Manning supporters to crowdsource trial transcriptionist

posted at 8:31 am on May 11, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I’ve been covering the trial of accused (and now essentially confessed) traitor Bradley Manning for Hot Air for some time now. At times it seems like I’ve been covering it since Reagan was in office. Whether it was the initial offenses, the staggering range of miscues by his civilian lawyer or his nominations for things ranging from a Nobel Prize to the Grand Marshal position for the gay pride parade, we’ve patiently waded through the reams of media output surrounding the circus which this Court Martial has become. But for at least some of his supporters, there is clearly not enough information getting out to the public.

Frustrated by government restrictions surrounding the court martial of Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, the Freedom of the Press Foundation has announced a crowdsourcing campaign to pay a professional court reporter to transcribe the trial.

In a release Thursday, the organization said the stenographer will be credentialed by a media outlet, attend the trial and Freedom of the Press Foundation will make the transcripts available online.

“Journalists covering Manning’s case face many Kafkaesque obstacles, but nothing is more punitive than the government’s refusal to provide a timely and accurate transcript. By funding a court stenographer, we hope to help journalists in their effort to report on the trial,” said Laura Poitras, a documentary filmmaker who serves on the board of directors of Freedom of the Press Foundation, according to the release.

Seriously? A “timely and accurate transcript” of the Court Martial is what’s lacking here to overcome the “Kafkaesque obstacles” blocking reporters from bringing us every nook and cranny of this debacle? This guy gets nearly as much air time as Jody Arias. I have a Google alert set up for news on Manning’s story, and I don’t think there has been a day in the last two years where it hasn’t rung up some number of hits ranging from mundane updates to the truly bizarre. But hey… whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

The group in question is claiming they need to raise $40,000-$50,000 to cover the costs of a private transcriptionist who will take down each and every last precious syllable uttered for the rest of the proceedings, as well as providing them with press credentials. But I’m not sure what they’re getting for their money. There are reporters at every session, as I can attest in an all too exhausted fashion. They write about this case endlessly. The stuff they don’t write about is the hours and reams of mind numbing procedural bickering which take up a huge portion of every trial which goes to the jury in America. But if you want the full Monty, folks, go for it.

Meanwhile, I’ll be waiting for this guy to sail off into the sunset of some brig. This isn’t the O.J. Simpson trial, guys. This is the Army. They don’t tend to look lightly upon treason.


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bringing us every nook and cranny of this debacle

I could do without ever knowing any nook or cranny related to Manning.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Bradley Manning is less a traitor than every single one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

What is the lifespan of a cricket????

Neal4007 on May 11, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Meanwhile, I’ll be waiting for this guy to sail off into the sunset of some brig. This isn’t the O.J. Simpson trial, guys. This is the Army. They don’t tend to look lightly upon treason.

Bull Shit. They do if it is committed by their generals.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Journalists covering Manning’s case face many Kafkaesque obstacles

That tells me the journalists covering the case haven’t covered many trials.

All trials are “Kafkaesque” in their complexity. One for treason should be even more so. But if they feel it’s a danger in any way, that tells me more about the journalist’s personal opinions of the case than anything.

They don’t want a court reporter for the purpose of reporting or anything to do with journalism. They want it to assist with appeals. They’re going to crowdsource the transcript so people can pick through every little word looking for something to hang their appellate hat on.

ButterflyDragon on May 11, 2013 at 8:40 AM

At times it seems like I’ve been covering it since Reagan was in office.

Lol,your a Bull Dog Jazz:)

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Why hasn’t he been executed yet?

tom daschle concerned on May 11, 2013 at 8:47 AM

After Wednesday, I believe we have a bigger treason problem than Bradley Manning.

hillsoftx on May 11, 2013 at 8:48 AM

*Cough-Cough *,..Space walk ISS Emergency!

Don’t O/T comment,just enjoy the show:

Video: Spacewalk to troubleshoot ISS ammonia leak

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM

It is of the highest importance in the art of detection to be able to recognize, out of a number of facts, which are incidental and which vital, otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated. (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

It is our Army generals who have been exposed to all but their most Three Monkeys of Oblivion supporters as Perfumed Pimps masquerading as Generals who have no regard for America and it’s Constitution or their own troops and who are all out sons-of-#itches, traitors, and chronic dhimmis! And THEY, not Manning, are the ones who have gotten thousands of their own troops lifeless and limbless for nothing but their own egos and their see no Islam, hear no Islam, speak no Islam, know no Islam, career uber alles anti-Americanism. And as if all this wasn’t enough, they, not manning, at the very least acquiesced to the abandonment of 30 Americans at Benghazi and are now part of the cover up.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Bull Shit. They do if it is committed by their generals.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Since when?

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Journalists covering Manning’s case face many Kafkaesque obstacles

Right. Neither they nor Manning have any idea what the charges are, who is charging him, or what the evidence against him is.

Oh, wait. They do know all of those things. And Manning has practically admitted his guilt.

That must mean these “journalists covering Manning’s case” are morons.

farsighted on May 11, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Why hasn’t he been executed yet?

tom daschle concerned on May 11, 2013 at 8:47 AM

First things first. Why haven’t the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Since when?

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Have you been in a coma?

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Careful here, guys.

On this topic, everyone seems to want Manning to swing slowly and painfully for leaking high level government documents that proved to be embarrassing.

On another topic, everyone seems to be giddy with glee over the leak of high level government documents that proved be embarrassing. Can you say “CIA talking points revised 12 times by State Department”?

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

I still can’t figure out how a PFC was able to get all these documents. Shouldn’t at least his supervisor – a sergeant – have been slapped with lackadaisical supervision ? and the Lieutenant ? Captain ? etc.

how was this possible ?

williampeck1958 on May 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Me thinks,Manning mirrors the Hopey/Changey Regime!

They leak,deny,and are unacountable!!

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Touring Benghazi

In February, the Joint Chiefs chairman, General Martin Dempsey, was asked by Senator Kelly Ayotte, R-New Hampshire, why F-16s at Aviano Air Base in Italy weren’t deployed to Benghazi that night. The General’s response was:

“This is the middle of the night now, these are not aircraft on strip alert,” Dempsey said. “They’re there as part of our commitment to NATO and Europe. And so, as we looked at the time line , it was pretty clear that it would take up to 20 hours or so to get them there.”

A $5,000 WWI plane could have gone that distance and back in less than 20 hours!

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Hasn’t he explained that he was just incensed over a video?

IlikedAUH2O on May 11, 2013 at 9:00 AM

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

I think the constitution says something about giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

gryphon202 on May 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Hasn’t he explained that he was just incensed over a video?

IlikedAUH2O on May 11, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Obama and Clinton and Petraeus would adopt him as their son then.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I think the constitution says something about giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

gryphon202 on May 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM

You have just indited Obama, Clinton, Petraeus, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DOD, DOJ, DHS, TSA, MSM … … well I could go on but for the sake of brevity I’ll just leave it at that.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Have you been in a coma?

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

What are you talking about?
Or are you saying that they are traitors for not exterminating every Muslim on the planet?

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM

*Cough-Cough,better Feed:

ISS Space-Walk Emergency,..Ammonia Leak.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Or are you saying that they are traitors for not exterminating every Muslim on the planet?

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Stop being a Drama Queen. It looks ridiculous.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I am not accusing anyone in uniform of treason but I AM WORSE THAN YOU ARE ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

Make it in time, means you assume how long the attack will last!

WTF?????

Were they WORKING with the terrorist murdering attackers?

Anybody who has worked sieges or been in combat KNOWS you can’t conclude how long a battle will last esp. with all the possible variables involved! Sssshhheeesssh!

Unless, unless…you were in contact with the bad guy who took photos earlier and wee planning the whole thing.

And someone tell State and the WH that flash crowds may take hpotos and plan but angry protesters incensed over a video kinda just get together..

So absurd…Judas Iscariot could make a better case for himself than the gang who handled this tragedy.

IlikedAUH2O on May 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I think the constitution says something about giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

gryphon202 on May 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Define “enemy”.

According the current resident of the WH, “enemy” is defined as someone who thinks our borders should be secure.

Would you consider FoxNews the “enemy” because they reported/released some of the content that Manning stole? Or has FoxNews committed a treasonous act?

Keep in mind I do believe what Manning did is a crime, and I don’t really care what the title of the charge is (it has no effect on the daily routine while in prison for the rest of your life).

Having said that, I also feel a bit hypocritical when I read about leaked emails that take a gigantic dump on the Obama regime.

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Careful here, guys.

On this topic, everyone seems to want Manning to swing slowly and painfully for leaking high level government documents that proved to be embarrassing.

On another topic, everyone seems to be giddy with glee over the leak of high level government documents that proved be embarrassing. Can you say “CIA talking points revised 12 times by State Department”?

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

That isn’t really related.
It’s clear that Manning was looking to inflict damage on the US out of spite. With the whole Bengazi thing, we have people trying to prevent further damage and make sure that responsibility is properly assigned.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM

This is the Army. They don’t tend to look lightly upon treason.

I’ll believe that when I hear some general say the following:

“Mr. President, you have the right to remain silent…”

Cleombrotus on May 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM

We missed a chance at feeding poor, hungry sharks with the Boston Marathon bomber, let’s not make the same mistake here.
Please, remember the poor, hungry sharks.

rbj on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

It’s clear that Manning was looking to inflict damage on the US out of spite. With the whole Bengazi thing, we have people trying to prevent further damage and make sure that responsibility is properly assigned.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Isn’t that Manning’s justification?

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Stop being a Drama Queen. It looks ridiculous.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

That’s a rather remarkable statement to make for someone who just ranted that the military is guilty of treason.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

With the whole Bengazi thing, we have people trying to prevent further damage and make sure that responsibility is properly assigned.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Well if you think anyone in the Obama administration is trying to do anything other than than the opposite of that, you have been in a coma.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Ask any LEO, you can’t estimate how long till you take an unarmed guy without fortifications into custody.

And why not do a study of the situation on the ground before you start giving up your brothers? Communicate! Analyze! Plan!

FIGHT!

I drove a cute little redhaired woman nuts with an evening of this.

At least the male was almost crying for a change.

IlikedAUH2O on May 11, 2013 at 9:13 AM

That’s a rather remarkable statement to make for someone who just ranted that the military is guilty of treason.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Stop lying about what I said. I didn’t say the military. Some in the military is not the same as the military.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Well if you think anyone in the Obama administration is trying to do anything other than than the opposite of that, you have been in a coma.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

The democrats are a combination of corrupt and operating under a lot of false assumptions taught to them by various communists. Despite what it frequently looks like, they have convinced themselves that they are working in the country’s best interest.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Despite what it frequently looks like, they have convinced themselves that they are working in the country’s best interest.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I seriously doubt they could be that stupid.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Stop lying about what I said. I didn’t say the military. Some in the military is not the same as the military.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM

So, that’s not what you meant by this then?

are the ones who have gotten thousands of their own troops lifeless and limbless for nothing but their own egos and their see no Islam, hear no Islam, speak no Islam, know no Islam,

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:20 AM

I seriously doubt they could be that stupid.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:20 AM

You underestimate ignorance.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

So, that’s not what you meant by this then?

are the ones who have gotten thousands of their own troops lifeless and limbless for nothing but their own egos and their see no Islam, hear no Islam, speak no Islam, know no Islam,

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:20 AM

What kind of a complete idiot are you?

In that comment “the ones” that I was refering to was made clear by the preceding -

“It is our Army generals who have been exposed to all but their most Three Monkeys of Oblivion supporters as Perfumed Pimps masquerading as Generals”.

Now stop wasting my time with you inanities.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Count’s right. They aren’t related. Comparing what the Benghazi survivors/ whistleblowers did to Manning’s grabbing all the data he could, not knowing what he was dealing with, then releasing it are quite different.

I don’t know what branch vordaj served in so I can only speak for myself and my experience but in the Marine Corps we wouldn’t suffer traitors at all, from top to bottom, from Commandant to PFC. Vordaj paints with a brush too broad for my liking and in tones too similar to the Alex Jones crowd.

av8tr on May 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

You underestimate ignorance.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Not yours.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

What is the lifespan of a cricket????

Neal4007 on May 11, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Neal4007:

Approximately one year,if has safe shelter,
out in the wilds/boonies..,less than a year!

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Vordaj paints with a brush too broad for my liking and in tones too similar to the Alex Jones crowd.

av8tr on May 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

I take it “Alex Jones crowd” is some kind of broad brush insult. You should never hoist yourself on your own petard.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:30 AM

av8tr on May 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

O/T: you flew Harriers?

Cleombrotus on May 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM

You underestimate ignorance.
Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM
Not yours.
VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Now that’s funny.

Cleombrotus on May 11, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Not yours.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Try not to let your fanaticism away from you.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM

What amazes me is the so many of our fellow Americans, unlike the Army, do look lightly on treason. Heck, they support it!

I had a nutty cab driver in Boston just the other day who was whining about how the Army simply has too much information classified, and Manning was guilty only of getting ahead of the declassification process.

MTF on May 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM

If av8tr is suppose to stand for aviator, it s/b av8r. Aviator only has one ‘t’ and ’8′ (eight) already has the ‘t’.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Why hasn’t he been executed yet?

tom daschle concerned on May 11, 2013 at 8:47 AM

…they don’t want the dude at Fort Hood… to lose his pen pal?

KOOLAID2 on May 11, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I had a nutty cab driver in Boston just the other day who was whining about how the Army simply has too much information classified, and Manning was guilty only of getting ahead of the declassification process.

MTF on May 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Well duh, get with the program. We’re all peaceful, loving globalists now.

We’ll all sit around the nuclear bonfire set off by North Korea or Iran and sing Kumbaya.

ButterflyDragon on May 11, 2013 at 9:41 AM

…they don’t want the dude at Fort Hood… to lose his pen pal?

KOOLAID2 on May 11, 2013 at 9:40 AM

It wouldn’t match well. As a pen pal General Casey, who consider diversity [Muslims] more important than the safety of US Soldiers, would be a far better fit with Army Major Allah Akbar.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Maj Hasan received the Army Service Ribbon as a private in 1988 after completing Advanced Individual Training (AIT), the National Defense Service Medal twice for service during the time periods of the Gulf War and the War on Terrorism, and the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal for support service during the War on Terrorism.

Promoted in May 2009 to Major..all signs ignored(FBI & Military knew)..Nov 2009 he goes Jihad. Yep..just out of the clear blue sky.
why is that?

nothing but their own egos and their see no Islam, hear no Islam, speak no Islam, know no Islam, career uber alles anti-Americanism. And as if all this wasn’t enough, they, not manning, at the very least acquiesced to the abandonment of 30 Americans at Benghazi and are now part of the cover up.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Journalists covering Manning’s case face many Kafkaesque obstacles

Why did I immediately think of cockroaches?

I wonder if that will get past the filter…

Fallon on May 11, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Isn’t that Manning’s justification?

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

It’s merely his last-ditch attempt at CYA. He perused cables he lacked the need-to-know for, and then dumped everything he could get his fabulous little hands on. There was no method to what he did. He just did as much as he could, and expected that those he leaked the information to would browse and decide what was newsworthy or not.

That’s different from pinpoint exposure of collusion between government officials.

mintycrys on May 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I had a nutty cab driver in Boston just the other day who was whining about how the Army simply has too much information classified, and Manning was guilty only of getting ahead of the declassification process.

MTF on May 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM

The Federal Government has about 10,000,000 documents classified. It does seem a bit excessive.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Oh..and tick tock..
Maj Hassan still awaits justice..
cause he won’t shave his beard.
Effing pathetic.

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 9:54 AM

But do they have the court’s permission to have another court reporter in the court room? Is she going to be allowed to sit in the well? In the audience? They take up a lot of room with their machine and these days, they usually have a lap top attached to it.

Blake on May 11, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Seriously, unless there is a signed court order, don’t any of you nuts send them money.

Blake on May 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM

No Vor, wasn’t a “broad brush” insult at all. You really do come off as a crackpot. Maybe that’s by your own design. Your own feelings of self-importance are plainly visible. Having a difference of opinion isn’t enough. You feel the need to insult. Do you really feel that by insulting others you’ll bring them around to your way of thinking?

As far as “av8tr” goes, as it appears important and to you, relevant, av8r was taken.

You have just indited Obama, Clinton, Petraeus, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DOD, DOJ, DHS, TSA, MSM … … well I could go on but for the sake of brevity I’ll just leave it at that.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:04 AM

I think you were looking for “indict.”

av8tr on May 11, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Meanwhile, I’ll be waiting for this guy to sail off into the sunset of some brig.

Manning will never be sent to “some brig”; he’s a soldier. The bigs is for Marines, Sailors, and Coasties. Soldiers used to get put into the “stockade”, but now it’s pretty much just “confinement” then “prison”.

M240H on May 11, 2013 at 10:00 AM

But I’m not sure what they’re getting for their money.

Silly Jazz!

Manning is the poster boy (?) for all “progressivedom”, as such he (?) must be afforded rights above and beyond the law. The steno gig is a 2 pronged attack on the status quo, 1st to intimidate and 2nd to propagandize. The libotards are panicking because their cause célèbre du jour is guilty as charged.

dmann on May 11, 2013 at 10:00 AM

The Federal Government has about 10,000,000 documents classified. It does seem a bit excessive.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Not sure how you or anyone could know that. Since the Clinton era, all documents classified secret or below are not accountable, thus their existence is not tracked. Also 10M documents seems quite low considering classification is across all services, the CIA, FBI, and other departments and includes everything from technical details of weapon systems to ongoing investigations to intelligence information. I would guess that just JSF documents alone would account for 10% of your estimated amount. .. and that’s just one system.

AZfederalist on May 11, 2013 at 10:00 AM

…they don’t want the dude at Fort Hood… to lose his pen pal?

KOOLAID2 on May 11, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Is he still a dude?

The left is so sick… They idolize him.

http://nymag.com/news/features/bradley-manning-2011-7/

Fallon on May 11, 2013 at 10:01 AM

canopfor on May 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Thanks!Guess I could have looked it up,but it’s more fun here!!!

Neal4007 on May 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM

No Vor, wasn’t a “broad brush” insult at all. You really do come off as a crackpot.

Yes, “Alex Jones crowd” was broad brush, very broad brush. It was meant as a broad brush, very broad brush, ad hominem dismissal as a “crackpot”. Just because you hoisted yourself on you own petard doesn’t mean you must lose your memory.

Do you really feel that by insulting others you’ll bring them around to your way of thinking? av8tr on May 11, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I should probably make a note that I should never say someone is part of the “Alex Jones crowd” or a crackpot. You are going to wear out that petard.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM

AZfederalist on May 11, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Well I was trying to be conservative in my quess. You are perhaps being liberal in yours. Let’s just say we have got it bracketed. In any case, as I said, it does seem a bit excessive.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Fallon on May 11, 2013 at 10:01 AM

What was that? Sympathy piece because he had a dysfunctional childhood/family wise
and sexual identity issues?

Everyone has their story..many of us have been through much worse..
Lame explanations and excuses.
Yawn.

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

What was that? Sympathy piece because he had a dysfunctional childhood/family wise
and sexual identity issues?

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

If more about Benghazi comes out Obama may have to use that as a defense. It does fit.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM

sexual identity issues?

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Anyone who would marry Michelle Obama has got to have sexual identity issues.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM

If more about Benghazi comes out Obama may have to use that as a defense. It does fit.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Manning’s life story..nothing even remotely comparative to Barry.
Barry’s issues are pretty clear..no mystery.
Although, many didn’t care or make any links to
his psychology.
When someone tells you who they are..believe it.
Dreams of My Father’ many clues..not difficult.
His ideology and characteristics are not stunning at all. All the pieces of the puzzle come together.

I believe his marriage to Mooch is similar to the reason he joined Trinity church.

bazil9 on May 11, 2013 at 10:39 AM

If more about Benghazi comes out Obama may have to use that as a defense. It does fit.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM

How could you impeach the first half-black, gay or, at the very least, gender-questioning president? You racist homophobic bully.

Fallon on May 11, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Losers.

ExpressoBold on May 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM

The Federal Government has about 10,000,000 documents classified. It does seem a bit excessive.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Troll.

MTF on May 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM

A $5,000 WWI plane could have gone that distance and back in less than 20 hours!

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM

OK, this makes you an idiot. A WWI plane could barely have crossed the Mediterranean without stopping – multiple times. And, it might have gotten there sometime the next day – or the day after that. And an F-16 not on alert does take a couple of hours to get up and ready – it’s not a car that you can just go hop into and turn the key and run to WalMart. They generally sit on the ramp with almost no fuel in them, and totally unarmed. We’re talking a couple of hours at least to get it ready for flight.

As for the 20 hours, yes it would probably take that long to coordinate aerial refueling – out of England, mind you – for the F-16s, then to get it on station (you see, they aren’t necessarily on alert, either). (If there were one at Ramstein, that would cut down the travel time by more than an hour.) Oh, and you can’t assign anyone to either flight (under normal conditions – this situation would make *me* break the rules) who hasn’t had their 8 hours of crew rest for safety reasons. Or anyone who was at the O-club knocking back some drinks just a few hours before.

As to getting there and back, the F-16 has a combat radius of a few hundred miles. It can go about a thousand each way if it is carrying no weapons and a full load of external tanks for fuel. It’s more than 1,000 miles from Aviano to Benghazi. So, it needs that tanker. If there were appropriate aircraft at Sigonella – on Sicily, instead of up near Croatia at the top of the boot – they might have made the trip. But it still would have been one-way unless there was a refueling asset somewhere on-station.

Did they f* up? Oh yeah! And how! Though we’ve grown complacent, anyone with responsibility for CENTCOM or AFRICOM should have had several folks on alert for the week surrounding 9/11. I think there should be a tanker asset on alert ALL the time (maybe I understand that better than some folks) within a few hours distance. And, they definitely could have taken advantage of some airlift: at a minimum, get to the Benghazi airport with some Marines or SOF and get moving to secure the people and the compound. While that’s happening, you’re rousting some guys in Mildenhall to get a KC-135 airborne and getting F-16s loaded for bear.

The problem here is not that the general is lying to you, VorDaj, it’s that they weren’t prepared. (I think they *could* have airlifted ground forces in that time – that’s a different argument.) But, you really shouldn’t run your mouth about incompetence when you don’t have a clue of what’s really involved.

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM

This should have been handled in less than 6 months from his arrest. Confession, trial, firing squad.
The deterrent effect would have stopped future spies in their tracks.

FireBlogger on May 11, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Stop being a Drama Queen. It looks ridiculous.

VorDaj on May 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Did you flounce your skirt when you typed that? Sheesh.

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

C’mon Bob, the differences are legion. For one thing, the ‘whistleblowers’ went to Congress after getting shut down by their chain of command. They pointedly *didn’t* go to Wikileaks. The information they have “released” has been directly related to the topic at hand. And, there obviously has been a cover-up of a possibly criminal action which they are exposing.

Dirtbag First Class Manning, on the other hand, released classified information into the hands of our enemies that had nothing to do with a cover-up and had no possible relevance to his grievances.

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Careful here, guys.

On this topic, everyone seems to want Manning to swing slowly and painfully for leaking high level government documents that proved to be embarrassing.

On another topic, everyone seems to be giddy with glee over the leak of high level government documents that proved be embarrassing. Can you say “CIA talking points revised 12 times by State Department”?

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

HUGE difference:

* Manning was nothing more than an Army Private who deliberately violated the terms of his oath of service and the terms of his security clearance(s) to leak classified information – that far from being merely “embarrassing”, has affected our relationships with other countries so deeply that the long-term ramifications of those effects are just beginning to be felt.

(Hint: Bradley made the decision to leak intel without following any guideline, process, or policy applicable to whistleblowing US Government employees or military personnel)

* The documents that are coming to light regarding the House investigation on events leading up to, during, and following the Benghazi incident – to my knowledge – have been brought to light as part of a legitimate Congressional investigation into claims made by whistleblowers whose careers and reputations have been besmirched by high-level politicians.

It’s as clear to me as the issue of what constitutes a lawful order in the military vs an unlawful one, or questioning the legality of the President declassifying information vs a low-level functionary, as two examples.

Or, put another way, it’s as different to me as night is to day.

-Wanderlust

Wanderlust on May 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

GMTA :)

Wanderlust on May 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The only “nook and cranny” that this guy has to worry about is when he gets to Leavenworth.

Molonlabe2004 on May 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I’d suggest that the issue VorDaj is complaining about (basically PC-tuned Generals) has been around for ages, and is a function of the overwhelmingly political nature of flag officer appointments. There’s a reason why most LTCs retire at that rank.

One example that comes to mind is how recently retired generals back in 2001 complained bitterly about how the military wasn’t properly prepared to go to Iraq – and the MSM was kind enough to never once mention that those same generals signed off on Bill Clinton’s massive reductions of troops and outsourcing of logistics and intelligence functions. The Army alone was reduced from 18 standing divisions down to 10 as part of the so-called “post Cold War peace dividend”.

As for the outsourcing of logistics functions under Clinton, that action necessitated rapid staffing of logistics personnel in Iraq by companies who were able to supply employees with current Top Secret security clearances, and who were cleared to perform Government work in hot zones (combat areas). Given that Halliburton and Bechtel were just about the only companies who could meet those requirements quickly, it was pointless to conduct a formal bidding process for the work under DFARs. Of course, ignoring all of this, the MSM and their Democrat handlers then screamed “no-bid!!!” “Halliburton!!!11!1″ for the next six years.

So my point is, despite the obvious, common-sense conclusion that we should be profiling the hell out of anyone from Islamic countries, there was a massive political push during most of GWB’s presidency, and worse into all of Obama’s presidency, for high level government officials (both military and civilian) to become very PC about pretending that terrorism wasn’t linked to Islamists. After a decade of that mindset in Washington, practically every flag officer in the DoD acts on it without a second thought. If they didn’t, they would be relieved of their commands, no matter who they are. It’s that simple.

Wanderlust on May 11, 2013 at 11:48 AM

IIRC, the UCMJ requires that the defendant be provided with a free trial transcript (presumably post-trial) to facilitate any appeal. So the fund raising seems a little pointless.

PersonFromPorlock on May 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Seriously? A “timely and accurate transcript” of the Court Martial is what’s lacking here to overcome the “Kafkaesque obstacles” blocking reporters from bringing us every nook and cranny of this debacle?

Yes,yes!!! More of this! This is why the media isn’t getting many stories out to the public on the Gosnell trial, all those Kafkaesque obstacles. Why the MSM has just been tied up into knots trying to get these critical stories like Gosnell, Fast and Furious and fracking out into the open.

More! More!

parke on May 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

C’mon Bob, the differences are legion. For one thing, the ‘whistleblowers’ went to Congress after getting shut down by their chain of command. They pointedly *didn’t* go to Wikileaks. The information they have “released” has been directly related to the topic at hand. And, there obviously has been a cover-up of a possibly criminal action which they are exposing.

Dirtbag First Class Manning, on the other hand, released classified information into the hands of our enemies that had nothing to do with a cover-up and had no possible relevance to his grievances.

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Careful here, guys.

On this topic, everyone seems to want Manning to swing slowly and painfully for leaking high level government documents that proved to be embarrassing.

On another topic, everyone seems to be giddy with glee over the leak of high level government documents that proved be embarrassing. Can you say “CIA talking points revised 12 times by State Department”?

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

HUGE difference:

* Manning was nothing more than an Army Private who deliberately violated the terms of his oath of service and the terms of his security clearance(s) to leak classified information – that far from being merely “embarrassing”, has affected our relationships with other countries so deeply that the long-term ramifications of those effects are just beginning to be felt.

(Hint: Bradley made the decision to leak intel without following any guideline, process, or policy applicable to whistleblowing US Government employees or military personnel)

* The documents that are coming to light regarding the House investigation on events leading up to, during, and following the Benghazi incident – to my knowledge – have been brought to light as part of a legitimate Congressional investigation into claims made by whistleblowers whose careers and reputations have been besmirched by high-level politicians.

It’s as clear to me as the issue of what constitutes a lawful order in the military vs an unlawful one, or questioning the legality of the President declassifying information vs a low-level functionary, as two examples.

Or, put another way, it’s as different to me as night is to day.

-Wanderlust

Wanderlust on May 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

I think the differences between Bradley Manning’s actions and the actions of actual whistleblowers should be obvious at a glance. It shouldn’t really be necessary to explain. But you’re both very right.

I would just add that part of your training in both the Army and the Air Force — the two branches I’m familiar with — is on both the right and responsibility to be a “whistleblower” under the right circumstances. If you see fraud, waste, and abuse, you’re supposed to report it. If you see violations of the Law of Armed Conflict, you’re supposed to report it. If you see sexual harassment — and it does happen — you’re supposed to report it. If you can’t go through your chain of command for some reason, there’s always the Inspector General.

The clear line in all of these is that you do the right thing.

If your superiors are asking you to lie and cover up, then going over their head is the right thing to do.

Nothing in what Bradley Manning did meets that standard. The actions of the whistleblowers, like Hicks and Thompson, are good examples of that standard.

There’s no comparison.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Careful here, guys.

On this topic, everyone seems to want Manning to swing slowly and painfully for leaking high level government documents that proved to be embarrassing.

On another topic, everyone seems to be giddy with glee over the leak of high level government documents that proved be embarrassing. Can you say “CIA talking points revised 12 times by State Department”?

We’re supposed to cheer one instance of leaking, and declare another a treasonous act. Whats the standard?

Most swords have two edges
~BobMbx, 2013

BobMbx on May 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Manning did it for attention, not knowing what he had specifically or really who he was giving it to for what purpose. Isn’t Manning’s issue was that he was disgruntled?

The Benghazi “leaks” are for a specific issue. There is a purpose and that it to expose a coverup of gross negligence.

Now if Manning was po’d about something specific, then maybe. But he wasn’t. He was just an infant with an issue and didn’t care about the collateral damage and what specifically was in his theft.

Apples and oranges.

kim roy on May 11, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Wanderlust on May 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Should have kept reading. Thank you for stating it so much better than I could or did.

kim roy on May 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Kafkaesque

It’s been my experience that anyone who uses this term simply hasn’t enough intelligence to understand a complex but still logical situation, yet tries to cover his or her stupidity by claiming that nobody else can understand it either.

James on May 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM

It may be an Army court-martial and the Army may indeed not look lightly upon treason, but…

The Army has become a leader in replacing tradition and good order and discipline with political correctness.

Manning is gay and the Army is tip-toeing across the thin ice of political correctness. I would not be surprised if the Army found a way to let Manning go free if only to demonstrate just how politically correct it can be.

And the Army is not alone. The Air Force and Navy are also in a race to see who can become more politically correct. The Marine Corps may lag a bit in that race, but in the end the Marines will eventually be dragged across that PC finish line as it has with the issues of women and gays.

The military has long been the politicians laboratory for social experiments. But then again, the politicians don’t have to fight the wars they start; do they.

I served 21 years as a Marine infantry officer with three years in combat. Personally, I think the Services are all headed full speed over the politically correct cliff.

BMF on May 12, 2013 at 6:50 AM