New gun-control ideas: Government mandated Bond-movie gadgets, chocolate bullets

posted at 6:01 pm on May 17, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

The Personalized Handgun Safety Act, inspired by “Skyfall,” but without the great theme song:

“In the most recent James Bond film, Bond escapes death when his handgun, which is equipped with technology that recognizes him as its owner, becomes inoperable when it gets into the wrong hands,” Tierney’s office said in a statement introducing the bill. “This technology, however, isn’t just for the movies — it’s a reality.”…

Under his bill, guns made in the United States would have to be built with this technology two years after the bill becomes law. Older guns being sold by a business or individual would have to be retrofitted with this technology after three years.

The bill says the cost of retrofitting these older guns would be paid out of the Department of Justice’s Asset Forfeiture Fund, where confiscated assets from criminal investigations are placed.

Thanks, Q.

Charles Cooke takes on Rep. John Tierney (D-Mass.) and his 13 Democratic co-sponsors:

In the Boston Globe, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, claimed that, with this technology, “We could reduce the majority of gun deaths in this country.”

This is spectacularly dishonest. According to the anti-gun Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, 606 people were accidentally killed by firearms in 2010. Of course, not all of these people were killed with handguns and many of them were killed when the guns were being held by their primary owners. Moreover, the law would do nothing about the vast majority of those 300 million-plus guns that are already privately owned.

The law also wouldn’t prevent suicides. Look, the technology is intriguing—Cooke notes it’s a pretty decent idea for a gun safe—and will no doubt make its way into more and more guns just as Bluetooth technology has crept into more and more cars, allowing common hands-free cell phone operation, sometimes even without regulation. The idea that you’re going to require and retrofit the technology is, at best expensive and impractical.

Perhaps we could take another cue from “Skyfall” and mandate Komodo dragons for self-defense. I’m not sure it’ll help the problem, it will cost a bunch, and has potential dangerous downsides, but if we can save just one life.

From Bond movies to chocolate bullets, my friends. You tell me whether this is a serious policy proposal. I mean, Vice President Biden is personally backing an idea from the deep well of policy knowledge upon which the Obama White House so often relies in this discussion— elementary school students asked to write letters by their parents and teachers.

It might not be unusual for schoolchildren to write to the president or vice president. But one Wisconsin boy got an unexpectedly personal response.

The 7-year-old, second-grade student at Downtown Montessori Academy wrote a letter to Vice President Joe Biden and other officials a few months ago with a simple idea for making the world safer.

His teacher Jenny Aicher says his letter suggested that if guns shot chocolate bullets, no one would get hurt.

The student — and the rest of the school — got a surprise Monday when Biden’s handwritten response arrived in the mail.

Biden’s reply:

Dear Myles,

I am sorry it to me so very long to respond to your letter. I really like your idea. If we had guns that shot chocolate, not only would our country be safer, it would be happier. People love chocolate.

You are a good boy,

J. Biden

Doesn’t he know we’re dealing with an obesity problem?

And, in good guys with guns news, some alleged burglars this week unwittingly locked a Houston man in his gun closet during their crime, and paid for it. As the news report says, “Wrong house. Wrong homeowner.” The neighbor in the video is great.

The victim of an armed home invasion in Houston has turned the tables on the brazen intruders after they stuffed him into a closet that turned out to be the place where he stores his gun.

Police say it all started at around 2pm Tuesday when three men broke into a home in the 8200 block of Braeburn Valley Drive and assaulted the resident.

After a brief scuffle, the hapless perpetrators shoved the man into a closet, not knowing that there was a gun in there.

When the homeowner thought the burglars had left, he went downstairs, carrying his gun in case the suspects were still around, the Houston Chronicle reported.

On the first floor, the man confronted one of his assailant and the two exchanged gunfire, according to police.

The resident, who shares the house with his parents, escaped unharmed, but the armed suspect was much the worse for wear after being struck in the shoulder and leg.

He fled on foot down the street, but did not get far before he collapsed.


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So if you and your wife have a pistol for home defense purposes, what happens if you’re incapacitated during the fight, on vacation, at work, running errands, et al.

I guess she’s just grist for the mill, eh libfree? nonpartisan, what about you? She deserves to die because her husband is out getting milk?

Washington Nearsider on May 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Make this known

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

May I repeat, Liberalism, where “thoughtful” legislation, unsubstantiated by empirical data, unfunded and unwanted by the majority of its law abiding, productive citizens, must be written in an effort to demonstrate “we did something”. (See Obamacare, Guns, War on Poverty, Dept of Ed.,Head Start, “Green” programs, Fannie Mae, Job Stimulus, etc).

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Yeah, I’m sure somebody’s going to hack up the Colt 1911 they got from their grandfather just to try to please these whiners.

Something tells me the criminal’s gun won’t have this nifty feature.

CurtZHP on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Chocolate bullets, now that’s something women would die for.

antipc on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Probably be programmed to shoot conservatives.

justltl on May 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

How about knives? Do they want to retrofit knives with this lovely technology?

Baseball bats?

Lead pipes?

How about being strangled by bare hands, do your hands need this as well?

ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

gotta really start teaching gun owners how to double-tap. One in the pumphouse, one in the breakerbox.

kurtzz3 on May 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No charges expected against the homeowner.

cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Didn’t these clowns pass the ban on plastic guns because of a movie? What was that movie called with John Malkovich?

How can any self respecting human being take any democrat seriously? They live in a fantasyland!

jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM

The idea that you’re going to require and retrofit the technology is, at best expensive and impractical.

Isn’t that the point?

If anybody would want a gun like that, it’s the cops, since they face the constant threat of their gun being taken away by criminals and used against them. So, why don’t you see departments armed with them or laws requiring cops to have them? Simple: They don’t exist — at least not with levels of reliability needed when you life depends on them working.

You want us to have a James Bond gun, Congressman Tierney? Government first.

Socratease on May 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Once again. I’m humbled by the simple honesty and wisdom of children. :)

*pauses for effect*

His teacher Jenny Aicher says his letter suggested that if guns shot chocolate bullets, no one would get hurt.

I demand that all police officers and military personnel immediately load their guns with chocolate bullets.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

It’s tempting to say that Biden’s mind operates on the level of a 2nd grader, but more likely he was just being nice to the kid.

Socratease on May 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Make this known

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

It’s not about gun control. Do not co-op the language. When they own the language, they own the argument. There is a reason they are doing this… ~ Don Bongino

Fallon on May 17, 2013 at 6:14 PM

A$$clowns.

jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM

How about being strangled by bare hands, do your hands need this as well?

ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Well, my hands are registered as lethal weapons… /

squint on May 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Liberals are so dumb. Do they really believe in the sh!t they throw out there as ideas? What a complete waste of time they are.

tommer74 on May 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM

It’s tempting to say that Biden’s mind operates on the level of a 2nd grader, but more likely he was just being nice to the kid.

Socratease on May 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM

We are talking about the guy who has given notoriously illegal advice on using shotguns on at least two separate occasions. And despite his protestations to the contrary, if he could make chocolate squirt guns the most lethal machine available to the public, he would.

Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I guess she’s just grist for the mill, eh libfree? nonpartisan, what about you? She deserves to die because her husband is out getting milk?
 
Washington Nearsider on May 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

 
That’s easy. Tackling:
 

come on, rodge, answer the question: was jarder loughner tackled while attempting to reload? could he have been tackled earlier had he not had so many goddamn bullets in one mag?
 
sesquipedalian on December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

rogerb on May 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Then they’d regulate and penalize chocolate ownership.

catmman on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Just wait till a kid brings a couple of the chocolate rounds to school.

tommer74 on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Just wait till a kid brings a couple of the chocolate rounds to school.

tommer74 on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

It’s all funny until someone gets “fudged up”.

squint on May 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Tierney, sounds like tyranny. Can you imagine, tho, how many jobs in Big Chocolate this would create? With all the different calibers out there the jobs list is endless.

Kissmygrits on May 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

“If we had guns that shot chocolate, not only would our country be safer, it would be happier. People love chocolate.”

– Joe Biden

Only if they have a creamy peanut butter center!

Kingfisher on May 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM

You can take down a unicorn with those chocolate bullets you know.

justltl on May 17, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Tierney, sounds like tyranny. Can you imagine, tho, how many jobs in Big Chocolate this would create? With all the different calibers out there the jobs list is endless.

I volunteer to test the quality of each caliber.

Do you think the bullet shortage will cause this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

Kingfisher on May 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Here’s a sneaky trick. Lick the grip of your handgun. Then, if a bad guy gets it, you’ll know that he is likely to get a really nasty sniffle.

(Don’t know what I’m trying to prove with this. Just made me chuckle when I thought if it)

kurtzz3 on May 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

You are a good boy,

J. Biden

Dayum. Just Dayum.

notropis on May 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Well, my hands are registered as lethal weapons… /

squint on May 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Just wait until they are fully regulated… and if you don’t ask permission for their use, why, they will have to make you mostly armless.

ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Back in the 1980s when I was an FFL licensed dealer, ammo manufacturer and gunsmith; a few people actually invented and marketed this concept, and a few silly cop shops and a few silly individuals actually purchased and implemented it.

Some were simple magnetic devices that operated from a magnet in a ring. Others were electronic, although I forget what the (un) locking mechanism was.

Batteries failed at inopportune times, Magnetic rings didn’t happen to be on the hand when bad guys broke in. Good people died because of it..

And while the concept might save lives of good guys who get disarmed in a fight, there is no way that a retrofitted firearm couldn’t be ‘unretrofitted’ in minutes, so that wouldn’t prevent crimes from being committed with stolen firearms.

LegendHasIt on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

And as far as chocolate goes…. Milk chocolate may not be instantly lethal….

Lets see, a Hershey’s kiss is about .72 Caliber.
How long before one of the YouTube gun channels loads up a 12 ga shell with one and shoots it at a watermelon?

But some of that dark chocolate is awfully hard, and I don’t think I’d want to be hit by a chunk traveling 1000fps. (You would probably need a gas check and a refrigerated barrel to get much more velocity.. I wonder what Hoppe’s No. 9 and chocolate smell like in solution. ;-)

LegendHasIt on May 17, 2013 at 6:56 PM

This concept has been “developing” for the last 20 years. And has a long way to go before it becomes FOOLPROOF. Last time I checked, their reliability was still between 75-80%. So if you fell into that other 20% at a critical time, guess the manufacturer would give you your money back.

Tierney is a FOOL. Next thing you know, Teirney will be insisting that everyone use Teleporters to go from one place to another.

It works in the movies.

GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Again when the FBI and the Presidential Security Detail adopt both the Chocolate Bullet and this Personalization Technology, I will adopt it…

BTW, a chocolate .40 cal pistol round is just a dangerous at 5-10 metres as a metal, I would imagine. Chocolate, like water isn’t “soft” at hi speeds….1-2 grams of ANYTHING moving at several hundred metres per second is going to hurt and do some damage.

JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Tierney is a FOOL. Next thing you know, Teirney will be insisting that everyone use Teleporters to go from one place to another.

I was hoping for the Holodeck, first, myself….Veronica Zemanova and I have a “rendezvous” if you know what I mean….

JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Dear Myles,

I am sorry it to me so very long to respond to your letter. I really like your idea. If we had guns that shot chocolate, not only would our country be safer, it would be happier. People love chocolate.

You are a good boy,

J. Biden

Ray Nagin was mayor of “Chocolate City”.

Biden wants to be VP of “Chocolate Nation”.

Bitter Clinger on May 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Has the race card been played yet? Chocolate bullets has to be code words for something bad.

meci on May 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I say we go the whole “Dredd” route….IIRC, when a baddie tried to use the rookie’s gun on her, it exploded, taking off the baddie’s arm! I’dd prefer that I think…

Also, can anyone explain how the Judge’s weapons worked? I’m puzzled how one small ammunition module could produce such a plethora and multiplicity of rounds…..

JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Just wait until they are fully regulated… and if you don’t ask permission for their use, why, they will have to make you mostly armless.

ajacksonian on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM

They can have my hands when they can pry them from my cold dead wrists!

squint on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Until the day comes when you find out your kids ate all the ammunition.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Ok, say this technology was available and my husband was the one the gun was fitted for.

He goes out of town, someone breaks into the house. The gun is of no use to me.

Idiots!!!!

Barred on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Back in the 1980s when I was an FFL licensed dealer, ammo manufacturer and gunsmith; a few people actually invented and marketed this concept, and a few silly cop shops and a few silly individuals actually purchased and implemented it.

Some were simple magnetic devices that operated from a magnet in a ring. Others were electronic, although I forget what the (un) locking mechanism was.

Batteries failed at inopportune times, Magnetic rings didn’t happen to be on the hand when bad guys broke in. Good people died because of it..

And while the concept might save lives of good guys who get disarmed in a fight, there is no way that a retrofitted firearm couldn’t be ‘unretrofitted’ in minutes, so that wouldn’t prevent crimes from being committed with stolen firearms.

LegendHasIt on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Even earlier, in the Seventies, some (redacted) tried to sell the magnetic ring version to several of our local PDs here. Trouble was, it consistently failed to work when the batteries in the revolver’s butt got weak. And since the default was “fire”, that meant that it would probably work if the perp tried to use the revolver on the officer.

By comparison, we solved the problem on the multi-county level by teaching weapon retention techniques. I.E., if perp tries to grab the sidearm, instead of pulling away, thrust forward with it like a knife. A gun barrel punch in the guts hurts. (Squeezing the trigger at the same time is optional.)

Probably the best solution was, and is, the Smith & Wesson autos with the magazine safety. If you’re about to lose control of the weapon, hit the mag release. It drops out, and the perp can’t fire the round in the chamber. I carried a 645 on duty for years for just that reason. Plus, I’d already come to appreciate the feature on my backup, a P-35 High Power.

I’ve always held that a second loaded gun is the fastest reload there is. And it should have a decently large magazine capacity. The reason being that if you’re in a situation where you need that “fast reload”, there’s a good chance you’re up against multiple assailants. And reloading either the primary or the backup might be a practical impossibility, because you’re in one of those situations in which, as the old river pilot’s saying goes,

th’ music be playin’ faster’n ye kin dance to

cheers

eon

eon on May 17, 2013 at 8:51 PM

k, say this technology was available and my husband was the one the gun was fitted for.

He goes out of town, someone breaks into the house. The gun is of no use to me.

Idiots!!!!

Silly, you can poop, pee and vomit on yourself, it’s not like you are DEFENSELESS, *SHEESH*

JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I say we go the whole “Dredd” route….IIRC, when a baddie tried to use the rookie’s gun on her, it exploded, taking off the baddie’s arm! I’dd prefer that I think…

Also, can anyone explain how the Judge’s weapons worked? I’m puzzled how one small ammunition module could produce such a plethora and multiplicity of rounds…..

JFKY on May 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Multiplicity, yes; plethora, no. The Lawgiver was based on an idea they apparently snitched from the original novel Logan’s Run by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson, written back in the Sixties.

Never mind the (stupid) movie and (stupider) TV show. The original Sandman Gun was a six-shot revolver, with a cylinder that could be replaced like the magazine in an automatic. Old idea, that; the Remington and Adams revolvers had that feature, and came with spare cylinders, back in percussion days. Watch the Clint Eastwood movie Pale Rider to see the Preacher (Clint) use that feature of the Remington 1861 Army (metallic-cartridge conversion) to “speedload” during the final gunfight.

The Sandman revolver held four types of rounds;

Tangler; fired a ‘net’ of very tough fibers that entangled the target.

Gas; trank round.

Ripper; Basically a Glaser prefragmented round, except with an actual explosive charge in it. Nasty.

Homer; an infra-red homer like a Sidewinder air-to-air missile, with a Ripper “warhead”. It homed on the exact heat of a human body, 98.6 degrees F.

A set of buttons on the grip let the Sandman select the round. Usual load was two Gas, one Tangler, two Ripper, one Homer.

The Lawgiver worked on a similar setup. a triple-stack magazine held three types of round; baton (rubber bullet), standard (armor-piercing), and explosive. The Judge selected the round he or she wanted by either flipping a lever on the side (in the comics) or by voice command (in the movie). The Lawgiver was also selective-fire in the comics; trouble was, once you’d selected the type of round (say, HE), and squeezed the trigger, the gun would cheerfully fire just that type on full-auto. Leaving you without that selection until you ejected that mag and put in a full one.

The mechanism inside apparently worked like the dual-feed on some automatic cannon like the old West German Gepard Flakpanzer anti-aircraft tank (dual Oerlikon/Contraves 35mm, firing 850 rounds per minute per barrel- nasty). That setup lets the gunner shift from, say, proximity-fuzed anti-aircraft to armor-piercing HE, if while he’s on overwatch for enemy tactical air an enemy tank suddenly pops over the next rise and bears down on him. Personally, I have my doubts about anything that sophisticated working consistently in a pistol, even one the size and weight of a freakin’ .50 Desert Eagle.

To add to the hilarity, the lower “box” on the movie version was apparently supposed to be some kind of grenade launcher, which was why when Dredd (Stallone) said “grenade”, its barrel extended, and it fired instead of the “regular” barrel. If you watched the “reimagined” Battlestar Galactica on Sci-Fi Channel, that funky little streamlined widget under the nose of their FN Five-SeveN pistols was supposed to be the same deal.

The problem with any version of the Lawgiver is that at best, its “multistack” magazine will only be able to hold about five or six rounds of any one type of ammo, total of fifteen to eighteen rounds. That’s about what most modern 9mm service pistols hold, and supposedly in Dredd’s Mega-City One a high-capacity 9mm isn’t a big enough gun, with enough firepower, to be survivable. Hence all the Judge firepower.

Maybe what they really need is more range time. I’ve found it can work wonders. Especially with classes of recruits who only know pistols, rifles, and shotguns from…TV cop shows.

(Yes, I’ve trained such. It was emphatically not an experience to calm one’s nerves.)

cheers

eon

eon on May 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

The Personalized Handgun Safety Act, inspired by “Skyfall,” but without the great theme song

Meh. Adele’s had much better songs that “Skyfall.”

Even this song by the male Adele The Neighbourhood was better than “Skyfall.”

Myron Falwell on May 18, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Clearly what we need is “Men” control.

ronsfi on May 18, 2013 at 7:08 AM

This has been discussed before with excruciating detail. In fact it comes up with nearly every mass shooting. Retrofitting 17th century technology with 21st is at best problematic… but most importantly, the technology is unreliable. It’ll be ready for prime time when the cops and the military adopt it.

John_G on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Because of the train wreck in Connecticut, I think we should ban trains that carry people. They are definitely dangerous, and Connecticut wants to ban anything that is dangerous. Just think about how many children are in danger because of wrecking trains!

Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

I know everyone loves the biometric locks on laptops. Why not implement that wildly successful technology on all our potentially life saving devices?

For that matter, if you’re going to have an electronic lockout on your weapon, why not a dual permission system that requires both the confirmed identity of the user and clearance from your local law enforcement agency to fire? They can simply be notified by the device that you have requested clearance to fire, and some lackey can press a little red button to clear you once they feel certain you’re not going to shoot an ex lover. Or any member of a historically disadvantaged or politically favorable group, union, or mostly peaceful protest. Or an animal with a treatable illness like rabies. And no shooting of any kind on Wednesdays, of course, or during regular school hours. Or within 1000 yards of an abortion clinic or mosque. They would of course be scrupulous in ascertaining that you are current in your Obamacare payments, and that you haven’t prayed to any unapproved Deities or donated to admittedly racist tea party groups.

Other than that it would be business as usual under the bill of rights. Carry on!

TexasDan on May 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

eon on May 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Dude, considering you were answering a question related to a comic book… whoa. You officially know way too much stuff.

And, yes, this is stupid technology; it always has been. If it’s an issue of the gun being picked up while it’s “laying around” then it shouldn’t be “laying around”. If it’s an issue of losing the gun in close quarters, then you probably screwed up tactically to start with, and you should use good weapons retention techniques to keep the gun instead of counting on technology to save your bacon.

BTW, what do you think will happen once the bad guy takes your disabled gun away from you? Now you’re no longer armed. At best, he’s gonna take that handgun and shove it up your Biden. At worst, he’s going to take out his weapon and kill you with it. Better to just hold onto the thing.

(And, good info, LegendHasIt and eon.)

GWB on May 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM