Breaking: Verdict reached in Gosnell trial; Update: Guilty of 1st-degree murder for 3 of 4 babies

posted at 2:26 pm on May 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Fox News and CNN are on alert as I write this:

Stand by.

Update: Like Ace, I think the fact that they were hung on two counts this morning bodes ill. If they’ve already found him guilty on the four murder counts, they wouldn’t let divisions over a lesser charge delay the verdict. If, on the other hand, they’d already found him guilty on two murder counts and are stuck on the other two, you would think the “guilty” faction would relent on the two that are undecided since they’ve already nailed him twice. The likeliest disposition is that they’ve acquitted him on two counts and are, or were, fighting over murder charges on the other two.

Needless to say, with 263 counts, they’re going to get him on something. He’ll do time. But the murder charges, for obvious reasons, are what people are interested in.

Update: In case you’ve seen the now-famous photo from the trial of a baby with its spine slit, don’t look for a verdict on that murder charge today. The judge has already dismissed it on grounds that the prosecution couldn’t prove that the baby was born alive before it was, effectively, decapitated. Perfectly legal in America to kill it in the womb and then cut its spine in half, just to be sure.

Update (Ed): From JD Mullane, a nuanced split decision on the murder charges:

Looks like the jury was really trying to get this right. Stand by for more.

Update (Ed): Also guilty of involuntary manslaughter for the death of Karnamaya Mongar, the woman who died in a late-term abortion.

Update (Ed): Last week, Kermit Gosnell was smiling and laughing in the courtroom.  Not any longer:

Update (Ed): This may seem redundant, but these charges would have allowed the jury to take a pass on 1st-degree murder convictions if so inclined:

The local NBC affiliate reports that sentencing will begin on July 15th.  They will empanel a different jury to consider the death penalty for the murder charges.

Update (Erika): …And the babies, no?

Update (Erika): NARAL‘s statement also straight-up skates over the fact that Gosnell was just convicted for the murder of three babies:

Kermit Gosnell has been found guilty and will get what he deserves. Now, let’s make sure these women are vindicated by delivering what all women deserve: access to the full range of health services including safe, high-quality and legal abortion care.


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msdnc–just a 30 second report on the verdict….go straight back to their talking points on the gop’s side show…

cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

C/b executed – judge

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Troll-free thread ??? LOL.

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Do we dare question the make up of the jury?
jawkneemusic on May 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I believe it was 8 men, 4 women, although I don’t think that’s what you’re asking.

lonestar1 on May 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

You were saying?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It was something along the lines that you’re still a despicable piece of crap. Something like that.

Midas on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Armin did a drive-by.

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

The death of the woman is manslaughter.

workingclass artist on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Thankful that they reached the only conclusion that any reasonable person would.

cat_owner on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

I was responding to a different poster up thread who said it was an all woman jury. Thanks for pointing out the facts.

cptacek on May 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Sorry. I hadn’t read back far enough. YW, anyway, though. ;-)

totherightofthem on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

The swine was shocked.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

HUMPBOT!

SheVee on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Reportedly, Gosnell completely shocked by this … entire defense table, too.

AWWW, so sorry.

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Still, not enough justice for the thousands of lives Gosnell snuffed out that weren’t directly considered in this case.

I hope every one of those dead children haunt that punk in his dreams every night, that he wakes up screaming in terror only to see 7 other inmates creeping into his cell for some nighttime entertainment.

Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Sounds like 4th baby verdict is guilty of manslaugter instead of 1st degree.

WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Not a shocked as those babies were.

Justice.

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Anything legal Armin would support…slavery …you name it.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Bye bye. Please take the rest of this site’s social “conservative” moron brigade with you back to RedState or whatever sh*thole you guys hang out at now.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Awwww. Word is the R’s have blocked Obama’s EPA nominee,
Gina McCarthy..you can go lick her azz crack
to Console her…..mkay?

ToddPA on May 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Just for you Armin

ToddPA on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Bring on the death penalty.

itsacookbook on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Wow. Some faith in humanity restored.

El_Terrible on May 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I know. This does restore some of it. Big win for the pro-lifers.

Illinidiva on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

This…plus, may thuja, Armin, Obama and their supporters on HA never be free from this.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

“This is an outrage” – George Tiller, in Hell.

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Reportedly, Gosnell completely shocked by this … entire defense table, too.

AWWW, so sorry.

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Much of his life was dedicated to killing babies. A few more ? Meh.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

The Horror

jake-the-goose on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Sounds like 4th baby verdict is guilty of manslaugter instead of 1st degree.

WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Don’t quote me on this. There reading all the verdicts and I might be getting them mixed up with other charges.

WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I like how a major headline post shan’t possibly displace Captain Ed’s show post that maybe 5 people will post in because it has a picture of a pretty lady on it.

That aside, I hope the monster enjoys the ass-raping and eventual murder that will befall him. Too bad the verdict will be quashed by the media before it can possibly turn into a discussion of whether abortion is murder.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Heard it reported on FNC that the testimony was that some of the Gosnell staff were playing with one of the babies before it was “aborted.”

Just unbelievable that anyone is defending this kind of behavior.

AZCoyote on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

thuja hardest hit

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Good thing the Jury didn’t act like the MSM on this case!

LurkerDood on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Good for Philadelphia jury for trying to seek justice on this monster.

workingclass artist on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Does Pennsylvania have a death penalty?

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Minehart has been careful and hardly denied the defense anything. I doubt there’ any reversible error. Hope those hundreds of victims can now rest in peace.

Wethal on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

HUMPBOT!

SheVee on May 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I’m very happy about the verdict but I don’t really think we should be rolling out the humpbot here. The whole case is too ghastly for something like that.

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’m guessing an appeal could be based on incompetent defense council. The defense rested without calling a witness.

farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

some of the Gosnell staff were playing with one of the babies before it was “aborted.”

AZCoyote on May 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Why not? The baby was less than a puppy.
/

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Will the entire MSNBC staff wear black on this day of mourning?

You and I know the entire jury will be slandered by that network as “arch-conservative Neanderthals who all want women to be executed in the public square in front of a cross.”

Myron Falwell on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Thuja’s hero done.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

This…plus, may thuja, Armin, Obama and their supporters on HA never be free from this.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Could you please name these supporters that you keep mentioning? I didn’t realize I had a fan club at Hot Air.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

The swine was shocked.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Too bad it wasn’t via “Old Sparky”.

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

It’ll be curious if this continues to get buried in the press or if it’ll suddenly make headlines as a travesty of civil rights…

I’m thinking the former…

Skywise on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Don’t quote me on this. There reading all the verdicts and I might be getting them mixed up with other charges.

From what Fox just said, the adult woman was manslaughter instead of 3rd degree murder. Haven’t heard anything about lesser charges for Baby E.

Alia on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Justice is served…

tyketto on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Will the entire MSNBC staff wear black on this day of mourning?

Myron Falwell on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

How many dead African Americans and females you have to wonder…..

those pukes will turn a blind eye to anything as long as liberals win.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Justice is served…

tyketto on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Perhaps not quite yet…

Midas on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Will the entire MSNBC staff wear black on this day of mourning?

Myron Falwell on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

This verdict will get a total of 15 seconds of coverage on MSNBC.

WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You don’t. He was listing the other followers of Moloch, besides you.

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Yes we have the death penalty here. Only other option for first degree is life with NO parole.

Wethal on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Does Pennsylvania have a death penalty?

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Yes and he is death eligible for the 3 first degree murder counts. Sentencing phase will likely start in a week.

Alia on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Does Pennsylvania have a death penalty?

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Yes. but it hasn’t been used in about 15 years.

Dreadnought on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I’m guessing an appeal could be based on incompetent defense council. The defense rested without calling a witness.

farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

There has been speculation that was indeed their strategy.

changer1701 on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Gosnell looked shocked and bewildered when convicted of multiple counts of first degree murder

Suck it Kermit.

Suck it dooowwwnnnnn.

Spade on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Could you please name these supporters that you keep mentioning? I didn’t realize I had a fan club at Hot Air.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

They support thuja, and by implication you too. You and thuja/Obama are the same on topic. You support murder and infanticide.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Nah, he’s an abortion doctor.

When you create death for so long you think you’re God and without fault.

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Thuja’s hero done.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I can’t think of a sicker, more twisted person on this website.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

“Just breaking

Kermit Gosnell Found Guilty on Three First-Degree Murder Charges:

The jury in the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell returned a verdict and found him guilty on three of the four first-degree murder charges he faced.

Phila abortionist Kermit #Gosnell guilty 1st degree murder in 3 of 4 babies.

— jdmullane (@jdmullane) May 13, 2013

Courtroom fell silent as #Gosnell found guilty of murdering babies A, C and D. He faces death in each case.

— jdmullane (@jdmullane) May 13, 2013…”

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/05/gosnell-found-guilty-on-three-counts-of-murder/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalInsurrection+%28Le%C2%B7gal+In%C2%B7sur%C2%B7rec%C2%B7tion%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

workingclass artist on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I was shocked too.

I’m cynical enough to think that there was a good chance he’d be allowed to walk to “protect abortion rights.” All you need is one person on the jury to decide that sometimes sacrifices must be made for The Cause (even if that sacrifice is to allow a serial murderer to walk free).

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Does Pennsylvania have a death penalty?

sentinelrules on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Yes. But he’s 72, so he’ll most likely die of natural causes before death penalty appeals are exhausted. Just glad we’ve established the principle.

rbj on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Regardless of what judgement this miserable excuse for a human being will get in this life, he’s going to face a much more hard judgment in the next when he dies.

That being said, I’m glad this judgment against murdering the defenseless came about!

Serial Killer – 0
Right for the unborn – 100

Yes, Praise God!!!

avagreen on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I had a fan club at Hot Air.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Of course that was never said. take your straw elsewhere you pos.

Don’t you have someone to go preach to about how slavery was all fine and good because it was legal and we shouldn’t interrupt such things?

Don’t answer. Just f yourself.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Yeah, but those murders happened a long time ago. What, at this point, does it matter?

tdarrington on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Yeah, but those murders happened a long time ago. What, at this point, does it matter?

tdarrington on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

8 months statute.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Don’t roll out the humpbot… roll out the death row gurney.

viking01 on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I’m guessing an appeal could be based on incompetent defense council. The defense rested without calling a witness.

farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

RWM answered that two weeks ago. I forget the reasons she gave, but it seems unlikely.

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I’m guessing an appeal could be based on incompetent defense council. The defense rested without calling a witness.

farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

There has been speculation that was indeed their strategy.

changer1701 on May 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

It’s a common strategy for the defense to simply rest after the prosecution presents its case. the defense doesn’t have to prove anything it merely has to poke holes in the prosecution’s case.

So, the fact that the defense did not put on an affirmative case is not alone grounds for overturning a verdict on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If he was extremely shocked, maybe it is because what he was doing wasn’t any different than abortion providers in the rest of the country. Maybe he will turn on the rest of the abortion industry now that he has been found guilty. One can hope…

weaselyone on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

They support thuja, and by implication you too. You and thuja/Obama are the same on topic. You support murder and infanticide.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Who are “they”? Names, please.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

He will never walk free again.

Too bad he’s that old, the butcher of the USA, condoned by the Obamas.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I can’t think of a sicker, more twisted person on this website.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Oh he’s a sick phuck but I doubt he’d support slavery like Armin would.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Who are “they”? Names, please.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

They know who they are. I’m free to do what I please.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Who are “they”? Names, please.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

What do you want to do with them? Start a club?

philoquin on May 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I can’t think of a sicker, more twisted person on this website.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

On topic, mainly. It has company.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

It’s a common strategy for the defense to simply rest after the prosecution presents its case. the defense doesn’t have to prove anything it merely has to poke holes in the prosecution’s case.

So, the fact that the defense did not put on an affirmative case is not alone grounds for overturning a verdict on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

That’s not what Matlock did… ;)

changer1701 on May 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Gosnell, like Ogabe, is used to a lifetime of getting away with it.

viking01 on May 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I’m waiting for libfree to pop in and tell us all how another black man got railroaded in a courtroom.

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Who are “they”? Names, please.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

What do you want to do with them? Start a club?

philoquin on May 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

…have them promoted, hand them bonuses.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

f he was extremely shocked, maybe it is because what he was doing wasn’t any different than abortion providers in the rest of the country. Maybe he will turn on the rest of the abortion industry now that he has been found guilty. One can hope…

weaselyone on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

This. I’m guessing that things weren’t run too differently at Gosnell’s clinic than at any other abortion factory. He probably still doesn’t understand what it is that he did wrong.

And, there are plenty of other people who are confused as well. Some even post here.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I see the DP and abotion in next year ‘s governors race. Dem Schwartz ran a PP clinic and won ‘t say if she referred women to Gosnell.

Wethal on May 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I can understand you being shocked, we’ve been treated to all kinds of stupid in the last four and half years, but I can’t imagine being that totally sold on a jury outcome by a defendant. Especially considering the testimony that went on and his employees testifying against him.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I am very happy for the verdict …

I am very sad for the millions of unborn life
that is/has been destroyed by abortion

I am pro life … I do not want the death penalty
I want him to spend the rest of his life in
prison w/o the possibility of parole

do you think the Governor will pardon him?

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Armin is struggling to dispel the rumor that he has no friends.

viking01 on May 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

So, wrongfully convicted by an extreme ultra rightwing jury, or outlier who in no way represents the broader abortion provider community?

tdarrington on May 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The needle. Please.

a capella on May 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Scissors.

JusDreamin on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I’m saying this case forces prochoicers to consider the logic pathology allowing a just born infant to be protected by law vs nonprotection a few minutes rearlier in the womb. In this case, if a nonguilty verdict is reached, it will be based on whether those babies were proved to be born alive, not that infantcide is legal.

a capella on May 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Panic staff-meetings being held right now at abortion houses all over the country, including the Eric Holder family abortion clinic in Atlanta.

slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Who are “they”? Names, please.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You sound like a 5th grader.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Update (Ed): This may seem redundant, but these charges would have allowed the jury to take a pass on 1st-degree murder convictions if so inclined:

The abortionist #Gosnell also guilty of infanticide in death of Baby A, and conspiracy in deaths of babies C and D.

— jdmullane (@jdmullane) May 13, 2013

The local NBC affiliate reports that sentencing will begin on July 15th. They will empanel a different jury to consider the death penalty for the murder charges.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Pardon by Obama, the supporter of infanticide?

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

This. I’m guessing that things weren’t run too differently at Gosnell’s clinic than at any other abortion factory.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Most pro-lifers feel this way, and yet they’re still angry that the Gosnell case wasn’t given oodles of media attention. Basically, socons are angry that an (in their opinion) un-exceptional case wasn’t treated exceptionally in the media. Does that make them dishonest or stupid or both?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

do you think the Governor will pardon him?

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The prisoners won’t.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Anyone who has discourse with any of you is now a supporter, even when they disagree. It’s good to be god.

Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

All he did was what Obama advocated.

PackerBronco on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

His smiles will subside when he begs the new jury to let him live.

How will the media cover all of it now, derelicts?

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

You’re still here? That drain isn’t going to expel those body parts by itself.

cptacek on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

That’s not what Matlock did… ;)

changer1701 on May 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, but when you have the luxury of being a criminal defense attorney whose clients are all actually innocent of the charges against them (like Matlock’s clients), you can put on a good case showing who really committed the murder.

You have to love that Matlock lived in a jurisdiction where the police / D.A. were so bad that every single one of the people they put on trial for murder were falsely accused – 30 or so per year. They really needed better police there.

Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Does that make them dishonest or stupid or both?

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

No, but it exposes you as desperately stupid, which is beyond schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

You sound like a 5th grader.

CW on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

You’d know. If your posts are any indication, the 5th grade was your final year of school.

Armin Tamzarian on May 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Pardon by Obama, the supporter of infanticide?

justltl on May 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

these are state charges …. unless the Gov. pardons him
(his age .. his medical condition .. etc )

Obama will not be able to legally do anything (Yeah I know
when did Legally ever stop him)

conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Gosnell was shocked? I’m starting to think he’s a senile old bastard.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I checked again , and again to, see who wrote thast :D

burrata on May 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

You know, I had five (yes, five) miscarriages before I had my son and I have always felt guilty thinking my body killed my babies. But this man, as a personification of evil, helped me to realize what really kills babies.

annie in tx on May 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Some of you are horrific at sarc, plus lying about it too. The HA vault knows.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

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