Report: EPA followed double standard for conservative groups too?

posted at 12:01 pm on May 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Don’t worry. The media will be all over this two years from now, when the head of the EPA finally comes clean.

Time to add one more to the scandal scorecard?

FOIA is clear that public interest groups who, by trade, obtain and broadly disseminate “government” information to the public are the intended beneficiaries of its provision for waiving fees. EPA routinely grants such fee waivers to its favored left-wing groups who demand a more intrusive and powerful EPA, but systematically denies waivers for groups on the right, according to research compiled by CEI Senior Fellow Christopher Horner, author of “The Liberal War on Transparency.”

In a review of letters granting or denying fee waivers granted at the “initial determination” stage from January 2012 to this Spring, Horner found green groups, such as the National Resources Defense Council, Sierra Club, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility and EarthJustice, had their fees waived in 75 out of 82 cases. Meanwhile, EPA effectively or expressly denied Horner’s request for fee waivers in 14 of 15 FOIA requests over this same time.1

Moreover, every denial Horner appealed was overturned. “That these denials are ritually overturned on appeal, not after I presented any new evidence or made any new point, but simply restated what was a detailed and heavily sourced legal document to begin with, reaffirms the illegitimacy of these hurdles EPA places in the way of those who cause it problems.” Horner said. “EPA’s practice is to take care of its friends and impose ridiculous obstacles to deny problematic parties’ requests for information.”

Green groups had their FOIA fees waived 92 percent of the time, CEI had its waiver requests denied 93 percent of the time. Does that sound familiar? Per Lachlan Markay, it should: Last year, the Daily Caller reported that the FCC had an odd habit of rejecting conservative groups’ FOIA requests while granting similar requests made by pro-net neutrality groups. At Reason, Mike Riggs remembers yet another example, of DHS routing FOIA requests through political appointees for a year beginning in 2009 (“If the request came from Congress, career employees were expected to alert political appointees to the party affiliation of the office making the request”) before questions about the practice led them to discontinue it.

So much for freedom of information. Meanwhile, according to Brandon Darby, at least one conservative group targeted by the IRS for special scrutiny in its 501(c)(4) application suddenly started getting attention from other federal agencies too. That’s the next question in this clusterfark: Did the IRS share information with other arms of the government? If they’d leak to a news outlet, why wouldn’t they leak to the FBI?

True the Vote, a Houston-based nonprofit which focuses on election integrity issues, was formed by Catherine Engelbrecht and her King Street Patriots Tea Party group. True the Vote applied to the IRS for their 501(c3) non-profit status in July 2010, and almost immediately their problems began.

Within two years, multiple federal agencies, along with an EPA-affiliated Texas state agency, began auditing True the Vote and its founders, visiting their group, their businesses, and asking questions of people who knew them. The IRS was not the only governmental agency involved…

Engelbrecht’s application with the IRS for non-profit status allegedly triggered aggressive audits of one of her family’s personal businesses as well. The FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) began a series of inquiries about her and her group; the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) began demanding to see her family’s firearms in surprise audits of her and her husband’s small gun dealership–which had done less than $200 in sales; OSHA (Occupational Safety Hazards Administration) began a surprise audit of their small family manufacturing business; and the EPA-affiliated TCEQ (Texas Commission on Environment Quality) did a surprise visit and audit due to “a complaint being called in.”

Worth a look from the press? Probably not, no.

Let me speak a language here that Obama can understand: I want to know what the “permission structure” was for the IRS and EPA in creating double standards for conservative groups. Remember when O used that term at his presser last week to explain how he was going to get Republicans to cooperate with him? I’m more interested in the “permission structure” by which federal agencies start singling out the president’s ideological opponents for special scrutiny, whether or not he’s handing down direct orders. Ross Douthat had a theory about that. Let’s hear more.


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Oh, and if the Republicans were smart, which they aren’t, they’d be moving to weaken all of these out of control government organizations.

Submit a national sales tax proposal – tied to eliminating the IRS – NOW. Make Obama defend the IRS.

18-1 on May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM

EPA might be construed as an anti-business agency (as it has become) which just happens to fit in well with a “take down capitalism” agenda, but the left wouldn’t want to do that, would they?

Don L on May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM

It must be check-the-temperature of the US time, in all seriousness.

Bishop, in the last few days, has been the usual magnificent snarkmeister, but has also posted very serious comments.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM

How do they hide the decline now?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Awwwww.

Well, in a Target Rich environment, fire when ready…..

..shooting Wildly?? No, I think they’re hitting their targets
quite nicely…but thanks for your concern….

ToddPA on May 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Interestingly, bayam was starting in on that line, too – the “conservatives playing themselves as victims” approach. New talking points?

Yep, you can see the lefty drones cutting and pasting all over the internet.

It is half “conservatives are playing victims” and half “of course they should be investigated and stymied…they oppose the government!!!!”

That those two points are in opposition are no problem for the left…

18-1 on May 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

What was the scenario when certain owners of auto dealerships were having their dealership yanked and others weren’t?

I believe there was discussion about the nature of the ones getting hammered along these same political lines as well.

Midas on May 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Well I guess that’ll it depend on whether conservatives see it as different scandals.
I fully support/agree with the concern and outrage over the IRS news. But conservatives (you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’) have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.
Let’s see if these are indeed treated as different ‘scandals’ – or if it’s Repubs & conservatives that treat as one scandal…the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

There IS a bigger problem coming into view at the moment.
Given the recent news, especially the IRS bit and now the EPA potential problem.

It seems to me that an environment exists in which dumping on conservative or Republican groups is, or has been, an acceptable practice in government agencies. This is wrong. “Equal Protection” comes to mind.
That these agencies acted with such blatant disregard for fairness should raise the hackles of ALL Americans.

Jabberwock on May 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

NOAA? It would be global warming related.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

No, aiming tornadoes at conservative, flyover country. Of course, they would blame it on global warming, so… you’re right!

So your scandal in this case is democracy.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Your point? That democracy (really our republic) was adulterated by unconstitutional things like Welfare and Medicare and Social Security? That when the very basis for a republic – a moral, self-sufficient people – was undermined by the left, it would go down the tubes? That the Founding Fathers were right to restrict the power of government because men are inherently corrupt? Sure, I’ll agree with that.

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

It’s funny that the press is just now coming to accept that the Obama White House is an authoritarian regime bent on politicizing every portion of the government.

Being kicked off of the campaign plane (later Air Farce One) and locked in the broom closet didn’t bring this revelation to the “reporters”. THey just loved being abused by Barky.

Does anyone remember that story about the douchy hipsters trying to use the NEA to promote Obama’s agenda? What was that, four years ago? The point is this sort of behavior comes naturally to Obama and his cohorts.

EricW on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Yep. That was some twisted stuff. Illegal too. Impeachable. But, just one of more than 70 impeachable acts Barky has committed since sliming into office, so no big deal.

As sickening as the NEA propaganda push (which also happened later with BarkyCare and other agencies) was, it came amid all those truly demented public school prayers and pathetic songs to the dog-god Barky, too. Signs of a sick, sick society have been everywhere and always for the past 4+ years.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?

Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Well, if Obama loosed the IRS stuff deliberately to deflect from the big Behghazi/arms to rebels story, it would stand to reason thaat his troll army would go soft on defending the IRS deflection.

Don L on May 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Have to say the creeping journolista paranoia is highly entertaining to watch…almost as fun as Il Duce’s flop sweat…

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Oh, and if the Republicans were smart, which they aren’t, they’d be moving to weaken all of these out of control government organizations.

Submit a national sales tax proposal – tied to eliminating the IRS – NOW. Make Obama defend the IRS.

18-1 on May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM

*This*

Midas on May 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM

“I actually know at least five government agencies which use the acronym EPA.”

-Jay Cornball

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

LOL. I forgot all about that White House visitors pack of lies. So long ago. So many scandals ago …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM

EPA might be construed as an anti-business agency (as it has become) which just happens to fit in well with a “take down capitalism” agenda, but the left wouldn’t want to do that, would they?

Don L on May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM

EPA has also interfered many times since the 80s with private property.There are cases of people who bought cheap land, to build a home and maybe have a small business on their property. Then along the comes the EPA to declare it a wetland or they find some sub-species of a subspecies of ant, and declare development illegal. Instantly, the land is made worthless and the buyers lose their money; no allowance is made for recompense under the Constitution for what is essentially seizure of private property for public use.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Benghazi must be really bad…

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Verbs Out Of Balance

Your take on http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

Climate Change, Global Warming, CO2 killing us all and all that?

As the above big three are the base of most of the EPA rules and regs now is it possible the EPA’s work is basd on lies and fraud?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Well, if Obama loosed the IRS stuff deliberately to deflect from the big Behghazi/arms to rebels story, it would stand to reason thaat his troll army would go soft on defending the IRS deflection.

Don L on May 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Problem is, if that was a strategy, it backfires. The population at large won’t be affected by Libyan terrorists in Benghazi. But here at home, with such a powerful organization as the IRS, the question becomes for everyone, “How close are they watching me?”

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Thanks again to all those who stayed home in November because “electing Romney was no better than reelecting Obama.”

cicerone on May 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Can’t wait for tomorrow! There has got to be a juicy sex scandal on the horizon.

lynncgb on May 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Here’s a thought about the trolls it is well PAST time for the Hot Air editors to address: …

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I honestly don’t think they’re trolls. A troll doesn’t believe what he’s saying; he’s just saying it for the reaction.

People are very good at deluding themselves, especially those people who run on emotion rather than logic. That, and an “ends justify the means” mentality can very quickly turn a person into Winston who truly sees five fingers rather than four. When I first read that, in my immaturity, I was rather dismissive of the idea. But it’s true, not that people literally hallucinate, but people compartmentalize and believe contradictory things.

Fenris on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I have no idea if it’s a talking point. But it’s been a view of mine for a while. I’m nsure shared by many…as it’s foundational to so much of what one hears from cons these days.
BUT…as I’ve said, on this IRS deal…I believe the victims.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM

“But quit picking on my hero.”

davidk on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

If the shoe were on the other side you’d go apoplectic. You should fight for liberty and freedom, for all, alas.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

With this side,with the other side, with any side…
I don’t believe all of it, and I don’t believe none of it.
I’m selective for sure.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Can’t wait for tomorrow! There has got to be a juicy sex scandal on the horizon.

If Obama has anything on a national Republican expect it to come out now.

Hell, I expect to hear something about Bush any moment now…

18-1 on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

The EPA is now out in far West Texas oil fields and there is an newly found lizard that must be protected from the new fracking and directional drilling that in fact will save the U.S. from the Oil Ticks price of oil and gas.

The guy who ran the EPA for the area has said he hates the oil and gas companies who drill ect. .

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Benghazi must be really bad…

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Probably. But we may never know.

What Federal agencies are left that are candidates for this kind of thing? I would assume that the administration has to get it all out in the open at this point, so the press can wag their tongues. Have a couple resignations or demotions. Then the Republicans can move forward with Immigration and Gun-control.

oldroy on May 14, 2013 at 12:53 PM

verbs out of balance

Are you selective on what web sites you visit, what do you think of http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

??

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Obama’s marching order to his appointees and their subordinates in every agency in the Executive Branch has been to squelch opposition and make life difficult for political opponents. The abuse of power is not found in an agency here and an agency there. The abuse of power has been tacitly if not expressly promoted by the WH throughout the Executive Branch.

Already it’s surfacing in DoJ, EPA, IRS, DoS… Now that the ice is broken, I imagine there’s more to come.

petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Plan on the NRA members, or gun joints, to be exposed next. For sure they are a target.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Can’t wait for tomorrow! There has got to be a juicy sex scandal on the horizon.

lynncgb on May 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM

You gotta get with the program! Things moving waaaaay
faster than that!

Tune in today at 3 pm for the next scandal announcement.

VALERIE JARRET accused of molesting young girls….

Hey, take a look at her…you KNOW it’s true.

ToddPA on May 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM

cat got your fingers verbs out of balance?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM

tick tock goes the response clock

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:56 PM

tick

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM

tock

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Problem is, if that was a strategy, it backfires. The population at large won’t be affected by Libyan terrorists in Benghazi. But here at home, with such a powerful organization as the IRS, the question becomes for everyone, “How close are they watching me?”

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM

That’s a very good point. Many people who ignore principle and logic are driven by self-interest and emotion. And those people are mostly Democrats; Obama would be eating into his base.

Fenris on May 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM

you have the floor, may be face down but you got the floor

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I’m selective for sure.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

If the obvious would attack, you’d be incapacitated. Find a mirror.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Facts get in the way for you often Verbs Out of Balance?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’m selective for sure.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

In the fight for freedom/liberty, there s/b no selection. YOU missed the big point.

Why a leftist is NEVER liberal, progressive or democratice, never.

You are all tyrannical thugs, who support such. Your day will come. One of us would even save your sorry azzes. We are literally that dumb in our pursuit of freedom and liberty.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM

OK,

I will make easy for you Verbs Out of Balance and for U.S..

Has Obama ever lied to the people of the U.S.A.?

It is easy if your rational.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM

ticks and tocks

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Ever watched a kid fess up immediately to stealing candy? If he does, that’s a clue that he’s actually done a lot worse that he’s hiding and is secretly relieved he’s only being charged with the relatively minor transgression.

That’s how I reacted when the Cincinnati office came out and admitted they’d done something wrong and Carney came out and said, “This is serious and we will get to the bottom of this.”

It was all too easy, too glib. Right away I was suspicious there was more to it.

And there is more. The real news is starting to dribble out that Odumbo used the IRS as a broad ideological weapon as if he were still back in Corruptcago. We’ve just seen the tip of the iceberg so far.

(Of course, none of this would be news if Prez hadn’t wiretapped AP. Hell hath no fury, you know.)

Burke on May 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

But conservatives … have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

This talking point is getting more and more play with the trolls.

It started with some MSM talking head blaming FOXnews’s coverage of Benghazi in September 2012 for the MSM’s failure to investigate and report on the story.

Those darn conservatives just overreach and that make the MSM think there is no story there. So why bother looking into anything those overreaching faux-news sources are looking into. Actual facts and their own naturally suspicious and skeptical natures are no the criteria by which the MSM identifies and newsworthy stories. Whatever FOXnews and conservatives are talking about is automatically placed in the trash basket. No need to actually look at the facts and stuff.

However, they need no facts or evidence to try to tie the Tea Party to any and every nasty bit of news they run across. Unfounded accusations and pure speculation are reported as virtual facts until proven otherwise.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM

next Verbs Out of Balance and the rest of the spin Obamas lies trolls will be calling it “swiftboating” Obama.

sad in fact the level of cult they have sunk to

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM

WH/Carney press briefing about to start on C-SPAN

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM

gee

Verbs Out Of Balance, all you have to do is follow the commie line and say that watts up with that stole the E-Mails from East Anglian U. and made it all up, that Michael Mann is the gold standard on facts.

Just do it and go to lunch on time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Of some note: Verbs Out Of Balance, you have been caught in the middle.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Well I guess that’ll it depend on whether conservatives see it as different scandals.
I fully support/agree with the concern and outrage over the IRS news. But conservatives (you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’) have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.
Let’s see if these are indeed treated as different ‘scandals’ – or if it’s Repubs & conservatives that treat as one scandal…the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I guess Obama being the chief executive doesn’t mean anything to you. And when multiple agencies he is the executive of seem to be all playing from the same playbook that means nothing either I suppose. Especially when, as the chief executive, he appoints everyone in these agencies. Where does the buck stop? And if it is an institutional problem predating this administration, why isn’t the chief executive cleaning house? Incompetence?

willful ignorance: see verbaluce

NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 1:15 PM

WH/Carney press briefing about to start on C-SPAN

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Oh yeah, that’ll clear things up. Maybe they have some artwork to blame this all on.

NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Carney
The gop is politicizing Benghazi

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I can’t figure out what the fees are for…you have to pay to get info from the EPA?

PattyJ on May 14, 2013 at 1:19 PM

BUT…as I’ve said, on this IRS deal…I believe the victims.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM

That’s a lie. If the IRS had not leaked this, in advance of an independent report that is going to expose them, you would not have believed any conservative group publicly claiming such unfair treatment.

NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM

…Where does the buck stop? And if it is an institutional problem predating this administration, why isn’t the chief executive cleaning house? Incompetence?
 
willful ignorance: see verbaluce
 
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 1:15 PM

 
Equality will happen not when a black man is elected president, but when a black man is expected to be president.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Equality will happen not when a black man is elected president, but when a black man is expected to be president.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

As long as leftists continue think they are the parents of minorities it will never happen.

NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM

As I wrote yesterday. This regime is making war on us. Zero is using every ounce of his authority to attack, crush, stop or silence anyone who opposes him.

It’s time something was done about it. He’s turning the US into Venezuela.

dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

So, per Obama’s spoke person he does not need the daily breifing, he just reads the msm hack reports for in information base.

cool guy this

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM

It seems quite possible to me that this is precisely what the Dems intended. Everything they say about anyone else is always projection. So perhaps they went completely overboard (overreached themselves) with illegal activities all over the place fully expecting that if they got caught, they could just claim the “right-wing conspiracy” is overreaching just to cause trouble, and the LSM and the low info voters would follow the line, fully believing their messiah couldn’t possibly really be doing that much wrong – and they would then get away with it all.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

The worst thing for the ‘rats is that this concerns the IRS, the governmental agency that almost every American loathes and hates.

Once the info is constantly brought forth during the 2014 campaign that BarkyCare will have heavy IRS oversight, boy howdy will there be some public noise. Dog Eater is watching his little protected world fall apart, and his signature issue will eventually die on the vine.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I was thinking the same thing but after you expressed my thought so well I began to think it better.

SparkPlug on May 14, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Can we all say “Chicago on the Potomac?”

catsandbooks on May 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM

If only

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“I actually know at least five government agencies which use the acronym EPA.”

-Jay Cornball

I can see his point. Since its that ambiguous and potentially confusing, then there should no gov’t agency with that acronym. Shut ‘em all down. There, ambiguity and confusion ended. They won’t be missed by the public, which probably didn’t know any but the one EPA even existed at all.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Can we all say “Chicago on the Potomac?”

Been sayin’ that since 2009.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM

In late 2009 my factory was paid a visit from OSHA. They didn’t find anything out of the ordinary, but did make me feel a little intimidated when they took pictures of every machine in the building, along with the manufacturer’s plates. They told me that they want to keep the pictures “on file.”

Anyway, as the head investigator was going over everything with me, she noted that one of my employees had a picture at his workstation of a pickup truck with anti-Obama stickers covering the tailgate. I asked her if that was some kind of violation and she told me it was not, but some people might find it offensive. Within in a couple of months after the OSHA visit, I was audited by the IRS and the Department of Labor. Neither found any wrong doing nor did they have any reason to suspect it. In the end, it cost me several thousand dollars in accounting and legal fees.

ReaganWasRight on May 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM

O/T, but not really…

The first rule of dealing with hucksters is to watch what their other hand is doing. While we bask in the glow of cascading revelations of bad stuff, what’s Barky’s other hand doing? What’s the status of immigration? Gun control? The debt? Deals getting made in back rooms between dems and GOPe?

I ask this honestly – it seems that all of it has dropped out of view. These are stone-cold proggies we are dealing with – even while they appear to be fighting off potentially-impeachable threats, don’t think they aren’t still simultaneously trying to advance their agenda in other directions.

bofh on May 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Post partisan administration.

mizflame98 on May 14, 2013 at 3:44 PM

O/T, but not really…

The first rule of dealing with hucksters is to watch what their other hand is doing. While we bask in the glow of cascading revelations of bad stuff, what’s Barky’s other hand doing? What’s the status of immigration? Gun control? The debt? Deals getting made in back rooms between dems and GOPe?

I ask this honestly – it seems that all of it has dropped out of view. These are stone-cold proggies we are dealing with – even while they appear to be fighting off potentially-impeachable threats, don’t think they aren’t still simultaneously trying to advance their agenda in other directions.

bofh on May 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Good point.
What is going on with all that?

Mimzey on May 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Well I guess that’ll it depend on whether conservatives see it as different scandals.
I fully support/agree with the concern and outrage over the IRS news. But conservatives (you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’) have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.
Let’s see if these are indeed treated as different ‘scandals’ – or if it’s Repubs & conservatives that treat as one scandal…the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I really want to know when enough is enough for you.
The friendship Obama has with a domestic terrorist, an admitted one, doesn’t seem to bother you.
The refusal to release any of his previous records for the public doesn’t seem to bother you.
Fast & Furious doesn’t seem to bother you.
Benghazi doesn’t seem to bother you.
This ‘IRS thing’, on the face of things, bothers you slightly. But you’re the 1st to throw your hands in the air with huge shouts of caution.
I don’t seem to recall your concern when conservative strife was happening.
Tell me, did it ever concern you Bill CLinton lied to the American people? Were you one of those people that said it didn’t matter he was diddling (you know: sticking a cigar into a young woman’s wagina) an intern in the White House?
I mean, what does it really take for you progressives to get outraged?
I mean besides your race card mongering.
Or the notion that votes cannot be bought with welfare goodies.
Fast & Furious was enough for impeachment.
Benghazi CERTAINLY is enough to resign honorably over.
Now this IRS etc crap.
I mean seriously, where oes the buck really top with this admin?
Why aren’t you ashamed of the lack of transparency of YOUR guy?
You know: the guy who told everybody how transparent he was going to be when he became POTUS?

Badger40 on May 14, 2013 at 7:19 PM

BTW, all these scandals make Abu Ghraib look like a dance at the cotillion.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Lets be clear here.

There is one man….one…..that is preventing the construction of a pipeline that has satisfied every government test known to man, provides immediate benefit to the economy through jobs, and will eventually slow the growth of the cost of energy in the US.

One man who is defying the consensus of the people and the government.

That is the definition of a dictator.

BobMbx on May 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM

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