WaPo: IRS targeting of Tea Party, conservative groups also in Washington office

posted at 8:01 am on May 14, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The story told by Lois Lerner in Friday’s IRS apology continues to fall apart faster than Al Capone’s audit defense.  Last night, the Washington Post revealed that the effort to target opponents of the Obama administration was not limited to just one office in Cincinnati, but encompassed three other offices as well — one of which was IRS headquarters in Washington DC.

How convenient:

Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

The search terms turned out to be even more broad than first thought.  Guess what another one was? “Voter fraud,” apparently:

In one instance, however, Ron Bell, an IRS employee, informed a lawyer representing a conservative group focused on voter fraud that the application was under review in Washington. On several other occasions, IRS officials in Washington and California sent conservative groups detailed questionnaires about their voter outreach and other activities, according to the documents.

“For the IRS to say it was some low-level group in Cincinnati is simply false,” said Cleta Mitchell, a partner in the law firm Foley & Lardner LLP who sought to communicate with IRS headquarters about the delay in granting tax-exempt status to True the Vote.

By the way, does anyone remember what the Obama administration thinks about the effort to fight voter fraud?  And now we have evidence that the IRS targeted groups that want to pursue more stringent processes to prevent voter fraud. What a coincidence this must be.  How … convenient.

The Post also catches up with the who-knew-what-and-when of the story:

Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration ­(TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.

Then-Commissioner Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.

Let’s raise a red flag on the Shulman claim.  It’s very convenient for Shulman to claim now that he was briefed in May 2012, because he testified twice in March 2012 that nothing of this sort was happening at the IRS.  However, the IRS chief counsel — the top attorney in the organization — was informed in August 2011 of this targeting.  Just how likely would it have been that Shulman’s chief lawyer would have failed to mention this for nine months, and waited to brief him on it until Shulman was almost out the door?  I’d call that extremely unlikely, and even putting that aside, it still leaves the question of why Shulman never bothered to let anyone know about it, even as a private citizen.

Clearly, this strategy was no isolated incident. Four separate offices spread far across the country worked to put this targeting in place against the political opponents of the White House.  That alone smacks of higher-level coordination, at either the IRS Commissioner level or above.  The fact that it took place in the IRS’ Washington headquarters also shows that it was no rogue effort that ran wild due to lack of supervision.  This was purposeful.

Cui bono?  To whose benefit was this done? The buck stops at the White House — because that’s where the benefits of political harassment would start.


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Sane reporting on the non-scandal. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/irs-tea-party-scandal-congress-nonprofit-obama

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Whatever happened to trollcots? Ruined threads like this one is why I don’t stick around much.

SteveInRTP on May 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Oh, I wouldn’t say “ruined.” Watching someone try to turn back the tide by shrieking has a certain entertainment value.

Bat Chain Puller on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Wow, what a load of crap.

Get that HotGassers?

OWS is good, Mother Jones is the epitome of journalism, and government suppression is the way to go.

And y’all silly people think this idiot can be debated logically and reasoned with.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Obviously, you need things spelled out for you. Iraq and race issues have nothing to do with it, but I think you know that. The IRS scandal is a big deal because the IRS has the power to throw people in jail. If the IRS gets away with targeting people for extensive questioning based on political beliefs, the next logical step is throwing people in jail for their political beliefs. Why would you even try to defend such a thing?

bitsy on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The fact that it took place in the IRS’ Washington headquarters also shows that it was no rogue effort that ran wild due to lack of supervision. This was purposeful.

And in a city with hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of the highest level Democrats in the nation, in the epicenter of Democratic Party power, not a whisper or hint of what was going impinged on the ear drums of or appeared on the laptop or iPhone screen of any Democrat in the nearby WH.

Amazing.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Do you get the picture now?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM

No, his job is to bait you. He is a master baiter. Just look at all the folks here who help him gratify himself.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Yep.

Sometimes…I can’t resist responding though.

Must be the bitter guns and bibleclinger Texan in me…

*shrug*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

And please stop conflating a city government with the federal government in such a way to suggest that the feds were “firebombing” Philly and roughing up OWS parasites. It is intellectually dishonest and absolutely ridiculous.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

1. COINTELPRO
2. You have to learn your history. The FBI has always worked closely with local police departments in their efforts against a broad range of leftist groups, but in particular those run by African Americans. I would suggest reading Donna Murch’s excellent recent history of postwar Oakland and the Black Panther Party. Last, the Philly police used weapons grade C4, which they only could have received from the federal government. And we know that beginning with the Nixon Administration, federal governments have offered city police departments enormous funds to create militarized units, i.e. SWAT.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Is it because the history of the government’s harassment of black political groups and black citizens is so much more egregious that it makes the 24 hour media bonanza and your outrage about the IRS ending some white conservatives a questionnaire look absolutely ridiculous?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

So basically you’re defending the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups as a form of government-sanctioned reverse discrimination? Affirmative action on steroids?

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Bat Chain Puller on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

I agree with that and sometimes enjoy it myself.

The current crop of trolls have little, or no, entertainment value.

Their lies are so shallow and obvious, it is just static.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Obviously, you need things spelled out for you. Iraq and race issues have nothing to do with it, but I think you know that. The IRS scandal is a big deal because the IRS has the power to throw people in jail. If the IRS gets away with targeting people for extensive questioning based on political beliefs, the next logical step is throwing people in jail for their political beliefs. Why would you even try to defend such a thing?

bitsy on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

IRS can also freeze bank accounts…

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I want to see that picture of Obama with that halo over him…
Times have changed..
And most here are not surprised what is happening now..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

OMG. I came to this thread because I was just thinking about the lack of halo photos recently and wanted to leave a comment….but you voiced the thought first. Kudos to you, EG!

freedomfirst on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Sane reporting on the non-scandal. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/irs-tea-party-scandal-congress-nonprofit-obama

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM

If Mother Jones says it, well it must be true.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

*shrug*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I know. Sometimes the urge is irresistible.

Just don’t do it in a way that gives the scumbag another stroke.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So basically you’re defending the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups as a form of government-sanctioned reverse discrimination? Affirmative action on steroids?

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

No. I’m not defending the IRS at all, they should not target political groups. What I’m saying is that the actual “targetting” is totally incomensuate with the outrage considering:
1. The ongoing history of state harassment of black people.
2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

I agree with that and sometimes enjoy it myself.

The current crop of trolls have little, or no, entertainment value.

Their lies are so shallow and obvious, it is just static.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I think it’s because their frustration is beginning to exceed the limits of their medications. They have even started invading the QOTD thread, keeping going the politics when instead we Conservatives get that out of the way early, and just hang out chatting about everything else.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

I want to see that picture of Obama with that halo over him…
Times have changed..
And most here are not surprised what is happening now..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

That photo of him scowling is the real Obama.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM

So basically you’re defending the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups as a form of government-sanctioned reverse discrimination? Affirmative action on steroids?

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

And armed racist thugs outside a polling place threatening whites was just blacks engaged in a get out the vote efforts.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM

IRS targeted…

Fiscal Conservative groups

Constitutional Conservatives

Republican Businesses

Pro-Israel Activists

Traditional Marriage Activists

The enemies list continues to grow.

Basically anybody that was a critic of the progressive agenda and was a legitimate political opponent to the DNC.

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Sane reporting on the non-scandal. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/irs-tea-party-scandal-congress-nonprofit-obama

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM

ROFL Apparently you didn’t even read your own article.

Why apologize for doing what is normal, why keep it secret, why construct a hidden secret group with the IRS whose only purpose is to track conservative groups, why LIE at so many levels if there is nothing untoward happening?

Seriously, you Stateists constantly telling us to just relax are what is creeping everyone out.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I want to see that picture of Obama with that halo over him…
Times have changed..
And most here are not surprised what is happening now..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

That photo of him scowling is the real Obama.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM

No, the picture of the rat-eared coward that appeared in The Bible was the real picture of the bastard.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:09 AM

*shrug*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I know. Sometimes the urge is irresistible.

Just don’t do it in a way that gives the scumbag another stroke.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

*acknowledged*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

No, the picture of the rat-eared coward that appeared in The Bible was the real picture of the bastard.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:09 AM

A nice reminder of who I’m dealing with around here…..

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:12 AM

No. I’m not defending the IRS at all, they should not target political groups. What I’m saying is that the actual “targetting” is totally incomensuate with the outrage considering:
1. The ongoing history of state harassment of black people.
2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Whoa….what? Dude, uhhh…..yeah. Wow.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

No. I’m not defending the IRS at all, they should not target political groups. What I’m saying is that the actual “targetting” is totally incomensuate with the outrage considering:
1. The ongoing history of state harassment of black people.
2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

So it’s the “They did it too” defense. The same one Nixon’s supporters used when they said JFK and Bobby allegedly used the IRS and illegal wiretapping against their political opponents.

jon1979 on May 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Don’t. Feed. The. Troll.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM

A nice reminder of who I’m dealing with around here…..

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Who you’re dealing with? You aren’t dealing with anybody sweetie.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Really? The dead children deserved to be fire bombed by their government? And this proves my point exactly.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Well, it could prove it as far as Bubba Clinton (when he wasn’t getting BJ’s) and Janet Reno are concerned.

Apparently those two thought the kids at Waco deserved what they got.

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I see HA’s top race baiting Marxist bigot has decided to weigh in with the usual crap about what happened at least half a century ago. As if that makes this okay, not a big deal, and nothing to get upset about.

Unless of course the current admin had an R next to its name and the IRS targets were organizations like Jesse Jackson’s and Al Sharton’s “non-political” non-profits. Or the faculty of certain black studies departments in government run universities. Then it would be an outrage.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

A nice reminder of who I’m dealing with around here…..

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:12 AM

So says the East Georgia professor bigot who hates Israel and writes that call Cubans are racists.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:20 AM

I think we are seeing that he crammed one to many skeletons in the closet and the lock on the door finally broke.

It sucks when you find out something that was built up to be rainbows and unicorns is just smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that this is Chicago Politics on steroids…

You expect this from the like of the Johnsons, Kennedys, Clintons and Nixons of the world but at least they were professional at it.

This is just becoming obvious that he is a dodgy used car salesman…

Tilly on May 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Apparently those two thought the kids at Waco deserved what they got.

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

White people. Doesn’t count with libby.

katy the mean old lady on May 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Whoa….what? Dude, uhhh…..yeah. Wow.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Bishop dear, you really *must* try this new thing out called reading. It will prevent embarrassing deployments of sarcasm like the preceding.

25 years ago yesterday, the government targeted a black political organization….with a bunker bomb killing 11 people including five children and burning down 65 homes. No one involved in the bombing was ever prosecuted. So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

I grew up here in philly and beleive me they were not targeted…and they deserved everything they got…
SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:39 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

So it’s the “They did it too” defense. The same one Nixon’s supporters used when they said JFK (D) and Bobby (D) allegedly used the IRS and illegal wiretapping against their political opponents.

jon1979 on May 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Including and likely most prominently, Martin Luther King.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

So says the East Georgia professor bigot who hates Israel and writes that call Cubans are racists.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:20 AM

You think I teach at East Georgia? Hahaha, child please….

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Anyone else feel like Valerie Jarrett is involved in this?

shollen on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

She’s likely behind ALL of these “issues”. Zero isn’t smart enough to think these things up in the first place as evidenced by his statements yesterday.

tru2tx on May 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Including and likely most prominently, Martin Luther King.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Again, reading is fundamental. This thread I have been talking about government targeting black political and activist groups (along with everyday black citizens) not a political party. Partisanship is always your refuge when I point out that anti-black violence is a hallmark of the U.S. government.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM

You think I teach at East Georgia? Hahaha, child please….

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Girl please, you were threatening to cite me for “harassment” several months ago when somebody wanted to report to your superiors that you were using East Georgia computers to post your bigotry.

What’s their email addresses again?

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM

You think I teach at East Georgia? Hahaha, child please….

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The majority of us know where you teach.

Remember? You got upset and ran to Ed, when a poster did some research, found out, and posted it on a thread.

If you don’t want to get upset again by somebody else posting your personal information, don’t tease about it.

Just some advice…child.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

No. I’m not defending the IRS at all, they should not target political groups. What I’m saying is that the actual “targetting” is totally incomensuate with the outrage considering:
1. The ongoing history of state harassment of black people.
2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

What the hell does this country’s history of harassment and oppression of blacks have to do with this story? I would accuse you of comparing apples to oranges, but that would be insulting to fruit.

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Dangit! I lost the link from that and I gotta’ go.

Just when the little lyin’ libbie is about to get outed again and go cry.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

This is getting scary. In 12 months these clowns will have full access to our medical records…

PatriotRider on May 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Ok I found someone to read that to me and noticed two things:

1) 25 years ago.

2) One person who responded the way they did.

Or did you want to post the entire thread showing one HotGas commenter after another “gleefully” agreeing with sharptooth there? And ol’ sharpie is gone now, isn’t he, kicked out for what he said?

Oh wait, you must be stereotyping, I thought you evolved liberals were above such things? Oh well, if you can do it so can I:

New Black Panthers Call For Race War, Burn Florida, Blood Shed, Kill Crackers, For Trayvon April 9th Day of Action
Posted on April 8, 2012

So you want a race war to kill whitey, do you? Nice job, libfree, you murderous thug.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

This is getting scary. In 12 months these clowns will have full access to our medical records…

PatriotRider on May 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Adding to that, they leaked info on the Conservative groups to outside entities. Who’s to say they won’t do that with medical records? Like an IRS worker who has a relative in the medical/pharma industry, and people suddenly start getting spam or regular advertisements in the mail?

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Remember? You got upset and ran to Ed, when a poster did some research, found out You notified the site administrators when HumpBotSalvation (who was not banned) became enraged over a political and ideological disagreement, got obsessed, scoured the internet, stalked you and attempted to intimidate you into not posting by exposing your personal information on a forum specifically designed for anonymity.

I DO remember that. Thanks Kingsjester!

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Don’t forget the Jooooos.

“The same Internal Revenue Service office that singled out Tea Party groups for extra scrutiny also challenged Israel-related organizations, at least one of which filed suit over the agency’s handling of its application for tax-exempt status. The trouble for the Israel-focused groups seems to have had different origins than that experienced by conservative groups, but at times the effort seems to have been equally ham-handed. . . . Legal filings show that the problems for Z Street — and apparently for other Israel-related groups — stemmed from an obscure unit in the Cincinnati IRS office: the ‘Touch and Go Group.’”

Instapundit.

Obama’s IRS thugs also went after Jewish groups that, as one member was told by an IRS agent, “did not support the administration’s foreign policy.”

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Always have to alter the truth to fit your world view, doncha?

Child.

By the way, would you like some cheese with that whine?

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Girl please, you were threatening to cite me for “harassment” several months ago when somebody wanted to report to your superiors that you were using East Georgia computers to post your bigotry.

What’s their email addresses again?

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Feel free to e-mail the administrators at East Georgia College all day long.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Bishop dear, you really *must* try this new thing out called reading. It will prevent embarrassing deployments of sarcasm like the preceding.

Libidiot

Speaking of Reading. here’s a Quote for you to Read at
your leisure….

“Against Stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in Vain”

(I capitalized the word Vain)

ToddPA on May 14, 2013 at 9:38 AM

25 years ago yesterday, the government targeted a black political organization….with a bunker bomb killing 11 people including five children and burning down 65 homes. No one involved in the bombing was ever prosecuted. So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

So any black liberal president should get a pass. On anything.

Seems only right.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Obama’s IRS thugs also went after Jewish groups that, as one member was told by an IRS agent, “did not support the administration’s foreign policy.”

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

That’s because the Jews have a well-known history for murderously persecuting blacks, and they are staunchly conservative to boot, voting for the GOP at somewhere around 90%.

Non issue. Time to move along, homophobe, before we decide to reeducate you.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

They shouldn’t have gone after the AP. The government can infringe on your 2nd, 4th, 9th and 10th Amendment rights all day long, as well as the religious and assembly parts of the 1st, but by God, don’t go after the press section of the 1st.

cptacek on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

A sane perspective from “Mother Jones” …libfreeordie

Waiting for you to cite even more credible sources such as ‘People’s Daily Worker’,’Weekly World News’,’Cracked’ and ‘Big ‘Uns’.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM

So any black liberal president should get a pass. On anything.

Seems only right.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

1. This isn’t even a story about the President
2. My point on this thread is quite clear. The level of outrage in no way matches the level of harassment if we put the IRS’ actions in conversations with other efforts by the state to target black political groups. Its just not that difficult a claim to get around.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Feel free to e-mail the administrators at East Georgia College all day long.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Cool, not that I needed your permission.

Just don’t whine about “harrassment” again.

Waaah, waaah, baby want a bottle.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

1. The ongoing history of state harassment of black people.
2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Well, that explains the high crime (including murder) rate in black communities here in Philly. The state does nothing because it chooses to harass them instead. Oh wait, we have a black mayor, black police chief, black administrative judge, black DA…

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM

LOL!

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Wow. This is why, boys and girls, the press should never become emotionally-entangled with their political figures and coddle them like toddlers at a Disney Princess-themed party. They make small, weak-minded men like Obama become power-intoxicated monstrous narcissists whose fall will be one for the ages. It’s gonna be legendary. Time for the press to get on the right side of history or go down in flames with the sinking ship. Come on rats, there’s till time for ya to catch the credibility life raft.

RepubChica on May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

libfree is not too fond of Jews either.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

libfree is not too fond of Jews either.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Oh really? Ha! OK, based on what? Oh right, its the person who teaches at East Georgia College who you think is me.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The ISR is a part of the Executive branch, through the Department of the Treasury. They answer to the President.

So, yes. This thread does involve your messiah.

Idiot.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

IRS.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

That photo of him scowling is the real Obama.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM

I hope to see more pictures of him crying.

cptacek on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

1. This isn’t even a story about the President
2. My point on this thread is quite clear. The level of outrage in no way matches the level of harassment if we put the IRS’ actions in conversations with other efforts by the state to target black political groups. Its just not that difficult a claim to get around.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

1) The IRS is part of the executive branch. While there is zero evidence Obama is part of this, he’s still ultimately responsible for it.

2) Your point is to distract, pure and simple. But the difference between you and me as that I’m against targeting both black and white political groups.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

RepubChica on May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Yep. It’s going to be like closing time at the bar, and the last one left has to pick up the tab.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Why do documented facts and history make you so angry? Is it because the history of the government’s harassment of black political groups and black citizens is so much more egregious that it makes the 24 hour media bonanza and your outrage about the IRS ending some white conservatives a questionnaire look absolutely ridiculous?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Hey, dummie, it is precisely those actions (there is a whole line of cases involving the NAACP and other minority protection and other special interest organizations vs the IRS from the 1950′s and beyond) that render this latest IRS bullying episode illegal and extra-constitutional.

You sure do love to play the race card. To no avail, but hey, it’s your hand to lose.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

1) The IRS is part of the executive branch. While there is zero evidence Obama is part of this, he’s still ultimately responsible for it.

We agree there. The point is what should the cost be to a President for the IRS sending out a few questionnaires?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

You have already been banned once under the name DeathToMediaHacks, or something like that.

If this site was run like most are you would be banned again simply for returning as a retread.

One of my criticisms of and disappointments with HA is that it lets trolls, and retread trolls like you, run wild.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM

We agree there. The point is what should the cost be to a President for the IRS sending out a few questionnaires?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

An investigation seems fair to me.

And you didn’t disagree with my second point.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM

libfree is not too fond of Jews either.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

He must be like other blacks such as Sharpton, Jackson, and McKinney who don’t like Jews much.

I would post their quotes about Jews but then libfree would have to spend the next hour trying to explain how all conservatives hate blacks based on one comment from a banned HotGas member.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Feel free to e-mail the administrators at East Georgia College all day long.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

How about me sport…?

You seem obsessed with me. You drag me into everyone of your idiotic rants because I took 3 minutes (not enraged, not scoured) to see if you looked as stupid as you make yourself appear on the internet.

Seriously, azzhole 3 minutes. That’s how long it took because you were stupid enough to post personal information on a forum specifically designed for anonymity.

Answer to the question: You do.

No one threatened you. I asked if the link I sent was you. You could have responded. NO. Instead you acted like a victim…imagine that.

HumpBot Salvation on May 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Master baiter….. cool cozmo.

Dated, but….. U da bomb!

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

The state targeted MOVE and Dr. King and the NAACP, CORE, SNCC and the SCLC because they critiqued institutional oppression. The IRS got sent a questionnaire.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Yep. Those democrats sure were busy oppressing your community. Gad, but you are stupid. Selectively or entirely, I’m not quite sure, yet, but I’m opting for the latter.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM

A questionnaire?!? Heavens to murgatroid snaggle puss! Whatever shall we do!! White privilege is hilarious. The victims of stop n frisk, the MOVE bombing, and COINTELPRO are laughing their ass off. At least those of them who the government hasn’t killed.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Libs cry bloody murder if any minority is ever asked to present ID upon voting, but when an invasive questionnaire, sent only to conservative groups, goes far beyond legitimate tax-related topics and seeks info on family members not involved in any way in the organizations, it is no biggie.

Got it.

steebo77 on May 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM

We agree there. The point is what should the cost be to a President for the IRS sending out a few questionnaires?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

ROFL

Yeah that’s all the IRS did, send out a few questionnaires.

Well ok they also created a secret group within the IRS to track and monitor conservative organizations, lied about it on multiple hierarchical levels, and have started an apology tour for doing something which you claim is no big deal.

Do you normally apologize for doing your job?

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 9:54 AM

You seem obsessed with me. You drag me into everyone of your idiotic rants

Honeyboom I have not uttered your name in months, but I see you are, as ever, watching and reading my every post and feeding whatever weird obsession drove you to want to know who I was in the real world.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

The I hate Israel remark is proof of your bigotry.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2013 at 9:58 AM

A questionnaire?!? Heavens to murgatroid snaggle puss! Whatever shall we do!! White privilege is hilarious. The victims of stop n frisk, the MOVE bombing, and COINTELPRO are laughing their ass off. At least those of them who the government hasn’t killed.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Except the IRS has acknowledged what they did was inappopriate and apologized. I really don’t think asking some questions is unreasonable.

And why on earth are you making this a racial issue? It’s really bizarre.

Chuck Schick on May 14, 2013 at 9:58 AM

We agree there. The point is what should the cost be to a President for the IRS sending out a few questionnaires systematically trying to suppress free speech?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I think that’s what you meant to say.

The cost to the President should be minimal, if and only if:
1) He’s innocent of involvement and in knowledge of the actions
2) He works quickly and tirelessly to expose the truth
3) He works quickly and tirelessly to hold accountable those who are responsible
4) He explains loudly and often, both in general forums, and specifically to the IRS, that such behavior is not acceptable and will not be tolerated
5) He backs up the words in #4 with firings and criminal proceedings where necessary. He also makes sure that those who are fired are never again allowed to work for the government in any capacity.

Obviously, he can delegate most of these tasks, but in the end, he is responsible to make sure the delegates are aware that there is no wiggle room, and that these tasks must be carried out immediately.

If he fails any of these, then the cost to the President should be higher. How much higher depends upon which ones.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 9:59 AM

It’s unbelievable to me that these trolls are here. If you were to post the opposite opinion on huffpo, kos etc, you are immediately banned. This site lets them spew their drivel and yet they Stil hate us. Why Are They Here????

BeachBum on May 14, 2013 at 9:59 AM

2. Conservative’s rather gleeful support for state harassment, and even murder, of leftists, and particularly black political groups.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

The state wasn’t harrassing anyone. The “group” in question was terrorizing their own neighbors (who were also black). Said neighbors had been begging for help from police for months. The help was slow in coming because no one in the (leftist) city govt wanted to be called a racist by bullies like you.

So black leftists were terrorizing their black neighbors, and black politicians refused to help. Then, when they were finally forced to help due to the blatant lawbreaking of your heroes, they screwed it up so badly that innocent black people were killed (along with the black terrorists, I might add). But not one conservative was involved at any point in the above proceedings, and not one conservative was in a position to support it (or denounce it), gleefully or otherwise.

Reading is fundamental. God, what a jerk you are.

runawayyyy on May 14, 2013 at 9:59 AM

incomensuate
libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

“Incomensuate” is not a word scholar. Perhaps you were referring to the periodic, regular bleeding of our incomes dry by the government. Can’t be. That would show too much creativity in combining words.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Libs cry bloody murder if any minority is ever asked to present ID upon voting, but when an invasive questionnaire, sent only to conservative groups, goes far beyond legitimate tax-related topics and seeks info on family members not involved in any way in the organizations, it is no biggie.

Got it.

steebo77 on May 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM

And not only that, but when the IRS starts auditing people over their political views, people need to shut up, because that’s nothing in comparison to black-power groups being bombed.

Aitch748 on May 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Honeyboom I have not uttered your name in months, but I see you are, as ever, watching and reading my every post and feeding whatever weird obsession drove you to want to know who I was in the real world.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Remember? You got upset and ran to Ed, when a poster did some research, found out You notified the site administrators when HumpBotSalvation (who was not banned) became enraged over a political and ideological disagreement, got obsessed, scoured the internet, stalked you and attempted to intimidate you into not posting by exposing your personal information on a forum specifically designed for anonymity.

I DO remember that. Thanks Kingsjester!

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Seriously, phucktard. Every time someone calls you out…you play the victim card. Mean ol HumpBot outed what a worthless POS I am.

Sorry, scooter. Obsession..LOL.iin your dreams. Pity..yes. Good for a laugh..most definitely.

Already explained why I looked you up. Sheer amazement that someone who claimed to be a professor could spout such ignorant and bigoted views.

Read your posts?…99.9% of the time I treat them like the dog chit they are..I step right over them. I can tell by just seeing your moniker there will not be anything of value in them. So again, your a legend in your own mind.

HumpBot Salvation on May 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM

“Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems,” Obama said at the commencement ceremony. “They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.”

President Obama to the graduates of Ohio State, May 5, 2013.

Gosh, he thinks we are so naive.

Fleuries on May 14, 2013 at 10:04 AM

An investigation seems fair to me.
Chuxk Schick

Seems fair to me as well. What is ridiculous is the outrage-palooza. And what it reveals about the racial hypocrisy of conservative anti-statism.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

“Incomensuate” is not a word scholar. Perhaps you were referring to the periodic, regular bleeding of our incomes dry by the government. Can’t be. That would show too much creativity in combining words.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Really? You’re going for typos? Or could you actually not figure out that I meant incommensurate?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Damn, this thread was destroyed by one freaking liberal and you dummies keep feeding the troll.

Goodness. Idiots.

Pavlov’s dog.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on May 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM

runawayyyy on May 14, 2013 at 9:59 AM

You mean they were begging for help like the Gay Ambassador Stevens that was sent to Benghazi on 9/11? Wow, being libturdordie must really hurt when facts come out and it has to twist and shout until the words come out making it feel better about it’s duplicitous nature.

kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Oh, I wouldn’t say “ruined.” Watching someone try to turn back the tide by shrieking has a certain entertainment value.

Bat Chain Puller on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

I’ll give you that, but I just cringe watching people debase and embarrass themselves in public.

SteveInRTP on May 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Race, race, race…blah, blah, blah….Hey, why don’t you stop some white people on the street and spew your racist tripe instead coming on here where you can do it anonymously?

BeachBum on May 14, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Seems fair to me as well. What is ridiculous is the outrage-palooza. And what it reveals about the racial hypocrisy of conservative anti-statism.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Says the internet posterboy for over-the-top outrage and racial grievance mongering.

steebo77 on May 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Really? You’re going for typos? Or could you actually not figure out that I meant incommensurate?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Screwing up a letter in a word is a typo. This was a systematic misspelling of the word because you hadn’t looked it up yet. Just wanted to point out your scholarly bona fides, teach.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM

HumpBot Salvation on May 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM

You can disavow, deflect and disown all you want. The fact of the matter is that while this is just a game and fun and debate for most everyone else, for you it clearly means something more. Something I said or did really got under your skin. You actually cared enough to track me down. Call it amazement, anger, disbelief, whatever, I struck a nerve. And boo, that’s a sad sign for you. I come and go off this forum, I post more frequently at times, less frequently at times, whatever. I’m not pressed. But you? Are steam pressed like last week’s dry cleaning about me. And its just sort of sad.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM

BeachBum on May 14, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Libfree’s a coward. That’s why it hides in academia and anonymously trolls Conservative websites.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I’ll give you that, but I just cringe watching people debase and embarrass themselves in public.

Which is probably why I never quite enjoyed Jerry Lewis/Dean Martin movies all that much.

SteveInRTP on May 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Obama doesn’t know about the IRS issue.
Obama doesn’t know anout Benghazi
Obama doesn’t have any information about anything.
At this point Joe Biden is starting to look like a genius!

Art on May 14, 2013 at 10:13 AM

How much worse can this get?!

/buys more popcorn

Bob's Kid on May 14, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Seems fair to me as well. What is ridiculous is the outrage-palooza. And what it reveals about the racial hypocrisy of conservative anti-statism.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Agreed. If it was President Robert Byrd instead of Dog Eater we would all be onboard with having the IRS being used as a personal intimidation force against us.

Yessir, because all conservatives are white, we line up behind whitey at all times (see: Clinton, Bill, POTUS), and are only outraged at Bark’s malfeasance because he’s black.

You’ve got it all figured out. Now all you have to do is explain why you as a black man are stereotyping others.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM

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