Is Scandalmania making amnesty more likely?

posted at 6:41 pm on May 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

This point has been made many, many, many times elsewhere this week, but let me put out a little BOLO of my own just in case attention on our side of the aisle is starting to wander too far from immigration. There are two theories on how Scandalmania might affect O’s second-term agenda. Theory one: It destroys any chance of compromise on legislation by rendering O so politically toxic that congressional Republicans simply can’t be seen to have anything to do with him. To borrow Scarborough’s point from this morning, if you think the IRS is corrupt and/or incompetent in processing tea partiers’ tax-exempt applications, why not also assume that the feds would be corrupt and/or incompetent on gun control — or border security? Whatever shred of trust in government that was left among Republicans is now gone, which means O’s second-term agenda is hopelessly off the rails. See, e.g., DrewM’s post this morning for an example of the post-scandal “shut it down” approach in action.

Theory two: Scandalmania actually makes compromise more likely because it gives congressional Republicans all sorts of exciting new ways to seem tough on Obama while they’re busy making policy deals with him. Have you noticed that Marco Rubio’s been very eager this week to throw roundhouses at Obama and the IRS? There’s a reason for that:

“Rubio has gone full bore on the IRS,” said Republican consultant Keith Appell, who is active in the conservative movement. “Immigration is a tough, tough fight he may not win, and these scandals are giving him a bit of a reprieve to talk about something else.”

Rubio was the first member of Congress to call for the resignation of the IRS chief, pre-empting President Obama’s first public comments on the controversy. Rubio followed up his demand Monday morning with a bill that would make it a crime for IRS employees to target political groups, a fiery speech on the Senate floor, and a flurry of television appearances in which he also condemned the administration’s response to the Benghazi attacks and the Justice Department’s seizure of journalists’ phone records…

The IRS controversy adds to a growing portfolio that will help inoculate Rubio from being pigeonholed as the Hispanic senator who wants to allow 11 million illegal immigrants to earn citizenship.

Yes, it’s true, beating on O for his scandals helps Rubio in 2016, as it would help any prospective Republican candidate, but that’s not the point. The point is that, arguably, being tough on Obama for Benghazi and the IRS actually enables immigration reform because it earns Rubio some extra conservative political cred with the right that he can spend on legislative compromise. How could he be selling out to O on amnesty when he’s on Fox News destroying him for his scandals every night? It’s a strategic move, and one which Obama’s probably happy to tolerate in the name of getting something big passed in his second term. Remember, Obama crony Dan Pfeiffer said plainly three months ago that “As long as Sen. Rubio and the rest of the gang are making real progress on immigration reform, we are happy to be on the sidelines and even serve as a punching bag every once in a while.” That’s exactly how Rubio’s treating him now. Mickey Kaus gazes upon the kabuki before him and calls it (tongue in cheek) Obama’s most fiendish plot yet:

In its most fiendish strategem yet, Team Obama has launched a series of not-quite-devastating but press-obsessing scandals against itself! The confluence of the Internal Revenue Service, Benghazi and AP stories means that dreadful details of the Schumer-Rubio bill will get pushed off the front pages. Reporters who might otherwise cover it will be temporarily sent to Cincinatti to interview IRS whistleblowers. Meanhwile, the scandals give Sen. Rubio and other Republicans a chance to bash Obama about something new, giving them the anti-Obama cred that might allow them to quietly sell out on amnesty and hand Obama his greatest second-term triumph! Similarly, the scandals give conservative activists an alternative, substitute target for their outrage, all the more so because the anger is legitimate. As Greg Sargent put it, the scandals could “distract right wing base for long enough for Graham and Rubio to slip immigration reform past them.” (Dem strategist Joe Trippi tweeted in response: “Shhhhh …”)…

P.S.: The scandals might also prevent Team Obama from launching a campaign of presidential speeches and press events designed to mobilize public support for amnesty–something that didn’t work on Obamacare, or gun control, or on any issue, for that matter, and that in this case would probably only succeed in rousing the opposition. Cunning, I tell you. …

He posted that yesterday afternoon at a little past 4:30 p.m. Two hours later, news broke that the House’s version of the Gang of Eight, which had been at an impasse on immigration reform just two days earlier, had miraculously broken through and reached a deal. Dude?

Exit question: Which theory is correct, the first or the second? I know which one the GOP intelligentsia prefers, but they won’t go to the mat on amnesty if there’s still lots of resistance on the right to the Gang of Eight bill. Is there, or are the IRS and Benghazi scandals the main levers of discontent for the foreseeable future?


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Yep, probably.

Geeze, what an Eeyore.

cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

If we were a nation of sanity these scandals would kill immigration reform. The federal government cannot be trusted with anything at this point. Especially with the democrats controlling most of it.

jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Not sure I would agree with that, as I see scandalpoloosa as being toxic to the government. Such that, no matter what is prepared, no one will trust the government to fix immigration. They have demonstrated such a bad smell, that no one will agree to anything that the government approves of, even LIV.

uncommon sense on May 17, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

B! how’s it going?

uncommon sense on May 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Exit question: Which theory is correct, the first or the second?

I won’t say you’re necessarily wrong, but I will say the (convoluted, counter-intuitive, pessimistic) theory is the most Allahpundit and Mickey Kaus thing ever.

HitNRun on May 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Immigration is way down the list of concerns for Americans. This IRS thing is HUGE. It virtually guarantees picking up seats in the midterms. The LAST thing the GOP should do is go on a James Sensenbrenner, JD Hayworth, Tom Tancredo Anti Illegal moron fest for the next few months.

AYNBLAND on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Unless Cruz follows “Sen.”, they are not to be trusted. And I have Ted on a short leash. Marco is a 99′er.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Rubio…2016

Redford on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Strike while the iron is hot–said no GOPe-er ever. (That includes you, Rubio.)

davidk on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Rubio the Worm will try to take advantage of it to push his Jihad against America.

Morning Examiner: Sen. Marco Rubio ‘kneecaps’ fellow conservatives (April 23, 2013):
“Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., is running a campaign-style press operation to push an immigration overhaul, a fitting move for a politician who needs it to bolster a rumored 2016 presidential bid,” Roll Call reports this morning. “Rubio’s Senate office has adopted a rapid-response strategy similar to Obama for America’s vaunted 2012 tactics,” Roll Call continues.

The wider conservative movement (evidently not including Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity however who don’t seem to even mind their dear friend Rubio the lying worm using Obama type talking points and tactics against conservatives to try to push amnesty down America’s throat) is taking note of Rubio’s talking points and tactics. National Review‘s Victor Davis Hanson writes:

“The strange thing about the Republican members in the Gang of Eight debate is that to ram through immigration legislation, they and their supporters are beginning to adopt the same sort of tactics that we have seen used by the Left during the fights over Obamacare and gun control: obfuscate the issue by imprecise vocabulary and ahistorical allusions; demonize your opponents with all sorts of crazy accusations of quasi-tolerance of “slavery” to abortion; create a false sort of urgency (we are supposed to pass this very minute the huge and mostly unread immigration bill in the manner of the huge and unread Obamacare bill); and speak loftily of principles and humanitarianism when the issue is mostly driven by electoral politics and demography.”

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VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

If you don’t want Obama to get the credit, you have to impeach him first.

ninjapirate on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Ain’t no way, ain’t no how the House is going to pass that POS put together by the Senate. If they think the phone lines ‘burned up’ the last time they tried getting amnesty, the phone lines WILL MELT this time!

GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

It bette not.If it does the GOP will lose the House as millions more conservatives stay home!

redware on May 17, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I will guess scandalmania kills it, but I’m on optimist.

mjbrooks3 on May 17, 2013 at 6:53 PM

With all the sh!t sliding down the pike right now, all I want is for our representatives in Washington to CARE AS MUCH ABOUT US, WHO PUT THEM THERE AND HAVE BEEN SUFFERING THIS SH!T, as they do about those who’ve never paid a dime, or a drop of blood and seem to think they deserve what we have. Justify that to me, please.

waterytart on May 17, 2013 at 6:53 PM

If you don’t want Obama to get the credit, you have to impeach him first.

ninjapirate on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Good point.

One might ask that if amnesty is to be blamed on Obama, would they drag their feet on amnesty?

But as vocal as Rubio has been, sounds like he does want credit for it (from his amigos?) so would be eager to can Obama.

davidk on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Rubio sold his soul to the establishment too early, they corn-holed him too fast… Not sure he would be re-elected senator in Fl. let alone president in 2016

uncommon sense on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

We are to believe that ‘all of the all of this’ is in isolation, of course.

mickytx on May 17, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Theory one: It destroys any chance of compromise on legislation by rendering O so politically toxic that congressional Republicans simply can’t be seen to have anything to do with him.

Theory two: Scandalmania actually makes compromise more likely because it gives congressional Republicans all sorts of exciting new ways to seem tough on Obama while they’re busy making policy deals with him.

So basically no one is worried about the rule of law and our national security, right ?

burrata on May 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

The LAST thing the GOP should do is go on a James Sensenbrenner, JD Hayworth, Tom Tancredo Anti Illegal moron fest for the next few months.

AYNBLAND on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

You sound like a Rubio moron.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

So basically no one is worried about the rule of law and our national security, right ?

burrata on May 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Not Obama and not his Mini-me Rubio.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM

If these idiot republicans would just say simply that with all these scandles going on, how on earth can we trust this administration on immigration? a really easy out but they seem to be hell-bent on their extinction

sadsushi on May 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM

You’re really over thinking this AP.

The Immigration bill is a goner. Along with any other type of comprehensive legislation.

Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Nothing will convince me Rubio is not a sell out.

NeoKong on May 17, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I like Rubio. I voted for him and gave him money.

But now he’s just a toady poodle. Maybe he’ll see the light soon.

Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

McCain/Graham/Rubio want to make sure the American people know they can get along with their “friends” in the Senate, so whatever it takes…

SouthernGent on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Do you know what a pack of wolves do when they smell blood? They don’t much care about anything except the task at hand. This kind of blog post just reinforces that pundits have too much time on their hands.

Metanis on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

The point is that, arguably, being tough on Obama for Benghazi and the IRS actually enables immigration reform because it earns Rubio some extra conservative political cred with the right that he can spend on legislative compromise.

I think the Rubio threads from the last couple of days– precisely the posts in which he is attacking the administration on Benghazi and the IRS– kill that argument. Assuming that HA commenters are a fair sampling of the right.

de rigueur on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

By all means the GOP should help Obama accomplish his agenda of disenfranchising every US citizen by opening the floodgates to illegals, at the height of the first real leverage we’ve had over Obama in 5 years.

That is, if the goal is to convince me the GOP is giddy that Obama’s taking care of conservatives and the Tea Party for them.

I didn’t think my disgust with the GOP could get any deeper, but they’ve found a way.

Mayday on May 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM

You sound like a Rubio moron.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

This I the same moron who blasted Hotair as Mark Levin sycophants because we don’t like Chris Christie.

jawkneemusic on May 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Both are true, but which scenario wins remains to be seen. No doubt Rubio is trying to have something passed in the metaphorical middle of the night. And the press will be all too happy to cover other things.

Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM

If you don’t want Obama to get the credit, you have to impeach him first.

ninjapirate on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Good point.

One might ask that if amnesty is to be blamed on Obama, would they drag their feet on amnesty impeachment?

But as vocal as Rubio has been, sounds like he does want credit for it (from his amigos?) so would be eager to can Obama.

davidk on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Fixed.

davidk on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Uh, Rubio is going “full bore on the IRS” this week because his conservative support is tanking due to his ridiculous 24/7 AMNESTY push – apparently, conservatives are not too keen on Rubio pushing one of obama’s top agenda priorities (and many are wondering who is pulling Rubio’s strings) …

POLL: CONSERVATIVE SUPPORT FOR MARCO RUBIO PLUMMETS

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/15/POLL-Conservative-Support-for-Marco-Rubio-Plummets

Rubio is an obama-style opportunist, and just like obama, when there is pushback, Rubio is DESPERATE to change the subject.

Rubio chose AMNESTY for ILLEGALS as his signature issue – without it, he has nothing – his political career is toast.

Pork-Chop on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

B! how’s it going?

uncommon sense on May 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Very well my friend. Hope you are well also. Sorry to not be around these days. Very covered up with work and such. The contract will play itself out in about two more months. Then I might be able to return to normal. ; )

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

As far as I’m concerned if Amnesty is passed it will be the biggest scandal yet and I hope it leads to rebellion.

FloatingRock on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Maybe he’ll see the light soon.

Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Still won’t trust him.

davidk on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

I like Rubio. I voted for him and gave him money.

But now he’s just a toady poodle. Maybe he’ll see the light soon.

Curtiss on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

And he’s rewarding you with his amnesty bill

HotAirLib on May 17, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Allahpundit is usually pretty good at scoping out the intricacies of the political strategy on the Hill but I don’t think that the scandals help amnesty pushers.

Since they have just proven themselves to be liars, cheats and incompetents, why would that make the opposition suddenly work with the dems? I would definitely let your Rep. and Senator know that compromising with these crooks will make them unemployed.

Vince on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Scandalmania:

“Karen” on the Hugh Hewitt show explained how when she tried to set up two non-profit Tea Party organizations, she was immediately beset multiple times by the IRS, including audits, two face-to-face meetings with the FBI, three follow-up calls by the FBI, and two in-home invasive audits by the ATF.

Tip of the iceberg, folks

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

As far as I’m concerned if Amnesty is passed it will be the biggest scandal yet and I hope it leads to rebellion.

FloatingRock on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Interesting. Thought the biggest scandal was Benghazi. You all don’t have the patience to ride a “scandal” to fruition do you?

HotAirLib on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM

It’s worse for Obama’s agenda to claim “I didn’t know” than if he directed the IRS behavior. IOW he’s saying, the liberal, criminal bias is baked in the cake. He didn’t have to order anything; they intuited that it was okay and did it on their own.

That makes the problem unfixable, so why trust them with health care?

PattyJ on May 17, 2013 at 7:16 PM

If Rubio wants amnesty, he can run on that in 2016. Until then, the laws of this nation require the borders to be secured.

HopeHeFails on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

This is sweet. A troll pinning his hopes on a nutball.

cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Interesting. Thought the biggest scandal was Benghazi. You all don’t have the patience to ride a “scandal” to fruition do you?

HotAirLib on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Obama has so many big scandals it’s hard to tell which is the biggest, especially as all of them keep getting bigger as more and more lies are uncovered. Maybe that’s his strategy – to overwhelm the country with is crimes.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Immigration is way down the list of concerns for Americans. This IRS thing is HUGE. It virtually guarantees picking up seats in the midterms. The LAST thing the GOP should do is go on a James Sensenbrenner, JD Hayworth, Tom Tancredo Anti Illegal moron fest for the next few months.

AYNBLAND on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

The GOPe is not known as the Smart Party for a reason.

Myron Falwell on May 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Interesting. Thought the biggest scandal was Benghazi. You all don’t have the patience to ride a “scandal” to fruition do you?

HotAirLib on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM

True but we do have really cool names for them, right HAL?

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:21 PM

It makes Immigration Reform impossible, I always held it had little chance anyway, now forget it.

The main theme of a path to citizenship was that the illegals would have to go through a tough series of benchmarks in order to become legal. My view is that in itself was not a bad idea, IF the benchmarks are made very high.

The trouble is if the people who are going to judge when those benchmarks have been met are a bunch of untrustworthy progressive clowns, like the folks who run the Justice Dept. and Homeland security for example, than it would be seen as straight amnesty not some long drawn out path to citizenship. This is where Rubio failed. He could have come out front if he had put that power into the hands of the states on the borders, or the legislative branch, but instead he settled for the Executive branch to have the final say, and right now the Federal Government is not exactly seen as trust worthy by conservatives, and for that matter by even a lot of moderates.

Nothing is going to get done from this point at all on anything even with hint of being controversial…

If Rubio had as much political sense as I thought he had, which clearly at this point he does not (his support for the Syrian rebels should have been a red flag for me), he would dump this sinking ship or scuttle it by supporting a state run commission to decide when benchmarks are met that has the authority to make the final decision or leave it up the legislative branch, not homeland security.

William Eaton on May 17, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Exit question: Which theory is correct, the first or the second? I know which one the GOP intelligentsia prefers, but they won’t go to the mat on amnesty if there’s still lots of resistance on the right to the Gang of Eight bill. Is there, or are the IRS and Benghazi scandals the main levers of discontent for the foreseeable future?

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Has it occurred to you, AP, the more likely response to the currently evolving scandals is a widespread repudiation of the Washington Empire and all of its elitists?

We are currently T -4.5 months to the Obamacare Kickoff Nightmare.

In between now and then, virtually everyone is going to be getting unpleasant news about their healthcare premiums going up by 30 – 100 %.

Do YOU think the Immigration Bill with its massive expansion of the power of the DHS and unquantified Obamacare cost impacts is going to “slip under the radar”?

Seriously ???

PolAgnostic on May 17, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Scandalmania:

“Karen” on the Hugh Hewitt show explained how when she tried to set up two non-profit Tea Party organizations, she was immediately beset multiple times by the IRS, including audits, two face-to-face meetings with the FBI, three follow-up calls by the FBI, and two in-home invasive audits by the ATF.

Tip of the iceberg, folks

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

There was a time when the Federal Government went after Al Capone. Now, under Obama, the Federal Government is Al Capone.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see amnesty pass while everyone’s busy chasing the squirrels.

That’s what Hagmann’s post was about although he was pointing out the scandalpalooza this week was designed to take the heat off Benghazi.

But who knows. It might be a backdoor amnesty strategy as well.

If amnesty passes the POS and the dims win, forever, so maybe it is the brass ring.

What ticks me off more than anything is just how far the POS went to steal the election through the IRS and how eagerly the presstitutes enabled him.

Also, the architects of his monstrous reign have all disappeared back into the woodwork and gotten away scottfree. Axeldouhe, Gibsy, Timmy G, Rahmbo, Ghoulsbee, they’re all gone leaving schmucks like Miller holding the ball.

wyntre9 on May 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

“Karen” on the Hugh Hewitt show explained how when she tried to set up two non-profit Tea Party organizations, she was immediately beset multiple times by the IRS, including audits, two face-to-face meetings with the FBI, three follow-up calls by the FBI, and two in-home invasive audits by the ATF.
Tip of the iceberg, folks

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 7:12

So the FBI has no time or the inclination to followup on a warning about the Joker jihady of Boston , but will gladly persue a private taxpaying citizen because she doesn’t want her country to go bankrupt ?
And ATF ? ATF? They smuggle guns for the drug cartels instead of stopping them , but harass an American citizen just because she wants her government to follow the Constitution ?
FBI = Fumbling Bumbling Idiots
ATF = Arming The Foes
IRS = Islamic Retribution Service

burrata on May 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

As far as I’m concerned if Amnesty is passed it will be the biggest scandal yet and I hope it leads to rebellion.

FloatingRock on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Interesting. Thought the biggest scandal was Benghazi. You all don’t have the patience to ride a “scandal” to fruition do you?

HotAirLib on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I will agree with FR, not that this happens often, but to answer your comment HAL, no, this isn’t over yet, we have so much too look forward to. We will ride out all scandals to the end, and even a train derailment won’t save the one now… maybe if we have a major event, but even then, i”m not sure this will go away.

uncommon sense on May 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Remember, Boehner hasn’t had an opportunity to cave on much lately and may be feeling withdrawal symptoms. Worrisome.

a capella on May 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

The Obama administration is a crime syndicate. La Obama Nostra.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

I take the bi-partisan approach–we sign their Senate amnesty bill AFTER the Senate supports the House’s articles of impeachment and Obortion is on I-90 back to Sh*tcago.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

This is sweet. A troll pinning his hopes on a nutball.

cozmo on May 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Well, in fairness, that is easier than trying to get a pair of balls atached to a troll.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

If you ever needed prove that Allahpundit is anything but a conservative, this post cements it.
Does he really believe ANY conservative is going to be willing to p*ss away the country via amnesty because that traitor Rubio throws a couple jabs at the president?
These scandals clearly make any gang of 8 bill less likely. The American people, who are against amnesty by the way, will solidify in their resolve to defeat this bill.
Rubio’s ‘tough guy’ BS means absolutely nothing to a real conservative, in fact it makes him look even more like a typical two faced politician. Cruz for President!

AmeriCuda on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Remember, Boehner hasn’t had an opportunity to cave on much lately and may be feeling withdrawal symptoms. Worrisome.

a capella on May 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

LOL.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM

While these scandals are disgusting, the point is important: the current amnesty bill needs to be kept front and center.

These Leftists (Dem and GOP) are not giving up. What do you think they do all day? Never forget how ObamaCare was rammed through: Back door shady deals, lies, a corrupt Legacy Media, bill never read, etc. They’ll do it again. The electorate must stay engaged.

visions on May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Now we know who Obama’s real dad was – a sperm donation from Al Capone.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM

That look on Shumer’s face as he eyes Rubio says it all: “I so own you, punk, you’re doing my bidding.”

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Our local talk radio station has been playing the hell out of this spot featuring Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio jawing about how we need to solve the amnesty problem, so, yeah, I’d say they’re trying to sneak it past us while we are still dealing with the IRS revelations.

PatriotGal2257 on May 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Theory one: It destroys any chance of compromise on legislation by rendering O so politically toxic that congressional Republicans simply can’t be seen to have anything to do with him.

Theory two: Scandalmania actually makes compromise more likely because it gives congressional Republicans all sorts of exciting new ways to seem tough on Obama while they’re busy making policy deals with him.

You forgot theory 3: Scandalmania has no bearing on Republicans’ calculations of Obama’s political toxicity, but instead diverts Congress’ attention to dealing with the IRS, Benghazi, and the DOJ that it crowds-out amnesty on the Congressional calendar.

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I take the bi-partisan approach–we sign their Senate amnesty bill AFTER the Senate supports the House’s articles of impeachment and Obortion is on I-90 back to Sh*tcago.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Amnesty will destroy the country. I understand you wanting to get rid of pres POS but that price is too high.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Assuming that HA commenters are a fair sampling of the right.

de rigueur on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

No way. Romney couldn’t have gotten the nomination, were that the case.

I hope it leads to rebellion.

FloatingRock on May 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Don’t. He’d love to declare martial law and scotch the 2016 election.

wolfsDad on May 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

It’s probably too late for Rubio to unsell his one-trick pony act. To do so he would have to emerge as a real leader on a different unassociated issue. I don’t see anything coming up that he can lead on.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

You forgot theory 3: Scandalmania has no bearing on Republicans’ calculations of Obama’s political toxicity, but instead diverts Congress’ attention to dealing with the IRS, Benghazi, and the DOJ that it crowds-out amnesty on the Congressional calendar.

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

+ 1,000. I think this is the likely outcome and the desired path.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Amnesty will destroy the country. I understand you wanting to get rid of pres POS but that price is too high.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

And Rubio is it’s main pusher, faceman and spokesmouth yet Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity keep telling us he is a good guy. What little men.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Rubio gets no “cred” from me simply because he’s talking a hard line with all the scandals right now. Hell, Ol’ Chris Tingle is talking a similar line about Bark and I wouldn’t piss on the man if he were on fire.

Rubio is still trying to spoon with every demorat in sight in regards to amnesty, and any GOP’er willing to do that can pound the entire Sahara straight up.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

It’s probably too late for Rubio to unsell his one-trick pony act. To do so he would have to emerge as a real leader on a different unassociated issue. I don’t see anything coming up that he can lead on.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Rubio is a backshooter and not to be trusted on anything.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

And Rubio is it’s main pusher, faceman and spokesmouth yet Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity keep telling us he is a good guy. What little men.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Rubio needs to wakeTF up.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Is it safe to say then that the Republicans are feeling a bit left out in the news and want to stir up some scandals of their own? Sure, if they want their own version of Obamacare to “level the playing field” on who is worse with backdoor ‘pass it before you can see what’s in it’ type legislation then yeah… go ahead Republicans.

I think everyone wanted to remove any shred of a doubt that all politicians are against us and that burning it all to the ground is the only real viable option at this point.

Ukiah on May 17, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Rubio says that the Obama administration is untrustworthy except on amnesty where it’s completely trustworthy. Who could be dumb enough to believe a single thing coming out of his mouth anymore? He is nothing but an Obama Mini-me.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Ol’ Chris Tingle is talking a similar line about Bark and I wouldn’t piss on the man if he were on fire.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

But, would you piss on him if he weren’t on fire? Hmmmmm….

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

And Rubio is it’s main pusher, faceman and spokesmouth yet Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity keep telling us he is a good guy. What little men.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Rubio needs to wakeTF up.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:38 PM

No sir, it is us who need to wakeTF up on Rubio. Whatever sparkly promises we were made by this guy or those around him, this gang stuff he’s involved in should put to bed all that hype he’d been sold on. This is the real deal Rubio – anybody still playing the whole Obama game of “He’s a nice guy even though I hate his policies” with Rubio is the one who needs to judge him on his substance and not his talky ‘history of his family’ speech that has been run into the ground. This is the guy… you don’t like it, vote him out. If I were down in his town I’d be feeling pretty ticked at being sold something he ain’t and be pretty fired up to primary the guy at this point.

Ukiah on May 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM

I’d be surprised if amnesty went forward at this time. I think most people just want to call a time-out on anything that grows or gives more regulatory power to this government. Hell, if the illegals were smart they’d head for the hills because our government will only end up screwing them over like they are us citizens.

KickandSwimMom on May 17, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Ukiah on May 17, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Fair enough. I always liked Rubio, sent campaign $ and even went to see him speak here in LV. The amnesty thing is a deal breaker and I do understand your point.

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Our local talk radio station has been playing the hell out of this spot featuring Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio jawing about how we need to solve the amnesty problem, so, yeah, I’d say they’re trying to sneak it past us while we are still dealing with the IRS revelations.

PatriotGal2257 on May 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Dammit yes I am so sick of hearing that damn thing. One day that I was able to listen to most of Rush for three hours I heard it six times. It’s full of damnable lies and makes the thing sound like it is stopping an amnesty.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM

visions on May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Well said.

wyntre9 on May 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Ol’ Chris Tingle is talking a similar line about Bark and I wouldn’t piss on the man if he were on fire.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

But, would you piss on him if he weren’t on fire? Hmmmmm….

VegasRick on May 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I would.
As long as someone holds him down for me.
( I’m a girl :O )

burrata on May 17, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I’d be surprised if amnesty went forward at this time. I think most people just want to call a time-out on anything that grows or gives more regulatory power to this government. Hell, if the illegals were smart they’d head for the hills because our government will only end up screwing them over like they are us citizens.

KickandSwimMom on May 17, 2013 at 7:44 PM

It’s long past time to take a machete to the Beast with a Thousand Heads.

squint on May 17, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Theory one: It destroys any chance of compromise on legislation by rendering O so politically toxic that congressional Republicans simply can’t be seen to have anything to do with him.

Er … Barky was always this toxic. He’s always been a dead-ender America-hater and retard of the highest order bent on destroying this country. Anyone who has ever even thought of working with the treasonous Indonesian Imbecile is, himself, a traitor – I’m looking at you, you Weeping Boner and all the GOP scum in the House who have helped Barky along. The sudden recognition of sh!t that Barky and th edems have been doing every single day since he first slimed into office doesn’t change any of this. The GOP was voted back into power in Congress to stop this demented monster. Boner and the rest of the cowards failed miserably in that. They preferred to stab conservatives in the face and play footsie with the warped, imbecilic Sukarno knock-off.

This wasn’t theory one but just the obvious truth of the situation since Jan 2009 – and before.

Theory two: Scandalmania actually makes compromise more likely because it gives congressional Republicans all sorts of exciting new ways to seem tough on Obama while they’re busy making policy deals with him.

These rat bastids in the GOP are just looking to screw America over with their buddies the America-hating dems. They are all scum. The new acknowledgements of scandals that we have all known about for a very long time (and so many others) changes NOTHING. The GOP are pond scum. The dems are green slime. Barky is dog-sh!t, though with a few less IQ points and not as much talent.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM

It’s an interesting caveat and complacency is never good but I remain TOTALLY FIRED UP TO DEFEAT OBAMA/RUBIO/SCHUMER!!

DaMav on May 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM

… … two face-to-face meetings with the FBI, three follow-up calls by the FBI … …

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

There was a time when the FBI investigated crime syndicates. Now the FBI investigates for a crime syndicate.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

There was a time when the FBI investigated crime syndicates. Now the FBI investigates for a crime syndicate.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Well put.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I once thought Rubio would make a good president. Now I have no doubt he is just another RINO in bed with the left, and I’ll stay home before I would vote for him if he runs for president.

jqc1970 on May 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM

How does THAT make any sense ? I doubt for a second that House Republicans want anything to do with a vote on Amnesty, so the distraction of the many Obama scandals is perfect for them.

Hey, why haven’t you guys taken up Amnesty yet ? Hey, look another Obama scandal…

deadrody on May 17, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Ain’t no way, ain’t no how the House is going to pass that POS put together by the Senate. If they think the phone lines ‘burned up’ the last time they tried getting amnesty, the phone lines WILL MELT this time!

GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

No, they’re trying to pass their own excrement filled bill that will still grant citizenship. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing that can possibly stop this bill is outrage from the public. It was hard enough in 2006/2007, but we now have more of the spineless traitorous GOP pushing it this time. Not one GOP on the senate judiciary voted for Sessions amendment to cap legal immigration at 3.3 million a year, which in itself is outrageous. Cruz got his first negative phone call from me on that one. I said, what’s the magic number, 50 million a year, 100 million or until we’re China? Legal immigrants from third world countries are voting 70% Dem. Call a couple of House reps every day. I close my door at work and call at lunch.

TxAnn56 on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM

No hat tip AllahPundit?

The GOP elites are giddy because they get to beat up on Obama while regaining some credibility with the conservative base so they can push through amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens. Oh by the way I tuned in to Rush for the 1st time in a long time and 3 minutes in I get an obnoxious Ryan/Rubio amnesty commercial full of left-wing talking points. I immediately changed the channel and will never listen to Rush again.

Wigglesworth on May 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Wigglesworth on May 17, 2013 at 8:21 PM

No matter what, if they pass an immigration bill where amnesty happens before all security (border, visa, employment, etc.) are complete and effective, I will never vote for another republican on a national ticket as long as I live. So help me God.

jaime on May 17, 2013 at 8:24 PM

I once thought Rubio would make a good president. Now I have no doubt he is just another RINO in bed with the left, and I’ll stay home before I would vote for him if he runs for president.

jqc1970 on May 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Yep. He might enter the primary, but he won’t last long.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

if you look at europe, there are a plethora of parties, in every shade of progressive/socialist.

and in fact, we have the same here in the US. It would be more honest to have several parties here…McCain et al. would be the progressive, Keynesian, hawk party.

Then we’d have a Conservative Republican party with Cruz, et al. Much more honest.

Our current system allows for all manner of Rs to campaign as Rs, with the voters thinking that means this or that…then when in office it frees up the R to sell himself to the highest bidder. Sweet deal.

I don’t think we should dismiss Kaus’ theory off hand. IRS and the AP scandals were released by barry after all…what great cover for the progressive Rs to huddle with the left to shove immigration thru. KFC, Google, FB and the Chamber of Commerce will always be grateful to them….and there’s a lot of $$$$$$$$ in that goodwill.

r keller on May 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

AP….Sorry, Charlie, but this concept has zero validity. While there are many important issues that conservatives will rally around, two are fundamentally non-negotiable:

1. 2nd Amendment..aka – gun control/grabbing.
2. Amnesty…aka – immigration reform

Any Republican who joins with the Dems on EITHER of these issues…is dead the next time they are up for election. In addition, if there was ever an issue that would actually result in the formation of a 3rd party…it’s #1 above…followed closely by #2 above. And here’s where the Republicans need to really pay attention…that 3rd party is not going to come at the expense of the Democrats. Sure, it will almost certainly give complete control of things to the Dems for 10-20 years, but at least at the end of that period there would be a new party of sufficient strength and scope to begin the process of actually fixing what’s wrong with the country…even the damage the Dems will have done during that interim period. Oh, and that party won’t be the group formerly known as the Republican Party….it will be something new.

ScottiesRule on May 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Yep. I’ve never heard it on any other station I listen to regularly, only when I listen to Rush most afternoons. Makes me wonder if some of the local talk show hosts who are also on this station realize what an inconsistency it is airing such deceptive commercials that go against everything they are talking about or if they have no say in what gets aired in the first place. If I were a conservative talk show host, I’d sure say something about it, or make sure I offer a disclaimer on my show disavowing such a blatantly dishonest commercial like that.

PatriotGal2257 on May 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM

ScottiesRule on May 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM

From your lips, to God’s ears.

TitularHead on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

True conservatives will say to Obama (and more importantly, RINO squishes) : Go ahead, make our day.

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Rubio hasn’t earned any extra cred from conservatives. That is kind of like saying Benedict Arnold could have revived his place in the Revolution by talking bad about King Obama George.

Panther on May 17, 2013 at 9:39 PM

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