Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on May 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Republicans must guard against the temptation to count on scandal to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.

It is a lesson they should have learned in 1998.
 Republicans expected to make large gains in Congress that year but ended up losing five House seats and standing pat in the Senate. The problem was not so much that Republicans “overreached” in pursuing the impeachment of President Clinton, as the conventional wisdom has it. The Republicans that year did not really run on a promise to remove Clinton from office — or on any other agenda. Their strategy was to assume that the scandal would redound to their benefit, and that they merely had to sit back and let victory rain o’er them. It didn’t.

The current lot should not make the same mistake. Democratic scandal does not take the place of a Republican agenda. It does not reform the tax code or reduce the debt or ease regulatory burdens on small business. It cannot substitute for a strategy to replace Obamacare.

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As Domenech noted this morning:

“Here’s the hard thing Republicans have to do if they don’t want this crisis to go to waste: they have to ignore their id, the temptation of the sugar high of partisan point-scoring. They must willfully set aside Obama’s presence in the fray, leaving the short term personalized attacks on the table, and go after the much bigger prize. Obama isn’t running for office again. Liberalism is. Making this about him is a short term boost to the pleasure center of the conservative brain. Making this about the inherent falsehood of the progressive project will help conservatism win.”…

Republicans must remember that the problem is not Democrats in charge of government, but government itself. The argument falls flat if Republicans revert to “big government conservative” arguments of “put us in charge” and we’ll do better with the same. No they won’t.

Government is the problem. The vastness, complexity, and nefarious encroachment into our personal lives should be fought, not just blamed on the other side.

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It’s fine if there is at some point political hay to be made out of this — that’s a key part of the adversarial nature of accountability in democratic politics, not a defect within it — but it would be a far better thing for the country if the president were to adopt such an aggressively reformist agenda for the IRS that there would be no hay to be made, no room to get to the right of him on the issue. The important thing is to make sure that the administration does the right thing here, even if it does so only because it is in the president’s political interests. When political incentives produce desirable outcomes, we should let them work. If the president wants to take the lead in this matter, fine: That’s what we have presidents for. That does not mean that Congress steps away from its oversight responsibilities or conducts anything less than a full and deep investigation: That’s why we have separation of powers.

I myself doubt very much that the president or any of his immediate circle had a hand in this — it is in the nature of the Left (and in the nature of political power itself) that no marching orders from the top are necessary. University presidents do not tell hiring committees to discriminate against conservative academics, they just do it. No president or Treasury secretary had to tell the IRS to do this.

In some ways, the received version of events is worse than would be a top-directed cabal of rogue IRS agents acting on orders from political superiors. A corrupt element within an agency can be rooted out, and a criminal conspiracy can be unraveled. When the agency is the criminal conspiracy, then the challenge of reform becomes that much greater.

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Policy-wonks dismiss scandal because it’s not in their specialty wheelhouse of policy. But governance is not just policy — it is also governance, that is to say, it is also management, and all the requirements of sound management, such as focus to detail, ethics, integrity, and honesty.

Why is it somehow “less” to knock the White House and the Democrats for failing at these things? Are they not important as well?

Policy matters, but so does personnel. And, let’s recall — policy is personnel.

Let’s be honest here: 40% of the voters have no idea what policies are in play in any specific election, and 70% of them don’t know the specifics of policies under consideration. We tend to know broad strokes…

So yes, I do wish to run on scandal, at least partially, because You cannot trust them is a very effective campaign theme, and has won more elections than any policy-based theme.

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[A]s much as congressional Republicans are enjoying their schadenfreude, they would be well advised to think long and hard about their next steps. Even the most cursory look at opinion polls or focus groups reveals that the public is convinced we have an ineffectual and out-of-touch Congress that spends too much time backbiting, grandstanding, and Monday-morning quarterbacking while the country’s problems fester. Arguably, showboating for the cameras and holding hearings are what Congress does best; the temptation is unavoidable.

Republicans would be much wiser to pursue a third option: Dig up as much damaging information as they can about the Obama administration and leak it to reporters they know will write tough stories that won’t be traced back to the source. That way, the public won’t see the GOP as being obsessed with attacking the other side and playing gotcha at the expense of the big issues facing the country—the ones voters really care about.

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”The area we have to avoid is to not use the ‘I’ word — impeachment,” said Bolger. “It is far too early for that, and talking about impeachment now means you are not serious about the issue — you are just trying to score political points.”

Bolger’s advice? Use the IRS and AP stories to make a broader point about the differing views the parties have of the role of government. “AP and IRS are what happens when you elect people who worship at the altar of unfettered government,” explained Bolger. “Big, powerful government is not the answer.”

Another Republican consultant, granted anonymity to speak candidly, added that his party has to double track — investigating wrongdoing while also pushing its own positive agenda. ”This is part of my concern about the GOP being the poster child of Washington dysfunction because all we ever do is block legislation, we never pass anything,” the source wrote in an e-mail to The Fix. “We need to deal with immigration, budget, tax reform, etc. etc. while we’re doing this.”

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Republicans may feel greater effects. Even before these disclosures, congressional Republicans had dramatically escalated their resistance to Obama’s second term. While the House is voting yet again this week to repeal the president’s health care law, Senate Republicans have blocked consideration of Obama’s nominees for Labor secretary and Environmental Protection Agency administrator. As in Clinton’s era, the approaching cycle of investigation, media leak, and hearing-room confrontation over the IRS and Benghazi will deepen a sense of unstinting partisan conflict that will further narrow the space for serious legislative negotiations.

Davis, now director of federal affairs at the Deloitte consulting firm, says one critical difference from the Clinton years is that many GOP leaders still consider deals with Obama on immigration and the debt ceiling to be in the party’s self-interest. But to the extent Republicans believe scandal is bloodying Obama (and thus Democrats for 2014 and 2016), party leaders will face greater pressure not to buttress him with any policy agreements. “This makes it far more challenging for someone … who wants to do deals with a president who is just despised by the base,” says Gillon.

If these investigations ultimately impede deal-making on issues such as immigration, they will imperil Obama’s desire for a legislative legacy and stunt his second term. Yet such a breakdown would also endanger the GOP’s need to expand its unsustainably narrow electoral coalition. Republicans could find that stoking the flames of scandal may sear not only Obama’s hopes but also their own.

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“These guys are awfully frustrated right now,” Carville said, referring to the GOP. “They’re taking the anger out, and I understand that. I think the White House has just go to live with this for 30 days, get the truth out and you know, just roll with the punches here. They’re down to swinging pretty wildly here.”

He added, “That’s just going to be what we’re going to have to deal with here for the next month and I think the president needs to get ahead of it and probably put a new person in there and find out what happened and report to the American people and it will burn itself out, too. And it will move to the next thing.”

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Yes, Democrats destroyed Richard Nixon and shook America’s faith in government. But for all that effort, they ended up controlling the White House for just four of the next eighteen years.

To be sure, there were many other consequences, and there were numerous reasons why Republicans continuing winning the White House, despite Nixon’s resignation. But at the end of the day, we’re still left with this: Even the model scenario for ousting a sitting president yielded, at best, mixed results for the party out of power.

But that’s not the point. This isn’t about politics, it’s about the rule of law.

It’s about doing what’s right. It’s about holding powerful people accountable. It’s about preserving liberty. It’s about sending a message to the next administration that we’re watching — that abuses of power won’t be tolerated.

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Via Mediaite.

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“Now more than ever, we need to prevent the IRS from having any role in Americans’ health care,” Cornyn, R-Texas, stated.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:31 AM

I believe this scandal will once and for all destroy the Socialist’s massive power grab, and we will get true conservatives in power in 2014 and 2016.

By “scandal” I mean the unveiling of the totalitarian state they intended all along.

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 1:50 AM

lol — too funny.

damn. she thinks that’s funny.

k.

i’m going to go write Sophie a poem or something and try to stay in her good graces. i dun wanna be in her bad graces.

or i might go read.

i’m not sure. this could go either way.

Goodnight Resist. :) I truly hate this part.

Night everyone!

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Yes! Now that I am seeing the whole picture and dots connected, no wonder the dems and press kept on saying the TP was dead!

They damn well tried to ‘kill’ it!

Now the truth is out there, I hope it is revived and renewed and strengthened!!

There was a reason, and a purpose, God in His infinite Wisdom, is Wise!!

We SHALL overcome!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Good night Axe!! God Bless and sleep good and sweet dreams :-)

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:53 AM

It is way late!!

I am off…

God Bless you all!!

Good night!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Goodnight Scrumpy

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Think why they went quiet after 2010 – they were targeted.

Now they are justified to fight. The left, if they wish to be free, should fight with them, alas.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Dreams I’ll Never See

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM

And hopefully the lying worm Rubio with him.

VorDaj on May 17, 2013 at 1:50 AM

God, how I wish. He is beyond traitorous to the TEA party and the land.

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John the Libertarian on May 17, 2013 at 1:50 AM

May you be right.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Tea Party was steeping and now its fully brewed.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Tho they vote today to repeal Ocare…

What good will it do, won’t make it past Reid, he’ll table it as he does every bill the repubs put forth…

* spit *

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Hopefully the IRS scandal will give the House the courage to defund the IRS implementation of Obamacare. … and there is not a thing the Senate can do about that unless Dingy Harry wants to shut down the government.

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Tea Party was steeping and now it’s fully brewed.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Now it’s steaming!!!

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 2:08 AM

So…the Quotes of the Day are that Republicans are idiots that can’t contrive a campaign strategy?

What? This must be some fallback QOTD for the period 2004-present, huh?.

Went out to a baseball game and just through this post out?

Sure, I’ll bite… Yes, Republicans are idiots. Did you see when they hired Steele to head the RNC and all he did was promote his book. What a bunch of maroons.

{hope tomorrows effort is better AP. Maybe let Mary Katharine take a stab at it?}

socalcon on May 17, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 2:08 AM

All we need, now, are some candidates worthy of a vote. The GOP ain’t going to cut it. They’ve burned that bridge – at least so far as I’m concerned.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 17, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Everyones fast asleep, I suppose. :-)

tommy71 on May 17, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Hopefully the IRS scandal will give the House the courage to defund the IRS implementation of Obamacare. … and there is not a thing the Senate can do about that unless Dingy Harry wants to shut down the government.

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 2:05 AM

That is based on the presumption that Bohenor has something resembling a spine. I’m not holding my breath on that.

Myron Falwell on May 17, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Konservativen nicht erlaubt!

HICON on May 17, 2013 at 3:28 AM

Out for the night goodnight all

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Does anyone here, besides their fellow retarded trolls perhaps, believe that people like HAL, D(bag)Bear, liveenslavedordie, and non-nonpartisan are:

1) decent?
2) honest?
3) mature?
4) constructive?
5) serious?
6) reasonably intelligent, and not flaming sufferers of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
7) unhypocritical?
8) not desperately attention-starved & attention-seeking?

No, no one besides themselves perhaps believes any of those things about them? Then can anyone who indulges them explain why you behave as though they are worthy of adult consideration? Understanding their troll psychology, is it somehow not true that in actuality they are being encouraged to rudely carry on when you refuse to refrain from arguing with them?

To anyone who would say that they need to be talked to because their arguments/pseudo-facts need challenging, can you explain what would be so difficult about countering their false statements only w/o directly engaging them?

Here’s a radical suggestion: stop letting them aggravate you, stop idly complaining about them, and ignore their useless personalities. To not do so works to drag the site down to their level, which is exactly what they want, no?

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Here’s a radical suggestion: stop letting them aggravate you, stop idly complaining about them, and ignore their useless personalities. To not do so works to drag the site down to their level, which is exactly what they want, no?

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Well, they doubtless get a comment count and hit bonus on their paychecks from Townhall/Hot Air.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM

Moaning Schmoe watch:
Schmoe
Mika
Baby Russert
Reverend Al
Newsweek honcho Jon Meachum

Donny Douche actually worse than Reverend Al and states IRS scandal will be a positive for Obama. Schmoe with look on his face like “Can you BELIEVE these idiots I’m sitting here with?!”

Yeah, eat it Schmoe. Enjoy your MSNBC paycheck.

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 AM

Yeah, eat it Schmoe. Enjoy your MSNBC paycheck.

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 AM

LOL

Liberals are in desperation mode, worse than when they’re totally out of power. The last thing they need is to have their brand destroyed by the (half)black guy they put on a pedestal.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM

good morning HA

i’m feeling eeyorish this am…i fear this man and this administration will be getting away scot free from of all these scandals…yeah, they’ll fire some underlings but he won’t be blamed at all for any of these even those he is in charge and should know what the heck is going on…its mind boggling to me…the lsm is back on their defend/deflect for dear leader, the gop is overreaching on all points….

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Mornin’, y’all! “Obama, the IRS, and Character” My take.

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Yeah, eat it Schmoe. Enjoy your MSNBC paycheck.

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 AM

I don’t know how he does it. I don’t know how you can stand to even watch the folks he’s on with. These days, I cannot even listen to a liberal or progressive on TV without my blood boiling. A good many of these people are saying, in a nutshell, they do not care that an entire political group was targeted illegally by one of the most powerful agencies of the US Government. And the tone is that the end justifies the means. In their opinion, The Tea Party is a group of nuts bend on destroying America. They were marginalized after 2010 and for the 2012 elections and that’s just great as far as liberals are concerned.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:22 AM

:)

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM

i needed this
———————–

mika is worried about hillary’s huma abedin and her dealings….a little too shady apparently (shocka)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:32 AM

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:30 AM

You’re suffering from overload. But keep the faith! Imagine what it is today to be a Democrat or other liberal. What shoe will drop today, what bomb will fall?

I trust in God, and things will work out. The truth isn’t out there for nothing. The Low Information Providers (LIPs) cannot bury this. They can maybe trash and ignore it, but they can’t escape it. The Democrat brand is damaged by their precious Obama, and more is to come. All that is left for the Left is to try ignoring it and downplaying it.

As if that’s going to work. Pffft!

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:36 AM

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 6:30 AM

another good one KJ

will the actually bring up the little bombshell of the sarah ingram???? kudos to abc but what about the rest of them…this just smacks of arrogance…

*eeyore flag rising higher*

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

No, they are not decent people. They are either defending the actions this administration has taken or even gloating over the fact that they so effectively subdued the TP and are getting away with it.

I used to think that some of the comments about reeducation camps and such nonsense were the stuff of tin foil brigades. Fun to joke about, but far-fetched. These days, I just don’t know. I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

Just like the Gosnell Case, we have to drive this.

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:36 AM

thanks Liam :)

time for a little vacay methinks…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 AM

I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

yup, with no one calling them out, its a free for all

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:42 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

Weather Underground types have already had ‘serious’ discussions of camps and extermination projects. You think it won’t be tried if these people get what they want?

Every fledgling dictatorship needs to get rid of its most obvious opponents, and I don’t just mean people like me.

The intelligentsia are often among the first (you reading this, libfree?). The list then goes down, among other ‘undesirables’.

I used to also think the American people would never allow a dictatorship. Now, I’m starting to question my faith in them. What we have today is NOT like my father’s generation.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:43 AM

thanks Liam :)

time for a little vacay methinks…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Grab the hubby, leave the kids with grandma, and go for it. The weekend is coming up.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 AM

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 6:40 AM

yepper

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:45 AM

good idea!!

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:48 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

SWalker and I used to joke about it because we knew it could happen. We have always been just a moment away, and the government is just getting more open and brazen about it. Call it lack of adult handling if you will. Neither side of the isle is innocent, it is simply stated rule by elites. We unfortunately are not them. The goal at least since the Wilson administration has always been socialism and them Communism. Hawk, I am a careerist like you, you know that, I don’t speak lightly about this trust me, what is going on and what I have learned in the last few years, it is why this move in a few weeks will be my last, and I will retire. We served for and ideal, it still rings true, we may yet still have a part to play in ensuring that ideal remains the guiding principle in this country.

MarshFox on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM

marcus, did the mj crew even bring up sarah ingram this am?

curious…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM

I used to also think the American people would never allow a dictatorship. Now, I’m starting to question my faith in them. What we have today is NOT like my father’s generation.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 6:43 AM

I know. The current and former members of the military I associate with are collectively asking, is this what we when to war for?

People in the government, our government, actively used their positions to deprive people of their rights. Under the Bush Administration, the press collectively had daily cows over what they perceived as infringements of our civil rights through his administration. The FICA phone tap discussion. The Patriot Act. The list is endless. The liberal’s care more about the rights of the terrorist combatants in GITMO than they do actual fellow Americas. Americans, whom can we demonstrably show were deprived of civil rights and their right to the political process by an agency of the government under obama.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 AM

MarshFox on May 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM

We all kidded about it. These days, it isn’t so funny.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM

The liberal’s care more about the rights of the terrorist combatants in GITMO than they do actual fellow Americas. Americans, whom can we demonstrably show were deprived of civil rights and their right to the political process by an agency of the government under obama.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 AM

THIS

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 AM

marcus, did the mj crew even bring up sarah ingram this am?

curious…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM

They LED with it.

Schmoe: “OK, so the guy who was quitting anyway is out, the guy who just started last week is out. What about the person who was in charge when this was happening?! I bet that person is going to jail!”

Mika: “Well, that person certainly wouldn’t be doing something important now….”

Schmoe: “Oh, no. This person must be unemployed somewhere…….”

(It was actually refreshing to see Mika couldn’t even spin Sarah Ingram).

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 AM

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 6:48 AM

One of the coolest things my ex-wife did was ‘kidnap’ me in the morning when I was coming off a night shift from work. She took me to a hotel and turned me into a total slut for her for 24 hours. *L* I needed so ad to sleep, but that didn’t matter to her. And it really didn’t matter to me, either. *LOL*

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 6:59 AM

thanks Marcus…i’m glad they reported it…the rest of msdnc anchors will be crickets…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:01 AM

just heard mika report about it again…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:02 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:00 AM

excellent :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:55 AM

I can understand how you and other veterans feel. I often ask, “Is this what may father, aunts, and uncles of The Greatest Generation fought for?”

It’s not, I know.

I went from the idealism of JFK’s Camelot — when everything was magical and we put man on the moon — to what we have today. This is not the liberalism of JFK who, even though he didn’t like blacks, lead the way to the fulfillment of the ideal that all men are created equal.

In my lifetime, I have seen the greatness of our America, and am now watching in horror as liberals like nonpartisan and HAL are out to destroy it. And succeeding.

But they can be stopped. They have to be stopped. And I hope the scandals linger and last until their precious Obama is politically destroyed and takes his cursed Democrat Party with him.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 AM

holder ain’t going anywhere dang it…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 AM

excellent :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Go for it. Make hubby your slut for the weekend. *snicker*

And spare no expense. Order room service to keep his energy up. *wink*

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 AM

The GOP totally lied about Benghazi? You don’t say.

On Friday, Republicans leaked what they said was a quote from Rhodes: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.”

Victoria Nuland / MASSOUD HOSSAINI/AFP/Getty Images
But it turns out that in the actual email, Rhodes did not mention the State Department.

It read: “We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.”

Republicans also provided what they said was a quote from an email written by State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland.

The Republican version quotes Nuland discussing, “The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda’s presence and activities of al-Qaeda.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57584947/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM

It isn’t, that is true, but ironic in a way, because SWalker and I in private conversations talked about it and we weren’t joking then. That is one of the tenants of the political faction that we face, they will alienate anyone who even mentions such things, to the point that even like minded people turn on them, saying they are too extreme. The point of being vigilant isn’t that we push them back when they over reach on their agenda, the point is that they are still working it even when they seem to have been defeated in their purpose. People got comfortable after WWII, and then when Reagan was President. They however were still pursuing their agenda as they always will. In order to turn this around we must start at the beginning, and that is with education, once we have an educated populace, freedom and a Republic will once again be ours to maintain watch over.

MarshFox on May 17, 2013 at 7:10 AM

Well, there goes the morning fun time among friends…

Hey, libfree! What is it with you? You see people having a nice time and you feel it’s your duty to pop in and ruin it for them?

why don’t you go play Switch, and then go play in traffic?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:06 AM

They can be stopped.

holder ain’t going anywhere dang it…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 AM

There is a saving grace I am praying for. The media is working overtime to insulate the US Public from the facts they should be reporting on this administration. My prayer is that it will reach a tipping point where they have no choice. At that point it will be like flood gates opening.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:07 AM

gotcha…thanks buddy :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

CBS News?

Now THAT’s Funny!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Did they report on the unicorn living on the backyard otf the White House, too?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Ohhh, that’s rich!
Bwahahahahahahahaha!

B.S. Forget the shoes. Save the watch.

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

You know what term you won’t find in your CBS article there?

“YouTube video”.

Yeah, the Republicans on Benghazi: total liars./

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

obama just got it wrong and four people died, but the GOP “lied” KJ.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

gotcha…thanks buddy :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM

If I don’t see you for the weekend, I’ll know what you’re doing. *wink*

Then we can gossip about it! Ad when you come back on Monday, we’ll all sing,

“cmsinaz and her hubby sittin’ in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes cmsinaz pushin’ a baby carriage!”

LOL

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

lightbulb turned on for morning joe-paraphrase
–i’ve been saying for months that this gun control bill won’t lead to a registry, but with all that is going on, I don’t know if that won’t occur–

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Schmoe’s rant about BACKGROUND CHECKS is actually amusing today:

“This IRS scandal is making me look like an idiot wanting background checks!!”

Hilarious.

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

It hasn’t been long enough for Revisionist History, yet. But, the Libs are certainly trying it.

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

When you attack the source you only show that you have no response.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

jinx :)

lol
egg on face for mj

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

:) lol

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Yeah, the Republicans on Benghazi: total liars./

Marcus on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

lightbulb turned on for morning joe-paraphrase
–i’ve been saying for months that this gun control bill won’t lead to a registry, but with all that is going on, I don’t know if that won’t occur–

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Well…DUH!

You what’s funny? These liberals in control actually think that one day they’ll put a man on Mars.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Shut up and go away.

You have right to post on HA, but we don’t welcome you. Go away, will you?

The only thing you contribute to anything anywhere is CO2, and that’s about it.

Just go away. Go play Switch, band over and crack a smile, and go play in traffic.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Ignore the sodomite troll, can we?

All that horrid liberal creature does is stink up our place.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:23 AM

You’re hilarious, you had already posted about me in this thread, before I had even woken up! And now that I’ve posted you’re upset? Get your life right…..

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM

I am not surprised that that the emails do not reflect what was actually stated, so I fail to see your point. I expected as much.

You must delusion under some guise that I would believe anything a politician said.

Here is the relevant questions that need answering for Benghazi, why with credible intelligence was the security not beefed up? Why was there not a NEO qualified unit in the vicinity in case something specifically like this happened? Those two questions speak to incompetence which got people killed, all else is deflection.

When you lead men into those situations and they are killed due to your lack of proper planning, you are relieved of command and held accountable for your actions, so my final question is, when does that happen?

MarshFox on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

You’re hilarious, you had already posted about me in this thread, before I had even woken up! And now that I’ve posted you’re upset? Get your life right…..

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM

My using you as a target for vilification is NOT an invitation for you to join in.

You, being so ‘smart’, should know that.

Feeling a bit defensive there, are ye?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

kingsjester on May 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM
When you attack the source you only show that you have no response.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM

How is this a lie and what obama did, not a lie? Your entire article is pretty weak tea for an argument asserting some kind of lie conspiracy to gin up attention to Benghazi.

Want a news flash? These things are not lies.

People on the ground told agencies in the administration more security was needed in Libya, specifically Benghazi.

An armed attack on our consulate cost the lives of four Americas to include the life of an Ambassador.

You president and his administration immediately tried to characterize it as a spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand.

Your administration asserted it occurred over a little-known YouTube video.

Your administration took Intel from Libyan President Magarief stating unequivocally that it was a planned and organized terrorist attack and called him a fool in front of his countrymen.

Your administration exerted pressure on law-enforcement to arrest the maker of said film under non-related charges to the film.

The list goes on.

You of all people have quite the gall to call anyone a liar.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:19 AM

heh

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Ignore the sodomite troll, can we?

All that horrid liberal creature does is stink up our place.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Honey boom….might I suggest you invest in friends, family, a romantic partner and community making outside of this anonymous online forum? The stakes shouldn’t be that high for you. And speaking of high, your belligerence this morning forces me to conclude that you are maybe……drunk? If there’s any poster around here who I would say has a need for a 12 step meeting it would be you.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

The point of being vigilant isn’t that we push them back when they over reach on their agenda, the point is that they are still working it even when they seem to have been defeated in their purpose…In order to turn this around we must start at the beginning, and that is with education…MarshFox on May 17, 2013 at 7:10 AM

And that, fellow Patriots, is what the TEA Party has been doing for the past 2 years. The IRS harassment strategy was (pardon me) a bump in the road.

indypat on May 17, 2013 at 7:31 AM

My using you as a target for vilification is NOT an invitation for you to join in.

Liam dear, the opposite of love isn’t hate, its indifference. You clearly felt some compulsive need to post about me before the sun had even fully risen in the sky. And then when I appear, you’re pressed like Sonoma country grape. You’re a mess boo.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:32 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM

We Conservatives are friends here. We have a nice time together.

You aren’t one of us, you’re not a friend to us and you don’t want us as friends. YOU are the outsider/outlier who ruins the place. Well, actually, one of several.

I don’t go, and never stay, where I’m not wanted. Why do you act out so much?

I wish I had your mailing address. I’d send you a T-shirt with the logo “Something To Prove”.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM

Well, they doubtless get a comment count and hit bonus on their paychecks from Townhall/Hot Air.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM

I don’t believe you’re being fully serious…are you?

I know some here disagree with me, but I don’t believe Ed, AllahP, and the rest have a double-standard when it comes to putting up with garbage from leftist trolls vs. garbage from others – I see them tolerate plenty of obnoxious name-calling from those of us on the Right, too (please don’t get me wrong: I am not sanctimoniously preaching against all name-calling! :) ).

I believe it’s obvious they expect us to handle time-wasters like liveenslavedordie, HAL, and D(bag)Bear ourselves, which is as it should be, and I am utterly convinced that the best way to handle such hypocritical, unserious persons is to either ignore them or mock them…

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Well, lovie, that was a bunch of ‘intellectual’ gobbeltygook.

I use you, and other liberals, for targets to display the worst of Americans and human beings.

So don’t think yourself somehow special, honeyboo. You’re one of several.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

The State Department’s initial characterization of the motivation for Benghazi was a royal clusterfrack, to be sure. A kind of de rigeur for one of the most secretive Administration’s ever, and one whose abuses of executive power exceed even W. when it comes to foreign policy and civil liberties. But there’s no evidence that there’s more to the story than that. The GOP have been trying to find a way to pin the deaths of the ambassadors on Obama, and in the cause of that rather fruitless goal, they’ve shown their @ss, and made stuff up. Totally discrediting their critique. The problem is that all of the things that you critiques about the Administration’s initial response, *were already discussed* in the numerous hearings that have *already happened.* Again, similar attacks on consulates under Bush garnered far fewer hearings, who knows what kinds of mischaracterizations might have come about had there been so much scrutiny over each attack under Bush. In trying to extend the story, and find something *more* than the legit issues you raised, they have clowned themselves.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM

Honey boom….might I suggest you invest in friends, family, a romantic partner and community making outside of this anonymous online forum?

Are you actually serious? You post here 24/7 under at least three current sockpuppets and have the temerity to tell someone else to get a life? And BTW, the crack about getting a date? Unfair for you to say that. It’s a little harder for Liam to find that romantic partner than you since he is not predisposed to chase little boys like you are. He’s kind of traditional in that he likes women his own age.

And speaking of high, your belligerence this morning forces me to conclude that you are maybe……drunk? If there’s any poster around here who I would say has a need for a 12 step meeting it would be you.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

You’re pathetic. Even if a Conservative commenting here were drunk, they’d eventually sober. You on the other hand, will always be a black-heart shill of a despicable despot, ready to spin and defend any wrong he does.

I see more and more that people like you are not just misguided but in fact evil.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:39 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Feeling menaced there, babygirl?

I’m cone sold stober.

I don’t need to be drunk to display my innate disgust of liberals.

It’s just too early in my morning to put up with one of you.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:43 AM

The State Department’s initial characterization of the motivation for Benghazi was a royal clusterfrack, to be sure. libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM

First, it was a “lie”, to be sure. Several hundred of them.

Second, you mentioned W? Are you serious? After the obama administration used the IRS to attack political opponents, you’re going to refer to President Bush in a comment trying to deflect President obama’s responsibility with Benghazi.

Read what you write.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Liam and HD rock!

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:48 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

And you, nor anyone else, has seen me be ‘belligerent’ as I can get.

I see you liberals as criminals, every one of you a thief. In my home, were it to be invaded, I’d take an action you hate. I’m very territorial.

Here, however, I’m limited. But my mindset remains the same. Here, I remain a gentleman but my mindset remains. I simply have to temper it.

So you liberals, and you in particular, get no mercy from me. The only difference right now is that I’m showing what I truly feel about you thieves.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:48 AM

No, they are not decent people. They are either defending the actions this administration has taken or even gloating over the fact that they so effectively subdued the TP and are getting away with it.

I used to think that some of the comments about reeducation camps and such nonsense were the stuff of tin foil brigades. Fun to joke about, but far-fetched. These days, I just don’t know. I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

Don’t underestimate them – they hate people like us more than they hate the behavior of their murderous fellow travelers.

Look at how self-righteous, abusive dopes like liveenslavedordie attack us for “politicizing” an event like Fast and Furious, while completely ignoring that Holder and Co. lied to Congress about it and that 0dumba withholds info that might explain how those lies came about.

These people don’t love the truth, and they don’t care about people who refuse submit to them. IOW, they are pure scum.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 7:49 AM

All true.

Thanks cmsinaz.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 7:51 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

As I said, you have right to post here, by Admin permission. Just like everyone else.

But we Conservatives do not welcome you.

A smart man, one of good character, does not stay where he is unwelcome. To remain in such a place tells of the person he is not one of good nature and/or character. His only purpose is to harass and annoy.

That’s you.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:52 AM

yo fellers. TGIF

busy am today. ya’ll take care.

ted c on May 17, 2013 at 7:53 AM

These people don’t love the truth, and they don’t care about people who refuse submit to them. IOW, they are pure scum.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Scum or otherwise, there is nothing ‘pure’ about a liberal.

While I agree with you in full, I find liberals to always be tainted somehow.

+100 to you

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Are you actually serious? You post here 24/7 under at least three current sockpuppets

I have one screen name and often go days/weeks without posting. But, I know how you like to imagine me as part of some many headed hydra. Child, I have a career, a partner and friends. This is just fun I have on the side. On the side-side. I suspect the impact of my posts is so earth shattering it causes you to imagine them as happening 24/7 or something.

And BTW, the crack about getting a date? Unfair for you to say that. It’s a little harder for Liam to find that romantic partner than you since he is not predisposed to chase little boys like you are.

*Yawn* Smearing me as a pedophile is so 2012 hawkdriver, you’ve got to get some new shtick to lie about. Every single time you bring this up I end up wiping the floor with you.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Go make plans to kidnap hubby and make him your slut for the weekend. *wink*

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:58 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

If you’re innocent, you have nothing to defend.

So, why do you defend so much?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:59 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

It seems to me your need to defend so hard tells there’s a modicum of truth to the accusations made against you.

You sound like Hillary Clinton.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Will do Liam :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 8:02 AM

And the tone is that the end justifies the means.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:32 AM

You cannot underscore this enough.

It runs a little deeper than just tone, though. Their entire attack machine is built upon it.

The liberal utopian fantasy is the end. This emotional, irrational carrot is the control freak’s favorite tool.

Conservatives stand in the way; therefore, they are the only real “bad” people in this world. “Bad” people (again, only conservatives) must be stripped of the rights “granted” to all the rest, or else the world will continue to be heartless and dark. This is the justification for the means.

If they lose this grip upon the larger percentage of the popular culture’s subconscious, they would have no premise to win the arguments. So, when it comes to scandal, there is no scandal, since the whole point is to eliminate all the “bad” people.

It’s more fundamental than just tone, I believe.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Will do Liam :)

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 8:02 AM

*snickers*

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:04 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Oh, and another thing…

Who cares about a bottom except the guy topping him at the moment?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM

It seems to me your need to defend so hard tells there’s a modicum of truth to the accusations made against you.

This is what happens when you don’t spend enough time in the real world. I’m not expending energy when I say “hawkdriver is lying about me.” Its just a few strokes of the keyboard. Now if I were hiring a lawyer, buying ads, making public statements and campaigning in response to hawkdriver’s lies well perhaps you could quote a bit of Macbeth and accuse me of protesting a bit much. As is, all I have to say is “hawkdriver’s lying.” Look, you’re obviously a sad, lonely individual who has very little that is emotionally rewarding in his life outside of this board. I feel no need to kick a horse that is not only down, but lying rotting in the street on a hot summer day.

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

just heard mika report about it again…

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 7:02 AM

Late to the thread.

It’s funny. I guess MSNBC decided to cut Obama a break yesterday, and kept Scarborough off MJ yesterday, allowing Mika to referee completely liberal panels.

This morning, Joe’s back, and MJ is leading with this story. They’re talking about it now.

Someone tell me how this woman’s identity didn’t surface until now. Lisa Myers, an NBC reporter, is now asking why, since this is clearly so pervasive in the IRS, no one at the IRS stepped forward as a whistleblower.

Sorry to celebrate, but this IRS thing is something that the GOP can beat Dems over the head for years. Liberals can try to yak about the efficacy of 501(c)(4) groups, but this thing went far beyond those groups–small businesses, individual taxpayers, etc.

The GOP needs to set up a system whereby constituents can come forward to their GOP members of Congress or GOP senators and document their case. These cases should be turned over to some group like Jay Sekulow’s law group and the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

The Dems should pay for this for decades.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Well said buckeye

cmsinaz on May 17, 2013 at 8:19 AM

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