Breaking: Senior IRS officials knew of targeting conservative groups in 2011; Update: IRS chief counsel knew in 2011

posted at 3:58 pm on May 11, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

This changes the dynamic in two ways:

A federal watchdog’s upcoming report says senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups in 2011.

The disclosure contradicts public statements by former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who repeatedly assured Congress that conservative groups were not targeted. ….

That report says the head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups learned that groups were being targeted in June 2011. It does not say whether Shulman was notified.

Yesterday, the IRS claimed that this only happened in one office in just 2012, and that only lower-level officials were involved.  This report from the Associated Press refutes both of those claims — and adds yet another damning example to a growing list of misleading and false statements from the Obama administration.

Let’s go back to yesterday’s admission:

Lois G. Lerner, the IRS official who oversees tax-exempt groups, said the “absolutely inappropriate” actions by “front-line people” were not driven by partisan motives.

Rather, Lerner said, they were a misguided effort to come up with an efficient means of dealing with a flood of applications from organizations seeking ­tax-exempt status between 2010 and 2012.

Lerner’s statement gave the clear impression that the IRS only just learned about this, and that the actions were by rogue agents without enough supervisory control.  The AP’s report on the upcoming Treasury IG’s report is that it will demonstrate that “senior officials” knew about this more than a year earlier — while Shulman was telling Congress that nothing of the sort was going on.

If the IG report substantiates this, then the questions will really start flying for the Obama administration.  Why would senior IRS officials remain silent while their agents illegally targeted conservative non-profits with their knowledge? Was it because they were ordered to make it happen?  Most government bureaucrats don’t go that far out of their way to innovate, especially in a legal landmine area such as this.  And I’d suspect that “senior officials” wouldn’t climb out on that limb unless pressed on it, too.

Hey, maybe this is why there were no disciplinary actions, huh?

Anyone still buying that this wasn’t driven by partisan motives? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Update: More from the AP, including a huge problem for Lerner and Shulman:

The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.

But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog’s report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with “Tea Party,” ”Patriot” or “9/12 Project” in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says. …

On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, “political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement,” the report says.

While this was happening, several committees in Congress were writing IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman to express concern because tea party groups were complaining of IRS harassment.

In Shulman’s responses, he did not acknowledge targeting of tea party groups. At a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, Shulman was adamant in his denials.

“There’s absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people” who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing.

Lerner’s going to look like a liar.  Shulman might end up facing charges of lying to Congress and perhaps obstruction as well.  It probably won’t end there, either.

Update: John Hinderaker notes the convenience of discovering this now rather than before the election:

So the harassment of conservative groups began much earlier than the IRS told us yesterday, when the agency’s spokesman said the improper conduct occurred “during the 2012 election.” As I wrote yesterday, I was skeptical about that since I had heard of the targeting of Tea Party groups by the IRS well before the 2012 campaign season.

It now appears that this is one more scandal that the Obama administration managed to keep quiet until after November’s election. One wonders how many more skeletons will come tumbling out of the closet, now that Obama is safely re-elected.

It’s still going to be a massive political problem for Obama, with a Congressional probe now all but guaranteed as yet another set of false talking points collapses.

Update: How big of a deal is abusing the tax system to gain an advantage over the political opposition? Don’t forget that it was one of the charges in the Watergate articles of impeachment:

Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

  1. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

That doesn’t make Obama guilty of the actions, but it does demonstrate the seriousness of the violation — and the fact that the Obama administration tried to shortstop the IG report with yesterday’s dog-and-pony show also demonstrates just how bad they know this will be.

Update: A quote from the Nixon tapes about using the IRS against Nixon’s opponents — “There’s a lot of gold in them thar hills. … Are we looking into Muskie’s returns?”

Update: I missed this earlier, but the IG report will accuse the chief counsel of the IRS of knowing that the targeting was taking place, and saying nothing:

Among the other revelations, on Aug. 4, 2011, staffers in the IRS’ Rulings and Agreements office “held a meeting with chief counsel so that everyone would have the latest information on the issue.”

On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, “political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement,” the report says.

Hmmm.  Why would a chief counsel remain silent on such a development?

Update: Another point: if the chief counsel knew about this in August 2011, how likely would it have been that IRS Commissioner Shulman would have been unaware of it when he testified before Congress in March 2012?  I think it’s time for Shulman to find a very good lawyer and start looking to make a deal.

Update: William Jacobson reminds us (along with Daniel Drezner) that the IRS is now also the enforcer for ObamaCare.  Nothing to worry about there, though … right?

Update: Hey, here’s a good question:

Remember how much Harry Reid was mouthing off about tax returns?  Did the White House feed him some inside information, or did the IRS?


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It has long been my theory that at some point the survival instinct kicks in and a desire to continue the business will break through the dogma. Well… it only took the AP getting dropped by several papers but better late than never.

The AP reporting on this is a good reason to back McCain’s attempt to break up cable bundling. Let capitalism tame the media.

Theworldisnotenough on May 11, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Don’t give the AP too much credit. The only reason they’re reporting on this is because the report is coming out, and Obama’s thugs are trying to get in front of the story. There’s no way in hell they would have taken any initiative to report this on their own.

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Obama is a tyrant…

It is official now. He has gone past Nixon, and in fact is more dangerous because much of the MSM, the entertainment industry, etc, is backing him and covering for him.

He is getting into Caesar territory. It was the example of Caesar that most worried the founding fathers. A man who would use his power to destroy the Republic…and Obama is trying his hardest to do that, thankfully Obama is lazier and dumber than Caesar is, but let this be a warning however because next time it might work.

The presidents powers must be limited and returned back to the legislative branch and the states even if that means a future Republican president will be limited as well. This is why I was not a fan of some of the things GWB did, it basically gave tools to this current nitwit to do great damage to our country and liberty.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 5:42 PM

You and I know that Obama passed Nixon way back, but the MSM can maybe now see the comparison.

esr1951 on May 11, 2013 at 5:38 PM

I wouldn’t hold my breath for the MSM to do anything but defend Barky.

Still, to me, there’s absolutely no comparison between Barky and Nixon. That would be like comparing being bitten in half by a shark to getting a bee sting.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM

He didn’t know ?

Why do you think IRS did it then ?

burrata on May 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

there may be Republican agents within the IRS who wanted to hurt Obama.

O’bama Cheering Section on May 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM

there’s no evidence he was aware of it happening.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Where is that buck? I don’t see it? Anyone see the buck?

CW on May 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM

They had an entire unit just focused on illegally surveilling Martin Luther King, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, SNCC and the Panthers. This is nothing….

libfreeordie on May 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

And what they found was that MLK and the others were indeed chatting with communists and anarchists. They were not innocents being persecuted by the government without reason. And while on the subject, Rosa Parks’ act of defiance was as spontaneous as that attack on the consulate in Benghazi.

Grow up, learn the real history of this stuff or STFU. The choice is yours.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 5:48 PM

libfreeordie on May 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Good little toady…talk it away. Funny you’d think , as injured as you were , that you’d be the first to support these groups that were targeted….but no…you tow the line for Big Govt. , Go suck a d8ck.

CW on May 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Wow. Just wow…

MSNBC Guests: Benghazi Scandal Makes White House ‘Look Terrible,’ Possibly An ‘Impeachment Issue’

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM

The left knows that they have a firestop with the Senate. The House can impeach but the Senate will not vote to remove.

The reason why Nixon resigned was he knew that he’d have been removed from office. It is possible that the House would impeach but the rat-eared coward will never be removed from office by the Senate in its current configuration.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Remember last weekend, when everyone was saying what a bad week it had been for the White House?

Yeah. Good times.

I said it before. I mean it even more now.

Time to tear down the IRS. Brick. By. Brick.

Chris of Rights on May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Yes. IRS activities should be contracted out to accounting firms on a state-by-state basis.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 5:55 PM

you can’t tie this to Obama. there’s no evidence he was aware of it happening.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

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That is his problem, Obama is not aware of anything is he…

SO either he is aware and thus is a criminal (and a tyrant) OR he is not and thus is one of the most incompetent presidents in U.S. history.

Obama has in the last week:

(1) Blamed the Russians intelligence services for the Boston Bombing

(2) Blamed the GOP, Romney and the CIA for Benghazi

(3) Blamed low down people in the IRS who remain unnamed.

What does Obama do when he is working? Playing with his putter?

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 5:55 PM

the IRS already apologized

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

For good reasons the TEA party has not accepted, nor should accept a stupid apology.

Thugs get away with murders and just apologize.

Schadenfreude on May 11, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Grow up, learn the real history of this stuff or STFU. The choice is yours.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Can I choose “STFU” for $1,000 Alex.

VegasRick on May 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Obama is the “smartest president,evah, and the Three Monkeys of Oblivion” — paraphrased from VorDaj

This is your problem HA union trolls.

Schadenfreude on May 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Playing with his putter?

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Only in nonparisian’s dreams.

CW on May 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Seems as if there was a lot of things going on just before the last presidential election…wonder what else we don’t know about yet..?

d1carter on May 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM

there may be Republican agents within the IRS who wanted to hurt Obama.

O’bama Cheering Section on May 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The tinfoil is strong with this one…

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Barack Hussein Obama: Fundamentally transforming the country, one scandal at a time.

Dusty on May 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Now we have the scandal that distracts from the real problem the administration is worried about. This will effectively remove Benghazi from the front page. The MSM is obliging nicely. Wonder if this was what the “off-the-record” meeting was about.

dirtseller on May 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

He didn’t know ?
Why do you think IRS did it then ?

burrata on May 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

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there may be agents within the IRS who wanted to aid Obama. that still doesn’t mean Obama was aware of it.

nonpartisan
on May 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

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Yup, it’s the old “plausible deniability” strategy.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Remember how much Harry Reid was mouthing off about tax returns? Did the White House feed him some inside information, or did the IRS?

Both

burrata on May 11, 2013 at 6:08 PM

there’s no evidence he was aware of it happening.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Harvard boy—-you like the cut of my big?….snickers.

arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Now we have the scandal that distracts from the real problem the administration is worried about. This will effectively remove Benghazi from the front page. The MSM is obliging nicely. Wonder if this was what the “off-the-record” meeting was about.

dirtseller on May 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Also a distraction from the ramming of Shamnesty through the senate.

Wethal on May 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Yup, it’s the old “plausible deniability” strategy.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM

so, what, you think Obama was aware of this going on and okayed it?

are you dense? even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man, for political purposes alone, he wouldn’t have wanted to be connected to any IRS targeting, as its bound to come out

would’ve been one hell of a risk to take for a tiny payoff

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

there may be agents within the IRS who wanted to aid Obama. that still doesn’t mean Obama was aware of it.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

For shame calling the president ignorant.

chemman on May 11, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Lerner said, ‘That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate.”

She failed to mention that it was absolutely illegal.

J Baustian on May 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

That was not my point. On Wednesday, MSNBC ran ZERO minutes of live coverage of the hearing and even yesterday morning, its presenters were claiming Benghazi was a big nothingburger. How fast they have changed.

I know that the Senate is a backstop. I’ve REPEATEDLY – on this site and others – pointed out the futility of impeaching Obama in the House. If only 45 Senators voted to convict and remove Clinton for perjury and 50 for obstruction of justice, it is patently obvious that Democrats will NEVER vote to convict and remove the first black President…unless he slits Michelle’s throat on live television and that’s still a ‘maybe.’

Barry Goldwater and two other GOP ‘statesmen’ went to Nixon and told him to resign; otherwise, he would be convicted and removed and would destroy the Republican party. There are no Goldwater, et al, counterparts in the Democratic Party. They do not care how many legal eggs have to be broken to make a good, Socialist omelet.

Nevertheless, there has been a discernible shift in media’s attitude.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Rumor has it that he has pretty good ball handling skills.

VegasRick on May 11, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Well, I did hea…..

Never mind.

katy the mean old lady on May 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM

even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man,

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Kid, I don’t have to “assume” that.

katy the mean old lady on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

So you think the IRS’ job to find and hunt down political opponents. And are okay with this.

Interesting.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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the IRS could claim they legitimately believed those groups were most likely to commit tax violations…since tea party is built on revolting against taxes

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

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I haven’t checked all of the comments to see anyone else beat me to this point ….. OUR WHOLE COUNTRY … THE US of A, “IS BUILT ON REVOLTING AGAINST TAXES.”
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burrata on May 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

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Implementing Radical Socialism.

the_nile on May 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

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They both work. : )

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

so, what, you think Obama was aware of this going on and okayed it?

are you dense? even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man, for political purposes alone, he wouldn’t have wanted to be connected to any IRS targeting, as its bound to come out

would’ve been one hell of a risk to take for a tiny payoff

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

So you are saying Obama is an idiot.

I am fine with that explanation as well.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

so, what, you think Obama was aware of this going on and okayed it?

O

Ofcourse not, Hussein was the one who ordered it and then used the info to blackmail Romney

are you dense?

You say that about Dingy Harry, right ?

even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man, for political purposes alone, he wouldn’t have wanted to be connected to any IRS targeting, as its bound to come out

Hussein being a craven man is not an assumption, it is a well known, proven and established fact. He is connected to the IRS vendetta against American patriots and he counts on the media to cover up his crimes.

would’ve been one hell of a risk to take for a tiny payoff
nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

No one ever accused Idi Amin of being a wise strategist either. He too never cared about the risk factors, dictators never do

burrata on May 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

So you are saying Obama is an idiot.

I am fine with that explanation as well.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

how dare you? how dare you!

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Yup, it’s the old “plausible deniability” strategy.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM

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so, what, you think Obama was aware of this going on and okayed it?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

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Yup.
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are you dense?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

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Occasionally.
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even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man, for political purposes alone, he wouldn’t have wanted to be connected to any IRS targeting, as its bound to come out

would’ve been one hell of a risk to take for a tiny payoff

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

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What risk ? ! ! …… He has PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
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Unless some “Deep Throat” comes forward with irrefutable evidence, he can’t be tied to it.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

would’ve been one worthwhile risk to take to win reelection

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Fixed.

We know know that Dear Leader was willing to deliberately lie about the Benghazi 9/11 attack, solely to win reelection. You’re the only one here who remains incurious about that. That was a hell of a risk too.

Now wipe your chin off and re-adjust your O’bama Kneepads.

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

You are hilarious.

M240H on May 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I hope this is the beginning of the end of the IRS.

FloatingRock on May 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

how dare you? how dare you!

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Now flap you arms harder and you might get enough lift to fly the fk away.

arnold ziffel on May 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Nevertheless, there has been a discernible shift in media’s attitude.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

As much as I respect you, I’ve got to disagree.

Any shift (and it is discernible) is because the facts are making it impossible for them to do so. It is not because of an attitudinal change. The media is still in the tank for the rat-eared coward as they have always been. But there comes a point when they can’t ignore truth without it becoming laughable.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

So you are saying Obama is an idiot.

I am fine with that explanation as well.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

(screams, jumps up and down, and starts shouting “No! No! No!”)

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Nevertheless, there has been a discernible shift in media’s attitude.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Now that is as masterful a bit of understatement as I’ve seen in a long time. It’s a miracle they didn’t give themselves whiplash with the speed and suddenness of that 180.

If they’re going to pivot back to Benghazi to run cover for this story, they must be beside themselves with fear over what’s yet to come, and what this could mean for their precious Dear Reader.

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

So you are saying Obama is an idiot.

I am fine with that explanation as well.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

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how dare you? how dare you!

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

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Obama is an idiot.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

What more do we need? Impeach the pathetic excuse for a President.

Jack_Burton on May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

How many new agents are being hired to enforce ObamaCare…?
And all those brown shirts that will need to be purchased…

d1carter on May 11, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Nevertheless, there has been a discernible shift in media’s attitude.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

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Now that is as masterful a bit of understatement as I’ve seen in a long time. It’s a miracle they didn’t give themselves whiplash with the speed and suddenness of that 180.

If they’re going to pivot back to Benghazi to run cover for this story, they must be beside themselves with fear over what’s yet to come, and what this could mean for their precious Dear Reader.

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

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D I T T O S.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:33 PM

What more do we need? Impeach the pathetic excuse for a President.

Jack_Burton on May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

what more do you need? a shred of evidence somehow actually connecting any of this to President Obama. Right now, all you’ve got is alot of conspiracy theories and hot air

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

This may sound crazy but I had a thought that Obama told the IRS to apologize and get this story out there so it can split the republicans on the investigations…Bengazi is getting fast and furious so why not split up the scandals

sadsushi on May 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

This may sound crazy but I had a thought that Obama told the IRS to apologize and get this story out there so it can split the republicans on the investigations…Bengazi is getting fast and furious so why not split up the scandals

sadsushi on May 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

it does sound crazy

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

IRS inquisition update: Jewish groups, too?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/348013/irs-inquisition-update

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

what more do you need? a shred of evidence somehow actually connecting any of this to President Obama. Right now, all you’ve got is alot of conspiracy theories and hot air

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

They were ready to impeach Nixon for far less. Dumbass.

gryphon202 on May 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Defend, defend, defend. Ooh, ooh but I love me some of that Cruz….ya, right. Liar.

BeachBum on May 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

What more do we need? Impeach the pathetic excuse for a President.

Jack_Burton on May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

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what more do you need? a shred of evidence somehow actually connecting any of this to President Obama. Right now, all you’ve got is alot of conspiracy theories and hot air

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

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Yup, there won’t be any evidence ….. “plausible deniability”.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

so, what, you think Obama was aware of this going on and okayed it?

are you dense? even assuming for a moment that he was a purely craven man, for political purposes alone, he wouldn’t have wanted to be connected to any IRS targeting, as its bound to come out

would’ve been one hell of a risk to take for a tiny payoff

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

So you are saying Obama is an idiot.

I am fine with that explanation as well.

William Eaton on May 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I agree, but I would have said affirmative action idiot.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

nonpartisan,

When the head of a Fereral Agency says, “Yea. We did it.” That’s not a conspiracy. That’s a fact. When the US Government blames a Muslim Terrorist attack on our embassy on a youtube video which no one has seen, that’s a lie.

And, we they were trying to blame the Boston Marathon Bombing on the Teat Party, that was a conspiracy.

Class dismissed…child.

kingsjester on May 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

This may sound crazy

sadsushi on May 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Not crazy at all considering the there is a report about to say this very thing. Why do you suppose the partisan IRS whore in charge of tax exempt organizations admitted wrong doing at a DC conference now?

This is damage control.

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM

This may sound crazy but I had a thought that Obama told the IRS to apologize and get this story out there so it can split the republicans on the investigations…Bengazi is getting fast and furious so why not split up the scandals

sadsushi on May 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

There’s no way Obama is going to come within a hundred million miles of getting his paws on this mess in any way that could conceivably become public without a lot (as in many, many years’ worth) of digging.

They know the Treasury IG report will be coming out very soon, and they wanted to get in front of the story. They probably knew their attempt to sneak it under the radar with the typical Friday afternoon news dump would fail, but figured it couldn’t hurt to try anyway.

And this gives them a few days to astroturf the hell out of the lefty/MSM blogs and news sites, float countless trial balloons and figure out which lies and spin tactics will work best to put the fire out, and then get together with the MSM to come up with a unified plan to put those talking points out there. Hell, they’re practically batting one thousand with this strategy, so why wouldn’t they think it’ll work once again?

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

nonpartisan,

When the head of a Fereral Agency says, “Yea. We did it.” That’s not a conspiracy. That’s a fact. When the US Government blames a Muslim Terrorist attack on our embassy on a youtube video which no one has seen, that’s a lie.

And, we they were trying to blame the Boston Marathon Bombing on the Teat Party, that was a conspiracy.

Class dismissed…child.

kingsjester on May 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

don’t you patronize me.

I don’t deny that the IRS did some targeting, that is a fact. I’m saying that this is somehow all Obama’s masterplan is the conspiracy until we have proof connecting him to it. capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Of course it started with Obama. Don’t be naive.

John the Libertarian on May 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM

This too shall pass. Like water off a duck’s back. Obama is “The One” after all.

rightConcept on May 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I think it’s time to re-visit ‘Fast and Furious’ while were at it…

Seven Percent Solution on May 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM

This too shall pass. Like water off a duck’s back. Obama is “The One” after all.

rightConcept on May 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I’m not so sure about this one going away…..

sandee on May 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

You spelled ‘capisce’ incorrectly, capisce?

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

dunce capish?

sandee on May 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

the IRS could claim they legitimately believed those groups were most likely to commit tax violations…since tea party is built on revolting against taxes

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

They were filing for tax status. They were new organizations.

How could they have filed taxes inappropriately?

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Who does the Director of the IRS answer to? Who does the Secretary of the Treasury answer to?

For you to be this dadgum naive, dense, or willfully stupid, you HAVE to be a child.

kingsjester on May 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

You spelled ‘capisce’ incorrectly, capisce?

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

‘Capish’ is obviously some high-falutin’ term that they only teach at Harvard Law
n Maintenance School.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Happy Nomad on May 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

‘Attitude’ may not have been the best word to use. They understand that they went far out on the thin, Obama limb and, now, reality has come along with a big saw.

If you watched Benghazi Jay’s briefing yesterday, you could actually see the shift. NOT ONE REPORTER WENT EASY ON HIM. That’s unheard of during the Age of Obama.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I don’t deny that the IRS did some targeting, that is a fact. I’m saying that this is somehow all Obama’s masterplan is the conspiracy until we have proof connecting him to it. capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Bush didn’t know about Abu Ghraib and it fell into his lap.

Discuss.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I’m not so sure about this one going away…..

sandee on May 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

If I were the IG in charge of preparing this report, I’d be calling Gerald Walpin right about now and asking him for any advice he may have for dealing with the crapstorm that’s fixing to come his way. Destroying the credibility of the investigators is just about the only chance they have of making this one go away.

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

don’t you patronize me.

You are onto something. You deserve nothing but contempt.

I don’t deny that the IRS did some targeting, that is a fact. I’m saying that this is somehow all Obama’s masterplan is the conspiracy until we have proof connecting him to it. capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

“Capish”? Like Batman or Superman? Those sorts of capes?

This isn’t Barky’s first foray into serious crime from the White House. It’s about his 70th. But, idiots such as you cheered him extorting money from BP from right in the Oval Office … YAY!! You loved his criminal methods of shoving BarkyCare througha nd then you cheered his insane defense of it … YAY!! You cheered his anti-American, repulsive, illegal campaign rally in Berlin for friggin GERMANS (not Americans, BTW) … YAY!! You supported his illegal firing of IGs who got too close to his criminal actions or those of his thug moron friends … YAY!! You rooted for his Fast & Furious offense to our Constitution and our nation, trying in one fell swoop to violate tons of American law, support foreign drug cartels and use all the chaos that followed to stomp all over Americans’ Constitutional right to keep and bear arms … YAY!!!

And on and on and on. You lowlifes cheered on all of Barky’s dismantling of America and hoped for more and more damage – laws be damned (as you idiots don’t care about law, anyway, as you think that empathy is the basis of jurisprudence and that a dictator should rule by whim – your own little retarded Sukarno to “put America into its place”).

You. Make. Me. Sick. I’m sure your father has said that to you on a number of occasions, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

IRS inquisition update: Jewish groups, too?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/348013/irs-inquisition-update

You know those Jooos, they are all thick as thieves, hang’n out, plottin’ together…haven’t you read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

I mean sure some’em are OK, Rahm and Zeke, but overall you just can’t trust’em.

JFKY on May 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I think it’s nice that nonpartisan is fine with government officials treating one group of people differently than the others and singling them out for persecution.

Governments do have the history of doing things like that. Too bad we have no recent history of this happening.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Bush didn’t know about Abu Ghraib and it fell into his lap.

Discuss.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Don’t skip the part that Abu Ghraib was a friggin joke … making the poor, little muzzies wear underwear on their heads – the horror!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Don’t skip the part that Abu Ghraib was a friggin joke … making the poor, little muzzies wear underwear on their heads – the horror!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Right… At least they got to keep their heads…

sandee on May 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM

‘Capish’ is obviously some high-falutin’ term that they only teach at Harvard Law
n Maintenance School.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

To paraphrase a certain ‘nonpartisan’ poster:

‘You’re just using that word to appear intellectual.’

lol

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Bush didn’t know about Abu Ghraib and it fell into his lap.

Discuss.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Don’t skip the part that Abu Ghraib was a friggin joke … making the poor, little muzzies wear underwear on their heads – the horror!!

It was TORTURE and Dick Cheney KNEW about it and so did Boooooosh…we shoudda impeached’em both!

This IRS “Scandal” that COMPLETELY different, and only sum kinda nut-bag would believe that there is any “there” to it…..

JFKY on May 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

If you watched Benghazi Jay’s briefing yesterday, you could actually see the shift. NOT ONE REPORTER WENT EASY ON HIM. That’s unheard of during the Age of Obama.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I didn’t see the briefing myself, but John Nolte at Breitbart tweeted a few times that Carney pretty much roflstomped them. He seemed to think that they were out of practice, and didn’t really have their hearts in it in the first place.

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Zero’s speech at OSU makes a lot more sense in light of this. He knew this was about to drop, and since the IRS will be the Obamacare thug agency, he goes all in with “you’ll hear people say bad things about government…they even say ‘tyranny’…”

The 2014 ads are gonna be AWESOME. Obamacare and its IRS thug agency will be THE issue of the campaign season. This scandal is what tyranny looks like. Exactly what it looks like. All those dems running for re-election, and they’ll have to defend the corrupt IRS and convince voters that, hey, the IRS is gonna do a swell job with Obamacare. You’ve got nothin’ to worry about. Nothin’ at all.

Yeah. Good luck with that.

Rational Thought on May 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

All of the sudden American media outlets are checking their tax returns…

d1carter on May 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I know people are not optimistic about the prospect of Obama being impeached and convicted, but consider this. If public sentiment turns against Obama strongly enough, suddenly the Senate race in 2014 becomes all about electing senators who will be willing to stand up to this corrupt administration and get Obama out of office. Depending on how this unfolds and how many more scandals are waiting to be brought to light, the reactionary wave against Obama could very conceivably surpass the Republican wave of 2010. Might there not be a few (at least) Dem senators desperate to prevent such a wave?

It still might be a stretch, but I think the Dems would be fools–if this thing gets bad enough–not to either go through with the impeachment/conviction process or to take Obama aside and push him to resign.

At some point–again, only if this gets bad enough–I think it will come down to whether Dems are willing to win the battle (keep Obama in office) and lose the election war (bye-bye Senate and, depending on the taint left by Obama, bye-bye dreams of a Dem president in 2016).

butterflies and puppies on May 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM

I think it’s nice that nonpartisan is fine with government officials treating one group of people differently than the others and singling them out for persecution.

Governments do have the history of doing things like that. Too bad we have no recent history of this happening.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

no, Im not fine with it. I said an investigation should be conducted and those responsible should be held accountable and fired

I’m just saying ppl here shouldn’t jump the gun and pin this on Obama with glee without any evidence connecting him to it

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

It’s not fair to describe Obama as Nixonian.

Nixon should from henceforth be described as “Obamanian.”

Good Solid B-Plus on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I don’t deny that the IRS did some targeting, that is a fact. I’m saying that this is somehow all Obama’s masterplan is the conspiracy until we have proof connecting him to it. capish?

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

The President is responsible for the proper operations of all government agencies and programs given to the Executive by Congress. The moment Obama became aware of it he needed to tell the American people, fire the head of the IRS and the Treasury BOTH as this is their responsibility.

By not doing so and by not counter-manding the changes to the examination of organizations that targets those groups that the IRS outlined the President is responsible for those activities that were taken. Further, he must press to have all those individuals involved put under investigation for violation of the law and violating the freedom of association of those groups, which are civil rights violations and worthy of jail time for those that drafted and APPROVED such changes.

If Obama does NOT do those things, which are expected of OTHER PRESIDENTS then, yes, Obama is tacitly accepting such activities and is now no longer unaware of them but supporting them by NOT exercising the Executive power to set things right.

Tacitly accepting the violation of citizen’s civil rights and not putting able prosecutors to work going after those responsible is a violation of the Oath of Office that he took.

The same needed to happen with F&F and all of its equivalents in DHS and the State Dept. It hasn’t. He then is culpable for running guns to Mexican drug cartels and the murders committed with those arms.

The same needs to happen with Benghazi as well, since that falls wholly under the Executive power.

It is not in what Obama has done, but what he hasn’t and what he is trying to sweep under the rug that is the problem. The murders of US government employees on the border with arms from F&F and the dead in Benghazi during the arms smuggling operation to move MANPADS from Libya to the ‘insurgents’ in Syria via Turkey. Those are areas of foreign policy and there are signed treaties about how arms are to be shipped, tracked and otherwise traded amongst Nations. Those are TREATY violations and violations of FEDERAL LAW as well. Where, oh where, are the prosecutions on these things? Where is the accountability? Why hasn’t the State Dept. had a clean sweep of those involved so that the actual truth of what went on can be seen? And why doesn’t Obama clearly state why his foreign policy seems to include the smuggling of arms to those HOSTILE to the US?

Those are actual ACTIVITIES that must have high level condoning of them. And for the arms smuggling from Libya that isn’t State Dept. as that is an actual foreign policy that a President must sign off on because it violates the laws he is under for the conduct of this Nation’s foreign affairs via signed Treaties.

Or doesn’t abiding by international law matter to you? How about federal law? Obama can’t get others to do this for him… and by not doing it his assent is given by his absence of denouncing it and prosecuting those involved even if it was PURE INCOMPETENCE. Do you really want a President who keeps INCOMPETENT PEOPLE in our government?

ajacksonian on May 11, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Class dismissed…child.

kingsjester on May 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

don’t you patronize me.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Gotta love it when they start pouting.

A+

Actually, jester wasn’t “patronizing” you so much as laughing at you.

Capisce?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

no, Im not fine with it. I said an investigation should be conducted and those responsible should be held accountable and fired

I’m just saying ppl here shouldn’t jump the gun and pin this on Obama with glee without any evidence connecting him to it

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Actually; you opened with “they already apologized” as a way to blow it off.

Now, you are probably waking up to the reality that the IRS has been sharing tax info with Obama and realize that there is fire here.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I disagree with Nolte. Carney’s answers were absurd…so absurd, in fact, that the faces of the press registered it.

Resist We Much on May 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Let’s hope yours is the majority opinion among people who watched it, then. :)

Gator Country on May 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I’m just saying ppl here shouldn’t jump the gun and pin this on Obama with glee without any evidence connecting him to it

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Harry Reid said he had friends that KNEW Romney was lying on his taxes. What if that friend was in the IRS; illegally sharing tax info with outside parties.

Shouldn’t we investigate this in light of new events?

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Capisce?

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Didn’t you mis-spell that, “Cap-eesh?”

I’m sure Non-partisan is all in favour of a THOROUGH investigation…one that takes upwards of 3 years or so…and then, when it recommends the firing of 3 low-level file clerks and a mid-level manager, everyone will go, “Huh, what? OH YEAH…” or IF it implicates higher-ups, Nonpartisan will be all, “That was SOOOOOOOOO yesterday.”

JFKY on May 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Now, you are probably waking up to the reality that the IRS has been sharing tax info with Obama and realize that there is fire here.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM

sharing tax info with Obama….care to back that up with evidence? a link to any article that substantiates that claim would be appreciated

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I’m just saying ppl here shouldn’t jump the gun and pin this on Obama with glee without any evidence connecting him to it

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

And; now we have the IRS enforcing Obamacare. How can anyone be certain their enforcement of this isn’t purely political?

Or, can we be sure anything they do isn’t for purely political reasons now?

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Harry Reid said he had friends that KNEW Romney was lying on his taxes. What if that friend was in the IRS; illegally sharing tax info with outside parties.

Shouldn’t we investigate this in light of new events?

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

reid was prob referring to the mormon church, whom they both belong to. and the mormon church would know about Mitt’s taxes.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Harry Reid said he had friends that KNEW Romney was lying on his taxes.

And that is ENTIRELY different…lying about Romney was a Gude Fax…it had to be done, and any way everyone does it, after all Romney told the biggest Liar, Liar Pants on Fire fib about Jeep and China, PoliFact or the WaPo said so…well at least until it turned out that it was true…but any way those are Bad Fax and cannot be used against the Light Worker, or you are just being a partisan meanie extremist.

JFKY on May 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM

sharing tax info with Obama….care to back that up with evidence? a link to any article that substantiates that claim would be appreciated

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

The IRS is just following thru on Obama’s campaign promise to audit his enemies.

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Is Reid, alledged pedophile, in control of anything?: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/11/Harry-Reid-Tea-Party-Has-Full-Control-Of-Senate-GOP

davidk on May 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

reid was prob referring to the mormon church, whom they both belong to. and the mormon church would know about Mitt’s taxes.

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

We don’t know this do we? Shouldn’t Reid be investigated to see if he obtained information illegally?

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

sharing tax info with Obama….care to back that up with evidence? a link to any article that substantiates that claim would be appreciated

How about Issa looking into it starting tomorrow and you and the likes of Oliver Willis support him in the investigation and oppose the Stonewalling by this Administration?

JFKY on May 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

lorien1973 on May 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

no, Im not fine with it. I said an investigation should be conducted and those responsible should be held accountable and fired

I’m just saying ppl here shouldn’t jump the gun and pin this on Obama with glee without any evidence connecting him to it

nonpartisan on May 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

What if the trail of “those responsible” does in fact lead to the very top? Will you give Dear Leader a pass then, or demand his resignation or impeachment? Or will you continue to make excuses for him?

And as I said upthread, among the first to call this scandal “Nixonian” were reporters in the Democrat Media, not conservatives here at Hot Gas. The first such reference came out Friday afternoon at 2 PM EDT on C-BS Radio “News”, when the N-Word was uttered by fill in anchor babe Pam Coulter. She was formerly a reporter for NPR. ABC Radio |News” used the exact same N-Word in their 2 PM newscast.

Their use of the N word is an admission that Nixon personally approved IRS spying, and an immediate conclusion that this new case goes all the way to the top as well. Thanks for playing!

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

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