WaPo: IRS targeting of Tea Party, conservative groups also in Washington office

posted at 8:01 am on May 14, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The story told by Lois Lerner in Friday’s IRS apology continues to fall apart faster than Al Capone’s audit defense.  Last night, the Washington Post revealed that the effort to target opponents of the Obama administration was not limited to just one office in Cincinnati, but encompassed three other offices as well — one of which was IRS headquarters in Washington DC.

How convenient:

Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved in the targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

The search terms turned out to be even more broad than first thought.  Guess what another one was? “Voter fraud,” apparently:

In one instance, however, Ron Bell, an IRS employee, informed a lawyer representing a conservative group focused on voter fraud that the application was under review in Washington. On several other occasions, IRS officials in Washington and California sent conservative groups detailed questionnaires about their voter outreach and other activities, according to the documents.

“For the IRS to say it was some low-level group in Cincinnati is simply false,” said Cleta Mitchell, a partner in the law firm Foley & Lardner LLP who sought to communicate with IRS headquarters about the delay in granting tax-exempt status to True the Vote.

By the way, does anyone remember what the Obama administration thinks about the effort to fight voter fraud?  And now we have evidence that the IRS targeted groups that want to pursue more stringent processes to prevent voter fraud. What a coincidence this must be.  How … convenient.

The Post also catches up with the who-knew-what-and-when of the story:

Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration ­(TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.

Then-Commissioner Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.

Let’s raise a red flag on the Shulman claim.  It’s very convenient for Shulman to claim now that he was briefed in May 2012, because he testified twice in March 2012 that nothing of this sort was happening at the IRS.  However, the IRS chief counsel — the top attorney in the organization — was informed in August 2011 of this targeting.  Just how likely would it have been that Shulman’s chief lawyer would have failed to mention this for nine months, and waited to brief him on it until Shulman was almost out the door?  I’d call that extremely unlikely, and even putting that aside, it still leaves the question of why Shulman never bothered to let anyone know about it, even as a private citizen.

Clearly, this strategy was no isolated incident. Four separate offices spread far across the country worked to put this targeting in place against the political opponents of the White House.  That alone smacks of higher-level coordination, at either the IRS Commissioner level or above.  The fact that it took place in the IRS’ Washington headquarters also shows that it was no rogue effort that ran wild due to lack of supervision.  This was purposeful.

Cui bono?  To whose benefit was this done? The buck stops at the White House — because that’s where the benefits of political harassment would start.


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Impeac…..

Nay..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Why must Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, and ugh, Fox? Constantly politicize politics with their right wing hate?

Gatsu on May 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM

The buck stops at the White House — because that’s where the benefits of political harassment would start.

Luckily Obama is never around..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Yikes.

Key West Reader on May 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

I want to see that picture of Obama with that halo over him…
Times have changed..
And most here are not surprised what is happening now..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Just remember these words:

We are only five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America

What? You didn’t believe him?

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Don’t blame Mr…just found out about it
-dear leader

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Don’t blame Mr…just found out about it
-dear leader

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

He read it the newspaper like the rest of us..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

In unrelated news: the most beautiful breasts in Hollywood are now…gone:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130514/DA690BH02.html

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

The WaPo story just adds to the question- What the hell did Lois Lerner think she was going to be able to prevent by pre-emptively telling a lie about a few low level employees in Ohio?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Why is this news? Or anybody elses business for that matter?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:12 AM

The buck goes in the front door of the WH and right out the back, never stopping nor really even slowing down.

A 50 year old child wearing a suit is never going to have the ethics much less the ability to take responsibility for such things, that isn’t why he signed up for the job.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 8:12 AM

It wasn’t just the IRS:

True the Vote’s experiences with the IRS’s abuse of power were recently discussed by Catherine Engelbrecht in a previous interview with Breitbart News. She said:

“‘We applied for nonprofit C-3 status early in 2010. Since that time the IRS has run us through a gauntlet of analysts and hundreds of questions over and over again. They’ve requested to see each and every tweet I’ve ever tweeted or Facebook post I’ve ever posted. They also asked to know every place I’ve ever spoken since our inception and to whom, and everywhere I intend to speak in the future.’

Engelbrecht’s application with the IRS for non-profit status allegedly triggered aggressive audits of one of her family’s personal businesses as well. The FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) began a series of inquiries about her and her group; the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) began demanding to see her family’s firearms in surprise audits of her and her husband’s small gun dealership–which had done less than $200 in sales; OSHA (Occupational Safety Hazards Administration) began a surprise audit of their small family manufacturing business; and the EPA-affiliated TCEQ (Texas Commission on Environment Quality) did a surprise visit and audit due to ‘a complaint being called in.’

The Democratic Party of Texas filed a lawsuit against her, as did an ACORN affiliated group. Both the FBI and the BATF continued to poke around her life, the lives of people in her Tea Party group, and her businesses.

Ultimately, the IRS determined that it actually owed a refund to Engelbrecht; the BATF found nothing wrong in any of its repeated visits and audits; OSHA’s fine-toothed comb found reason to demand $25,000 from Engelbrecht’s family business; and TCEQ demanded the Engelbrechts spend $42,000 on additional storage sheds.

‘This is what the beginning of tyranny looks like,’ Engelbrecht said. ‘My family and I have lived with great concern that we would be subject to even greater government abuses if we were vocal about what they were doing to us because of our political views and our efforts to increase governmental accountability.’

‘We are now convinced the only way to protect ourselves from our government is to speak out and bring our story straight to the American people. If such politically-motivated governmental abuses of power can happen to us, they can happen to anyone,’ said Engelbrecht.”

Breitbart

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Can he really get away with that EG?

Will the lsm finally do something

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

To be fair, Ed, government employees tend to be liberals, especially at agencies criticized often by conservatives such as the IRS.

I don’t think there’s a vast liberal conspiracy in the news media. There’s just a bunch of individual libs doing what libs do.

Until there’s actual evidence of White House involvement, we ought not be saying it is a given.

itsnotaboutme on May 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

No presidential library for you Mr.Obama but we might rename that prison in Illinois you bought after you.

meci on May 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Mike Barnicle now lamenting on Morning Joe that the scandals will harm Obama’s second-term agenda.

How sad.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

All of these scandals are simply a diversion, so that implementation of Obamacare can continue without scrutiny.

NeighborhoodCatLady on May 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

A 50 year old child wearing a suit is never going to have the ethics much less the ability to take responsibility for such things, that isn’t why he signed up for the job.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Lock ten Obama voters in a room and ask each one of them what they thought an Obama presidency would look like..
Each would have a different answer but none of them would have thought Scandals..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Fortunately for the President, the DOJ was too busy monitoring AP phone calls instead of making sure IRS employees were following proper procedures.

perroviejo on May 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM

And let’s not forget that while Obamacare did not fund any new doctors or nurses, or any increase in medical education and training, it did fund tens of thousands of new IRS agents.

NeighborhoodCatLady on May 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM

When Obama says once again that he was “unaware” of this until today, is anybody going to ask him “did you even ask if the IRS was targeting?”

There were plenty of accusations that they did, and after a bureaucrat illegally publicized Joe the Plumbers private records on Obama’s behalf, you’d think the Campaign would be sensitive to these things.

Unless the Campaign ordered the IRS to do it. It’s the only thing that would explain Obama’s lack of curiosity.

forest on May 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

First, requesting the identity of donors during the application process has never been done.

Second, singling out only profiled conservative groups–or any other ideological group–is absolutely unacceptable.

Got any other idiotic points?

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

She still gets to ride on the coolest ship of the Hollywooders though, the Plan B.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/8041537045_190dda6f45_b.jpg

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Can he really get away with that EG?

Will the lsm finally do something

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

I don’t know..
Last year I would say sure he would get away with it..
But now..
There are too many gremlins running around loose..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Mike Barnicle now lamenting on Morning Joe that the scandals will harm Obama’s second-term agenda.

How sad.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

That the rat-eared coward has a second term? Sad indeed.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM

The NAÏVETÉ of Obama supporters is something to behold…

*Blech*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Don’t worry, the GOP is already assuring their friends in the media that Obama had nothing to do with any of this and is off limits. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/scandal-politics-sweep-capitol-hill-91297.html

Top GOP sources acknowledge that it’s highly unlikely the White House was directly involved in the IRS mess…

Doomberg on May 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Don’t blame Mr…just found out about it
-dear leader

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

The Obama Years: The Sgt. Schultz Presidency.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM

This is what tyranny of big bloated government looks like. We are getting closer and closer to the tipping point. I lived in a “Socialist Paradise” in which the nation’s citizens were subjected to possible mysterious disappearances at any time.

Our Dear Leader needs to be removed from office by whatever means necessary.

electricfunksandwich on May 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Lock ten Obama voters in a room and ask each one of them what they thought an Obama presidency would look like..
Each would have a different answer but none of them would have thought Scandals..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Your rank-and-file Obama voter doesn’t care about the scandals so long as they get their “free stuff.” Religious freedom doesn’t matter so long as sluts can get somebody to pay for contraception. Benghazi doesn’t matter to the gays. The AP scandal does not matter to those who only want amnesty.

The left truly is that selfish and ignorant. Just look at our resident concern trolls.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

it still leaves the question of why Shulman never bothered to let anyone know about it, even as a private citizen.

Doyathink he knew what Emperor Zero is capable of? Is it fair to say that many people have private matters they want to keep private and that Zero has a penchant for publicizing them?

dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

A questionnaire?!? Heavens to murgatroid snaggle puss! Whatever shall we do!! White privilege is hilarious. The victims of stop n frisk, the MOVE bombing, and COINTELPRO are laughing their ass off. At least those of them who the government hasn’t killed.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

The Obama Years: The Sgt. Schultz Presidency.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Except for that brief period when he personally “got” OBL.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

First, requesting the identity of donors during the application process has never been done.

Second, singling out only profiled conservative groups–or any other ideological group–is absolutely unacceptable.

Got any other idiotic points?

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Have you never seen lfod?

It’s chock full of nothing *but* idiotic points.

Midas on May 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

There is no need for Our Dear Leader to be directly involved. The process of plausible deniability has been used to shield this criminal from discovery.

Without any doubts whatsoever, this charlatan has now clearly become a danger to our constitutional republic.

electricfunksandwich on May 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men.

- Samuel Adams

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Top GOP sources acknowledge that it’s highly unlikely the White House was directly involved in the IRS mess…
Doomberg on May 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Even if it was, you’ll never find the evidence. Obama comes out of the corrupt Daley machine. No one’s ever pinned anything on the Daleys.

Chicago Dem underlings go to jail or, in a few cases, “commit suicide” after being indicted, but no one snitches on the Daleys. Not even Blago. Blago’s family was not living on welfare, last I saw.

Jarrett will make sure that there is no trail to Obama or the WH, even if she has to send someone to live in the Caribbean next door to Vera Baker.

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

When you’ve lost Boston…

Obama knee-deep in Nixon-esque scandal

“President Obama’s second-term campaign slogan was “Forward,” but instead we’ve got cover-ups, congressional investigations and the government persecution of political opponents and reporters.

That sounds like “backward” to me. All the way to, say, 1972.

Who would have guessed that just a few months into his second term, President Obama would be compared to Tricky Dick. And by a liberal Massachusetts Democrat — U.S. Rep. Michael Capuano.

Republicans could not even have scripted this one. The agency most hated by voters, the Internal Revenue Service, admits to going on a Nixonian witch hunt against Tea Party and conservative groups during the re-election campaign.

This is a story even the most partisan Massachusetts liberal cannot defend. It’s so bad that even Ed Markey is calling for heads to roll.

Now we learn that the Justice Department has secretly obtained the phone records of Associated Press reporters and editors in what appears to be an investigation of an AP story that disclosed details of a CIA operation that stopped a terrorist attack…

Going after the Tea Party is one thing, but the media? What an outrage. Who knows, the press may get so mad they won’t laugh at Obama’s jokes during the next White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

This does not bode well for Obama’s second-term agenda. He already had lost a vote over gun control, and the Benghazi hearings didn’t go so well, either.

The focus for the next few months will be on the investigation and likely cover-up of the IRS effort to get dirt on Obama’s political opponents. The initial explanation — that it was the handiwork of just a few rogue IRS workers — sounds about as plausible as blaming the Benghazi attacks on an anti-Muslim video.

Voters should demand to know who was responsible for the IRS witch hunt. If anyone in the White House or Obama campaign was aware of it, then the Richard Nixon and Watergate comparisons will be eerily accurate. It was Nixon, after all, who invented the “enemies list,” and it looks as if someone in the Obama administration’s IRS came up with one.

The disclosures might even trigger a resurgence for the Tea Party movement, which suffered some setbacks in the last election. U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), one of the Tea Party candidates who won, could get a boost all the way to the GOP presidential nomination.

So enjoy the next few months, President Obama. It’s not time yet to get Marine One revved up on the White House lawn, but if you start talking to portraits of dead presidents, then it’s time to get worried.”

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/joe_battenfeld/2013/05/obama_knee_deep_in_nixon_esque_scandal

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Have you ever heard the saying that starts off something like, “First they came for [insert group of choice here] and I did nothing. . ..”?

Don’t be so smug little fascist. You never know when the same tactics will be used on you and yours.

totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

You really are a race baiting POS!

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Arrrgghh doomberg
The squishy gop will screw us

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Your ignorance shows…every time you post.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Awful lot of rogue lone wolves out there. /

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Your ignorance shows…every time you post.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

I bet he thinks Gosnell is just another black man railroaded by a jury.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM

You really are a race baiting POS!

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Why do documented facts and history make you so angry? Is it because the history of the government’s harassment of black political groups and black citizens is so much more egregious that it makes the 24 hour media bonanza and your outrage about the IRS ending some white conservatives a questionnaire look absolutely ridiculous?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Seek help.

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:32 AM

25 years ago yesterday, the government targeted a black political organization….with a bunker bomb killing 11 people including five children and burning down 65 homes. No one involved in the bombing was ever prosecuted. So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Run out of talking points? Left to your own devices now?

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

25 years ago yesterday, the government targeted a black political organization….with a bunker bomb killing 11 people including five children and burning down 65 homes. No one involved in the bombing was ever prosecuted. So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

You’re spraying like a cat in heat.

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

I hope this stuff keeps coming…

I want this POSPOTUS to get to the point that him poking a sharp stick in his eye is the only thing that will hurt less.

SteveInRTP on May 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Got any other idiotic points?

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

The idiot liar is applauding this.

No logic will change his uber-partisan little mind.

Just save the quote for when some lefty outfit is targeted.

Normal people would be just as outraged.

The left is not normal.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

In other words, because it happened in the past (and eventually got corrected), we should ignore this IRS scandal today, right? Of course, if OWS were treated like is being described, you’d be screaming your head off.

If it was bad then, it’s just as bad now. Skin tone isn’t a factor here, despite how you want to make it one. I, for one, reject your entire premise; I consider it invalid from the start.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

You really are ignorant, This is about gubmint tyranny not color of skin…but i guess when your a Racist like you issues and facts don’t matter.

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM

A questionnaire?!? Heavens to murgatroid snaggle puss! Whatever shall we do!! White privilege is hilarious. The victims of stop n frisk, the MOVE bombing, and COINTELPRO are laughing their ass off. At least those of them who the government hasn’t killed.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

What the hell are you babbling about? I know all of this must be very upsetting to you, but get a grip man.

RadClown on May 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Is it because the history of the government’s harassment of black political groups and black citizens is so much more egregious that it makes the 24 hour media bonanza and your outrage about the IRS ending some white conservatives a questionnaire look absolutely ridiculous?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

What does this even mean?

esr1951 on May 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen…a racially-motivated thread-jacking is now in progress. Please remain in your seats…and try not to laugh hysterically. The individual attempting this is an individual who has made their living in academia, apart from actual reality, and is therefore to be pitied, and is as much a victim of the system which advanced them through academia without being qualified, as they claim to be a victim of American Society at large.

Same as it ever was…

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Just reject the troll’s entire premise, and you don’t have any further reason to debate him. We can talk amongst ourselves without him involved in the conversation.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

You’re spraying like a cat in heat.

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Seek help.

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Your ignorance shows…every time you post.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:25 AM

You really are a race baiting POS!

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Not a single substantive response to the fact that conservative outrage far outstrips this level of state “harassment” that other non-white political groups have experienced. Oh wait, because there is no response possible, facts are facts.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

25 years ago yesterday, the government targeted a black political organization….with a bunker bomb killing 11 people including five children and burning down 65 homes. No one involved in the bombing was ever prosecuted. So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

I’ve lived in Philly for 40 years.

The mayor ordered the bombing.

Black mayor (Wilson Goode) ordered the bombing of black people.

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

First black mayor o.k.s first aerial assault of black terrorist group.
Coincidence?…I don’t think so.

*liberal logic and facts*

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

In other words, because it happened in the past (and eventually got corrected), we should ignore this IRS scandal today, right? Of course, if OWS were treated like is being described, you’d be screaming your head off.

They were. And the right cheered.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/14-specific-allegations-of-nypd-brutality-during-occupy-wall-street/260295/

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

As the past week shows, the trolls like to fish here. And the fishing is good.

The powers that be here, encourage them. And those who go for the bait, give the trolls their satisfaction.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/inq_HT_MOVE25.html

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

I grew up here in philly and beleive me they were not targeted…and they deserved everything they got…even the white ones…oh and BTW the mayor at the time who gave the order….was …that’s right you guessed it…african american…Wilso Good…

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:39 AM

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Exactly. It’s all about the numbers.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Not a single substantive response to the fact that conservative outrage far outstrips this level of state “harassment” that other non-white political groups have experienced.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

How many logical fallacies can a liberal stuff into a single sentence?

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen…a racially-motivated thread-jacking is now in progress. Please remain in your seats…and try not to laugh hysterically. The individual attempting this is an individual who has made their living in academia, apart from actual reality, and is therefore to be pitied, and is as much a victim of the system which advanced them through academia without being qualified, as they claim to be a victim of American Society at large.

Same as it ever was…

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

ZIIING!!! +100

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:41 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

NYPD is not the IRS.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Just reject the troll’s entire premise, and you don’t have any further reason to debate him. We can talk amongst ourselves without him involved in the conversation.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

That’s what I have been tryin’ to get across for a while.

I reply to those who have been sucked in by the trolls, not the scumbag lying idiot trolls.

It seems that some folks here enjoy beating their heads against a brick wall.

Castigate, berate, or laugh at the trolls. When you debate the lying troll, the lying troll wins.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

First black mayor o.k.s first aerial assault of black terrorist group.
Coincidence?…I don’t think so.

*liberal logic and facts*

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Not just terrorist groups. Mrs. Wilson Goode used to come into the emergency room with the crap beaten out of her. Cops would later come by and tell the ER staff to shred all the records. The War on Women started early here.

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

This just gets better and better.

gophergirl on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

As things continue to swirl down the porcelain receptacle for the Obama Administration, Trolls like the perfesser will get more brazen in their attempts to threadjack, by blaming deserved condemnation of The Lightbringer on RAAACIIISM.

As this thread shows…

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Allegations are not facts. They are allegations.
You’re almost too intellectually weak to bother with.
Seek help.

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Anyone else feel like Valerie Jarrett is involved in this?

shollen on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Not a single substantive response to the fact that conservative outrage far outstrips this level of state “harassment” that other non-white political groups have experienced. Oh wait, because there is no response possible, facts are facts.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Just keep repeating this line to yourself

“We shall overcome”

I figured you could use some help with your satiricle performance
art….

ToddPA on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Ellison brings up citizen united…blames them on irs doings

Idiot

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Really?

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

How many logical fallacies can a liberal stuff into a single sentence?

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

That depends on how long the liberal gibbers.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

I grew up here in philly and beleive me they were not targeted…and they deserved everything they got…

Really? The dead children deserved to be fire bombed by their government? And this proves my point exactly.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

The Leftists are going to put The Onion out of business, I’m telling you:

The woman in charge of the IRS division responsible for reviewing tax-exempt status applications and who is at the heart of an ongoing scandal over revelations the agency targeted conservative groups is set to receive an honorary tribute from Western New England University School of Law on Saturday.

Lois Lerner – director for the IRS Exempt Organization Division – is slated to deliver the school’s commencement address and be given the university’s “President’s Medallion.”

Established in 2002, the award is “bestowed upon those who have distinguished themselves in a particular field or in service to an important cause that has benefited society locally, regionally, nationally, or internationally,” the college’s website states.

visions on May 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

In other words, because it happened in the past (and eventually got corrected), we should ignore this IRS scandal today, right? Of course, if OWS were treated like is being described, you’d be screaming your head off.

They were. And the right cheered.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/14-specific-allegations-of-nypd-brutality-during-occupy-wall-street/260295/

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

HAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!!

You’re PRICELESS!!

So people setting up for businesses being targeted by the IRS to exercise their constitutional right to petition the government are equal to people defecating in parks, raping individuals, and squatting on government land!?!?

HAHAHAHAAA!!!!

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

NYPD is not the IRS.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Oh so only certain government agencies can rob citizens of their rights?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Those who think this is no big deal- you know who you are- should call up the WaPo, et al. and tell them. They seem to think it is.

Bat Chain Puller on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Really? The dead children deserved to be fire bombed by their government? And this proves my point exactly.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

No, they did not. and it only proves that your a full blown racist…

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:48 AM

So people setting up for businesses being targeted by the IRS to exercise their constitutional right to petition the government are equal to people defecating in parks, raping individuals, and squatting on government land!?!?

HAHAHAHAAA!!!!

itsspideyman on May 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Far more sexual assaults, public defecation/urination and drug use occurs under the auspices of frat parties all across this nation, I don’t see the police busting heads. The state targeted OWS because (despite its numerous flaws) it critiqued capital. The state targeted MOVE and Dr. King and the NAACP, CORE, SNCC and the SCLC because they critiqued institutional oppression. The IRS got sent a questionnaire.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

POTUS lies to the American people and challenges American media to do something about it…here at WaPo.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, if you look out the window to your left, you will see a young academian, jumping up and down, waving their arms frantically, trying to divert your attention from the scandals currently befalling their chosen messiah, in a manner reminiscent of a child walking up to the adult table at Thankgiving, attempting to interrupt the adults’ conversation.

Please carry on with what you are doing, and pay them no mind.They have no substantive points to contribute to the subject of thread, namely the unconstitutional behavior of an out-of-control Administration.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Ellison brings up citizen united…blames them on irs doings

Idiot

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

That’s after Pelosi mentioned it yesterday, which means this has to be coordinated. They’re delusional if this is their talking point. It makes it sound like they’re defending the IRS’s actions as some sort of attempt to even the scales between conservative and liberal groups after the Citizens United decision. That’s not the job of the IRS, Dems.

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Whatever happened to trollcots? Ruined threads like this one is why I don’t stick around much.

SteveInRTP on May 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Is it because the history of the government’s harassment of black political groups and black citizens is so much more egregious that it makes the 24 hour media bonanza and your outrage about the IRS ending some white conservatives a questionnaire look absolutely ridiculous?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Want a substantive fact: America elected twice its first Black president. STOP the race-baiting.

hillsoftx on May 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

You are not capable of commenting on a subject without bringing race in to it,
you are not worth
any more of my time …..Troll.

SHARPTOOTH on May 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I’ve always wondered how much OFA pays the trolls on HA…

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, if you look out the window to your left, you will see a young academian, jumping up and down, waving their arms frantically, trying to divert your attention from the scandals currently befalling their chosen messiah, in a manner reminiscent of a child walking up to the adult table at Thankgiving, attempting to interrupt the adults’ conversation.

Please carry on with what you are doing, and pay them no mind.They have no substantive points to contribute to the subject of thread, namely the unconstitutional behavior of an out-of-control Administration.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

+1

hillsoftx on May 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM

…in a manner reminiscent of a child walking up to the adult table at Thankgiving, attempting to interrupt the adults’ conversation.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

“Mommy!”

“Mommy!”

“Mommy!”

“Mommy!”

“Mommy!”

“Mom!”

“Mom!”

“Mom!”

“Mommy!”

“Mommy!”

“Ma!”

“Mom!”

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– Stewie Griffon

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM

IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

Wait, why is this a problem?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Simple. It’s called the Constitution.

Suppose a Government troll finds commenter with moniker libfreeordie…because this indicates potential political opposition matchups list of terms on the watchlist (You have now been identified as someone worthy of special scrutiny)

Next the IRS,DOJ, whatever agency decides to pay special attention to you…ask you to provide information on your associations, activities etc.

Do you get the picture now?

The IRS gave the donor information,and Application information to the political opponent groups of the conservative groups they had under special scrutiny.

Do you get the picture now?

American Citizens involved in these activist organizations live in legitimate fear of their government…fear for their property,savings,jobs,friends & family and their liberty.

Do you get the picture now?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration ­(TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.

Getting into overdrive just as the GOP primary season was ending. What a coincidence.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM

How come you can teach Alinsky, but you can’t teach the Constitution without IRS getting on your back?

petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Do you get the picture now?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM

No, his job is to bait you. He is a master baiter. Just look at all the folks here who help him gratify himself.

cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

So excuse me if this IRS questionnaire doesn’t quite register.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

From the Daily Mail. This was not the simple form that you are suggesting in your insane rants.

The Internal Revenue Service wrote to the Richmond Tea Party last year demanding to know the names of all its financial donors and volunteers, as part of a 55-question inquisition into its application for tax-exempt status, MailOnline has learned.

The agency wanted to know ‘the names of the donors, contributors, and grantors’ for every year ‘from inception to the present.’
It also demanded ‘the amounts of each of the donations, contributions, and grants and the dates you received them.’
‘How did you use these donations, contributions, and grants?’ the IRS asked. ‘Provide the details.’

And in addition to the names of board members, officers and employees, the nation’s taxing authorities insisted on knowing the names of everyone who helped the Richmond Tea Party without compensation.
‘Please identify your volunteers,’ the January 9, 2012 letter from the IRS read.
The agency also required the Virginia conservative group to provide copies of sections of its website that only its members can access.

And please stop conflating a city government with the federal government in such a way to suggest that the feds were “firebombing” Philly and roughing up OWS parasites. It is intellectually dishonest and absolutely ridiculous.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM

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