Oops: IRS’s rationale for scrutinizing tea partiers debunked by nonprofit application data

posted at 11:21 am on May 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Good work by the Chronicle of Philanthropy, although we could have guessed that this was the case. Here’s what Lois Lerner said in her initial statement last week copping to the agency’s malfeasance:

“We get about 60,000 applications for tax exemption every year, most of them are 501(c)(3) organizations. But between 2010 and 2012 we started seeing a very big uptick in the number of 501(c)(4) applications we were receiving and many of these organizations applying more than doubled, about 1500 in 2010 and over 3400 in 2012. So we saw a big increase in these kind of applications, many of which indicated that they were going to be involved in advocacy work.

That kinda sorta made sense the day she said it, because at the time we thought the IRS hadn’t started scrutinizing tea partiers until 2012. Then we found out they were doing it in 2011, and then we found out they were doing it in 2010. The further back you push the timeline, the less coherent the “big application surge between 2010 and 2012″ defense becomes. The Chronicle administers the coup de grace:

Both Steven Miller, the agency’s acting commissioner until he stepped down Wednesday, and Lois Lerner, director of the agency’s exempt-organization division, have said over the past week that IRS officials started the scrutiny after observing a surge in applications for status as 501(c)(4) “social welfare” groups. Both officials cited an increase from about 1,500 applications in 2010 and to nearly 3,500 in 2012. President Obama ask Mr. Miller to resign on Wednesday.

The scrutiny began, however, in March 2010, before an uptick could have been observed, according to data contained in the audit released Tuesday from the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration…

According to the audit, 1,735 groups applied for 501(c)(4) exemption for the federal fiscal year that ended September 30, 2010—six months after the IRS began its scrutiny. That was down slightly from 1,751 the prior year…

IRS officials did not return requests for comment about the discrepancy in how they accounted for their actions.

A former IRS employee interviewed by the Chronicle theorizes that it wasn’t the volume that gave the IRS headaches but the complexity involved in learning on the fly how to scrutinize a new grassroots network like the tea party for 501(c)(4) compliance. I can sort of buy that as an explanation for delays on the first few applications, but most of these groups look alike. The learning curve for IRS analysts should have been sudden and steep. Why did the delays and extra attention persist for years?

By the way, in case you’re updating your scandal meme scorecard, we’ve now moved on from “Obama’s passive and disinterested, but certainly not culpable” to out-and-out assertions that the IRS was completely in the right here, despite their (and O’s) acknowledgment of their wrongdoing. MKH was on that last night, but here’s Scary Larry from Wednesday evening’s MSNBC broadcast proving he’s the most progressive progressive of them all. I’ll leave you with this from HuffPo’s business editor, who felt moved to opine in favor of these fine, hard-working public servants:

The Tea Party stands for many things, but a big part of its message is that sending money to Washington amounts to the perpetuation of a dangerous welfare state that’s intent on turning America into a helpless land where our lone skill is filling out the forms to go on the dole.

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

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F*ck these people.

Good Lt on May 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM

They said they’re sorry … what more could you ask for ?

listens2glenn on May 16, 2013 at 11:19 AM

so this is standard policy…likely kickedup after the 2010 congressional gains…

Is that it?

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The State Run Media seems to have forgotten Dear Leader’s promise to “punish his enemies”…sometime around 2010. Hmmmm?

d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time?

Reid, Geithner, and Rangel are Tea Partiers? WOW! Welcome, brothers, now get me a coffee.

Bishop on May 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM

I mean didn’t Carl Levin advocate for this?

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

IRS officials did not return requests for comment about the discrepancy in how they accounted for their actions

…I’m shocked!…shocked I tell you!

KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Lies

A former IRS employee interviewed by the Chronicle theorizes that it wasn’t the volume that gave the IRS headaches but the complexity involved in learning on the fly how to scrutinize a new grassroots network like the tea party for 501(c)(4) compliance. I can sort of buy that as an explanation for delays on the first few applications, but most of these groups look alike. The learning curve for IRS analysts should have been sudden and steep. Why did the delays and extra attention persist for years?

WTF? How is this possible? Would you go to a hospital where the interns never became doctors?

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Front page above the fold Buffalo News:

A playmate for Luna / The zoo’s latest attraction

mjbrooks3 on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

This makes sense, because most not-paying-taxes scandals include high ranking Republicans.

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Voting is the best revenge…..

redguy on May 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM

This makes sense, because most not-paying-taxes scandals include high ranking Republicans democrat/progressive/communists…..

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

redguy on May 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

What a bunch of lying sacks of shite…

sandee on May 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Voting is the best revenge…..

redguy on May 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM

We tried that and they stole the election.

slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

“Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we something something…”

Akzed on May 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

…I just found out… what the IRS has been doing…having heard rumblings nd voiced complaints for three years…by… just now…reading it in the papers!

KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

does new republic know about this?! they say the 1024s were never required at all anyway. (which is untuire by the way) which implies these damn tea partiers are overly efficious compliance weenies.

t8stlikchkn on May 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Lois, I understand how “swamped” those 2/4 rogue employees were. Of course you were able to pass through immediately a request for one of obamas half brothers . An organization that was illegally operating since 2008. Oh, and you made it retroactive to 2008. How convenient…

sandee on May 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM

This makes sense, because most not-paying-taxes scandals include high ranking Republicans Democrats such as Charlie Rangel and Tim Geithner.

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Reid was too embarrassed to comment

HotAirian on May 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Wow…just wow

cmsinaz on May 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Obama Press Conference at noon today with Turkish Dude.

I hope Obama becomes slightly unhinged by the questions.

kingsjester on May 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

A comment from a Democrat at the HuffPo:

Absolutely in agreement. If the teabaggers want to wear their subversiveness on their sleeve, then don’t come bellyachin’ when you are going to attract unwelcomed attention.

Stupid and evil.

Punchenko on May 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?


Pushback:

“Isn’t it reasonable to assume an organization, MF Global, which had ILLEGALLY used client funds to cover its own margin calls should be FIRST in line for intense scrutiny for pursuing grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?”

If I can come up with something that simple off the cuff, AP, shouldn’t YOU be able to do the same BEFORE you post this liberal spew?

PolAgnostic on May 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Marco Rubio is now calling for prosecutions. He’s on the ball. Boehner calling for “jail” before seeing incriminating evidence was stupid.

There actually may not have been laws broken. I don’t know that incompetence can be prosecuted. But I don’t think we’ve seen all of the damning evidence yet. Accountability requires more than throwing the director under the bus. America needs answers. Evidence forthcoming…this is going to get wild.

This is separate from the AP scandal. But both seem to reflect a Nixonian bent for executive branch revenge. Yesterday I would have told you that using that resulted from a need to conform to extreme voices on the right. Today I can only wretch at the grave executive branch breach of trust.

I can’t wait to hear Rand Paul go big today. Rubio’s sane immigration platform is killing him. But these are the two to watch for 2016.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

so this is standard policy…likely kickedup after the 2010 congressional gains…

Is that it?

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 11:19 AM

…well!…who knew those few people in Cinci… were Mensa members?

KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

What Good Lt said.

juliesa on May 16, 2013 at 11:30 AM

kingsjester on May 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Wonder if bho will call the Turkish dude by HIS first name?
I have a feeling bho won’t take too many questions, but those will probably be taken from foto’s?
L

letget on May 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

By the way, in case you’re updating your scandal meme scorecard, we’ve now moved on from “Obama’s passive and disinterested, but certainly not culpable” to out-and-out assertions that the IRS was completely in the right here, despite their (and O’s) acknowledgment of their wrongdoing.

Please run with that, libtards. Go on TV and Twitter and tell us this is our fault and that we had it coming.

Doughboy on May 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The further back you push the timeline, the less coherent the “big application surge between 2010 and 2012″ defense becomes.

And as time passes, the lies told to defend this illegal activity will become more and more complicated and incoherent.

That’s because the truth is easiest to remember and it doesn’t change over time.

Curtiss on May 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

A comment from a Democrat at the HuffPo:

Absolutely in agreement. If the teabaggers want to wear their subversiveness on their sleeve, then don’t come bellyachin’ when you are going to attract unwelcomed attention.

Stupid and evil.

Punchenko on May 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Ron Radosh, a former Communist, nailed people like that poster and HAL, who actually said something much worse, to a ‘t’:

All this is par for the course for those who grew up in the 1960s and recall the advice about freedom of speech given by the philosopher-king of the Marxist Left, the late Herbert Marcuse.

Back in those heady days, Marcuse developed the theory of “repressive tolerance.” As he explained, tolerance of the speech of those who are fascist or conservative is not acceptable for a democratic society. To liberate tolerance means “intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.” This gobbledygook, remember, was viewed by serious intellectuals as brilliant. Marcuse explained his reasoning in these words:

Surely, no government can be expected to foster its own subversion, but in a democracy such a right is vested in the people (i.e. in the majority of the people). This means that the ways should not be blocked on which a subversive majority could develop, and blocked if they are by organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. They would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination on the grounds of race and religion, or which oppose the extension of public services, social security, medical care, etc.

Get that last point? If you criticize Obama Care, by Marcuse’s logic, you are what the Soviets called “an enemy of the people,” and the full power of government should be put into place to stop you. And were he still with us, he would be penning an op-ed praising the IRS for its clever action in denying conservative groups non-profit status.

Who would make that judgment? Perhaps it would be the people’s courts, the revolutionary assemblies, or the left-wing professoriate, which is acting on behalf of the people before they realize their duty to develop revolutionary consciousness.

Let me end on a serious note. The IRS personnel are probably not smart enough to read or even know about Herbert Marcuse. But they have acted in a way he would have been proud of, having obtained an understanding of how to act against conservatives all on their own. And, it seems, they have an unknowing ally who lives in the executive mansion on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Reid, Geithner, and Rangel are Tea Partiers? WOW! Welcome, brothers, now get me a coffee.

Bishop on May 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Galloping Geithner thought that TEA stood for “Tax Evaders Anonymous.”

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

So wouldn’t that same dilligence be required when the half brother of a rat-eared dictator sets up a shady “charity” called Barak H. Obama foundation and operates it illegally for years. Those fine public servants approved that one in 30 days and even grandfathered away the tax liability for the money collected in past years.

But the Tea Party of Richmond had to wait two years to even get a response to their application.

Happy Nomad on May 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Absolutely in agreement. If the teabaggers want to wear their subversiveness on their sleeve, then don’t come bellyachin’ when you are going to attract unwelcomed attention.

This is straight up bigotry. It is inexcusable. If Ann Coulter said the same thing about gays or Muslims I’d be all over it.

I have no problem expressing my feelings about the Tea Party. My standard moniker is “Tea Party extremists.”

However I need to rethink what the ultimate outcome of the Tea Party will be. Bigoted attacks against the right like this will consolidate disparate factions. Perhaps solidarity is the silver lining to current GOP aberration.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Apparently Miller expected to return to his deputy post in two weeks…but now he’s out of the IRS altogether.

25 years of civil service.

Hmmmmm….

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

By the way, in case you’re updating your scandal meme scorecard, we’ve now moved on from “Obama’s passive and disinterested, but certainly not culpable” to out-and-out assertions that the IRS was completely in the right here, despite their (and O’s) acknowledgment of their wrongdoing.

Please run with that, libtards. Go on TV and Twitter and tell us this is our fault and that we had it coming.

Doughboy on May 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yeppers.

* 57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

* Just 16% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the IRS investigations of these groups were a coincidence

* 57% think the investigations were politically motivated

* 55% think it is at least somewhat likely that President Obama or his top aides were aware that Tea Party and other conservative groups were targeted by the IRS

* Only 7% of voters believe no disciplinary action should be taken against the IRS employees involved in the investigations

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Galloping Geithner thought that TEA stood for “Tax Evaders Anonymous.”

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

-Mr. Geithner, why didn’t you pay your taxes?

“Mr. President, I don’t know.”

-Good enough for me, would you like to be Treasury Secretary?

Bishop on May 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And as time passes, the lies told to defend this illegal activity will become more and more complicated and incoherent.

That’s because the truth is easiest to remember and it doesn’t change over time.

Yup. Lies, lies, lies…they’re gonna get you.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

If it wasn’t so laughable, I’d be insulted after Obama threw us that bogus sacrificial lamb last night — that wasn’t even a rubber bone to chew on — thinking we’d be somehow pacified. Even HAL tried getting on that bandwagon, saying we got a guy fired so it’s over.

Obama could have fired a dozen IRS supervisors and I still wouldn’t be satisfied, for the breadth, scope, and depth of this scandal. As well as the two year term of it. I want criminal prosecutions, fines and jail, and civil suits out the wazoo over this. I’m convinced this reaches to the top. It may not include Obama himself, but it seems somewhere in his ballpark.

One thing I’m glad about: This scandal proves we Conservatives have been right all along, for fifty years or more.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM

In the IG’s redacted report that was released, the initial date of key actions in table 3 was redacted, as well as what that action was. I am very suspicious that a date needed to be redacted. i could understand the action, but not the date.

MTinMN on May 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

Wait a minute Larry-poo! Didn’t one of your fellow libs say that those Tea Party folks ASKED FOR IT? That they didn’t have to apply for an exemption? That they unnecessarily brought this upon themselves?

Come on libs! Let’s get your story straight.

GarandFan on May 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM

One thing I’m glad about: This scandal proves we Conservatives have been right all along, for fifty years or more.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM

‘Tis a cold comfort, Liam. Conservatives have been right all along and we’re living in the very tyranny we warned about for decades. This is not cause for optimism.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM

They can’t handle an uptick in applications for tax-exempt status and they’re going to be in charge of the Obamacare records for every US citizen?

obladioblada on May 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I just saw a highly discouraging report on the news about how several Congressmembers – GOP – are declaring the NEXT STEP in the IRS scandal should be to move to the Legislative phase, to start writing/passing laws that declare that using the IRS to or the IRS targeting groups for any reason & for sharing IRS data ‘illegal’.

THIS is about the exact same thing everyone in the Obama administration is saying about the Benghazi scandal: “We need to drop any further investigation into this matter, which would most assuredly result in REAL punishment or jail time, even though we haven’t gotten to the truth / facts yet & move on to the ‘action’ phase where we make sure no one ever does the same things WE did.”

We know nothing about the IRS, no one has been punished, & you want to write laws preventing what we don’t know happened yet from happeneing again?

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

-Mr. Geithner, why didn’t you pay your taxes?

“Mr. President, I don’t know. didn’t find out that I failed to pay them until I read about it in the newspaper just like you.”

-Good enough for me, would you like to be Treasury Secretary?

Bishop on May 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

FIFY

lol

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I have no problem expressing my feelings about the Tea Party. My standard moniker is “Tea Party extremists.”

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Lemme ask you something: If we TEAs wouldn’t accept this kind of behavior from one of our own, why are we still ‘extremists’ if we reject and resent it from the other side? What is ‘extremist’ about that?

All I see here is you condemning us, while seeing nothing about your ‘angst’ over Dems and other liberals doing it. If we’re so ‘extremist’ and they’re not, why come here? Or are you like HAL, whose only purpose is to needle and annoy?

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Prog excuses for the IRS don’t make any sense, no matter how hard they try to spin it. Let’s assume that these orgs did deserve extra “scrutiny”…why did similar orgs on the left NOT receive the same scrutiny? They were seeking the same status, yet their applications sailed through (relatively speaking).

Any way you slice it, they targeted these groups because of their politics, and that, libs, is a bad thing.

changer1701 on May 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I love reading you. You’re a nuclear power without being a country. :-)

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Absolutely in agreement. If the teabaggers want to wear their subversiveness on their sleeve, then don’t come bellyachin’ when you are going to attract unwelcomed attention.

I liked it better when dissent was the highest form of patriotism. You know, before January 2009.

obladioblada on May 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

One thing that I find troubling in all this is not just that the IRS delayed applications for groups like the Tea Party or right to life groups but that those groups had to go, hat in hand to the IRS, for permission to exist as tax exempt groups. Think about what this means and how chilling it its to political expression. A group of people cannot organize to express a viewpoint, hold meetings or public events and collect the funds to perform those activities without government permission and involvement. Sure, libs might say, “you can do that, just pay taxes on the money raised”, but that also requires permission from the government to exist as a group and then takes money that was taxed when the people giving it earned it and taxing it again.

The problem goes deeper than just the fact that the country’s tax arm is being used as a political weapon.

AZfederalist on May 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Best one I’ve seen for getting your 501c-3 status:

“The Progressive Environmental Solar Power Foundation for the Advancement of Minority Gay Children and Organic Food Policy Center.”

(from a friend at Newsbusters)

Rovin on May 16, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I have no problem expressing my feelings about the Tea Party. My standard moniker is “Tea Party extremists.”

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

All I see here is you condemning us, while seeing nothing about your ‘angst’ over Dems and other liberals doing it. If we’re so ‘extremist’ and they’re not, why come here? Or are you like HAL, whose only purpose is to needle and annoy?

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

He is coming around, ya know. When the Tea Party starts looking less “extreme” to Hoggy, it’s probably pretty safe to say that these scandals creeping out of the west wing are indefensible, anyway.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Clinton and Obama’s runnin’
from all the scrutiny.
Holder’s plan wasn’t too cunning.
Four dead in Benghazi.

Gotta get down to it,
IRS was keeping us down.
Started so long, long ago.
Tappin’ the AP,
and Congressional cloakrooms.
How can they stay now that we know?

Gotta get down to it,
IRS was keeping us down.
Started so long, long ago.
Tappin’ the AP,
and Congressional cloakrooms.
How can they stay now that we know?

Clinton and Obama’s runnin’
from all the scrutiny.
Holder’s plan wasn’t too cunning.
Four dead in Benghazi.

Four dead in Benghazi.
Four dead in Benghazi.
Four dead in Benghazi.

Libraritarian on May 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

In other words, if you don’t agree with the progs, you’re fair game.

ddrintn on May 16, 2013 at 11:48 AM

This makes sense, because most not-paying-taxes scandals include high ranking Republicans democrat/progressive/communists…..

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

redguy on May 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

gotdarnit. My / key wandered off for cookies and milk, but I convinced it came back.

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Let’s rewrite that quote, shall we?

The Tea Democrat Party stands for many things, but a big part of its message is that sending money to Washington amounts to the perpetuation of a dangerous welfare state that’s intent on turning America into a helpless land where our lone skill is filling out the forms to go on the dole.

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes get even more money from the government at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

Works for me.

PackerBronco on May 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

‘Tis a cold comfort, Liam. Conservatives have been right all along and we’re living in the very tyranny we warned about for decades. This is not cause for optimism.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I’m a huge cynic, but long as there remains potential for change without force I have to keep hope. I trust in God, too, which is my real and personal foundation for that.

In the physical world, I see how hard the Fathers made stealing the liberty with which they gifted us; it’s hard to stomp down the Constitution with impunity. Look how long it has taken the Left to get us to this point, and the Constitution still prevails. When truth comes out, there are penalties to be meted out. That takes time, too, but none of the scandals are as fully swept under the rug as the Left wants. Even the LSM/LIPs (Low Information Providers) have a few rifts among themselves.

This isn’t over, by a long shot. It’s barely gotten started.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

One thing that I find troubling in all this is not just that the IRS delayed applications for groups like the Tea Party or right to life groups but that those groups had to go, hat in hand to the IRS, for permission to exist as tax exempt groups. Think about what this means and how chilling it its to political expression. A group of people cannot organize to express a viewpoint, hold meetings or public events and collect the funds to perform those activities without government permission and involvement. Sure, libs might say, “you can do that, just pay taxes on the money raised”, but that also requires permission from the government to exist as a group and then takes money that was taxed when the people giving it earned it and taxing it again.

The problem goes deeper than just the fact that the country’s tax arm is being used as a political weapon.

AZfederalist on May 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Very good point. That is something that we all have forgotten. Why is this application process necessary in the first place?

cptacek on May 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM

I’m a huge cynic, but long as there remains potential for change without force I have to keep hope. I trust in God, too, which is my real and personal foundation for that.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Is there potential for change without force? I’m not so sure about that. And as for God, when the nation has mostly forsaken him, he won’t save us from our own evil and stupidity.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

I’m Charlie Rangel and I approve this message.

chasdal on May 16, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Regarding the “retroactive” application of an approval. I created a 501c3 and when our status was granted it was retroactive to the date the application was received by the IRS. In the interim we simply stated that our 501c3 status was pending. Because we were approved, all donations received during the processing period were qualified for tax deductability by the donors.

I surmise the same policy holds for 501c4 organizations.

in_awe on May 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Best one I’ve seen for getting your 501c-3 status:

“The Progressive Environmental Solar Power Foundation for the Advancement of Minority Gay Children and Organic Food Policy Center.”

(from a friend at Newsbusters)

Rovin on May 16, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Only problem is that there is already an organization by that name. But since “PESPFFAMGAOFPC” is a mouthful it usually just goes by its’ more popular name- Let’s Move!

Happy Nomad on May 16, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I surmise the same policy holds for 501c4 organizations.

in_awe on May 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Not all of them…it depends on if you get flagged as potentially conservative or not.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I surmise the same policy holds for 501c4 organizations.

in_awe on May 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

But how does that apply to Malik Obama’s case where the retroactivity extended for years before the date of the application (a month prior to approval)? He was collecting money when there wasn’t even an application pending.

Happy Nomad on May 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I have no problem expressing my feelings about the Tea Party. My standard moniker is “Tea Party extremists.”

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Taxed Enough Already TEA) Party:
o Pro-Smaller Government, Anti-Big Government
?? ‘Extremists’ ??

David Axelrod:o There is no way Obama can be expected to know everything that is going on his administration because the government is so VAST.

Taxed Enough Already TEA) Party:
o Big Government poses a threat to our Constitutional Rights
?? ‘Extremists’ ??
Benghazi — Incompetence, betrayal, cover-up
IRS — Trgts Obama’s enemies, Conservatives, TEA Party, & Jewish groups
Wire-Tapping — DOJ taps AP AND Congress

Contrary to partisan minority Liberal belief, the TEA party is extremely low-profile/LAME compared to this ‘EXTREMIST’ administration!

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Is there potential for change without force? I’m not so sure about that. And as for God, when the nation has mostly forsaken him, he won’t save us from our own evil and stupidity.

gryphon202 on May 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

There are many believers still here. God will stay his hand long as that remains so. Lot is a case in point — Abraham debated personally with God, and God held off the destruction of the Plains Cities for sake of one man, until that man could get out.

Sometimes, in this my personal opinion far as spirituality is concerned, is that one reason God hasn’t wiped out Islam is because Christians are still in those countries. I’m not trying to have a theological debate and hijack the thread. But it’s just a thing about which I sometimes wonder.

I say to let the Constitution run its course. The IRS might have stopped the TEAs, some Jewish groups, and anti-abortion people. But it was only for a season. The truth is out there now, which I think came about, in part, by God’s will.

Or maybe it was just inevitable, as the Universe works.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Why is this application process necessary in the first place?

Because for far too long the IRS has been allowed to believe itself to be more powerful than God.

It must be abolished.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM

We have got to kill ObamaCare…

d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

Unbef**kinglievable.

Chris of Rights on May 16, 2013 at 12:15 PM

How ‘extreme’ ….
folks who promote lower taxation wouldn’t have HAD to be targeted, IF THEY WEREN’T ATTEMPTING TO OBEY THE TAX LAWS !!!
It’s their own fault !!

Freakingly amazing.

pambi on May 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM

That kinda sorta made sense the day she said it, because at the time we hadn’t figured the IRS was lying with every breath thought the IRS hadn’t started scrutinizing tea partiers until 2012

FIFY

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

IRS officials did not return requests for comment about the discrepancy in how they accounted for their actions.

Perhaps an indication they’ve determined a way to keep for lying?

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

Unbef**kinglievable.

Chris of Rights on May 16, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Read the comments at HuffPo. Obama could set up concentration camps and they’d find a rationalization for it.

ddrintn on May 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM

What difference, at this point (Barry’s got his second term), does it make?

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM

How ‘extreme’ ….
folks who promote lower taxation wouldn’t have HAD to be targeted, IF THEY WEREN’T ATTEMPTING TO OBEY THE TAX LAWS !!!
It’s their own fault !!

Freakingly amazing.

pambi on May 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM

This shocks you? (I doubt it)

Liberals have to contort themselves to keep to their thing. If Conservatives keep to the law, any bad thing that happens is our fault.

But if we disobey or otherwise dodge the law, we’re criminals.

Honesty and liberalism are two diametrically-opposed realities.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Read the comments at HuffPo. Obama could set up concentration camps and they’d find a rationalization for it.

ddrintn on May 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM

They already have it: “You have it coming.”

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Apparently Miller expected to return to his deputy post in two weeks…but now he’s out of the IRS altogether.

25 years of civil service.

Hmmmmm….

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Adding to the lengthening line of whistleblowers?

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

We have got to kill ObamaCare…

d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I think we ALL need to stress, stress, and keep stressing how intimately the IRS is involved in Ocare.
Even lo-info lefties, who could be giggling at the thought of us right-wingers getting our just desserts, atm, might stop and think that THEY will be abused beyond belief as well, soon.

OPEN DOOR, PEEPS !!!
Let’s roll !!

pambi on May 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Lest we forget this classic …
LOVE the pix used in this version …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

pambi on May 16, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time? Wouldn’t the people who oversee federal coffers have been derelict had they not at least had a good look?

HELLO?? What about all the WHITE HOUSE employees who are delinquent in their taxes? Shouldn’t THEY have been looked at FIRST?

originalpechanga on May 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Lemme ask you something: If we TEAs wouldn’t accept this kind of behavior from one of our own, why are we still ‘extremists’ if we reject and resent it from the other side? What is ‘extremist’ about that?

All I see here is you condemning us, while seeing nothing about your ‘angst’ over Dems and other liberals doing it. If we’re so ‘extremist’ and they’re not, why come here? Or are you like HAL, whose only purpose is to needle and annoy?

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I have not thought this comment through. I am posting here to get back to it. This seems like a great challenge to my persistent, fingering of TPers as extreme.

I want to give this thought and reply genuinely, which won’t happen right now. hope to catch you later.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

also…you know how you can tellwhen Madison Conservative is lying?

He doesn’t swear.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Now watch him unravel and start invoking Green Room posts and stuff. He’s fun.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM

When all the IRS was doing was putting off the approval process, the stack of paperwork would be expected to build.

Case closed.

southsideironworks on May 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I have not thought this comment through. I am posting here to get back to it. This seems like a great challenge to my persistent, fingering of TPers as extreme.

I want to give this thought and reply genuinely, which won’t happen right now. hope to catch you later.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Take all the time you want. I’m not trying to start a fight in any way.

I am very Conservative, from over time and experience (I’m pushing 55). I used to be very liberal.

For your consideration, I’m a Constructionist — I believe in Original Intent of the Constitution. To me, personally and of myself, this is what it means to be Conservative.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Let me end on a serious note.

And, it seems, they have an unknowing ally who lives in the executive mansion on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

It looks like you must have accidentally truncated his quote. The serious note at the end got completely cut off.

RINO in Name Only on May 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM

IRS has failed to explain how they also experienced a huge increase in tax-exempt requests from Union organizations but those groups, for some unknown reason, saw no delay in processing. Funny.

BigAl on May 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that people who hold such beliefs might feel additional motivation to pursue grey areas and loopholes at tax time?

No.

Tea Party groups were small, not well-financed, and not employing armies of tax lawyers to find these grey areas and loopholes … unlike Warren Butthead and the huge lefty “non-profits”.

The obvious point is that everyone knows that lefty “non-profits” are almost all used for nothing but political tools (as lefties use EVERYTHING to advance their political agenda – i.e. having lefties gain as much power as they possibly can so that they can control everyones behavior, down to how many times a minute one is allowed to exhale and in what direction). Lefty orgs all deserve not only enhanced scrutiny, but most of them are jokes of tax-exempt “non-political” entities. The SCLC, NAACP, MoveOn.org, … are total jokes regarding the “rules” for tax-exempts.

But, as with “disparate impact” (another sick lefty joke), the left specifically formulated law and procedures in order to get disparate impact on racial groups without having race explicitly stated and then turned around and accused everyone BUT themselves of being guilty of having disparate impact in law and standardized tests (that they admit didn’t even have to have any intention but only not to have the results that lefties claim are “correct” for any given demographic – test scores, IQ and the like be damned) while never subjecting any of their clearly intentional disparate impact race laws to any such scrutiny, at all.

This is how the left operates. They are despicable, lying scumbags. To their core.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Sooooooooo…

… Who’s going to jail?

Seven Percent Solution on May 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Sooooooooo…

… Who’s going to jail?

Seven Percent Solution on May 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM

YOU, if you keep questioning Obama. /

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

YOU, if you keep questioning Obama. /

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

You joke. But people have such a profound fear and misunderstanding of the IRS that any level of fear in response to this scandal is rational. I bet there are people who don’t know any better who now worry about even speaking up in church. I’m not a fan of evangelicals. But I am a diehard for their right to speak.

IRS knows and I know they know because my CPA was once a fed. First of all there is no better defense than hiring the enemy. Secondly, intimidation is a tactic at the IRS. Intimidation causes fear. Feat causes failure.

IRS has renewed a generation of mistrust.

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

So liberals are now coming out 4-square against the 14th Amendment (equal protection clause).

I new they were no fan of the 1st amendment (religious freedom vs Obamacare), 2nd amendment, or 4th amendment (“confiscate, confiscate”).

But now they don’t believe in an equal application of the law?

kurtzz3 on May 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Yes, I joked in that statement of mine you quoted. A bit of snark, just for fun among people with whom I have dealt a long time. I have read Seven Percent Solution for years, and am on his/her side.

For fun, we who trust each other make occasional jokes, just to lighten the mood.

We Conservatives here might sometimes get ‘bratty’ among ourselves. But, at the end of the day, we’re on the same side.

The trolls here, though…Quite another story. They come in here, with the purposeful intent, to make the place miserable for us. That sounds like petty revenge to me, and it need not be done.

You know, CH…Many of we Conservatives here were once liberal. Then we changed, for whatever individual reason. We have life experiences that changed our minds.

Liberals, on the other hand, have never been Conservative.

We Conservatives know what it’s like to be liberal. Liberals, on the other hand, have never been Conservative

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Wasn’t that what the Guy running Auschwitz said about the Jews every morning when he fired up the ovens?

jaydee_007 on May 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Remember that Lerner said she wasn’t good at math. And these are big numbers – she doesn’t have enough fingers and toes…

prigsbee on May 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Liberalism has NO firm basis, it is always subject to change to the needs of the moment.

We Conservatives hold to a foundation we consider true and just: The Constitution.

Liam on May 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM

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