Greenpeace founder worried that envirowhackos getting kind of whacky

posted at 2:31 pm on May 11, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

When I first caught wind of this story, I’ll confess that I was somewhat surprised to hear it, but at the same time, it reflected some thoughts I’ve had over the years myself. People involved in social movements of all stripes can start out with a genuine interest in doing something good, seeking to donate their time to make the world a better place in some small way. But as these movements grow, it’s not uncommon for them to begin to take a dark turn. Such seems to be the case with Greenpeace, at least in the view of the group’s founder.

Real Clear Energy wrote an interesting paragraph about the founder of Greenpeace and his views of modern environmentalists:

“As Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, explains, the ‘80s ushered in the age of environmental extremism. The basic issues, for which he and Greenpeace fought, had largely been accomplished, and the general public was in agreement with the primary message. In order for the environmentalists to remain employed, they had to adopt ever more extreme positions. Moore says: “What happened is environmental extremism. They’ve abandoned science and logic altogether.” Their message today is “anti:” anti-human, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-trade and globalization, anti-business and capitalism, and ultimately, anti-civilization.”

That’s a pretty frank admission, and one which activists would do well to consider. As Greenpeace become more and more radical in an attempt to remain relevant, stay in the headlines and attract support, they created a space for groups like the Environmental Liberation Front (who we’ve written about here before) to thrive. But as I said, the pattern crosses over into other areas.

One of the biggest examples, of course, is PETA. I’ve crossed swords with them in the past over things I’ve written, but the comparison is too obvious to ignore. I’ve worked with a number of animal welfare groups in my life, and there are so many of them which do such a great job helping pets. Local groups like the Animal Care Council run shelters to place cats in new homes, host spay and neutering clinics and rescue homeless animals. I imagine that PETA was probably like that in the beginning, but over the years they have become the face of radicalism, turning themselves into a running punchline and hurting other, legitimate groups doing actual good work in the same field.

Patrick Moore has apparently observed the same thing happen to the group he founded, and it’s made him sad. And that’s a loss for everybody.


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Moore is obviously right, but his views on this are at least a decade old. Penn and Teller’s Bullsh!t interviewed him way back in the early 2000s. I think it was the one where they got a enviro rally organizer to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. Check it out, great series/episode.

wte9 on May 11, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I’ve always felt the green movements morphed in the 80s from fairly reasonable proscriptions against fouling our own nest, into a faith based religious dogma.

Emotional based “Gaia” theories and such nonsense leading to ever more extreme positions.

The green movement needs a reformation and enlightenment period or it is doomed.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I think Moore’s been saying this for more than a few years, now. I remember stories about how he thought Greenpeace was overselling global warming at least two years ago.

That said, the founding of Greenpeace was sheer idiocy, itself, and Moore bears responsibility for unleashing these lunatics on society. The very idea of Greenpeace, to start – including the moronic and intentionally deceptive name (typical leftism at work) – was idiotic, destructive, anti-progress, and anti-human.

So, Moore reached his lunacy limit .. great. Glad to hear it. But he did tons of serious damage long before this. He could never make up for what he did in helping to found this despicable, lying scumbag organization. Greenpeace has just grown in exactly the way anyone with a brain could have predicted it would – though sadly it’s been far more influential than any sane society would have allowed.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 2:43 PM

As far as I’m concerned, you can take PETA, the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, et all; strip ‘em all naked and drop ‘em into the Amazon rain forest.

Then they’ll find first hand, how “nurturing” Mother Nature really is.

GarandFan on May 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The weekend NY vacuum. Shooting for a couple of hundred post by nightfall.

Got some redmeat?

wolly4321 on May 11, 2013 at 2:55 PM

That process always happens with advocacy groups which are successful. The NAACP is another example: their early fights, for end to apartheid, for hiring and housing equity, and for minority voting rights, have largely been won. In order to keep the contributions flowing they, too, have become increasingly radical and silly.

Steven Den Beste on May 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Moore was featured in the Channel 4 (UK) documentary “The Great Global Warming Swindle” that aired back in 2007. You can watch it here. Moore chimes in starting at the 40:49 min mark.

rcpjr on May 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

People involved in social movements of all stripes can start out with a genuine interest in doing something good, seeking to donate their time to make the world a better place in some small way. But as these movements grow, it’s not uncommon for them to begin to take a dark turn.

That is what happened to the Tea Party. They started out civil enough but morphed into a disrespectful mob of people unwilling to share.

arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

People involved in social movements of all stripes can start out with a genuine interest in doing something good, seeking to donate their time to make the world a better place in some small way.

That is NEVER true for leftist groups. All they ever want to do is control people and stop any industry or progress (unless it’s progress in sexual perversion or deforming society).

Leftists are NEVER out to do anything good. NEVER … which is why they need to be kept in their sandboxes and not allowed out to mess up the real world.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Every religion has its fanatics.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:12 PM

That is NEVER true for leftist groups. All they ever want to do is control people and stop any industry or progress (unless it’s progress in sexual perversion or deforming society).

Most leftists are well-meaning and fairly moderate in their beliefs.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

That is what happened to the Tea Party. They started out civil enough but morphed into a disrespectful mob of people unwilling to share.

Yeah, those Tea Party riots really turned people off.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Most leftists are well-meaning and fairly moderate in their beliefs.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

No, they aren’t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Most leftists are well-meaning and fairly moderate in their beliefs.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

That is why we just watched the dems run interference during the Benghazi hearings Thursday.

arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM

seems to me was early 80′s when we started hearing bad things about them. always wondered if others thought it was same time frame also.

dmacleo on May 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Moore has been saying this since the global warming idiocy reached crescendo in 1998-2000. He makes the obvious point that the most sustainable power source is nuclear and that will do much more for the environment than the wind mills of death and solar electrical generation which simply transfers manufacturing overseas and out of sight.

pat on May 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

No, they aren’t.

Are to!

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

That is why we just watched the dems run interference during the Benghazi hearings Thursday.

Don’t confuse partisanship and tribalism with ideology.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM

If these organizations took some cues from human-centered conservationists they could do a lot of good on behalf of the environment/animals. Look at Phil Robertson and Miss Kay and their extensive family (Duck Dynasty), they literally live off their private land. Nothing goes to waste, everything they gather, fish or hunt end up on the family dinner table. If they harmed their land there wouldn’t be anything to eat. They keep their family rooted with their common core faith. Happy, Happy, Happy!

PHILosophies – Family Funny Business

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1totidRew

Miss Kay’s Cookin’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-xbY0k8-U

eigafan on May 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Thing is, advocacy organizations (largely charitable groups) hardly ever disband when their original purpose is gone.
March of Dimes – started to wipe out dreaded polio. (Probably has something to do with why FDR is on the dime; I don’t know.) I’m old enough to remember the March of Dimes boards at check-outs in stores. Can I have a dime for the board, mommy?
So polio (at least in the US and most of the 1st-world countries is wiped out. Time to celebrate and disband, right? Not. On. Your. Life!
Too many people making a most comfortable living, and a fund-raising structure already in place. That took a lot of time and work!
So, just cast about for a new purpose, and this time keep it vague and fuzzy. Oh – “Working together for stronger, healthier babies.” Just the ticket – never measurable and never achievable. We’ll be around forever!

Well, at least they’re not spiking trees, burning SUVs or destroying lab research facilities…

Marcola on May 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Don’t confuse partisanship and tribalism with ideology.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Er … tribalism IS leftist ideology. They want to reduce all society to tribalistic nonsense. That is part and parcel of their collectivist idiocy. That is also a good part of their love for Democracy over Constitutionalism, as they want tribal powers to rule – also seen in their anti-Western and totally moronic idea that empathy is a legitimate main criterion for a judge or judicial decision (which is now official since Sotomayor’s ridiculous nomination and move to the SCOTUS was based on just that). BTW, to bring empathy anywhere into jurisprudence is in direct opposition to over three millenia of Western history and directly opposing the main foundation of Western jurisprudence. Empathy is for tribalists, which is exactly what leftists are – and that’s the few well-intentioned leftists.

I rest my case.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I always comment whenever PETA comes up: they are a kitten killing bunch of whackadoodle pet haters. They kill nearly every animal turned over to them, sometimes in the van used to pick the animal up. Founder Ingrid Newkirk has claimed to have euthanized a thousand animals with her own hands (sometimes while eating raw beef). Frutty as a nootcake.

Most of you guys probably know this, but I read it into the public record whenever I can.

S. Weasel on May 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Most leftists are well-meaning and fairly moderate in their beliefs.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Sleeper Cell Activation?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I’ve worked with a number of animal welfare groups in my life, and there are so many of them which do such a great job helping pets.

Doing the day to day grunt is hard and unglamorous. And there are few unfilled niches. Where is the young idealist full of spit and vinegar to go? How can she make a name for herself? Why, topless protests, of course. It’s good for a headline or three.

Fenris on May 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

In order for the environmentalists to remain employed, they had to adopt ever more extreme positions

Not just the non-profit advocacy elements of the movement but also the industries they have spawned. I work where part of the area was designated a superfund site due to dichromate put into the soil during the early 60′s it contaminated the ground water so a company was hired to dig wells and clean the ground water up. Has been on site for several decades now. Well, all the water is now clean of the original pollutant, so it’s time to thank the company, close up shop and move on, right? Oh no, can’t have that, so this company has now been contracted to drill and search for some other “pollutant” that also happens to be a heart medication and is present in many common food products. The sensitivity to which the search is being conducted is on the order of single parts per billion, natural occurrence is on the order of parts per million. Apparently they did this earlier for another pollutant to filter out as well. Once a “business” has been created, it will find a means to continue to exist.

AZfederalist on May 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Moore says: “What happened is environmental extremism. They’ve abandoned science and logic altogether.” Their message today is “anti:” anti-human, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-trade and globalization, anti-business and capitalism, and ultimately, anti-civilization.”

Hey you broke it pal, you bought it.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

That’s a pretty frank admission, and one which activists would do well to consider. As Greenpeace become more and more radical in an attempt to remain relevant, stay in the headlines and attract support, they created a space for groups like the Environmental Liberation Front (who we’ve written about here before) to thrive. But as I said, the pattern crosses over into other areas.

One of the biggest examples, of course, is PETA. I’ve crossed swords with them in the past over things I’ve written, but the comparison is too obvious to ignore.

The radicalization of the special interest groups involves two types of people — those who know exactly what they’re doing, and simply seek to use these groups to cover their general hatred of Western Civilization in general and capitalism in particular. Those are the watermelons. The other type are the ones who are out to prove that whatever their pet project is (the Earth, the Animals, the indigenous populations of wherever), they care more about it than you ever will gawdammit, and they’re going to prove they’re higher forms of life than the mindless uncaring rabble out in the hinterlands.

Group 1 steers the actions, and Group 2 mindlessly goes along, thinking they’re actually doing something positive by trashing research labs or blowing up car dealerships. And, just as the sympathetic big media allowed the current White House scandals to fester because they refused to investigate them when the first reports cropped up, they won’t investigate the radical special interest groups, either, because they’re in general sympathy with their cause (as long as it doesn’t negative affect their own personal lifestyles, of course).

jon1979 on May 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I think it was the one where they got a enviro rally organizer to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

wte9 on May 11, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So what’s your point? We SHOULD ban DHMO. It is demonstrably lethal if you breathe it. And if you get it on you, you can’t shower it off. Showering only makes it worse.

The Rogue Tomato on May 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

The feds have waived penalties for harming condors by wind farms and certain favored developers. No such waiver for oil companies.

Another reason they won’t let go: crony environmentalism.

PattyJ on May 11, 2013 at 4:51 PM

For the record, I’ve now had two published articles where PETA contacted us threatening legal action. I guess I’m just a troublemaker.

Jazz Shaw on May 11, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Dressing up as butterflies and corn cobs outside my workplace endeared them to me 4eva.

tom daschle concerned on May 11, 2013 at 4:54 PM

For the record, I’ve now had two published articles where PETA contacted us threatening legal action. I guess I’m just a troublemaker.

Jazz Shaw on May 11, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Well duh, that’s what they are best at, isn’t it?

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Agree. Greenpeace has always been a communist front organization.

He makes the obvious point that the most sustainable power source is nuclear

pat on May 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Then why did Greenpeace always protest and attack nuclear subs and carriers back in the 80s/90s?

Most leftists are well-meaning and fairly moderate in their beliefs.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Uh. No. Most useful ignoramuses are. Most leftists think that if we just let them run the world, everything would be ok. But it has to be them running the world.

GWB on May 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Moore says: “What happened is environmental extremism. They’ve abandoned science and logic altogether.” Their message today is “anti:” anti-human, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-trade and globalization, anti-business and capitalism, and ultimately, anti-civilization.”

…so he is describing the Democrats and everybody connected to the White House…and?

KOOLAID2 on May 11, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I think it was the one where they got a enviro rally organizer to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

wte9 on May 11, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So what’s your point? We SHOULD ban DHMO. It is demonstrably lethal if you breathe it. And if you get it on you, you can’t shower it off. Showering only makes it worse.

The Rogue Tomato on May 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Yep, and it can build up in your body to dangerous levels.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 5:59 PM

The Prodigal son.

Chickens have come home to roost.

Anyway this is how people are. And that is why we have laws and in our case the venerable The Constitution, but these groups and the left have no understanding of it.

Or they detest it.

Once again we use our freedom to lose our freedom.

It’s an old old story of mankind.

But this time the nation with the most freedom in history is the one losing it.

Freedom doesn’t come cheap or easy.

Woe is us.

Sherman1864 on May 11, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I think it was the one where they got a enviro rally organizer to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

wte9 on May 11, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So what’s your point? We SHOULD ban DHMO. It is demonstrably lethal if you breathe it. And if you get it on you, you can’t shower it off. Showering only makes it worse.

The Rogue Tomato on May 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Yep, and it can build up in your body to dangerous levels.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 5:59 PM

the worst part is its so damned wet too.

dmacleo on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

This is an interesting argument.

What would the environmentalists do if they got everything they’re asking for now? Stop or adopt a more extreme position?

Karmashock on May 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Not all “lefties” are criminal fascists or ordinary con men.
Many are just stupid and/or suckers.

As a constitutionalist, I hold some “liberal” views. What is more liberal than “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”?
That word has been hijacked.

S. D. on May 11, 2013 at 6:23 PM

This is an interesting argument.

What would the environmentalists do if they got everything they’re asking for now? Stop or adopt a more extreme position?

Karmashock on May 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Given that they get 98% of what they have asked for, I think it’s obvious that their answer is to get more extreme. The air, water, food, and the land in the USA have never been more pollution free and pure than they are today, so they have had to literally invent new pollutants, -CO2.

We see this same phenomenon in the race grievance industry. Those that make a living, like Jesse Jackson, Al Shlapton, etc, make a damn good living doing what they do, and over the years they have had to force themselves into pretzels to find racism in America. So much so that they themselves have become racists.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

If these organizations took some cues from human-centered conservationists they could do a lot of good on behalf of the environment/animals. Look at Phil Robertson and Miss Kay and their extensive family (Duck Dynasty), they literally live off their private land. Nothing goes to waste, everything they gather, fish or hunt end up on the family dinner table. If they harmed their land there wouldn’t be anything to eat. They keep their family rooted with their common core faith. Happy, Happy, Happy!

PHILosophies – Family Funny Business

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1totidRew

Miss Kay’s Cookin’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-xbY0k8-U

eigafan on May 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Makes me think a little. The environmentalists we’re thinking of in context don’t think people can be trusted with their own land, as opposed to people that believe themselves ultimately responsible for their own land. All of which sounds really familiar.

Axe on May 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

“As Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, explains, the ‘80s ushered in the age of environmental extremism. The basic issues, for which he and Greenpeace fought, had largely been accomplished, and the general public was in agreement with the primary message. In order for the environmentalists to remain employed, they had to adopt ever more extreme positions. Moore says: “What happened is environmental extremism. They’ve abandoned science and logic altogether.” Their message today is “anti:” anti-human, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-trade and globalization, anti-business and capitalism, and ultimately, anti-civilization.”

It seems plausible, but isn’t it another explanation that all those ending places, the anti-human, anti-civilization ending places, were always the destination for many of the members? Maybe the walking of these organizations from softer positions to harder positions has more to do with the personal beliefs of the members, and the growth of the members’ frustrations, than any self-serving directors.

Axe on May 11, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Moore was featured in the Channel 4 (UK) documentary “The Great Global Warming Swindle” that aired back in 2007. You can watch it here. Moore chimes in starting at the 40:49 min mark.

rcpjr on May 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I show this movie to my biology class after we study ecology & climate science. I also show it after they watch Gore’s POS slide show.

Badger40 on May 11, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Heck, he said the same thing to a group I work for three years ago. It’s one of the main reasons he quit. The group he started went in a completely different direction.

uniclone on May 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM

As far as I’m concerned, you can take PETA, the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, et all; strip ‘em all naked and drop ‘em into the Amazon rain forest.

Then they’ll find first hand, how “nurturing” Mother Nature really is.

GarandFan on May 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Better yet, into Antarctica, where they will experience the bounty of global warming.

Steve Z on May 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM

This is an interesting argument.

What would the environmentalists do if they got everything they’re asking for now? Stop or adopt a more extreme position?

Karmashock on May 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Literally? Civilization requires energy. The vast majority of them, along with the rest of us, would die because civilization would collapse. The remaining wouldn’t be telling anybody about their political positions because there would be no mass media to do it on.

Fenris on May 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM

That is what happened to the Tea Party. They started out civil enough but morphed into a disrespectful mob of people unwilling to share.

arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

That’s the unified liberal media take on them so it has to be true.

unclesmrgol on May 11, 2013 at 9:14 PM

So what’s your point? We SHOULD ban DHMO. It is demonstrably lethal if you breathe it. And if you get it on you, you can’t shower it off. Showering only makes it worse.

The Rogue Tomato on May 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

That stuff should be regulated like the potent greenhouse gas it is. I even hear that there are parts of the country where, when you turn on the tap, that stuff comes out you faucet!!

WryTrvllr on May 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM

We see this same phenomenon in the race grievance industry. Those that make a living, like Jesse Jackson, Al Shlapton, etc, make a damn good living doing what they do, and over the years they have had to force themselves into pretzels to find racism in America. So much so that they themselves have become racists.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Oh yea!

$$$$$

On race and every other lefty crusade, however, don’t leave out MSNBC and the left’s electronic and print propaganda networks. Remember the inflammatory treatment of news and brainwashing in events like the Zimmerman case. I am now waiting for the weather channel to go full tilt environmental nutty and chase ratings while selling climate change terror.

IlikedAUH2O on May 12, 2013 at 1:20 AM

If you are going to set up an organization to achieve it’s goal and disband it is vitally important that nobody gets paid.In fact they should have to contribute funds to the organization.

Slowburn on May 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Patrick Moore has been saying this for more than 10 years now. He was on Penn & Teller’s BS! show in 2003 saying nearly these exact same things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJIwxAdy_I

Someday, I hope enough people hear about this. Most people who claim to be “environmentalists” don’t even know his name.

DakRoland on May 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Don’t know how but my post appeared in the Ecuador thread.

Russ808 on May 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM