Boehner: IRS scandal question is “who’s going to jail?”

posted at 12:01 pm on May 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Tough talk or real action?  John Boehner held a press conference earlier today that emphasized the IRS scandal’s potentially criminal nature.  Rather than wondering whether heads should roll, Boehner said the real question is whether butts should land in jail (video via Gateway Pundit):

The admitted targeting of conservative groups applying for tax exempt status is grounds for some Internal Revenue Service employees to lose their jobs, House Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday.

“The IRS has admitted to targeting conservatives, even if the White House continues to be stuck on the word ‘if,’” Boehner said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. “Now, my question isn’t about who’s going to resign. My question is who’s going to jail over this scandal?”

“There are laws in place to prevent this type of abuse,” Boehner continued. “Someone made a conscious decision to harass and hold up these requests for tax exempt status. I think we need to know who they are, whether they violated the law. Clearly someone violated the law.”

This has already generated plenty of skepticism in our comment threads regarding Boehner’s resolve on the matter.  However, it’s worth remembering our civics classes and realizing that Boehner can’t really put people in jail, at least not directly.  He can’t even make heads roll in the executive branch. (You can look this up, as Casey Stengel used to say.)  Nor is he promising in this instance to do any of the above — he’s just saying that’s what should happen, challenging the White House to take this seriously.

Did it work? Not so far:

“The federal government must conduct itself in a way that’s worthy of the public’s trust, and that’s especially true for the IRS. The IRS must apply the law in a fair and impartial way, and its employees must act with utmost integrity,” [Barack Obama] said. “This report shows that some of its employees failed that test.”

Obama ordered Treasury Secretary Jack Lew to ensure that each of the inspector general’s recommendations are implemented soon, “so that such conduct never happens again.”

In other words, mistakes were made, and let’s change a few of the internal rules to keep it from happening again.  Otherwise, “some” of the IRS’ employees may fail in the next test, too.

So what can Boehner do?  He can make sure that House committees start subpoenaing IRS and Treasury officials to determine under oath what actually transpired for the 27 months that the IRS blocked conservative groups’ tax-exempt applications while approving dozens for progressive groups.  The House can file contempt charges against Douglas Shulman and Steve Miller, the former and current IRS Commissioners, for either lying to Congress in testimony or misleading Congress over these practices, although those would have to be pursued in court by the Department of Justice.  And on that point, USA Today’s editorial hits the nail on the head:

As for the IRS revelation, Attorney General Eric Holder has ordered a criminal investigation to determine whether anyone at the agency broke the law. That’s a start. But the Justice Department’s decision-making in the AP case doesn’t inspire confidence in the result.

Given all we have seen over the past week, Boehner’s best chance to see his perspective prevail is to call for a special prosecutor in the IRS probe.  That would probably sideline the House committees, though, and that might create even more problems for Boehner, at least politically among his caucus.  We might just have to settle for exposing whatever crimes took place in hearings, and let that exposure create its own pressure on the White House to make heads roll.


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We might just have to settle for exposing whatever crimes took place in hearings, and let that exposure create its own pressure on the White House to make heads roll.

Ed, your sunny optimism about this sort of thing is cheering, mostly. But, really, you think this administration will let any sort of pressure force it into any sort of action? It certainly hasn’t so far.

Personally I would love to see a federal law enforcement officer with some brass ones and the appropriate jurisdiction walk into some of the offices and start making arrests. Force Holder to actually let them out of the clink. Hmmmm, I bet they broke some state laws doing this. Put that federalism thingy to the test by having some state troopers (or Sherrif Arpaio) arrest them.

GWB on May 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM

So what if it doesn’t pass in the Senate. He will still go down in history as being impeached. See Bill Clinton.

Mirimichi on May 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

So what? It puts the Dems on record that they are okay with the IRS targeting some groups to curtail their civil rights while rewarding other groups for being ideologically aligned with the left. It puts the Dems on record that they are okay with the IRS leaking information to leftist groups to use against conservative candidates.

In short, if the Dems want to keep their rat-eared passerby they can keep their rat-eared passerby. But their consitutents get to know where they stand on protecting civil rights, upholding the Constitution, and good (transparent) governance.

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Boehner: IRS scandal question is “who’s going to jail?”

..why does one get the impression that if this tobacco-sucking piece of road pie runs things, it’ll be two janitors in the Cincy IRS office who get laid off?

The War Planner on May 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Sweet indeed. :)

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM

libfreeordie on May 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Page 8 of the IRS Inspector General’s report:

While the team of specialists reviewed applications from a variety of organizations, we determined during our reviews of statistical samples of I.R.C. § 501(c)(4) tax-exempt applications that all cases with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were forwarded to the team of specialists.

Got that?

ALL groups with ‘Tea Party,’ ‘Patriots,’ and ’9/12′ in their names were singled out…every single one.

Do you know who wasn’t illegally targeted and referred to the ‘Special Unit’?

The Barack H Obama Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

‘Organizing for America’ is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Media Matters for America is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Center for American Progress is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The Center for American Progress Action Fund is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Priorities USA is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

MoveOn.org is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Democratic Socialists of America is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

ActBlue is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Center for Progressive Leadership is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Progressive Majority is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Voters for Choice is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

NARAL Pro-Choice America, Inc., is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

The National Organisation for Women is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

The SEIU is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

The AFL-CIO is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

The ACLU Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The ACLU is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The American Task Force on Palestine is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

CAIR is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

North American Islamic Trust is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

LaRaza is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

People For the American Way Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

People For the American Way is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Emily’s List is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Democracy 21 is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Health Care for America Now (HCAN) is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

Democracy Alliance is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

American Bridge 21st Century is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Atlantic Philanthropies is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Pro Publica is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The Center for Community Change is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

People Before Profits is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

United For Peace And Justice is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The National Lawyers Guild is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Socialist Party USA is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

The Ruckus Society is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

CREW is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

Colour of Change is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

ANSWER is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

CodePink is a 501(c)(3) organisation.

ProgressNow is a 501(c)(4) organisation.

FACT: Left-leaning groups received their tax-exempt designation in an average of 9 months. Right-leaning groups were left in limbo. If you don’t like that FACT, take it up with the Inspector General.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The problem with your analogy is that the Dems have not overplayed an impeachment hand in their history. The GOP did, less than 20 years ago.

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM

BS! So Clinton didn’t get tossed (as he clearly should have). That doesn’t mean that the GOP overplayed anything. That impeachment was what got the “it depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is” out of Clinton as a ‘defense’, which made everyone’s jaw drop – even Clinton’s supporters.

Also, if you recall what actually happened at the time, EVERYONE thought that Clinton would have to resign. EVERYONE. Stephlopagus, the rest of the idiot left … EVERYONE. It wasn’t the GOP overplaying anything but Clinton having absolutely no shame, at all, and deciding that he would take America down with him rather than do the right thing and resign. Then Clinton fired off a bunch of Tomahawks to divert attention from his, clearly, insane and lying testimony.

That impeachment, in any event, didn’t cost the GOP anything – contrary to NOW popular belief. In the next elections, the GOP lost 2 House seats and gained 2 Senate seats, which is a net gain.

When the law is broken and the US is threatened from the Executive branch, impeachment is done. Period. Whether the idiots in the Senate will convict or not.

But, get your history correct on what happened during Clinton’s impeachment.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

So what can Boehner do? He can make sure that House committees start subpoenaing IRS and Treasury officials to determine under oath what actually transpired for the 27 months that the IRS blocked conservative groups’ tax-exempt applications while approving dozens for progressive groups. The House can file contempt charges against Douglas Shulman and Steve Miller, the former and current IRS Commissioners, for either lying to Congress in testimony or misleading Congress over these practices, although those would have to be pursued in court by the Department of Justice.

They need to hold hearings and press IRS witnesses to the point that they “take the Fifth”. That will really get attention.

Blaise on May 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The right answer here is not to turn this into a criminal matter. That just turns the attention off the bureaucracy and onto the actions of individual “rogue” IRS bureaucrats. Not the message we want.

No, we need to use this to frame the IRS as being politicized and untrustworthy. Then ask: Can we trust government to run our health care? Or the IRS to protect our medical privacy? Really? Then boom, we are off to the races of reforming ObamaCare… And the scandal itself will gridlock Washington and prevent Obama from enacting any more of his leftist agenda.

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

..why does one get the impression that if this tobacco-sucking piece of road pie runs things, it’ll be two janitors in the Cincy IRS office who get laid off?

The War Planner on May 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Indeed. H/t to you Sir!

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:00 PM

did Boehner just Fart??

Look at the woman’s facial expression standing behind him….

ToddPA on May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM

BS! So Clinton didn’t get tossed (as he clearly should have). That doesn’t mean that the GOP overplayed anything.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Uh… yeah. It’s exactly what it means.

You strike the King, you’d best kill him. If you don’t, someone’s head is gonna roll. That’s a truism of power, even past the times of kings. And if you doubt it, ask Newt Gingrich.

Or, more to the point, ask the GOP congresscritters who lost their seats, in a sixth-year, out-of-power election. The GOP lost seats, in a year history tells us we should have made big gains. The people spoke abot that impeachment, spoke loud and freaking clear.

And what they said was: “Overplayed”.

Impeachment is, by its nature, a political process. And whether it was done properly or not is judged by the political outcomes that follow, by the winners and losers. And there is no doubt, none whatsoever, just who won and just who lost.

Unlike WJC, the election returns don’t lie…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

BS! So Clinton didn’t get tossed (as he clearly should have). That doesn’t mean that the GOP overplayed anything. ***

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The dynamics of impeachment were interesting. There was no way the GOP was going to actually remove Clinton from office. The impeachment vote ended up 17 votes short of the 2/3 required. So in the end, the Republicans fought an unwinnable battle, and the fallout from that arguably cost Newt Gingrich his speakership.

But I think that impeachment was key to Bush’s victory in 2000. Remember that Algore basically sidelined Clinton during the campaign, because Clinton’s approval ratings had dropped due to the impeachment. I have to believe that, had Clinton’s reputation not been tarnished, having Clinton at Algore’s side during the campaign would have put him over the top.

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Uh oh: Meme exploded…..

libfreeordie on May 15, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Yep, the Dirty asks the Dirty to “come clean”.

Irony, sweet irony. It writes itself.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM

why does one get the impression that if this tobacco-sucking piece of road pie runs things, it’ll be two janitors in the Cincy IRS office who get laid off quietly reassigned to another location?

The War Planner on May 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Indeed. H/t to you Sir!

FIFY

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I’m sorry, Boehner has demonstrated time and again that he’s going to bark from the porch with the little dogs when the big dogs run by. He doesn’t have the stones to do anything but talk.

E9RET on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Senate Dems ‘repeatedly and publicly’ pressured IRS to investigate conservative groups…

UH-OH! Move over on that ‘hot seat’, Obama…we may have Democratic Party Senators joining you….

“I WANT NAMES!”

easyt65 on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Very good, but wasted effort on some people.

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

But I think that impeachment was key to Bush’s victory in 2000.

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Really? In an election that Bush actually finished behind in the popular vote by a half a million votes?

I would think Karl Rove’s ability to get precinct level data in FLA on a twice daily basis was key…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Excellent work, as usual. You are a national treasure, a legal one!

Then the delays for the Jewish groups but the speed up for Obama’s uncle’s charity.

Now the IRS claim they “did it to save time”…uh-huh.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Very good, but wasted effort on some people.

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Not a second wasted. These documents are not for libnotfree.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM

But I think that impeachment was key to Bush’s victory in 2000. Remember that Algore basically sidelined Clinton during the campaign, because Clinton’s approval ratings had dropped due to the impeachment. I have to believe that, had Clinton’s reputation not been tarnished, having Clinton at Algore’s side during the campaign would have put him over the top.

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Yep. Clinton was ostracized by the dems for a long time. It took the lunatic left years to finally repress those memories and bring BJ back into the spotlight. Some, however, seem to forget all that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The first half black president turns out to be a thuggish incompetent turd. So much for PC.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yep. Clinton was ostracized by the dems for a long time.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Yeah. That walk down the hall at the 2000 DNC just screamed “Ostracized”…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Really? In an election that Bush actually finished behind in the popular vote by a half a million votes?

I would think Karl Rove’s ability to get precinct level data in FLA on a twice daily basis was key…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Bush won that election by 523 votes in Florida–probably the narrowest margin of victory in the 20th Century. You mean to tell me for one minute that had Clinton never been impeached, and had campaigned alongside Algore, that Algore wouldn’t have been able to pick up 523 extra votes in Florida? (And perhaps hundreds of thousands of more votes on top of it. . .)

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

One of the few redeeming qualities of Monarchies or dictatorships was that, upon discovery of such a public scandal, heads would literally roll.
We should expect nothing less than the equivalent exercised within our society.

questionmark on May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

IIRC, after he lost AlGore was pretty bitter about what Bubba’s philandering and lying probably did to his chances.

farsighted on May 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Bush won that election by 523 votes in Florida–probably the narrowest margin of victory in the 20th Century. You mean to tell me for one minute that had Clinton never been impeached, and had campaigned alongside Algore, that Algore wouldn’t have been able to pick up 523 extra votes in Florida? (And perhaps hundreds of thousands of more votes on top of it. . .)

Outlander on May 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Based on the 1998 elections, I would guess had the GOP not overplayed impeachment, Bush would have won both FLA and the nationwide popular vote by comfortable enough margins to avoid recounts anywhere. He might have picked up WI, IA and NM also…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM

IIRC, after he lost AlGore was pretty bitter about what Bubba’s philandering and lying probably did to his chances.

farsighted on May 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Al Gore? Bitter?

GET

OUT!!!

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Obama couldn’t care less what happens to the peons, now. They got him re-elected – that was the purpose of the obstructions, and that’s all that matters.

OldEnglish on May 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM

But the Justice Department’s decision-making in the AP case doesn’t inspire confidence…

Nor does its handling of Fast & Furious or any other investigation. If the Justice Department can’t figure out what happened and hold people accountable within its own department (F&F), how can we be confident they can investigate another department?

Or as I’ve told others, if Justice can’t figure out F&F, which should be a fully documented operation within their own department, what chance do they have of figuring out how a drug cartel works?

taznar on May 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Based on the 1998 elections, I would guess had the GOP not overplayed impeachment, Bush would have won both FLA and the nationwide popular vote by comfortable enough margins to avoid recounts anywhere. He might have picked up WI, IA and NM also…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Clinton wasn’t impeached until after the November, 1998, elections. IIRC, it was around Christmas and the Senate trial was a few months later.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Pentagon Papers Attorney: ‘Obama Is Fast Becoming the Worst National Security Press President Ever’

Barky’s been that since his first day. He’s leaked national security information, himself, in order to bolster his own position. He gave away the secrets with Stuxnet (to do a victory lap). He told the world the size of our nuclear arsenal. The size of the British arsenal. He intentionally stalled on strategic decisions in Afghanistan – just to injure the Americna effort. He went after CIA interrogators. He tried to bring foreign jihadis to American soil for trials in Manhattan. He released pictures and information about interrogators to terrorists and the public.

He illegally took the US to war in Libya without even telling Congress, let alone getting any approval (as Bush had ALWAYS done). He cut a US ally’s legs out from under him (Mubarak) in order to help the pan-islamic wave sweep over the arab world.

Etc., etc., etc.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The IRS is inherently corrupt and firing a few employees isn’t going to change that. The IRS needs to be be closed and the income tax regime needs to be replaced with a national sales tax.

If the crooked federal government wont do that, then it’s time to end the crooked federal government in total!

FloatingRock on May 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I doubt it’s a coincidence that the IRS gestapo was created at a time in history when fascism/communism was on the rise in the world. It’s time to terminate the IRS!

FloatingRock on May 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Clinton wasn’t impeached until after the November, 1998, elections. IIRC, it was around Christmas and the Senate trial was a few months later.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

That’s true, but on E-Day 1998, the charges were set, and the election was in most competitive precincts a referendum on impeachment.

Oh, and some polling from the weeks leading up to E-Day 1998. Of particular note:

ABC News Poll. Latest: Conducted Monday night, August 17, 1998

“If he does not resign, do you think Congress should or should not impeach Clinton and remove him from office?”

Should impeach 25
Should not 69
No opinion 6

Overplayed…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Boehner’s best chance to see his perspective prevail is to call for a special prosecutor in the IRS probe. That would probably sideline the House committees, though, and that might create even more problems for Boehner, at least politically among his caucus.

The politicians need to start thinking about what their jobs are instead of trying to protect their little fiefdoms.

Vince on May 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Overplayed…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Keep f**kin’ that chicken.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Keep f**kin’ that chicken.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM

For those of us unable or unwilling to remember the 1998 elections, that chicken f**ked us…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM

57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 1:34 PM

That the number is so low is really disgusting!

OldEnglish on May 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Not a second wasted. These documents are not for libnotfree.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Excellent! Carry on.

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM

57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 1:34 PM

That the number is so low is really disgusting!

OldEnglish on May 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Indeed it is.

The IRS in its entirety is offensive.

It needs to be abolished.

hawkeye54 on May 15, 2013 at 1:46 PM

For those of us unable or unwilling to remember the 1998 elections, that chicken f**ked us…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Oy. IN Jan 2001, the GOP held the White House, the House, and the Senate. GOP control of Congress increased through to 2005. It wasn’t until Bush’s second term, his idiotic turn leftwards, and that insanely treasonous push for illegals that then cost the GOP EVERYTHING, starting in the 2006 elections. By 2008, the GOP held NOTHING and was a pariah among the everyone … the same stupid, treasonous representation for illegals that they are playing now.

Clinton’s impeachment had no political repercussions for the GOP other than letting Bush gain the White House. And you want to act as if it killed the GOP. LOL.

Just wondering, are you a Rubio supporter? Since you seem to have such a keen sense of politics and what costs power in Washington I’d like to know.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Clinton’s impeachment had no political repercussions for the GOP other than letting Bush gain the White House. And you want to act as if it killed the GOP. LOL.

Just wondering, are you a Rubio supporter? Since you seem to have such a keen sense of politics and what costs power in Washington I’d like to know.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Once again, the 1998 election returns disagree with you. And apparently you need reminding that while in Jan 2001 we held the Senate, in June 2001, we did not. And that was a direct result of losing seats in 1998 that we should have won, but for impeachment backlash.

And no, I support Rand Paul at this time, and going forward. Failing that, I will support Ted Cruz. Both of whom I suspect have better political antennae than to suggest impeachment for all but the gravest crimes, and only when they are on rock solid political ground…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Lerner also appears to have broken with the norms of tax-exemption approval by granting retroactive tax-exempt status to Malik Obama’s organization.

A child, on her own, decides to have a non-profit organization? Even though we are supposed to be hands off and let her have her privacy?

An incompetent organization (that’s been in existence for about 100 years) would be ham-handed with everyone, not just one side of the debate.

rbj on May 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Malik, as in the Obama’s half brother who has 12 wives who somehow end up with mysterious bruises, not Malia, as in Michelle’s daughter.

cptacek on May 15, 2013 at 2:05 PM

wrong thread :/ sorry

cptacek on May 15, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The problem with your analogy is that the Dems have not overplayed an impeachment hand in their history. The GOP did, less than 20 years ago. We no longer have the benefit of the doubt on our side…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I guess if you think that holding the President accountable for suborning (sp?) perjury and obstruction of justice amounts to ‘overplaying your hand’, perhaps.

I don’t happen to think that those are immaterial actions on the part of the chief executive officer in the country. Do you?

Midas on May 15, 2013 at 2:09 PM

“… The Internal Revenue Service is now facing a class action lawsuit over allegations that it improperly accessed and stole the health records of some 10 million Americans, including medical records of all California state judges.

According to a report by Courthousenews.com, an unnamed HIPAA-covered entity in California is suing the IRS, alleging that some 60 million medical records from 10 million patients were stolen by 15 IRS agents. The personal health information seized on March 11, 2011, included psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual/drug treatment and other medical treatment data.

“This is an action involving the corruption and abuse of power by several Internal Revenue Service agents,” the complaint reads. “No search warrant authorized the seizure of these records; no subpoena authorized the seizure of these records; none of the 10,000,000 Americans were under any kind of known criminal or civil investigation and their medical records had no relevance whatsoever to the IRS search.

IT personnel at the scene, a HIPPA facility warning on the building and the IT portion of the searched premises, and the company executives each warned the IRS agents of these privileged records,” it continued. According to the case, the IRS agents had a search warrant for financial data pertaining to a former employee of the John Doe company, however, “it did not authorize any seizure of any healthcare or medical record of any persons, least of all third parties completely unrelated to the matter,” the complaint read.

The class action lawsuit against the IRS seeks $25,000 in compensatory damages “per violation per individual” in addition to punitive damages for constitutional violations. Thus, compensatory damages could start at a minimum of $250 billion…”

IRS faces class action lawsuit over theft of 60 million medical records

luckybogey on May 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I guess if you think that holding the President accountable for suborning (sp?) perjury and obstruction of justice amounts to ‘overplaying your hand’, perhaps.

I don’t happen to think that those are immaterial actions on the part of the chief executive officer in the country. Do you?

Midas on May 15, 2013 at 2:09 PM

No, I do not. Which is why I supported his impeachment at the time.

I got it wrong. We all got it wrong. We should have known by the polling that we were getting it wrong. But we behaved as if we were in the priesthood, as opposed to the polity. And went full steam ahead into defeat, and Newt Gingrich’s removal.

That we were in the right didn’t matter, so long as the people thought we were in the wrong. Impeachment happens in Congress, on the theory that if Congress gets it wrong, the people can most easily punish them, and hopefully correct the situation.

Well, by any metric, the GOP got punished. We lost a couple of House seats when we should have gained somewhere around 20. We only held even in the Senate thanks to an incompetent corrupt Senator from Chicago (imagine that!) losing a seat to the GOP that promptly went to Barack Obama six years later. But for that, we would have lost ground in the Senate, when we should have picked up around 5-6 seats.

I’m not saying these current scandals won’t lead to impeachment. What I’m saying is that the burden of proof is much higher for us this time around, because we failed so spectacularly last time…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The GOP needs to name a special prosecutor. Today. They are underplaying their hand in my opinion and need to ramp it up a couple notches.

dogsoldier on May 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

The GOP needs to name a special prosecutor. Today. They are underplaying their hand in my opinion and need to ramp it up a couple notches.

dogsoldier on May 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Whether or not a SP is more desirable than having House committees doing the investigation is debatable.

However, there is absolutely no need to rush this. Let the investigators do their job. Let them turn over every rock, shine a light in every crevice.

I would think that should take at least until Nov 2014…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Speaker of the House Boehner must stop crying, get a pair, man-up and convene a special panel to begin IMPEACHMENT hearings for the high crimes and misdemeanors of OBOZO on the following grounds:

- the illegal sestak and romanoff job offers,
- CRONY CAPITALISM with GE, Goldman Sachs, GM, GovernmentOOGLE, solyndra and hundreds of others,
- blatant extortion of money from a company (BP),
- intentional failure to protect our borders a requirement of his oath of office,
- willfully ignoring the legal rulings of the courts,
- funneling massive amounts of taxpayer money to unions that then illegally kick-back money to the d-cRAT socialists,
- unilaterally and illegally gutting the work requirement in welfare reform legislation,
- making campaign videos in the White House in violation of FEC rules,
- intentional failure to enforce immigration laws and the intimidation of any state or law enforcement agency that does try to enforce them,
- unilaterally and illegally refusing to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act,
- unconstitutional NON-recess appointments,
- unconstitutional/unlawful military action in Libya,
- DOJ acceptance and encouragement of Blank Panther voter intimidation,
- unconstitutional attacks on religious freedom in violation of the 1st Amendment,
- outrageous race-base law enforcement by the DOJ,
- serving as an accomplice to murder of four Americans in Benghazi and his massive cover-up of the facts of this atrocity,
- serving as an accomplice to murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry (and thousands of mexican) from his ILLEGAL gun-running operation of Fast and Furious and his massive cover-up of the facts of this atrocity,
- his use of the IRS to harass and attack conservative American as an act of DOMESTIC TERRORISM by his administration,
– and his many, many, many other offenses against America and the US Constitution.

TeaPartyNation on May 15, 2013 at 2:47 PM

The GOP needs to name a special prosecutor. Today. They are underplaying their hand in my opinion and need to ramp it up a couple notches.

dogsoldier on May 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Whether or not a SP is more desirable than having House committees doing the investigation is debatable.

However, there is absolutely no need to rush this. Let the investigators do their job. Let them turn over every rock, shine a light in every crevice.

I would think that should take at least until Nov 2014…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM

A committee is worthless because those that testify know that they can commit perjury because any prosecution would be blocked by the halfwit Eric Holder. We have to have a Special Prosecutor.

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Very simple!!!

Freeze the pay of all IRS employees for five years.

Cut $1 billion dollars from the IRS budget.

Cut $2 billion dollars from the Treasury budget.

Repeat the following fiscal year if there is no improvements.

Speaker Boehner (Boner) has no guts!!!

patch on May 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The problem with your analogy is that the Dems have not overplayed an impeachment hand in their history. The GOP did, less than 20 years ago. We no longer have the benefit of the doubt on our side…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM

It was the Republicans that forced Nixon’s resignation. Goldwater and Scott went to him and told him that he did not have the Republican votes in the Senate to avoid conviction and removal and, if he stayed, he would destroy the GOP.

Now, as for Clinton, I am conflicted. The fact is that the man lied under oath and obstructed justice. We know that. He was not convicted and removed solely because of politics. Some will say that is as it should have been. Others will say that no one is above the law. Personally, I wish that he had never lied under oath or obstructed justice. As an attorney, I do not tolerate either because I have seen too many harmed by the powerful, who have done what he did. In those cases, I have wanted them to be prosecuted. Why would we not want the President to be prosecuted for the same? Is he above the law? If not prosecuted, should a POTUS remain in office after being busted?

I think that the Republicans did the correct thing with regard to Nixon. If Democrats had any morals, dignity, and sense of shame, they would have gone to Clinton and told him to resign.

As for whether the Republicans overplayed their hand with Clinton, I wasn’t here then, but I remember it. I also recall with clarity the coverage and, OF COURSE, the press was on Clinton’s side. So, obviously, Republicans were made out to be the bad guys…and, in truth, some very much were…like those that were engaging in hypocritical behaviour.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

“That would probably sideline the House committees, though, and that might create even more problems for Boehner, at least politically among his caucus.”

So, the message is that we can’t fight politically-motivated corruption because of politically-expedient considerations.

Wonder how we got here? That.

Tsar of Earth on May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Now, as for Clinton, I am conflicted. The fact is that the man lied under oath and obstructed justice. We know that. He was not convicted and removed solely because of politics. Some will say that is as it should have been. Others will say that no one is above the law. Personally, I wish that he had never lied under oath or obstructed justice. As an attorney, I do not tolerate either because I have seen too many harmed by the powerful, who have done what he did. In those cases, I have wanted them to be prosecuted. Why would we not want the President to be prosecuted for the same? Is he above the law? If not prosecuted, should a POTUS remain in office after being busted?

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

And I say this as someone unburdened by a law school education, and jaded by both a formal and practical education in politics:

Impeachment is not a legal matter. It is political. And as such, when you do it, you had better have a big majority of the people behind you. If there’s even a question, you don’t do it. Because, as we saw in 1998, the polity doesn’t take overturning the results of elections lightly…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Impeachment is not a legal matter. It is political. And as such, when you do it, you had better have a big majority of the people behind you. If there’s even a question, you don’t do it. Because, as we saw in 1998, the polity doesn’t take overturning the results of elections lightly…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I know that impeachment is not a legal matter. I also know that a sitting President cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Mr. Dirty tells Obama to “come clean”.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Talk about chutzpah.

Bitter Clinger on May 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

I know that impeachment is not a legal matter. I also know that a sitting President cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM

the bottom line is that nobody should be talking impeachment at this point.

Investigate the hell out of the scandals, uncover crimes by underlings, and work the media.

One thing we need to have learned from the Clinton impeachment – don’t do it unless the public is largely calling for it. Otherwise, it will just blow up in your face.

The GOP can garner a lot of political use our of investigating and forcing the prosecution of those who committed crimes.

And at the same time all of these scandals help educate the public on what conservatives are talking about when they want to limit gov’t power and limit the size and scope of gov’t. We need to use these scandals as teaching moments.

If we instead focus on trying to impeach Obama (which is impractical anyway because the Dems hold the Senate and he would never be convicted), the public will turn on the GOP. Only bring up impeachment when the polls show 55% or better of the public in favor of impeachment. That is the lesson from the Clinton Impeachment. I am not talking about right and wrong here – I am talking pure politics. How does it help to be “right” on impeaching Clinton when it basically lost the GOP house seats, helped Clinton get re-elected, re-energized a flagging far-left activist base, and made the public suspect of GOP led investigations into the next D president’s scandals (Obama)? We can’t claim that being “right” on impeachment was a win for the country or the GOP.

Instead, focus on bringing out more and more dirt so that Obama’s remaining term is ineffectual and all D’s are tarnished. At the same time, educate the public on the dangers of (a) a toadying media that slobbers over one party; (b) a cult of personality around a politician and (c) massive gov’t that controls every aspect of our lives.

I am frankly more concerned with the GOP being too weak in going after these scandals rather than too tough, but we in the base have to set our expectations realistically and force the GOP to do the right thing. If the GOP sees conservatives of jumping right into clamoring for impeachment, they are going to largely ignore us (not that they don’t do that already).

Monkeytoe on May 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Impeachment worries are far away but let’s not forget that Bubba now brags about all the budgetary improvements that he had to be pulled kicking and screaming into. Right now all I care about is the truth and that the public finally wakes up. Impeachment would probably not be good for anyone but a Republican Congress would probably be an improvement. Consider that a qualifier since we have to deal with the Gang of 8.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Impeachment worries are far away but let’s not forget that Bubba now brags about all the budgetary improvements that he had to be pulled kicking and screaming into. Right now all I care about is the truth and that the public finally wakes up. Impeachment would probably not be good for anyone but a Republican Congress would probably be an improvement. Consider that a qualifier since we have to deal with the Gang of 8.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

That’s right. I’m far more concerned with 2014 and our (admittedly outside) chance of taking the Senate back. Right now, it looks like we could be beating the Dems up over scandal right up until the elections. That’s as sweet a scenario as you are going to find in this mess…

JohnGalt23 on May 15, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Boehner’s Boner’s tough talk is easy when not only does he not have to do anything, he can’t. Go home and find yourself a nice private lobbying job, Congressman Boner. There’s life the way you think it should be, and then there’s reality. Reality is nothing’s going to happen — and all of Boner’s chest thumping isn’t going to change a thing.

gryphon202 on May 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Until Boehner does something…special committee with subpoena powers, he’s just bloviating.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Exactly, a select committee IS within his power and he hasn’t done it yet. The rest is just talk.

jnelchef on May 15, 2013 at 6:18 PM

To paraphrase The One… There is no “if” there.

WestTexasBirdDog on May 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM

It’ll be some sorry slapd!ck that can barely afford his alimony and survival…poor bastard! Meanwhile back in Mayberry…squirrel!

Oh and btw, the symphony is in perfect harmony at this point…there is no 2014/2016 if the conservative population decides to sit on their lazy a$$ like last November…I’m very disappointed… Attack, attack and don’t stop attacking! EVER!

OldWeaselKeeper on May 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM

E9RET on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Dead on Chief!

OldWeaselKeeper on May 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Prison. This is serious stuff.

disa on May 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

hey

nonpartisan on May 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM

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