Breaking: Holder recuses himself from DOJ investigation of AP phone records; Update: Already recused?

posted at 1:21 pm on May 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

A formal presser is coming at 1:30 ET. It was supposed to start at 1 p.m. but was pushed back for unknown reasons. Hmmmm.

Attorney General Eric Holder is recusing himself from the investigation into leaks made to The Associated Press, Fox News has learned…

The Associated Press reported Monday evening that the Department of Justice had secretly obtained phone records involving as many as 20 reporters and editors in an effort to find out who leaked confidential information to it.

It was not known if Holder authorized or even knew about the investigation.

Fox hears that he’s recusing himself because he already testified about the May 2012 leak of a foiled terror plot in Yemen that allegedly spurred the DOJ investigation into the AP’s phone records. Could it really be true, though, that Holder might not have authorized, or even known about, the investigation? Nope, not according to the DOJ’s manual for U.S. Attorneys:

The DOJ’s U.S. Attorneys’ Manual is quite clear on this point:

“The Attorney General’s authorization is normally required before the issuance of any subpoena to a member of the news media or for the telephone toll records of a member of the news media. However, in those cases where the media member or his or her representative agrees to provide the material sought and that material has been published or broadcast, the United States Attorney or the responsible Assistant Attorney General may authorize issuance of the subpoena, thereafter submitting a report to the Office of Public Affairs detailing the circumstances surrounding the issuance of the subpoena….”

Because this probe was secret, the second condition was not met, meaning that Holder’s approval was necessary.

Jay Carney is speaking at today’s White House briefing as I write this and is apparently sticking to his story from last night that the White House had no idea about the DOJ looking into the AP’s records. That’s even harder to believe than Obama claiming that he didn’t know about the IRS targeting conservative groups until Friday, even though the White House’s legal counsel knew about it weeks ago. Digging around in the media’s phone calls last year, six months before a presidential election, was a potential landmine in Obama’s path to a second term; one would think Holder and his deputies wouldn’t spring something like that as a surprise on POTUS given the game-changing consequences it might have had for his career.

Presser’s coming up. Stand by for updates.

Update: The RNC wants more than just a recusal, needless to say:

“Attorney General Eric Holder, in permitting the Justice Department to issue secret subpoenas to spy on Associated Press reporters, has trampled on the First Amendment and failed in his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution,” said Priebus in a statement.

“Because Attorney General Holder has so egregiously violated the public trust, the president should ask for his immediate resignation. If President Obama does not, the message will be unmistakable: The President of the United States believes his administration is above the Constitution and does not respect the role of a free press,” he added.

Maybe Obama’s thinking he can get away with keeping Holder if he fires a bunch of people at the IRS instead, which seems a fait accompli.

Update: Former Bush AGs Michael Mukasey and John Ashcroft say investigating national-security leaks is legitimate, but fishing for clues by sifting through phone records from dozens of reporters is … unusual:

“When it comes to national security, I think the government has every right to investigate,” Mukasey said. “People do not have a right to leak confidential government information.”

However, Mukasey noted, they have to do it with a “narrow focus.”

“The AP suggests it was a broader gathering of information that should never have been authorized,” he told Fox News. Mukasey said it would be troubling if it is found that “they [the government] were looking more broadly to discourage people to talk to reporters.”

Mark Corallo, chief spokesman for another Bush attorney general, John Ashcroft, called the secret probe “unprecedented.”

“The normal course of business is very narrow and very tailored to a particular individual’s phone records,” said Corallo, who served for three years as director of public affairs under Ashcroft. “The idea that they would do two months – grab everything – in several bureaus is truly stunning and disgraceful.”

Update: Appearing before the House Judiciary Committee tomorrow at 1 p.m.: Eric Holder. Can’t wait.

Update: CNN says Holder’s not recusing himself going forward, he had already recused himself when the original decision to subpoena the records was made.

Attorney General Eric Holder recused himself from the decision to subpoena the phone records of Associated Press reporters, a source told CNN’s Jessica Yellin on Tuesday. The approval fell to Deputy Attorney General James Cole, the source said.

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

Update: Here’s Holder’s statement:

As the Attorney General testified in June 2012, he was interviewed by the FBI in connection with the investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information,” the DOJ official said. “To avoid any potential appearance of a conflict of interest, the Attorney General recused himself from this matter. Since that time, this investigation has been conducted by the FBI under the direction of the U.S. Attorney and the supervision of the Deputy Attorney General, who has served as the Acting Attorney General overseeing this investigation. The decision to seek media toll records in this investigation was made by the Deputy Attorney General consistent with Department regulations and policies.

I’m confused. Where’s the conflict of interest that would have required Holder to recuse himself from the investigation? What exactly did the FBI interview him about?

He said this too: “Holder says that in his years as an attorney on these matters (since 1976), this leak was the most serious, or among the most serious, in terms of posing a threat to the American people.”


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Looks like I need to make a popcorn run.

aunursa on May 14, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Suggestion – We need open threads for the pressers this week. That would be fun!

Right now, Carney is just repeating what he already read off his cards.

Greyledge Gal on May 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Recusal generally means conflict.

ironbill on May 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

The Attorney General’s authorization is normally required before the issuance of any subpoena to a member of the news media or for the telephone toll records of a member of the news media. However, in those cases where the media member or his or her representative agrees to provide the material sought and that material has been published or broadcast, the United States Attorney or the responsible Assistant Attorney General may authorize issuance of the subpoena, thereafter submitting a report to the Office of Public Affairs detailing the circumstances surrounding the issuance of the subpoena….”

Because this probe was secret, the second condition was not met, meaning that Holder’s approval was necessary.

It doesn’t say “absolutely without exception”. It says “normally”. The DOJ will simply argue that this was not a normal case.

BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Breaking: Benghazi Jay is lying and obfuscating again.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Anybody calling for Holder to resign..?

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:26 PM

He’s been parroting dear leaders remarks from yesterday

Denies that no one knew about the tea party targets
That will come back to haunt him

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

The State Run Media seems to be upset about the AP wiretapping..?

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Benghazi Jay is lying and obfuscating again.

He’s such a good White House Press Secretary. Doing exactly what he was hired to do.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Why, I’m just flabbergasted at all these rogue Executive Branch employees doing all these dastardly things! The nerve! I’ll bet the president is just fit to be tied!

Bat Chain Puller on May 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Benghazi Jay wants the State Run Media to forget about Benghazi since it is nothing more than Rep politics…

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Asked for comment Obama said “I know nothing” and “Eric who”?

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

This coming from holder is almost as good as bho doing EP on F&F? Can’t have their fingerprints on crooked/illegal actions now can we?
L

letget on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Anybody calling for Holder to resign..?

A call for that would be overreaching.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Bush!

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

When will the POTUS be teeing off today..?

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Obama said he’d like to comment but he’s too busy planning tonight’s White House party.

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I have no knowledge…

\Holder\Obama\Clinton

tommer74 on May 14, 2013 at 1:30 PM

According to Benghazi Jay, the White House knows nothing and is the most isolated/insulated area of our government.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Blames gop for politicizing Benghazi
Can’t get our 2nd term agenda done because of them

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM

There are only 2 possible scenarios here with all these scandals. Either the President is complicit with them all or he is incompetent because he has no clue what is going in his administration.

Whichever scenario is true, he is not fit to be president.

BTW, I highly doubt he had no clue any of this was going on. So, that just leaves one possibility.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Truman: The Buck Stops Here!

Obama: It’s Not My Fault!

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Obama, “…if I had a brother, he would look like Eric Holder.”

Meople on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

What the he’ll? It took till 1:30 today for a breaking news and it’s not even a scandal.

phatfawzi on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I love how all these scandals that occurred BEFORE the election are now seeing the light of day.

changer1701 on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Will Benghazi Jay mention that the WH is focused on jobs like a laser?

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The White House is apparently nothing more than a mushroom greenhouse. Everyone in it is kept in the dark and fed … well, you know.

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Benghazi seems to be an area that the WH is greatly concerned about if more information comes out…this one has their attention.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Coming soon to a press conference or talk show near you! Obama’s universal I-know-nothing response:
 

“And people have to be held accountable, and it’s got to be fixed. So we’ll wait and see what exactly all the details and the facts are. But I’ve got no patience with it. I will not tolerate it.”

 
This was taken from the IRS thread. I have no doubt a similar attempt to try and separate him from this problem will occur soon, too.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I would love it if Holder would go recuse himself…

Oh wait, I thought that was a different word there. Misread. Nevermind.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Breaking Nuz: Holder to blame Rush Limbaugh for his recusal.

TXUS on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Gop side show
Gop obsession

How many times is he going to say this

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Benghazi Jay: Imagine the story on Fox if the POTUS talked to Eric Holder about this…

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

OT: Instead of worrying about silly terror attacks, Obama wants to ‘institutionalize’ (read: brainwash) the process of giving money to leftist groups (think Boston Strong) instead.

“More than anything,” Obama continued, “what I will be striving for over the next three-and-a-half years is to see if that spirit we saw in Boston and West, Texas, if we can institutionalize that. If we can create a framework where everybody’s working together and moving this country forward.”

faraway on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

“this is something the dept of justice does” just now Carney

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Update: Appearing before the House Judiciary Committee tomorrow at 1 p.m.: Eric Holder. Can’t wait.

Put his ass under oath.

BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Benghazi seems to be an area that the WH is greatly concerned about if more information comes out…this one has their attention.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I’ve been noticing the same thing. They’re really stonewalling and slamming the accusers on this one.

Add it all up, and I don’t know what it means, but we’ve got some bad a** perpetrators and they’re here to stay.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Anybody calling for Holder to resign..?

A call for that would be overreaching.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

“Because Attorney General Holder has so egregiously violated the public trust, the president should ask for his immediate resignation. If President Obama does not, the message will be unmistakable: The President of the United States believes his administration is above the Constitution and does not respect the role of a free press,” Priebus added.

happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Benghazi Jay: DOJ is on their own on this…POTUS still loves Eric Holder.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

No way DOJ did not tell the WH that this was coming.
Carney said they had no idea.

Just no way that Holder would be reusing (sp) himself w/o giving the WH a heads-up.

They simply do not care about the lie. Only about avoiding knowledge.

Jabberwock on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Gop side show
Gop obsession

How many times is he going to say this

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I’m sure it poll tested well.

It will be repeated as many times as necessary to get the LSM onboard using the terms in their reporting.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

OT: Tapper has something at CNN about a WH e-mail that puts the WH in a better light about the Benghazi talking points. It read as if Hayes from The Weekly Standard and some others were given some bogus information about whether Rhoades in the WH staff was helping to engineer the revision of the talking points. We’ll see.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Breaking: Benghazi Jay is lying and obfuscating again.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

The Obama Regime’s M.O. for dealing with scandals appears to be refuse to comment due to an “ongoing investigation”, stonewall and delay as long as possible, assign a flunky to issue a report absolving everyone important of any guilt or responsibility, and wait for enough time to pass by that it can be deemed old news.

Doughboy on May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Can’t believe they didn’t know any of this was going on

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

“There’s no Holder there.”

fogw on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

El Rushbo: AP? IRS? Anything that keeps Benghazi off the front pages is okay with Carney.

petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Tapper has something at CNN about a WH e-mail that puts the WH in a better light about the Benghazi talking points. It read as if Hayes from The Weekly Standard and some others were given some bogus information about whether Rhoades in the WH staff was helping to engineer the revision of the talking points. We’ll see.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Yeah because those e-mail thingys can’t be faked or something.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

The bombshell disclosure that the Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of Associated Press reporters and editors could be dramatic enough to move even the phlegmatic Obama administration to action. Three concurrent scandals or controversies are just too many. Could that mean we will be bidding farewell soon to Attorney General Eric Holder?

Think about it. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, CIA director David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta all were in place on Sept. 11, 2012, when four Americans were killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi. But now all of them are out of office and out of reach to be forced out for symbolic accountability purposes. And any of those departures would have been symbolic, since none of them have been held personally responsible for any failures.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

WH had no knowledge….

Yeah. I knew that when I was in the voting booth.
On the otherhand, it does support their inaction on Bengazi.

socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Wow going after jay about dang time

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Carney said the President sets “the tone… every day.” Yep, I believe he does, Jay.

itsacookbook on May 14, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Yepper happy nomad

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:40 PM

So, let me get this straight… this administration is effectively claiming that is just about as informed on what goes on internally as Warren Harding was with his administration. Time to take up poker, instead of golf, Barry.

Keeping spinning, Jay. The wheel eventually ends up on double zero.

creekspecter on May 14, 2013 at 1:40 PM

El Rushbo: AP? IRS? Anything that keeps Benghazi off the front pages is okay with Carney.

petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Benghazi is a worse scandal, but the other two may be more politically damaging.

Using the IRS to curtail free speech is a big effing deal, and plays right into the Tea Party’s hands.

Going after the AP will not sit well with the lamestream media. Look at Carl Bernstein’s reaction.

I’m fine with both of these on the front page.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Holder’s self-recusal likely means that he was at least “cognizant” of the action, even if he didn’t greenlight it personally.

My best professional guess is that he’s trying to avoid testifying under oath, because he doesn’t know exactly how much the committee has documentation on. And getting caught perjuring himself would lay him open to the choice of going to prison, or implicating The One, or both. (See “John Dean”, “John Mitchell”, et al.)

I’d say a subpoena is in order. Only this time, unlike Fast & Furious, if he refuses to obey it, send the U.S. Marshals to bring him in. In handcuffs if necessary.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Holder wasn’t too interested in the leaks of classified material to the NYT which was favorable to Barry. What’s up with that? Carney sure loks constipated, doesn’t he?

a capella on May 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

AP, the Earth is still flat.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Why wouldn’t you want to know about targets its been going on for 2 years

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:42 PM

We live in interesting times.

Bob's Kid on May 14, 2013 at 1:42 PM

What, executive privilege this time too? Not likely.

jake49 on May 14, 2013 at 1:42 PM

“There is a cancer on the Presidency”…per John Dean.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Put his ass under oath.

BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Just skip that and proceed directly to jail.

The guy is already reading all of our emails.

tetriskid on May 14, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Way to go DOJ!!!!!

Get after those low-level staffers which have been causing all of the trouble!

PackerBronco on May 14, 2013 at 1:44 PM

The State Run Media did not realize what being in bed with this administration actually meant…it’s morning for the AP and the money is on the nightstand.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

What? Me resign? These guys have no clue and will never quit voluntarily!

tomshup on May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

What does the Obama “administration” actually know then?

Besides the best hamburger joints in DC and where Andrews AFB is, not much.

NoDonkey on May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Bush would have been impeached already.

Bush would have been burned at the stake.

faraway on May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

Yeah, I know. It’s a shocker. Who could have predicted that.

Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

So who did make the decision? We’re talking about Constititutional issues here, we should know at what level the AP search was decided on and why so broad.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Gibbsy is on with Andrea…. let the spin begin
Elijah Cummings towing wh line natch

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM

These low level staffers are really a bunch of bad asses.

Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM

carney assuming the position.

a capella on May 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

Wow … even my dog doesn’t believe that and he’s pretty gullible.

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Latest update
What a crock will the lsm actually let this pass

Probably

Oooh gibbsy did not like dwar leaders tantrum

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM

The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

Just like Hussein had nothing to do with installing spyware and taking over the computers of car dealers ( A K A private citizens) during those heady days of
” Cash for clunkers”?
Remember that ?

burrata on May 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Admin very passive
-gibbsy

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Because Attorney General Holder has so egregiously violated the public trust, the president should ask for his immediate resignation. If President Obama does not, the message will be unmistakable: The President of the United States believes his administration is above the Constitution and does not respect the role of a free press,” Priebus added.

Tsk, tks, Priebus has it all wrong. Holder serves the pResident, not the public. Barry IS above the outdated and archaic Constitution and has no use for a press that does not to his every beck and call to do his bidding.

Barry respects only himself, and maybe Moochelle.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM

So apparently Obama knows absolutely nothing about what his Administration is doing.

http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2013/05/does-obama-know-anything-his-adminstration-is-doing-irs-doj-anything-video/

Gross competence or lying through the teeth? Either one demonstrates why he should not be President.

Blue Collar Todd on May 14, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Holder presser now

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

So this is the story? The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

Nice way to keep your finger prints off it and let someone else be the fall guy.

rbj on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

The White House is apparently nothing more than a mushroom greenhouse. Everyone in it is kept in the dark and fed … well, you know.

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

LOL. Well said.

txhsmom on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

even my dog doesn’t believe that and he’s pretty gullible.

Alas, your dog is evidently smarter than the average low-info Barry worshiper.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Megyn Kelly just played a clip of St. Schultz. Amusing.

Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

+1 d1carter @1:45

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

The approval fell to Deputy Attorney General James Cole, the source said.

$20 says Cole says that he delegated this authority to “unspecified, low-level career employees.”

blammm on May 14, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Holder will blame someone in short order

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Remember Tom Donilan?

a capella on May 14, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Distraction Alert

What’s next? Syrian invasion? Leak the names of some spies so they’re kidnapped?

faraway on May 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Megyn Kelly just played a clip of St. Schultz. Amusing.

Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

And now comes Eric Holder with “I don’t know.”

Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

wow, you commentators are in rare form today. I’m splittin’ a gut.

Who thought the fall of Amerikkka could be so much fun?!

kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Benghazi Jay is now cutting off questions pertaining to Benghazi…claiming the Repubs are politicing this.

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Holder will blame someone in short order

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Or say, “See? I’m on the up-and-up!”

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Holder now covering his butt on Fox News.

“Why didn’t you try to contact the AP first instead of secretly going after their phone records?

“I can’t answer that question because I recused myself.”

I’m really sick of these scoundrels.

fogw on May 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

I’ve ordered an investigation on IRS
Yeah that will go eell

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The DOJ undertook a largely unprecedented fishing expedition of reporters’ phone records to find a leak, and neither Obama nor Holder had anything to do with it?

So Hussein enjoys his Islamic Retribution Service ( IRS) leak confidential info to his people ,
but his Department of Jihad (DOJ) has a problem if confidential info about jihadies is leaked to AP ?

burrata on May 14, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The whitewash (I know, RACIST!) is on.

Ward Cleaver on May 14, 2013 at 1:57 PM

So Holder is recusing himself but is holding a presser to defend himself and his master..? Is that it?

d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Jay Carney is speaking at today’s White House briefing as I write this and is apparently sticking to his story from last night that the White House had no idea about the DOJ looking into the AP’s records.

Obama White House releases its new logo:

Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM

It seems our entire government is filled with people who don’t know anything … from Obama on down.

The know nothing administration.

darwin on May 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Distraction Alert

What’s next? Syrian invasion? Leak the names of some spies so they’re kidnapped?

faraway on May 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Hussein coming out of the closet !

burrata on May 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM

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