Breaking: IRS admits current Commissioner knew of targeting … a year ago; Update: ProPublica: Same office leaked files to us

posted at 6:11 pm on May 13, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The Associated Press, via the Washington Post, runs this breaking story about the exploding IRS scandal.  It turns out that while outgoing IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress twice in March 2012 that the agency wasn’t targeting conservative groups, just two months later his acting replacement Steve Miller knew all about it:

IRS says current acting commissioner learned in May 2012 that tea party groups were targeted.

The current commissioner knew for a full year that the agency was targeting Tea Party groups  and other opposition organization for aggressive auditing? And in the middle of an election year, no less?  And yet, today Barack Obama insists that he knew nothing of this practice until last Friday.

This is either the most incompetent administration ever, or one of the least honest.  I don’t think there’s a third option any longer, especially in this scandal.

Guess who gets to be on the hot seat for Friday?

The House Ways and Means Committee has scheduled a formal hearing Friday to probe the Internal Revenue Service for placing heavier scrutiny on conservative groups that applied for nonprofit status between 2010 and 2012.

IRS Commissioner Steve Miller and Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George are expected to testify Friday morning during the hearing, which committee leaders said would examine the agency’s “practice of targeting applicants for tax-exempt status based on political leanings.”

Expect Miller to get a lot of questions as to why he never mentioned this practice in June 2012:

The Internal Revenue Service says acting IRS Commissioner Steven T. Miller was first informed in May 2012 that tea party groups were inappropriately targeted for scrutiny.

A month later he wrote a member of Congress to explain the process of reviewing applications for tax-exempt status without mentioning the controversy.

Who told him to keep quiet? That will certainly be one of the questions.  At the same time, this poses a fresh set of problems for Shulman, too. It will be very difficult to argue that he didn’t know anything about the practice in March 2012 when his chief counsel knew about it in August 2011, but that Miller came up to speed on it just after his departure.  And both men will have to answer whether and when they briefed the White House on this — or whether the White House briefed them to put the practice in place.

Update: Funny how Lois Lerner never mentioned this in her Friday-afternoon dump attempt, huh?

Update: Wow … just wow:

The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year.

The IRS did not respond to requests Monday following up about that release, and whether it had determined how the applications were sent to ProPublica.

In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public. (We madesixof those public, after redacting their financial information, deeming that they were newsworthy.)

It’s amazing that ProPublica is willing to burn its source, at least in a general sense, as the key update that it is.  This shows that the aggressive actions from this office were hardly apolitical.  All nine of the confidential files involved conservative groups, not just a cross-section of 501(c)4s applying for exemptions.  This was a coordinated effort to attack conservative groups, although ProPublica ran their article after the election.

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These scandals are coming, dare I say it, Fast and Furious.

Thank you, I’ll be here all night.

/Bishop

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Anyone complaining will be labeled a birther, racist, etc..
Oh, and Bishop!

LeftCoastRight on May 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM

The democratic party didn’t tell Obama anything. Nor did his cabinet, nor did anyone. Obama isn’t responsible. He’s just a black man being disenfranchised by all of his republican advisors.

The MSM.

thgrant on May 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Anyone complaining will be labeled a birther, racist, etc..
Oh, and Bishop!

LeftCoastRight on May 13, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Drat!

LeftCoastRight on May 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Obama was golfing that year.

profitsbeard on May 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Hah, they went after the AP.

The AP goes after them.

This s/b fun to watch.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM

They already apologized, what is the problem?

arnold ziffel on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM

They already apologized, what is the problem?

arnold ziffel on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Plus, it was so long ago.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Obama: I know nothing … I see nothing.

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM

its official, obama is a lame duck campaigner in chief till 2016

burserker on May 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Mark Levin is giving a very detailed timeline of Landmark Legal Foundation’s exposure of the IRS scandal on his radio show RIGHT NOW.

Thank you Mark Levin!

wren on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The democratic party didn’t tell Obama anything. Nor did his cabinet, nor did anyone. Obama isn’t responsible. He’s just a black man being disenfranchised by all of his republican advisors.

The MSM.

thgrant on May 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Yeppers – paraphrasing VorDaj – he’s either the “smahtest president in history, or the Three Monkeys of Oblivion”. They want us to believe both, concurrently.

Good luck, charlatanit thugs. May the devil finally get you.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Obama only just found this out today. Relax, guys. He’s one of us.

JackForce on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Well, to be fair, the Commissioner is just a low level… who am i kidding? I vote for most dishonest. I used to think we wouldn’t see a bigger bold-faced liar in the whitehouse than Bill Clinton. I was wrong.

Fenris on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Plus, it was so long ago.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM

No kidding … what difference does it make now anyway?

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Scandal-palooza! Darryl Issa is going to have to convene a graveyard shift.

hillsoftx on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The hits just keep on coming for Richard Milhous Obama.

Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

indeed the scandals are coming fast and furious
did anyone say the I-word?

wholefoodsrepublican on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Three red Breaking headlines on three different scandals. Is this a HA record?

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

These scandals are coming, dare I say it, Fast and Furious.

Thank you, I’ll be here all night.

/Bishop

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 6:12 PM

But you see, that’s the problem for the GOP. There’s so many targets right now, that if they go after all of them, the MSM will be able to paint it as a “desperate GOP, searching for something they can hit Obama with”.

Chris of Rights on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Three red Breaking headlines on three different scandals. Is this a HA record?

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I do believe so.

Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I’m sure this is all Mitt Romney’s fault. If he had just released his tax returns . . .

myiq2xu on May 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

This is actually getting entertaining.

It is like a new surprise everyday!

Or every hour at this rate…

William Eaton on May 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

This is either the most incompetent administration ever, or one of the least honest.

Remember kids, those 2 aren’t mutually exclusive…

AUINSC on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Some Obama Sycophant will willingly offer himself or herself up for sacrifice. They will jump on this grenade for their “Dear Leader”.

Can we get a HotGas InstaPoll started on which Obama 1.0 lackey will jump in front of this bullet?

I say Axelrod will do it since he’s already bailed ship and has a cozy new job with one of the MSM Water Carriers….

powerpickle on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

” And yet, today Barack Obama insists that he knew nothing of this practice until last Friday.”

From the ‘press‘, no less…

Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

What about The Children?

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Ruh roh

Not a bushie

Own it dems…. msdnc politico are pushing the NAACP was audited why no outrage then meme

cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Can there be ANY doubt to any ration person that the IRS and Dept of Injustice harassment and intimidation of non-OBOZO-ites was fully co-ordinated via either people in the WH and/or those in OFA?

TeaPartyNation on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Drink!

BoxHead1 on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

C’mon, this is old news. What possible difference could it make now? /snark and snort with a chortle

Oldnuke on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Lets take Obama at his word and he had no idea, what does that say about his management skills?

rob verdi on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

This is either the most incompetent administration ever, or one of the least honest.

I’d say it’s both explanations.

Galt2009 on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

The Associated Press, via the Washington Post, runs this breaking story about the exploding IRS scandal.

Hmm…

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

What a crock he just found out and the lsm is OK with that

cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

The Associated Press, via the Washington Post, runs this breaking story about the exploding IRS scandal…..

…..hours after learning of the DOJ snooping around their phone records.

Never get into an argument with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

Can’t remember who said it, but damn…..still true, ain’t it?

BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

First they came for Joe the plumber.

Shame on you if you forgot.

Bishop, you are spot on !!!!!!

RealMc on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

And yet, today Barack Obama insists that he knew nothing of this practice until last Friday.

Plausible deniability.

rbj on May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Remember kids, those 2 aren’t mutually exclusive…

AUINSC on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

The description is malfeasance and incompetence.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

This is impossible. Nancy Pelosi drained the swamp and this is the most transparent administration ever.

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

This is either the most incompetent administration ever, or one of the least honest. I don’t think there’s a third option any longer, especially in this scandal.

Third option: both.

tru2tx on May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Can’t remember who said it, but damn…..still true, ain’t it?

BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I think Mark Twain said it.

He was on the money.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

But you see, that’s the problem for the GOP. There’s so many targets right now, that if they go after all of them, the MSM will be able to paint it as a “desperate GOP, searching for something they can hit Obama with”.

Chris of Rights on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

While the GOP is mostly toothless, I don’t think they will be able to resist the smell of blood in the water. If these scandals drag on and on and constantly make front page news in the MSM, they are going to go for Obama’s throat.

Doomberg on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Three red Breaking headlines on three different scandals. Is this a HA record?

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

And the MN Senate just passed same-sex “marriage” after the MN House passed it last week. Now it goes to our ultra-liberal moron Governor Mark Dayton who has already said he’ll pass it. Lots of stuff going on today.

Othniel on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

I always remember Joe Wilson wanting Karl Rove “frog marched in handcuffs out of the WH”. We may get to see some Axelrod and Plouffe instead of Rove.

Tater Salad on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Good luck, charlatanit thugs. May the devil finally get you.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I also liked primordialpair’s “affirmative-action poster child gone feral.”

arnold ziffel on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

POPCORN !!!!!
Getting low!

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Obama was golfing that year.

profitsbeard on May 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM

That was the year he hit 575 holes in one…plus another 725 Eagles…

Eat your heart out NK fat boy…

William Eaton on May 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

The Buck Stops Here….
Except for the IRS…
and the DOJ…
and the State Department…
And all those other departments…

Hey Look, a squirrel.

torerodrizzle on May 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Some low level schmuck is about to lose his/her job because Sgt. Schultz obama knows nuthink!

sandee on May 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

This is either the most incompetent administration ever, or one of the least honest. I don’t think there’s a third option any longer, especially in this scandal.

I’ll take door number 3 – both the most incompetent and the least honest.

BTW, which nuke shot is that image?

Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Obama screwed up with the AP story, he went after his base…..the press.

Tater Salad on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Obama had no way of knowing any of this, as he had the do-not-disturb sign hanging on the doorknob on the White House Master Bedroom in anticipation of a grueling schedule of fundraisers and campaign rallies.

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

The trolls are verklempt today.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Obama had no way of knowing any of this, as he had the do-not-disturb sign hanging on the doorknob on the White House Master Bedroom in anticipation of a grueling schedule of fundraisers and campaign rallies.

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Which he is attending in NY as we speak…

sandee on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

The House Ways and Means Committee has scheduled a formal hearing Friday to probe the Internal Revenue Service for placing heavier scrutiny on conservative groups that applied for nonprofit status between 2010 and 2012.

Don’t forget to put them under oath. If they object, put them in jail for contempt of Congress.

Oh….that would require stones. I got carried away, sorry.

BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

There is no there there!

lynncgb on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

his acting replacement Steve Miller knew all about it

Take the money and run

Mark1971 on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I know nothing, I see nothing

- Barack Obama, president

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Breaking: IRS admits current Commissioner knew of targeting … a year ago

Barky knew about before that … since it was his idea, to start with.

This America-hating third-world POS never should have been allowed to run, as he’s clearly ineligible. That said, he should have been impeached countless times, already – and I don’t give a rat’s azz if the Dem Senate would refuse to convict, he should have been impeached over and over and over until they did.

But … nooooo. We had to leave this retarded criminal in the White House, let him fundamentally deform our nation (we STILL have BarkyCare as law, even as it was criminally passed and even as the GOP was given back power in 2010 for the sole purpose of repealing it, which they had a handful of “must pass” debt limit raises and CRs to use as leverage), and now we have just one more seriously criminal, impeachable and prosecutable act on his part … which has already been going on for years.

WTFFFF?? When is it enough?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

The Buck Stops Here….
Except for the IRS…
and the DOJ…
and the State Department…
And all those other departments…

Hey Look, a squirrel.

torerodrizzle on May 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Obama will fix all this…
wait for it…
it will be really big…
massive….
super important….
something never seen in human history…
drum role…..

A Speech!

William Eaton on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

This must be low level employees engaged in a local crime story. And beside, what difference does it make?!

MTF on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

How do you sort out these scandals?

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

There is no there there!

lynncgb on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Reminds me of Billy Bob Clinton’s “It depends what the meaning of is ,is.”

sandee on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

sort these scandals, rather.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

A house of cards in a stiff wind…

d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

BTW, which nuke shot is that image?

The big one–Tsar Bomba. Which is a completely inappropriate choice for this story, as it’s going precisely nowhere–no one will be impeached, punished or even identified. Our media are nothing but a cheering section for Dear Leader, and the thing our “opposition party” is best at opposing is its own base. At best, it’s just another opportunity to play everyone’s favorite game, What If Bush Had Done It.

Fabozz on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

The lib talking heads insist dear leader must fire someone now or this will turn out bad

A little late there sparky

cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I’m sure this is all Mitt Romney’s fault. If he had just released his tax returns . . .

myiq2xu on May 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

And now we know why they tried so hard to get Romney to release his tax returns. They already knew what was in them, but they couldn’t let anyone know they knew until he released them officially.

They probably had the attacks all wound up and ready to go, just waiting for Romney to officially release his tax returns so they could unleash the attacks without people saying, “Where did they get this informatino?”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I have no doubt the sequestration is responsible for this.

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Maybe not. I just looked–said by many, attributed to Mark Twain and even attributed as far back as to Samuel Johnson (1709-1784).

Still true—and long recognized as such.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I’m thinking we just have one giant beer summit and sort all this out.

rightmind on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

wren on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

And he’s making the TV rounds, too!
Will be on Hannity tonight, after doing a few earlier, today.

pambi on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Remember kids, those 2 aren’t mutually exclusive…

AUINSC on May 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

I dunno, we’ve had some pretty incompetent Presidents, including Carter not so long ago. And Obama has been very successful on some things: passing ObamaCare and keeping spending thru the roof.

Fenris on May 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

There is no there there!

lynncgb on May 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

What the dog-eating, third world retard really said was,

“They’re is no there, their. Americans are just all wee wee’d up.”

Harvard and Columbia gave him A’s for that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Othniel on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

I saw that—even after a majority of MN voters polled against it. The Dems are voting for their own judgment.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Don’t blame Obama comrade … that’s how they did it in old Soviet Union. It’s all he knows.

darwin on May 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I’m sure this is all Mitt Romney’s fault. If he had just released his tax returns . . .

myiq2xu on May 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

And now we know why they tried so hard to get Romney to release his tax returns. They already knew what was in them, but they couldn’t let anyone know they knew until he released them officially.

They probably had the attacks all wound up and ready to go, just waiting for Romney to officially release his tax returns so they could unleash the attacks without people saying, “Where did they get this informatino?”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I go to another thread, and what do I read?

All the fuss over Mitt Romney’s tax returns indicates that they knew there was something in there that Obama could use during the election. They couldn’t let on that they were snooping into his returns, so they tried to guilt and shame him into the releasing returns. Obama is chin-deep in this muck. . . as usual.

Mallard T. Drake on May 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

My basic point, but 3 and a half hours earlier.

Slow news day, huh?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Black Monday.

Oh , wait. Half-Black Monday.

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Obama and his thugs

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Will the lsm actually report the latest update?

cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Remember, folks — this is a non-story in the LSM and according to our trolls. It’s simply the Republicans making it a political issue; so what Miller knew a year ago?

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Funny how Lois Lerner never mentioned this in her Friday-afternoon dump attempt, huh?

You say funny. I say indictable.

Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Three red Breaking headlines on three different scandals. Is this a HA record?

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Maybe Obama can add a Guinness Book of World Records title to his list of dubious credits. That would be historic.

Lily on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

This was a coordinated effort to attack conservative groups, although ProPublica ran their article after the election.

The excrement of the world. May they suffocate from what they ate.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Black Monday.

Oh , wait. Half-Black Monday.

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

What — you racist against white people? :-)

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Anything to be re-elected… Poser isn’t president in my eyes…

sandee on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

But Mr. Romney, what about your GAAAAAFFFFES?

JackForce on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Not only was the IRS selectively targeting conservative groups for abusive scrutiny.

Not only was the Obama campaign illegally making use of information obtained from that illegal scrutiny.

But the IRS was also illegally leaking that information to liberal news outfits like ProPublica.

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Liam on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

LOL!

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Pure lawlessness.

Iblis on May 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

But Mr. Romney, what about your GAAAAAFFFFES?

JackForce on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

President Obama, what about your SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDALS?

steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Great day for bloggers

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Othniel on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

That reminds me. I saw this today.

The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) today renewed its demand that the Internal Revenue Service reveal the identity of the employee or employees responsible for stealing the organization’s confidential Form 990 tax return and leaking it to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC). At the time of the theft, the HRC had long-sought to know the identity of NOM’s major donors and its chief executive was a co-chair of President Obama’s reelection campaign. The Form 990 that was leaked to the HRC contained the identity of numerous major donors to the organization….

In March 2012 the Human Rights Campaign and the Huffington Post published NOM’s Form 990 Schedule B from 2008 containing the identity of dozens of donors. The HRC claimed the tax return was provided by a ‘whistleblower.’ For months previous to the publication, the HRC had been demanding that NOM publicly release this confidential information even though federal law protects the identity of contributors to nonprofit groups. The publication of NOM’s tax return occurred just a few months after Joseph Solmonese, then president of the HRC, was appointed a national co-chair of the Obama reelection campaign. An analysis of the published documents shows that they could only have originated with the IRS.

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

At what point will Scooter be deemed “no longer useful” to the Democratic Party. In other words, when will the rats start deserting the sinking Ship of State?

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I know. :)

kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM

The East German Stasi are jealous.

rbj on May 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Maybe Obama can add a Guinness Book of World Records title to his list of dubious credits. That would be historic.

Lily on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Another precedent for him!

How many scandals can one administration have?

INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Obama only just found this out today. Relax, guys. He’s one of us.

JackForce on May 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

If so then you are not one of my group. We are far more powerful and in the loop than the President. We found out about this stuff months ago. ;0

Seriously, there is a need in leadership for plausible deniability. But that doesn’t extend to specifically targeting groups that dissent from administration policy.

Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

wiki:

ProPublica is a non-profit corporation based in New York City. It describes itself as an independent non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest.

-snip-

While the Sandler Foundation provided ProPublica with significant financial support, it has also received funding from the Knight Foundation, MacArthur Foundation, Pew Charitable Trusts, Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation and others. ProPublica and the Knight Foundation have various connections. For example, Paul Steiger, President of ProPublica, is a trustee of the Knight Foundation. In like manner, Alberto Ibarguen, the President and CEO of the Knight Foundation is on the board of ProPublica. In 2010, it received a two-year contribution of $125,000 each year from George Soros’ Open Society Foundations.

Fake Scandal indeed…

Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

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