Breaking: Verdict reached in Gosnell trial; Update: Guilty of 1st-degree murder for 3 of 4 babies

posted at 2:26 pm on May 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Fox News and CNN are on alert as I write this:

Stand by.

Update: Like Ace, I think the fact that they were hung on two counts this morning bodes ill. If they’ve already found him guilty on the four murder counts, they wouldn’t let divisions over a lesser charge delay the verdict. If, on the other hand, they’d already found him guilty on two murder counts and are stuck on the other two, you would think the “guilty” faction would relent on the two that are undecided since they’ve already nailed him twice. The likeliest disposition is that they’ve acquitted him on two counts and are, or were, fighting over murder charges on the other two.

Needless to say, with 263 counts, they’re going to get him on something. He’ll do time. But the murder charges, for obvious reasons, are what people are interested in.

Update: In case you’ve seen the now-famous photo from the trial of a baby with its spine slit, don’t look for a verdict on that murder charge today. The judge has already dismissed it on grounds that the prosecution couldn’t prove that the baby was born alive before it was, effectively, decapitated. Perfectly legal in America to kill it in the womb and then cut its spine in half, just to be sure.

Update (Ed): From JD Mullane, a nuanced split decision on the murder charges:

Looks like the jury was really trying to get this right. Stand by for more.

Update (Ed): Also guilty of involuntary manslaughter for the death of Karnamaya Mongar, the woman who died in a late-term abortion.

Update (Ed): Last week, Kermit Gosnell was smiling and laughing in the courtroom.  Not any longer:

Update (Ed): This may seem redundant, but these charges would have allowed the jury to take a pass on 1st-degree murder convictions if so inclined:

The local NBC affiliate reports that sentencing will begin on July 15th.  They will empanel a different jury to consider the death penalty for the murder charges.

Update (Erika): …And the babies, no?

Update (Erika): NARAL‘s statement also straight-up skates over the fact that Gosnell was just convicted for the murder of three babies:

Kermit Gosnell has been found guilty and will get what he deserves. Now, let’s make sure these women are vindicated by delivering what all women deserve: access to the full range of health services including safe, high-quality and legal abortion care.


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I was thinking wife’s sister.

cptacek on May 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

That makes more sense actually in the way it is phrased.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

When it comes to the death penalty, Gosnell should be eligible for spine-snipping.

Stoic Patriot on May 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM

What? That he’s not gonna make it to the semi-finals at the Spelling Bee?

squint on May 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Armin’s never made a spelling error. Ever. Ask him.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Wow….I was wrong.

They only needed one pro-abortion juror. In Philadelphia. How tough could it be for the defense to find one?

That evidence must have been even more horrifying than I had imagined. The pro abort could have held out, no matter what, unless she couldn’t bear the reality presented by the prosecution. And she couldn’t possibly have been the only pro abort.

I just knew this guy would walk. Happy to be proven wrong. Well done, jurors.

runawayyyy on May 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

“This verdict will ensure that no woman is victimized by Kermit Gosnell ever again,” said Planned Parenthood spokesman Eric Ferrero. “This case has made clear that we must have and enforce laws that protect access to safe and legal abortion, and we must reject misguided laws that would limit women’s options and force them to seek treatment from criminals like Kermit Gosnell.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/jury-split-on-2-counts-in-trial-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell/#ixzz2TCnbwQO9

Planned Parenhood made a statement clearly stating that any laws that prevent the murder of babies born alive during extreme late term abortions must be rejected. After all, women were told to go to this legal clinic for the express purpose of having extreme late term abortions. Let no one have any doubt that this organization is about one simple thing and one thing only – killing babies for profit and convenience.

Spectreman on May 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Make the punishment fit the crime…

Maybe we should go biblical and do an eye for an eye, live by the sword, die by the sword kinda thing…

If a death sentence was done the way the murderer murdered, maybe killings would stop…

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I assume his sister-in-law’s husband is his brother?
Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I’m pretty sure his sister is his mother and his brother-in-law used to be his aunt.

viking01 on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

First, if he’s shocked and bewildered now…wait until he gets in general population

Second..well i guess the left maybe won’t be so shrill in demanding no inspections.

but, somehow, i bet their little devious minds are thinking on how to turn this into a right…that all ob/gyns Must perform Abortions, so the they can be done by professionals in a clean operating theater.

r keller on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Obviously, if the mainstream media has never reported on the types o horrors (a la Gosnell), then it is not widely known. You are playing the fool purposefully to try and salvage some idiotic point, but I have no doubt you realize what I am saying and realize that I am correct.

Let me try and parse this idiocy here. Gosnell is “exceptional” (despite not being exceptional because he’s not an exception at all according to you) entirely on the basis that the evil monolithic mainstream media has never before covered abortion in this way. Except you also maintain that this same mainstream media has not been covering Gosnell. So the one thing you’ve cited that distinguishes the Gosnell case as exceptional (mainstream media attention) doesn’t actually apply at all; Gosnell would only be “exceptional” if the media, to borrow a line from some idiot, “did its job” and engaged in wall-to-wall coverage of his trial.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Did Pennsylvania Democrat Allyson Schwartz Send Women to Gosnell’s House of Horrors?

Allyson Schwartz, the Democratic suburban Philadelphia congresswoman running for governor, was the director of the Elizabeth Blackwell Health Center, an affiliate of Planned Parenthood, from 1975 to 1988. Her time there coincided with the formative years of abortionist Kermit Gosnell’s infamous career….

With the case getting national attention, and with the congresswoman’s political profile rapidly rising, some in Philadelphia’s pro-life community have begun to wonder about Schwartz’s own relationship with Gosnell’s longtime Philly practice. Did the Blackwell Center refer late-term patients to Gosnell while Schwartz was its director? Both Schwartz’s congressional office and her gubernatorial campaign have so far failed to answer requests for on-the-record answers to these questions….

At Blackwell, the answers aren’t clear, either. The doctors there don’t perform abortions on site, but they do refer patients to abortion clinics in the area. These days, Blackwell’s policy is to provide no referrals for any patient seeking an abortion past 21 weeks of gestation. The law in Pennsylvania allows for abortions up until 24 weeks, but a Blackwell employee who answered the phone says a woman after 21 weeks would have to travel to New Jersey or Delaware to get an abortion that late. Why?

“No clinics in Pennsylvania will take patients past 21 weeks,” the employee confirmed.

Not anymore, but there was a time when at least one clinic in the Philadelphia area was performing late-term abortions on women who were past 21 weeks of gestation: Gosnell’s. Late-term abortions were his specialty, particularly for poor minority women. If a woman at 23 weeks came to Blackwell looking for an abortion, where would Blackwell refer her to if not Gosnell’s clinic?

A Planned Parenthood official denies that Blackwell ever referred mothers seeking abortions to take the 10-minute drive across town to Gosnell’s clinic, though she did not explain how she knew this.

“We have never referred to Gosnell,” said the official in an email to THE WEEKLY STANDARD. Could she confirm that going all the way back to 1972, the year Gosnell first opened his clinic? The official did not immediately respond.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I am a ghoul but somehow am unaware of it.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

FIFY.

22044 on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I’m crying right now. This is such good news and I’ve needed some of that for a long time. Those poor babies have been avenged. I don’t know what this says to the larger pro-abortion agenda but it can’t have helped it. Right now I will celebrate this win and sing praises to God.

neyney on May 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Sorry to disagree neyney, I believe those murdered have found justice today.
They have yet to be avenged.

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 3:49 PM

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

While I am pro-DP for the most part, I appreciate CT’s Pro Life consistency.
His age coupled with other factors..prob won’t meet the needle..whatever happens, the old man will suffer and he is just steps away From St Peter and God’s punishment.
Vengeance will be his,ultimately. Though we would like more justice…
This is a win for several reasons..besides his a$$ being cooked.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

jdmullane ‏@jdmullane 6m

After verdicts, #Gosnell atty McMahon requested each juror be polled. Asked if they agreed with the verdicts, each in strong voice: “Agree!”

https://twitter.com/jdmullane

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Armin’s transparent. When he knows someone as proven him wrong or made him look as stupid as he really is he falls back on things like spelling errors. This is so often the first resort of someone who has nothing and is embarrassed by their ignorance. Keep hanging your hat there Armin. You and I both know what it means.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Another fine example of that Christian socon “adult conversation” that kingjester was talking about.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I have been an Atheist probably longer than you have been alive and I am pretty sure a video of a DNC gets you wet in all the wrong places. Abortion is the religion of the devolved, subhuman.

Cute that you think you are the adult, when in fact the entire concept of children terrify pvssies like yourself, much like guns.

Why? Because they are both the ultimate mantle of responsibility and consequences which your ilk finds abhorrent in all their puerile morality. This is why your stunted kind attempts to equate owning a pet to raising a child to try and minimize the true sacrifice it requires. A pet dies and you whine for a bit but go get a quick replacement. You let a kid die and everyone sees you for the immature, narcissistic, scumbug you really are.

ClassicCon on May 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

So Gosnell is both exceptional and unexceptional at the same time, somehow. Unexceptional because what he does happens all the time, apparently, and yet exceptional because it has never before been “unveiled” to the public (except for the nonstop barrage of “sting operations” and “investigations” into abortion clinics by “undercover” pro-lifers, which apparently don’t count for much in your reasoning here). What an incredible paradox.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

It’s called the banality of evil. See, what he does is apparently “unexceptional” in his area of practice – it’s done all the time, to varying degrees of professionalism – some kill women accidentally, some kill new born children, etc. The routine.

Now, when it’s actually covered by the mainstream media, and the practices are actually demonstrated and reported on, then that coverage, that report, IS exceptional – because it is reporting something that gets no coverage normally

I’ve never seen these “stings’ or undercover video or any real detail on the abortion procedure on any main stream media source. Ever.

Saltyron on May 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Armin’s never made a spelling error. Ever. Ask him.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Spelling error my ass. You’re an illiterate retard who can barely communicate in complete sentences or spell words with more than two syllables.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I see your point and agree with it. I hope Gosnell gets the Death penalty or gets put in with the general population. Either way it will be justice.

neyney on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Please, keep talking crying.

22044 on May 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Great Info!!

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

There you go again Armin. Thanks for proving my point.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

You know, if Obama had a father, he’d look just Kermit…

hamnj7 on May 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Spelling error my ass. You’re an illiterate retard who can barely communicate in complete sentences or spell words with more than two syllables.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Time to cancel that trip to the Grammar Rodeo, I guess.

squint on May 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Now Armin pretend you live in the 1850s. Give us your rousing argument for slavery. Remember it was legal in many areas. Come on you can do it.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Enough with the straw man deflections…

Do you think snipping the spines of fetuses after leaving the womb constitutes murder?

Skywise on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I don’t understand the psychology of abortionists and rabid supporters of abortion.
Or for that matter, the mindset of the supporters of a culture of death such as Kevorkian and his advocates..
Some of it is probably a type of sexual perversion or sadism. Some of it is control freakishness taken to its logical extreme. Some of it must be just blind acceptance and the herd mentality of leftism/liberalism. But is there more? I just don’t get it.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 3:49 PM

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The death penalty is consistent with being pro-life.

“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.”
–Genesis 9:6

Those babies will certainly be avenged in the life to come, but that does not mean their murderer should not bear the weight of punishment now.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

And you are a phucking natzy commie tool…

ESAD!

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I think it might be time to investigate planned parenthood’s non-profit… Where the hell is the IRS when you need them to do their job?

Tilly on May 13, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Not going to happen. PP is not a conservative, Jewish or Tea Party organization.

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Hey, Scrumpy! You’re welcome. PP can draw back their skirts all they want to, but they’re as guilty as Gosnell.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Spelling error my ass. You’re an illiterate retard who can barely communicate in complete sentences or spell words with more than two syllables.
Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I like how my comments get moderated but Armin and the other trolls get free reign…

Skywise on May 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

First, if he’s shocked and bewildered now…wait until he gets in general population
r keller on May 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

he will never see gen pop. he will be protective custody.

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

So Gosnell is both exceptional and unexceptional at the same time, somehow. Unexceptional because what he does happens all the time, apparently, and yet exceptional because it has never before been “unveiled” to the public (except for the nonstop barrage of “sting operations” and “investigations” into abortion clinics by “undercover” pro-lifers, which apparently don’t count for much in your reasoning here). What an incredible paradox.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Everyone likes hotdogs until they see how they’re made. That’s the reason the MSM didn’t cover this trial. They didn’t want people to see what an abortion actually is.

BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

It’s called the banality of evil. See, what he does is apparently “unexceptional” in his area of practice – it’s done all the time, to varying degrees of professionalism – some kill women accidentally, some kill new born children, etc. The routine.

Now, when it’s actually covered by the mainstream media, and the practices are actually demonstrated and reported on, then that coverage, that report, IS exceptional – because it is reporting something that gets no coverage normally

I’ve never seen these “stings’ or undercover video or any real detail on the abortion procedure on any main stream media source. Ever.

Saltyron on May 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

So the “mainstream media” has been covering Gosnell, then? I’m so confused. All day, every day it’s been nonstop socon b*tching that the media has been working overtime to systematically suppress this case and yet I am now being told that the one thing that makes Gosnell exceptional is that… he’s been receiving media attention. Since that’s the case, I guess the jig is up and the pro-life revolution is gonna happen any time now, right?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Yep, live by so die by… eye for an eye etc!

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

There are dynamics of a conscience that becomes seared rather than admit wrongdoing and a willful spiritual blindness.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Not going to happen. PP is not a conservative, Jewish or Tea Party organization.

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Lets not be overly sensitive here.

PP is a cash cow for the far left. And the far left in office is a cash cow for PP.

cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Armin hates it when he gets called out. He’d rather talk about anything but realities. The guy is about as low as a human can get and has no friends. That is quite clear. Here is someone that cannot even stand up for the most innocent humans. He is just disgusting and gross. Think about it. I feel bad . Think about the thoughts in his little head when he lays his head down at night. This one is as close to evil as evil gets. He is the perfect German in Hitler’s Germany and the perfect citizen in America’s slave holding south. This one has no soul and no sense of right and wrong. There is a mental illness obviously at play. He’s been called out and he knows it.

The cherry on top is that this story will change so minds to Armin’s dismay. Poor chap. Babies live and he goes asleep at night alone…whether someone is with him or not.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Thx.
I am not going to get into any debate on this
but..wtf goes out at 5-6 mnths preg and gets an abortion? That just effs my head..how the patients he had willingly went there and didn’t give it a thought. To me..they are just as effing sick.
Anyone I ever knew who had one-first trimester..
I didnt even know they were pregnant.

You follow this topic in detail..how often (stat) are women having late term abortions..and what is the reasoning? If you know.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

You know, if Obama had a father, he’d look just Kermit…

hamnj7 on May 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

If Gosnell had a son, he’s look like Armin.

22044 on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Do you even read and comprehend what is being said?

Damn you are a pathetic tool… phucking natzy…

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

The death penalty is consistent with being pro-life.

“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.”
–Genesis 9:6

Those babies will certainly be avenged in the life to come, but that does not mean their murderer should not bear the weight of punishment now.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I once quoted that to an anti-death penalty liberal. She said, “It must mean something else.”

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Stop feeding the troll, people. He’s here only to piss off others.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Epic Race Card Fail in Philadelphia!

#ThankYouGosnellJury

Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Some day Gosnell will be sharing a room with Barack Obama, Kathleen Sebelius and a bunch of fake Catholics with names like Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy and Kerry.

bw222 on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

B9 thank you … I AM pro DP … I am evolving mostly cuz it takes too long
and with all the tax payer supported appeals too expensive …
and as a former DOC employee … it helps people keep jobs :D

convicted em … life w/o parole … they want to appeal .. it is on their dime not mine …

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

So the “mainstream media” has been covering Gosnell, then? I’m so confused. All day, every day it’s been nonstop socon b*tching that the media has been working overtime to systematically suppress this case and yet I am now being told that the one thing that makes Gosnell exceptional is that… he’s been receiving media attention. Since that’s the case, I guess the jig is up and the pro-life revolution is gonna happen any time now, right?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

What a dishonest post. Of course dishonest is what you are all about. Pro lifers have been working to get this story out nationally and it has worked to a degree. Now with this court’s ruling it will only go bigger. Sorry for you. More babies will live because of this.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Effs my head up too B9.

This breaks my heart…

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

The headline at Yahoo! is disgusting. It reads that Gosnell is an ‘abortion doctor‘.

Patooey!

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I would disagree. Calling him an abortion doctor, by implication, tars all abortion doctor (note that the MSM does this to us all the time). I recall some fears expressed here that the MSM would refer to him as a serial killer rather than an abortion doctor/provider. It’s good for the pro-life side of things.

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

With all due respect..
Your interpretation.
Other’s have a diff interpretation.

Just guessing that CH..is the latter.
I can’t speak for him or others I see here at HA
who are pro-life and anti-DP.

If he gets the DP-I doubt he will meet the needle.
However, that should be his sentence-imo.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM

The statements by Planned Parenthood and NARAL are just absurd. I think PETA has more credibility at this point.

changer1701 on May 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

If done well, replying to trolls can cause them to self-destruct, while I’m not playing with this particular one, it can be fun.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I guess I’m old-fashioned with my dictionaries and concepts. I haven’t looked up the word, but I don’t think ‘provides abortions’ is one of the definitions of the word ‘doctor’.

But I see your point.

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I would disagree. Calling him an abortion doctor, by implication, tars all abortion doctor (note that the MSM does this to us all the time). I recall some fears expressed here that the MSM would refer to him as a serial killer rather than an abortion doctor/provider. It’s good for the pro-life side of things.

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Yep.

Abortion doctors kill humans. All of them do.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I agree with you …. that is why I am pro DP ….
however as I stated … it takes far to long and it is far to expensive.

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

There are dynamics of a conscience that becomes seared rather than admit wrongdoing and a willful spiritual blindness.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Yes, spiritual blindness must be a given.
The overall psychology has to be very similar to that surrounding genocide- there must have been multiple forms of psychopathology that instituted and enabled the Nazi slaughters of innocents.
I’ll have to think on this some more.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

So the “mainstream media” has been covering Gosnell, then? I’m so confused. All day, every day it’s been nonstop socon b*tching that the media has been working overtime to systematically suppress this case and yet I am now being told that the one thing that makes Gosnell exceptional is that… he’s been receiving media attention. Since that’s the case, I guess the jig is up and the pro-life revolution is gonna happen any time now, right?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Much to your eternal disappointment. Creep.

runawayyyy on May 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

So the “mainstream media” has been covering Gosnell, then? I’m so confused. All day, every day it’s been nonstop socon b*tching that the media has been working overtime to systematically suppress this case and yet I am now being told that the one thing that makes Gosnell exceptional is that… he’s been receiving media attention. Since that’s the case, I guess the jig is up and the pro-life revolution is gonna happen any time now, right?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

The MSM didn’t want to cover the gory details of what happened during those aborations. If they did, they knew it would hit hard the pro-choicers and possibly signal popular support for reasonable restrictions.

Now that the trial is over, they can cover the issue in broad terms and not have to get into the true ugliness of the process.

WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I have a hard time combining “high quality” with abortion. Aren’t these the same people who think that any modicum of standards equating an abortion clinic with a medical facility is interfering with a woman’s right to chose?

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 4:42 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Sorry for the delay. I had to find the stats, and I was interrupted!

I can’t tell you the reasoning of women who have late term abortions. Having had children myself, at the point at which a pregnant woman feels the baby move, usually I think in the fourth month, it’s beyond shocking that a woman would somehow rationalize herself into having the child killed. There’s something evil at work.

As for stats, I don’t think there is no requirement for states and areas to report abortions to the CDC. The most recent available data I had from the CDC without doing a search right now is on early abortions. CDC stats lag behind the current.

The majority of abortions in 2009 took place early in gestation: 91.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation, and of the abortions performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation, 69.8% were performed at ≤ 8 weeks’ gestation. In 2009, 16.5% of all abortions were medical abortions.
Center for Disease Control and Prevention
Division of Reproductive Health, Data and Statistics

Women need to understand that their baby is being killed no matter what week of gestation the little one is in.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I guess the jig is up and the pro-life revolution is gonna happen any time now, right?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Poor Armin the fifth grader lives. What a simplistic thought process you have.

Sorry to all the fifth graders out there. My sons showed far more political and philosophical acumen at that age than Armin does now. How embarrassing.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

To make sure no “women” will be harmed.

Appalling.

Aren’t female babies considered women?

PattyJ on May 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

After verdicts, #Gosnell atty McMahon requested each juror be polled. Asked if they agreed with the verdicts, each in strong voice: “Agree!”

https://twitter.com/jdmullane

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Also, the prosecutor was apparently crying when the verdicts were being read. What a great and passionate advocate he was.

Illinidiva on May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I don’t understand the psychology of abortionists and rabid supporters of abortion.
Or for that matter, the mindset of the supporters of a culture of death such as Kevorkian and his advocates..
But is there more? I just don’t get it.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

There are some people who place little or no value on a human life. To me it seems to be a form of mental illness. But many religious folks would argue that it’s a symptom of the removal of religion from our lives. If people are nothing more than chimpanzee model 2.0, then what difference do your actions make?

But there have been people exhibiting this behavior forever, it’s not just a byproduct of secular humanism.

hawksruleva on May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

A just verdict. The jury has rightly convicted #Gosnell for his appalling crimes, ensuring no woman is victimized by him ever again.

Sure…

REP. JIM BOYD: So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief. If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?

ALISA LAPORT SNOW, THE LOBBYIST REPRESENTING THE FLORIDA ALLIANCE OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES: We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician.

REP. DANIEL DAVIS: What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?

SNOW: I do not have that information. I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.

REP. JOSE OLIVA: You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion — that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?

SNOW: That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.

OLIVA: I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?

SNOW: That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that. I would be glad to have some more conversations with you about this.

Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Stop feeding the troll, people. He’s here only to piss off others.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Do you think he is related to that OFA troll.. gumby.. from the campaign last year?

Illinidiva on May 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

ALISA LAPORT SNOW

What a namby pamby

22044 on May 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Congressmen had to help get the story out there. Any idiot who does not think this story would have been covered better had Gosnell shot the victims is simply fooling themselves.

Blackburn and Scalise Outraged by Media Cover-up of Planned Parenthood Scandal and Gosnell Murders

Washington, Apr 17 – Congressman Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and Congressman Steve Scalise (R-LA) were joined by 70 of their House colleagues today demanding national broadcast news channels ABC, NBC, and CBS stop blacking outcoverage on high-profile abortion controversies. Their letters specifically reference two instances where the media has covered up the story of Planned Parenthood lobbying in support of infanticide in the Florida State Legislature and in the ongoing murder trial of abortionist Kermit Gosnell in Philadelphia. By many accounts, the Gosnell murder trial has become one of the most notorious cases of patient abuse of mothers and children in our nation’s history.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If done well, replying to trolls can cause them to self-destruct, while I’m not playing with this particular one, it can be fun.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

The troll in particular is annoyed at the result of the trial. Subhuman trolls are worth not a jot.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Too lazy to look back. Did the troll go on all the pages?

22044 on May 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I get what your saying.
Sorry, I made an assumption.
With his age..and PA’s system.. you make a valid point.

TX and FL- we killem’ pretty quick..even then it is years later and mucho $.
I read up on PA and Death sentences. Not a good history there..

While all keep talking about Jodi effing Arias..just her defence was over a cool million..for the tax payers..the circus. Her defence team went to the Judge & tried to bar the public knowing what the tax payers cost was-for the circus show.
They lost.

I still think justice is a DP conviction on this case. Just my opinion.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Maybe we should go biblical and do an eye for an eye, live by the sword, die by the sword kinda thing…

If a death sentence was done the way the murderer murdered, maybe killings would stop…

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I say go “medieval on his @$$”.

An argument I have with my liberal sister-in-law is that the death penalty will not prevent others from murdering people.
I always tell her I am not worried about my neighbor killing me but the death penalty will sure as hell prevent a convicted murder, prone to violence, from killing me or anyone else.

I would think the verdict in this case will piss her off.
As an ex-oncology nurse she has stated she does not believe in the sanctity of human life at any stage. And of course she is a member of PETA and talks about the inhuman suffering of Animals inflected by people.
Can’t wait for the next family get together.

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

As far as the death penalty goes, I’m a Christian and that was a clear command of God. In his book Genesis In Space and Time, Francis Schaeffer wrote in reference to Gen. 9:5-6, that I quoted above,

God commands capital punishment simply because of the unique value of that which the murderer has killed. When a man is murdered, an image-bearer of God is killed.

Schaeffer goes to to emphasize that cp isn’t to be administered carelessly. Premeditated murder is carefully delineated from murder by mistake or accident. There were cities of refuge established in Israel to which people could flee until their case was heard.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Speaking of paradox, it’d be interesting watching all the folks who have supported Gosnell all this time square the circle with even PP’s guarded statement.

Even their manipulative comment is a slap in the face of people like Armin and Family who’ve apparently been gung-ho supporters of Gosnell and his behavior.

Midas on May 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Can you believe PP? –

A just verdict. The jury has rightly convicted #Gosnell for his appalling crimes, ensuring no woman is victimized by him ever again.

PP sucks and is as guilty as Gosnell in killing babies.

redguy on May 13, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I want to go back to those abortion stats for a minute because the huge majority of abortion are done at such an early gestational age. Women need to know what is happening within their body.

There’s a reason that abortionists fight informed consent laws.

Eleven years ago while giving an anesthetic for a ruptured entopic pregnancy (at eight weeks gestation), I was handed what I believe was the smallest living human ever seen. The embryonic sac was intact and transparent. Within the sac was a tiny human male swimming extremely vigorously in the amniotic fluid, while attached to the wall by the umbilical cord. This tiny human was perfectly developed, with long, tapering fingers, feet and toes. It was almost transparent, as regards the skin, and the delicate arteries and veins were prominent to the ends of the fingers. The baby was extremely alive and swam about the sac approximately one time per second, with a natural swimmer’s stroke. This tiny human did not look at all like the photos and drawings and models of embryos which I had seen, nor did it look like a few embryos I have been able to observe since then, obviously because this one was alive. When the sac was opened, the tiny human immediately lost his life and took on the appearance of what is accepted as the appearance of an embryo at this stage of life.
Paul E. Rockwell, M.D.
Director of Anesthesiology, Leonard Hospital, Troy, New York
Petition to U.S. Supreme Court, October, 1972.
Markle v. Albele, 72-56,72-730, p. 11.1

Fetal Development: First Trimester at The American Pregnancy Center

Fetal Development Pictures Slideshow: Month by Month at MedicineNet

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM

No prob..I am multi tasking..trying to finish work.
I appreciate you taking the time.
I was curious about the stats.

I have never met anyone who decided to abort
at that late gestation period.
I wish I could ask them..why..how..what.
Cannot get my head around it.
At any rate-TY.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

I don’t know any of them worth a jolt. And all they bring to the conversation is semantics, can’t even defend his position.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Until Kirsten Powers shamed them into coverage with an editorial, they were MIA. Would we could say the same for you.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM

He should die alone in a concrete cell, which will probably happen even if he does get the death penalty considering he is old.

Life in prison would be justice in my opinion. Don’t take him out like he did those children, let him rot and suffer. Choose life.

Spliff Menendez on May 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM

The jury will return May 21 to hear evidence on whether Gosnell should get the death penalty.

The same jury will return to court next week to decide if Gosnell will face the death penalty on the three counts of first-degree murder on which he was convicted.

I thought that it sounded weird that another jury was going to be empaneled. It would be HIGHLY UNUSUAL for a different jury to decide the penalty than the one that determined guilt. Both sides would have to re-litigate much of the case.

Convicted of:

3 counts of 1st degree murder

3 counts of infanticide

3 counts of conspiracy in connection with the deaths of the babies

1 count of involuntary manslaughter

16 counts of performing illegal abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy

211 counts of failing to comply with a state law that requires for a 24-hour waiting period before an abortion is performed (each count carries the possibility of up to one year in prison)

Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Armin back to his sad pathetic life. Laters.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 5:04 PM

The local NBC affiliate reports that sentencing will begin on July 15th. They will empanel a different jury to consider the death penalty for the murder charges.

Allah, please remove the above. It is incorrect as to both the date and the ‘different jury.’

Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Scrumpy on May 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM
I say go “medieval on his @$$”.

An argument I have with my liberal sister-in-law is that the death penalty will not prevent others from murdering people.
I always tell her I am not worried about my neighbor killing me but the death penalty will sure as hell prevent a convicted murder, prone to violence, from killing me or anyone else.

I would think the verdict in this case will piss her off.
As an ex-oncology nurse she has stated she does not believe in the sanctity of human life at any stage. And of course she is a member of PETA and talks about the inhuman suffering of Animals inflected by people.
Can’t wait for the next family get together.

mechkiller_k on May 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

^ MK
The DP isn’t just for deterrence purposes-which you pointed out.
In many cases it doesn’t deter murder.

As a side note..
A work associate I had..her family was anti-DP.
UNTIL..her little brother was kidnapped,raped and decapitated by a man who just had been released from prison ..for molestation.
Lets just say..they changed their minds real quick on the DP.
They attended his execution a few years back. They wanted to watch him die. For them, justice.

When it becomes personal..minds change.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Well, the Gosnell headline has been superseded on Yahoo! by such more-important headlines like Taylor Swift ‘rocking good girl/bad girl look’.

Priorities…

Pffft!

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I don’t understand the psychology of abortionists and rabid supporters of abortion.
Or for that matter, the mindset of the supporters of a culture of death such as Kevorkian and his advocates..
Some of it is probably a type of sexual perversion or sadism. Some of it is control freakishness taken to its logical extreme. Some of it must be just blind acceptance and the herd mentality of leftism/liberalism. But is there more? I just don’t get it.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

it’s what you said plus it’s the lack of personal responsibility. avoiding personal responsibility is HUGE for the left. that’s one of their biggest founding principles, honestly. it manifests itself in many issues, including abortion. acknowledging that an unborn baby is a life that should not be killed means acknowledging that pregnancy/sex has consequences. you can’t just do whatever you want in life and avoid consequences. you can’t just do whatever you want in life and demand that everything will happen in just the right way to convenience YOU, and anything (or anyone) that gets in your way must be taken away (or killed) it’s selfishness. it’s putting yourself above everyone else. the lack of personal responsibility is all about blaming everyone else but yourself. you can do no wrong. no one is allowed to tell you that you are wrong. everyone else is wrong except you.

plus it’s desensitization. once you’ve killed one person, then another, then what’s killing a few more? then it’s no problem to kill a bunch more. you get used to it!

Sachiko on May 13, 2013 at 5:13 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

How horrificly gut-wrenching beyond thinking.

The dp is about justice, whether or not anyone is deterred.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I just got back from the gym, and was watching FNC(despite the truther trash being on w/Shep) when the verdict was announced. I’ll admit-I cheered…out loud.
Though I strongly support capital punishment, I think Kermie should be sentenced to ‘life’…and put in the general prison population.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Armin back to his sad pathetic life. Laters.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 5:04 PM

.

It’s time for one of the other Kos/HuffPo shut-ins to clock in for the evening shift.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Wow! Just wow!

There is a gym in Lubbock that shows FNC instead of CNN or MSNBC…

cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I assume his sister-in-law’s husband is his brother?

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Could be the husband of his wife’s sister.

cheeflo on May 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Speaking of trolls.
Some of the ones here aren’t too awful. I’ve seen a lot worse.
Good trolls are actually pretty good for a board if they generate good discussion and get you all riled up over a topic. And of course they allow you to get all p-offed and vent by wishing horrible things on them.
They are a sign of good board health- think of them like mushrooms in your lawn.
And the rare good ones need to be fed and watered regularly- nurtured if you will.
I’d rate the HA troll population as a solid B-. They could do with a bit more sense of humor. But, all in all, not too bad.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

It’s time for one of the other Kos/HuffPo shut-ins to clock in for the evening shift.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM

And start over again from the the beginning.

They will hook some folks.

cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Though I strongly support capital punishment, I think Kermie should be sentenced to ‘life’…and put in the general prison population.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM

^^^This!!!

Kermie is probably hoping for the DP at this point…

ladyingray on May 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM

INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM

It was…
They had to live with it for years…awaiting justice.
Then when they put a stay on the DP for a couple years due to some bungle/suit ..they waited.
Crist finally lifted it.

It was beyond tragic..it changed them forever.
My associate/friend..has never been the same…nor are her parents or siblings.

Famous case here years back INC.

The sick thing…he had been just released and had a record as a predator. As they always do.
We have a big problem..

Anyway..it is about justice, it is about making sure they never ever free for any reason.

One day..I will enlighten you on a serial killer from TX that almost walked..due to a deal and the system screwing up.

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 5:25 PM

cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Each cardio machine has individual controls(w/a headset jack) so that you can ‘watch’ whatever channel you want. Hell, even the Mickey D’s ’round here have FNC on. Smart azz.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I want to go back to those abortion stats for a minute because the huge majority of abortion are done at such an early gestational age. Women need to know what is happening within their body.

There’s a reason that abortionists fight informed consent laws.

Eleven years ago while giving an anesthetic for a ruptured entopic pregnancy (at eight weeks gestation), I was handed what I believe was the smallest living human ever seen. The embryonic sac was intact and transparent. Within the sac was a tiny human male swimming extremely vigorously in the amniotic fluid, while attached to the wall by the umbilical cord. This tiny human was perfectly developed, with long, tapering fingers, feet and toes. It was almost transparent, as regards the skin, and the delicate arteries and veins were prominent to the ends of the fingers. The baby was extremely alive and swam about the sac approximately one time per second, with a natural swimmer’s stroke. This tiny human did not look at all like the photos and drawings and models of embryos which I had seen, nor did it look like a few embryos I have been able to observe since then, obviously because this one was alive. When the sac was opened, the tiny human immediately lost his life and took on the appearance of what is accepted as the appearance of an embryo at this stage of life.
Paul E. Rockwell, M.D.
Director of Anesthesiology, Leonard Hospital, Troy, New York
Petition to U.S. Supreme Court, October, 1972.
Markle v. Albele, 72-56,72-730, p. 11.1

Fetal Development: First Trimester at The American Pregnancy Center

Fetal Development Pictures Slideshow: Month by Month at MedicineNet

INC on May 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM

amazing post, thanks so much!

Sachiko on May 13, 2013 at 5:29 PM

bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I can understand never being the same (understatement). I don’t know how I missed that case. We were up in NJ and NH for 11+ years before returning to FL—maybe that’s how.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM

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