatedly misleading the panel in the past. Ouch.


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Nunes knows something. It sounded like he was luring Miller into a trap.

Doughboy on May 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM

No. It was “Take the Money and Run”.

antipc on May 17, 2013 at 9:48 AM

What the what? Who invited you in my head?

antipc on May 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

“This is the story about Billy Joe and Bobbie Sue..

Two IRS agents with nothin better to do….

ToddPA on May 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

McDermott – I’m a little drunk…and I’m covering for Il Duce’s Tax Brownshirts…

The IRS can’t access your medical files…correct? – McDermott

Yeah…- Miller

It is not a fascist takeover of the healthcare system…and you guys rock but people hate you anyway or something…How can we help you do your job better…- McDermott

Nunes summary…Are you aware that we know your a lying sack of sh*T

Asks about WH and Treasury contacts.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Citizens United is really a craw-sticker for the dems.

So that makes all of this fine and dandy.

tru2tx on May 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

I went to the gym this morning. To be fair, the main TV monitors around the room had CNN covering the IRS hearings on. So, I was in the second row of machines with, maybe, 10-12 women on machines in the row in front of me, each with it’s own monitor. Were any of the women watching the IRS hearings? Nope. Mostly, they were watching HGTV on their sets, followed by the Today Show and I think one was watching a Lifetime or Bravo movie. I’m a woman. I’m not picking on them but this is what they really were watching. #Oblivious. <— Isn't that how the cool kids say it?

Fallon on May 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Gop are playing politics
Dem talking point

Miller equal holder

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

D. Richard Neal….enters Bloomberg article into record showing that indeed Democratic organizations were also targeted.

Oh again Citizens United…hiding donors.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Nunes any contact with OFA, Obama Campaign, Propublica

Will you turn over your phone records? – Nunes

I have to chat with my lawyer – Miller

Nunes nails Miller on his Shultz defense…Why did you resign?

Buck stops at my desk – Miller

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Liberals/Miller:
- I am under no obligation to divulge facts, crimes, scandals, or offer any information up freely that is not specifically, technically, iron-clad asked for.

- Yes, there wre crimes perpetrated, yes I withheld evidence, but I was within my right to do so because the Committee faild to ask the right questions!

Arrest this @hole already!

*** Democrats at the very start said ‘let’s not make this political’, then McDermot switched the whole hearing to Obamacare, asking Miller – who has been so honest so far – to confrim having this same IRS that abused its power so much in this scandal to take over & run the Obamacare piece as well would not be a problem.

Good grief!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I SERIOUSLY believe it is a mental condition, possibly a mental defect.

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Well the misdirection is working. GOP Ways and Means chairman says no special prosecutor needed on the IRS scandal. Meanwhile when is the last time we heard anything from DC about Benghazi?

bgibbs1000 on May 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

… I’m not picking on them but this is what they really were watching. #Oblivious. <— Isn't that how the cool kids say it?

Fallon on May 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

To be fair, no sane person wants to spend their life being aggravated at the government. And you’ve got to have a life outside of following politics. Unless you’re a public servant which, by the way, is the most ironic job description ever coined.

Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Good grief. Every single leftist Democrat on the committee questioning the IRS today are pointing to a Bush appointee and going on diatribes against the Citizens United ruling before they ask any substantive questions. And I’m being generous when I use the word “substantive.”

How stupid do you have to be to continually vote for these partisan hacks? They make an absolute mockery of our republican form of government and are unfit for office.

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Webster’s – Word of the day Litmus Test

Did the IRS use one? – Neal

No – Miller

This non-profit had been around for 60 years…

Taxpayers should not be intimidated or afraid of the IRS. – Neal

If we could only undo that citizens united decision or something…cause disclosure is important or something…Thanks – Neal

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I asked for oral counsel be given – Miller

Oral Counsel…Word of the Day

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

It’s the flood of applications that caused this problem…Juan Willimas said the same thing last night on Fox News. Yep, they’ve all got the talking points.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Is this the first time Sarah Ingram was named? Her name should be mentioned every speech.

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

It’s the flood of applications that caused this problem…Juan Willimas said the same thing last night on Fox News. Yep, they’ve all got the talking points.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Just like Citizens United, that’s a ridiculous talking point. It doesn’t explain the partisan nature of the targeting and it doesn’t justify all the intrusive questions asked of these Tea Party groups. If the IRS is overwhelmed with applications and paperwork, why unnecessarily(and illegally) add to it with these questionnaires?

Doughboy on May 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

IRS Logic;

There is No Evidence that the man robbed the bank for Monetary Benefit!

jaydee_007 on May 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Why is his name question # 26? – Tiberi

BOOM!

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Home run by Congressman Tiberi.

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Sarah Hall Ingram.

Why isn’t she answering questions, under oath?

Steve Miller is nothing but deflection…he apparently knows nothing…or is so confused as to what his duties were that he was/is useless…or has his instructions to obfuscate (lie) and draw attention away from Team Obama…and this hearing is again showing blatant attempts by Dems to make George Bush the fall guy. Notice the several questions as to when or who…Bush has been mentioned a good number of times.

Flood of applications the problem?

If we had a sensible tax code in the United States, none of this would be an issue.

Government too big to manage?

Axelrod said it this week.

So, let’s make government bigger…that’ll do the trick. Hire a few thousand more IRS agents to pour over every aspect of the lives of those who seek tax-exempt status who are not progressives, community organizers or on the Left…yep…send more people and more money to “solve” a problem that should not have been a problem in the first place.

How about we scale back the federal government to take care of the basics?

In the meantime…this Miller guy is a past master at prevarication. He has his instructions…be the fall guy…we’ll Obama will take care of you. Remember all those State Department employees who got fired for Benghazi? All of them are back at work today…no loss of pay or benefits.

coldwarrior on May 17, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Tiberi quotes the 2010 questionaire sent to Liberty Township Tea Party…

Q #26 Provide details of your relationship with Bennett Thomas an american citizen who is in this audience today…- Tiberi

Why is his name question # 26? – Tiberi

BOOM!

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

What is going on with this site..?

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

thanks for mentioning it d1carter. I thought it was just my computer.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Democrats keep using the word ‘MISTAKE’…Miller called the targeting of American citizens based on their beliefs & the MISLEADING of Congress ‘horrible customer service’

The CRIMINAL ABUSE of POWER by using the IRS to target Americans, punishing them for daring to NOT agree with the Liberals/Obama administration, the CRIMINAL ACTS of misleading – and in the case of Schulman months ago – PERJURY, were perpetrated. There were no ‘mistakes’ or simple acts of ‘poor customer service’ – CRIMES WERE COMMITTED!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Most asinine quote of the day, “We provided horrible customer service, but it was not politically motivated.”

Oh and the question from a democrat about what does the IRS need to help rid these problems in the future and Miller replied, that more laws and more money to hire more agents would do the trick!

UNFREAKIN’ BELIEVABLE!

texgal on May 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

former acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller, who just got forcibly retired about a month early

With a nice cushy retirement package, to be on the backs of the taxpayers he abused for the rest of his life, of course.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Abu Ghraib

1) Went on for Weeks
2) When Officials learned of it Criminal Investigations Began
3) Persons involved Charged with Crimes
4) Charges were filed weeks after it was discovered
5) A broad base of Lower Level personnel and Officers were charged
6) Bush learned of it when the Investigation began
7) There was NO Benefit to the Bush Administration from these actions
8) Media insisted Bush and Rumsfeld Knew and Approved of this action.

IRS Targeting TEA Party

1) Went on for Years
2) When Officials learned of it, they lied to Congress
3) Persons involved have been promoted or given NEW Duties
4) No Charges have been filed, MONTHS after it’s been revealed
5) An interim leader, who was leaving anyway, has been Fired
6) Obama learned of it only when the News Reported it
7) Obama’s re-election received a Direct Benefit from these actions
8) Media insists there is no way Obama could possibly have know about this action

jaydee_007 on May 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Total talking points = because of Citzen’s ‘Unity’, we focused more clearly on these groups because we expected them to abuse the new freedom. Case closed.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Varchild on May 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

ie. See Immigration

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Attention John Boehner….you asked yesterday who would be going to jail….that should be Mr Miller.

Big Orange on May 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

What is going on with this site..?

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Miller admits he promoted Lerner’s boss to supervising implementation of HHS

Tiberi was Xcellent!

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I SERIOUSLY believe it is a mental condition, possibly a mental defect.

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:26 AM

There IS a time warp.

How did easyt65 comment at 10:26 am on a comment that wasn’t made until 10:29 am?

Neat trick.

tru2tx on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Multiple database servers? One got reset to a 3 minute time difference?

oldroy on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Democrats, in this type of situation, (try to) pass legislation that would (at least in their minds) “solve” the problem. Republicans just hold hearings, then do nothing.

Let’s see the GOP work up some legislation
Mohonri on May 17, 2013 at 9:16 AM

ROFL! I can’t believe I just read “Pass legislation” and “Solve problems” in the exact same sentence.

Since when has passing legislation ever solved problems?

The more legislation that is passed by Democrats/GOP the problems we have!

Varchild on May 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

CBS feed…

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Miller isn’t helping himself or the administration. He’s coming across as completely dishonest.

“I answered all questions truthfully”

Wow.

PetecminMd on May 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

What is going on with this site..?

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Soros…Obama…Jarrett…Holder…IRS?

*snicker*

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Reichiert is on him!

Big Orange on May 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM

The fact is that the actions performed by the IRS are already illegal. You don’t need to pass legislation….They are already illegal.

People should already go to jail based on the laws on the books.

If you pass legislation, you just run the risk of disrupting the already existing laws on the books and end up making it more difficult to prosecute the guilty from Obama and on down.

Varchild on May 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

We had horrible customer service…

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

I’m stunned by the lack of knowledge or truthfulness of people that are supposed to be in charge of gov’t agencies. STUNNED!!

EA_MAN on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Maybe the island of Guam is tipping…and combined with solar flares it’s effecting this site’s comment thread?

It’s annoying as hell…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Rep. reichert, you WERE GREAT! You nailed that lieing sack of sh*t!

This scares the hell out of me, is this america, calling the FBI on people soely because they were in the tea party. auditing people, etc.

Danielvito on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

LMAO!!

-Who was responsible?

“Don’t know”

-Who did you ask who was responsible?!

“Nancy ——”

-Who did Nancy tell you was responsible?!

“Can’t remember.”

Was there actually laughter there I heard?

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

They won’t let him answer the questions…. waaaaaa

This is just a politically side show
-libs talking head

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Constantly citing Citizens United ain’t helping, Dems. It makes it sound like you’re ok with what the IRS did as a way of compensating for the Supreme Court decision.

Doughboy on May 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Miller is lying his a$$ off.

Nail him Reichert!

You admitted that groups with the name Tea Party were on that list…Didn’t this committee have the right to know that groups were treated differently? – Reichert

So your answer is a non answer…Do you not think Congress has the right to know the information you have? – Reichert

You’re a law enforcement agency for cryin’ out loud…- Reichert

Miller reduced to mumbling…

Who was responsible?

I don’t have that name – Miller

So basically managers are adopting the Sgt. Shultz defense and I know nothink…not even names of low level employees under their management.

Why not?

Reichert is trying to get names…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I’m outta here because I was just told that I needed to slow down because I’m posting too fast.

WTF?!

tru2tx on May 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Wow, my comment was stamped with a time that is about 6 minutes before I actually posted it.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

It’s 5 0′clock somewhere

rsherwd65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

“The president told me that I didn’t remember.”

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Americans getting an education on their Gubmint in the age of Il Duce

It’s called Fascism Folks.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Wow, my comment was stamped with a time that is about 6 minutes before I actually posted it.

Midas on May 17

Einstein freaks out!

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Liberals on Twitter and calling into Cspan are really upset at those meanie republicans…cause they’re rude!

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Go Reichert! Like a Bulldog he keeps pounding on Miller, demanding he answer to the question: Does this committee, Congress, deserve to know the information you knew?” Over & Over he refused to answer the question…

Miller supposedly conducted the investigation to find out who targeted Americans, & when Reichert asked him – the man who conducted the investigation – who he discovered was responsible Miller answered, “I DON’T KNOW!”

Mr. Miller…Go to JAIL, go DIRECTLY to JAIL…do NOT pass ‘Go’…do not collect $200…or another d@mn dime from the Aerican people ever again!

easyt65 on May 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Wow, my comment was stamped with a time that is about 6 minutes before I actually posted it.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

That is due to a cosmic balancing of the transcendent mystic force of the universe. Every time Obama learns of something weeks or months after he heard about it, millions of tiny voices must be heard minutes before they speak.

Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

“The president told me that I didn’t remember.”

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Yep.

Aaaand I got hefty raise(s) too…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

former IRS head Schulman to appear before Congress next Wednesday to testify. When are they going to get Lerner and her peers in there to testify.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Headline link at top of NBCnews.com:

IRS chief blames ‘foolish mistakes’ for targeting of rightists

“Rightists”? Really?

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Because that’s how they speak in the mess we call the Euro…and those folks are running our media

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

“I don’t remeber…”

mjbrooks3 on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Demmys keep trying to make an argument ‘Appointed By **BUSH**’ –

.. we’re waiting for somebody to chime in “and yet, kept on by O’Barky, when the shennigans really got rolling

/red meat
/.

CaveatEmpty on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Allah…Ed…anybody?

The comment thread is tipping…kinda like Guam

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Wow, my comment was stamped with a time that is about 6 minutes before I actually posted it.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

I’ve got it open using chrome. When I use IE it gets wonked.

katy the mean old lady on May 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

FYI. Being covered on CSPAN2 , on TV.
Not sure about online.

CSPAN Twitter : #IRS

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Mistake not partisanship

Puhleeze

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Oops, getting goofy on chrome too.

katy the mean old lady on May 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Looks like ‘altimers’ has struck the IRS bosses younger and younger.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Headline link at top of NBCnews.com:

IRS chief blames ‘foolish mistakes’ for targeting of rightists

“Rightists”? Really?

Common Sense Floridian on May 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

CBS feed…

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I’m watching Cspan

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

How long before Miller employs his right against self incrimination. He seemed to be huddled with what looked like some lawyers there for a little.

PetecminMd on May 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Oops, getting goofy on chrome too.

katy the mean old lady on May 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Maybe NK or China hacking WP…nah…Occupy OFA?

*snicker*

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Al Sharpton reminded us this morning that O’CARE is now the law of the land ~ so is Citizen’s United.

Rovin on May 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Some D callers on CSPAN, not happy about the ‘I don’t know’ answers.
Even voicing going to Fair Tax route.

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

There is certainly a lot of tension in the room-Mr. Miller is so trying to cover his bottom side.

hawkman on May 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Gee Doggett you might want to check into the activities of Geroge Soros.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Hey Scrumpy….

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Love the “optics” of Dems politicans defending the IRS.

It’s like watching Central Committee members defending the KGB.

farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Maybe NK or China hacking WP…nah…Occupy OFA?

*snicker*

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Leprechauns.

katy the mean old lady on May 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

What I know about govt. employees is that when this type of crap goes down lots of files go missing.

What the IRS and Obama etal hope is that no one outside the IRS can rebuild the data base the deleted just prior to all this.

That is why all that had this shit happen to the have to make contact with a Republican member of congress.

Stat…..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

What do you think is happening with Benghazi and AP files while attention is focuses on this? NOw that the administration knows what the committee is looking for in the IRS, focus will shift to the AP so the pace of shredding and deleting at the IRS can be increased before the next witnesses can be interviewed.

oldroy on May 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

What I know about govt. employees is that when this type of crap goes down lots of files go missing.

What the IRS and Obama etal hope is that no one outside the IRS can rebuild the data base the deleted just prior to all this.

That is why all that had this shit happen to the have to make contact with a Republican member of congress.

Stat…..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Love the “optics” of Dems politicans defending the IRS.

It’s like watching Central Committee members defending the KGB.

farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Yes Comrade.

Because it’s all just too BIG or somethink…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Somebody better tell this Miller guy that Holder used up this weeks quota of “i don’t know” yesterday.

Hard to believe how little these two actually “know”

Jabberwock on May 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Good Morning HAirians!!

Hot day in DC eh?! Lol…

What a bunch of bull that guy Miller is.

I alo am not liking that the dems are pushing the Citizens United ruling from the SC…

Oh back on!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Go Reichert! Like a Bulldog he keeps pounding on Miller

Dave Reichert was the Sheriff of King County, Washington.

Mike Morrissey on May 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

the planted question…I don’t know….Miller needs to be in jail.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Interesting that Baucus is talking more. Guilty conscience?

VibrioCocci on May 17, 2013 at 9:22 AM

No, a man scorned. He was pushed out just prior to the Gatealanche. This could get interesting…

Tsar of Earth on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

What’s up with this thread? Its so hinky?!!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’s a mess Scrumpy

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Roskam…Getting specific about recent disclosures…

Oops! Miller admits he’s got notes

You’ve got notes on that? – Roskam

Sir…Please…I don’t know if I have notes – Miller

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Morning CoffeeLover!! Hope all’s well with you :-)

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It would be better if this thread as working properly. Hoping you are doing well too :)

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I found the architect of the policy. Sarah Hall Ingram made a 2009 speech about just this topic where she outlines her vision of “good governance” on how citizens should act and how the IRS is responsible in finding out if those citizens qualify.

The PDF didn’t transfer perfectly to my blog, so here is both.

This is the person and she is in charge of Obamacare/IRS unit. Not by accident either.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2013/05/16/who-is-she-the-head-of-the-irs-during-the-scandal-is-in-charge-of-obamacare/

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/ingram__gtown__governance_062309.pdf

here is a key part read the whole speech it is the total outline:

IRS Promotion of Good Governance

Somewhat controversially – at least to some – we have advanced the notion that there is a link between good governance and tax compliance. This concept seems intuitively true to many people. I certainly believe it; it does not seem like a controversial statement to me. But so me have challenged this association of good governance and good compliance – not by pointing out cases in which well governed organizations nonetheless seriously violated the Code and put their tax-exempt status at risk – but simply by saying the point has not been proved.

These critics often note that effective governance arises from intangibles – the dedication and diligence of responsible officers and board members – rather than from the adoption of numerous rules and procedures. These, in their view, can pile up on top of each other to such an extent that they prevent good governance rather than promote it . Knowing who is right in this discussion is not easy.

We have set out to collect some information on the point. We are going to start asking agents, at the end of each examination, to fill out a check sheet about certain of the examined organization’s governance practices and internal controls. The check sheet is intended to identify instances of noncompliance found during the exam, and also to gather information about whether the organization had, and used, any internal controls. For each instance of noncompliance found – excessive compensation, political intervention, inurement, private benefit, material diversion of assets – the agent should ask, who made the decision to do it or to allow it? Was there a policy in place concerning the transition or activity, for example, and if so, was it followed? Let me be clear – we will be gathering objective data, not subjective views. And we will do this over time. As we collect enough information to be interesting, we’ll share it with the community, and everyone can have a go at it.

archer52 on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

What’s up with this thread? Its so hinky?!!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’s a mess Scrumpy

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Thread Winner !!!

Jabberwock on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Roskam is nailing Miller on withholding from Congress…

And Miller is on the record admitting he has notes and then denying he has notes.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Now he’s trying to claim that conservative groups weren’t targeted?

PetecminMd on May 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Miller is a complete liar. He claims that they did this because of wanting to be more “efficient”. How can asking for thousands of additional pages of info from conservative groups possibly be MORE efficient? If anything it would be much more time consuming and far less efficient.

Ta111 on May 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Scumpy,

This thread is being audited by the IRS and if you post to often your get a fine of a deletion.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

So inappropriate is the new illegal?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

What’s up with this thread? Its so hinky?!!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’s all just bad customer service.

Dem solution: retraining so that next time, the IRS isn’t stupid enough to get caught.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Some one check the political donations of J. Russell George.

Might be of note:

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

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