Obama donors: Nixing the Keystone pipeline is comparable to Lincoln ending slavery, or something

posted at 4:01 pm on May 10, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

I have every suspicion that the Obama administration’s continued dilly-dallying has pretty much nothing to do with those stubbornly lingering and entirely ginned-up environmental concerns and everything to do with the symbolic importance wrongly placed upon the pipeline’s construction by certain deep-pocketed and powerful eco-radical groups. The green lobby has managed to turn an otherwise innocuous pipeline project, just like the many other pipelines already crisscrossing the country, into an epic and high-profile battle for ostensible climate justice — never mind that Canada’s tar sands are going to be developed and sold to someone regardless of the United States’ decision — and they have too much riding on it not to pressure the Obama administration in every way they know how.

It’s so important to them, in fact, that they feel President Obama’s decision is actually on par with one of his own favorite president’s most righteously world-changing decisions. …What the what?

A group of 150 major Democratic donors and clean energy investors have sent President Obama a letter urging him to deny a presidential permit to the Keystone XL pipeline, comparing the decision’s significance to Abraham Lincoln’s push to end slavery through a constitutional amendment.

The missive, which was sent by the group Thursday and was obtained by The Washington Post, emphasized Obama’s respect for Lincoln and suggested the controversial pipeline–which would transport heavy crude from Alberta to refineries on the Gulf Coast–marked a similar turning point in American history.

“He made one of the most important decisions of his presidency and for our nation when he decided that he would fight for the 13th Amendment to end slavery even if it took every
ounce of his political capital,” they wrote. “Your decision on Keystone may not be so weighty, but we believe it holds a comparable urgency and importance, not strictly as a pipeline decision but as a presidential choice that will signal a fundamentally new direction for our nation.”

May be less weighty”? You don’t say.

The group’s letter insists that the decision “is the biggest, most explicit statement you will make in this historic moment, the moment when American turns from denial to solutions — or fails to.” Okay, let’s talk about that. I have a lot of difficulty taking the environmentalist movement in general seriously when they flatly declare that we absolutely most “pivot away from fossil fuels and towards a clean energy future” (a.k.a., wind and solar or bust, and we don’t give a damn how reality-defying and economy-depressing that might be!). But then, they are often just as vociferously against natural gas development and hydraulic fracturing — and in case they missed the memo, natural gas is the largest factor in our lately reduced carbon emissions, which they proclaim is their ultimate goal. Even President Obama, albeit slowly and guardedly, is embracing natural gas as an actual and at least temporary solution to their proffered problem. What’s up with that?


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sure it is

phatfawzi on May 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM

I’ve said it before and Ill say it again.. Lincoln, the movie, was not a historical look at Lincoln… It was a love letter to and pop culture substantiation for Obama to ignore the law for personal righteousness…

Is like to see Republicans start using it for actual rights issues… Like gun control and property rights as see how far these open minded progressives accept the meme…

Skywise on May 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Well, it’s actually a step down from this type comparing pipelines to the holocaust.

You are all meme deniers!

MNHawk on May 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Drama Queen, thy name is statist.

jawkneemusic on May 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

So who gets to play Simon Legree? Geddy Lee?

cbenoistd on May 10, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Wacko birds of a feather fluke together

cornbred on May 10, 2013 at 4:12 PM

No the demise of the Obama presidency would be more like ending slavery.

redguy on May 10, 2013 at 4:12 PM

You cant deny Daryl Hannah looks good in handcuffs though….

hillsoftx on May 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Jackasses; soon enough Bark flushing the toilet will be equated with MLK crosses the Edmund Pettus Bridge.

Can we get on with the split already, it’s time to separate these azsholes from the everyone else.

Bishop on May 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

If there are any presidential candidates listening, nows your chance to shout:

“If Obama denies the Keystone pipeline, and I become the next President, the first thing I will do in office is approve that pipeline via Executive Order….day 1, minute 1 of my administration, so hang on America and Canada, I’m coming…..”

BobMbx on May 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

You cant deny Daryl Hannah looks good in handcuffs though…. hillsoftx on May 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Huh, I thought that was Pris.

Akzed on May 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Keep religion out of politics. Separation of Gaia church and state.

John the Libertarian on May 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I have a lot of difficulty taking the environmentalist movement in general seriously when they flatly declare that we absolutely most “pivot away from fossil fuels and towards a clean energy future” (a.k.a., wind and solar or bust, and we don’t give a damn how reality-defying and economy-depressing that might be!). But then, they are often just as vociferously against natural gas development and hydraulic fracturing — and in case they missed the memo, natural gas is the largest factor in our lately reduced carbon emissions, which they proclaim is their ultimate goal.

We all know the answer to that — the environmental movement never imagined the amount of natural gas that hydrofracing and horizontal drilling could pull out of the ground in the U.s. until it happened. That why up until about eight years ago, they felt perfectly safe in peddling the lines that they were perfectly happy to see companies drill for natural gas; it was just that evil dirty oil production that they had objections to.

As wind energy has grown in scope, if not in efficiency, you’re already starting to hear environmental protests over bird kills, and if solar or biofuels were to actually become economically viable energy sources generating money for private industry (as opposed to the government), you can be sure they’ll both become evil as well in the eyes of the environmental activists.

jon1979 on May 10, 2013 at 4:24 PM

“May be less weighty”? You don’t say.

Democrats are insane. Republicans are weak and stupid, but Democrats are flat-out insane. You’re right Erika, the mindless hypocrisy is astounding.

Keystone XL pipeline now! And no breaks whatsoever on domestic shale energy production.

Erika, I’m really glad that you and HA are keeping on top of these current energy issues because they are of vital importance. I know these issues aren’t sexy, and probably these threads don’t garner many comments or views, but it’s great that you’re staying on top of it anyway. Most Americans don’t realize how brutally and idiotically the Left in particular is screwing up our energy picture, and how much better our economy could be performing if we had sensible energy policies free from this interference.

WhatSlushfund on May 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Everyday is Selma. Every issue is somehow related to the amount of melanin in skin, oh, and lady parts. What a wonderful new country we live in.

juliesa on May 10, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Democrats are insane. Republicans are weak and stupid, but Democrats are flat-out insane. You’re right Erika, the mindless hypocrisy is astounding.

Keystone XL pipeline now! And no breaks whatsoever on domestic shale energy production.

Erika, I’m really glad that you and HA are keeping on top of these current energy issues because they are of vital importance. I know these issues aren’t sexy, and probably these threads don’t garner many comments or views, but it’s great that you’re staying on top of it anyway. Most Americans don’t realize how brutally and idiotically the Left in particular is screwing up our energy picture, and how much better our economy could be performing if we had sensible energy policies free from this interference.

WhatSlushfund on May 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM

^^Agree.

visions on May 10, 2013 at 4:35 PM

A group of 150 major Democratic donors and clean energy investors have sent President Obama a letter urging him to deny a presidential permit to the Keystone XL pipeline, comparing the decision’s significance to Abraham Lincoln’s push to end slavery through a constitutional amendment.

So, in order to avoid being slaves to those horrible greedy Canadians pouring doity tar sands on the fruited plains of Nebraska in Oga-lala-land, the left prefers that we be slaves to the Saudi princes, Iranian Ahma-jihads, Lula da Silvas, and Hugo Chavezes of the world.

Choose your masters, people! I vote for the Canadians!

Steve Z on May 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Of course it is. When China buys all the oil instead, they’ll burn it in such a way that it produces no pollution at all.

How? Ancient Chinese secret.

The Rogue Tomato on May 10, 2013 at 4:37 PM

pivot away from fossil fuels and towards a clean energy future” (a.k.a., wind and solar or bust, and we don’t give a damn how reality-defying and economy-depressing that might be!). But then, they are often just as vociferously against natural gas development and hydraulic fracturing

Crazy people rarely make any sense.

Deano1952 on May 10, 2013 at 4:42 PM

So, in order to avoid being slaves to those horrible greedy Canadians pouring doity tar sands on the fruited plains of Nebraska in Oga-lala-land, the left prefers that we be slaves to the Saudi princes, Iranian Ahma-jihads, Lula da Silvas, and Hugo Chavezes of the world.

Choose your masters, people! I vote for the Canadians!

Steve Z on May 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Nope, they want us to be their slaves, living in subsistence conditions, confined to “sustainable urban zones” while they are free to enjoy and do whatever they please on the King’s lands. Lands set aside for “conservation” and only to be used by the party elite.

Scratch a greenie, find a communist

AZfederalist on May 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM

What a bunch of rent-seeking asshats: Please Mr. president, let us keep suckling at the government teat! Don’t let those meanies in the private economy whip us!

MTF on May 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM

This whole Keystone thing has become nothing but a political power struggle between monied special interests. On the Keystone side, approving the pipeline would mean more money for one faction of Big Oil, but also would mean thousands of well-paid jobs for ordinary people with (let’s be honest) minimal impact on the environment. On the other side, denying approval would mean more money for another faction of Big Oil who depend on railroads and trucking and shipping to China (*cough* Warren Buffet et al*), who don’t really care about money but love, absolutely LOVE, their power to control everything. Obama is just a sock monkey with Soros’s hand up his ass.

RebeccaH on May 10, 2013 at 4:59 PM

When will we just declare Obama is the greatest leader to ever grace us with his presence? American history books should now start in 2009. The cult following of this failure has to make the fat kid in North Korea jealous.

Ellis on May 10, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Well, it’s actually a step down from this type comparing pipelines to the holocaust.

You are all meme deniers!

MNHawk on May 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

What? I had global er, climate change compared to Revelations and then some nuts tossed in nano technology to convince me years ago. Then it is easy to attack anyone who does not agree as being Satan or in league with him.

So comparing fossil fuel abandonment to the abolition of slavery, as august and heady as destroying that institution was, is actually a step down for a real environmentalist.

THE END OF THE WORLD!

It sells.

IlikedAUH2O on May 10, 2013 at 5:13 PM

As wind energy has grown in scope, if not in efficiency, you’re already starting to hear environmental protests over bird kills, and if solar or biofuels were to actually become economically viable energy sources generating money for private industry (as opposed to the government), you can be sure they’ll both become evil as well in the eyes of the environmental activists.

jon1979 on May 10, 2013 at 4:24 PM

You got it.

Its profit they don’t like.

BobMbx on May 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM

So does Warren Buffet play the short, fat, corrupt Lincoln?

He has invested plenty as a contributor and bundler for Barky and if Keystone Pipeline goes through his Union Pacific railroad loses big on oil transport and the huge purchase investment he has made of White House influence.

viking01 on May 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM

27 comments or bust

22044 on May 10, 2013 at 5:34 PM

So when are Black people going to raise a fuss about the comparison?? Jackson? NAACP? Sharpton?

GarandFan on May 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Look at the map of existing petroleum-product pipelines that criss-cross the USA, and tell me that one more is significant in some way.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Its profit people they don’t like.

BobMbx on May 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Especially people who aren’t living like medieval peasants. While the “environmentalists” live like medieval lords. Except with all the neat tech toys. (You know, the ones their dreamed-of pre-industrial Eden could never support.)

I used to be merely annoyed with these would-be genocidal, Gaia-worshiping, neo-Luddite lunatics. Now, I genuinely loathe them.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 10, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I deeply care about the environment like a “Gaia-worshipping neo-Luddite lunatic.” And despite the denials of some on the economic right, they really don’t take the environment seriously. Still, the opposition to the Keystone pipeline is so logically twisted to the point of insanity. The presumption seems to be that if we don’t build the pipeline, then magic unicorns will descend from the heavens and provide for all our energy needs. I know that the environmentalists response would be that I’m a right-wing lunatic. Meanwhile, I seem to be kicked out of that club because of my stance on abortion. I don’t know what to do or think. I feel guilty that I’m not spending as much time attacking the environmental movement for this Keystone insanity as do defending abortion here. I am not even sure what is a good forum to engage “environmentalists”.

thuja on May 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

And, of course, those enviro wacko nuts have given up driving a car, flying anywhere, running the AC or furnace, eating any food they didn’t produce themselves. Yeah, thought so.

Kissmygrits on May 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM

It funny how the slave party equate all their fantastical achievements to Lincoln or the civil rights movement.

djaymick on May 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

I wonder why …. * GRIN * …. I think we know

U.K. ‘Big Brother’ Wants Ability to Remotely Shut Off Fridges & Other Appliances During Brownouts

Aggie95 on May 10, 2013 at 11:33 PM

I know that the environmentalists response would be that I’m a right-wing lunatic. Meanwhile, I seem to be kicked out of that club because of my stance on abortion. I don’t know what to do or think. I feel guilty that I’m not spending as much time attacking the environmental movement for this Keystone insanity as do defending abortion here. I am not even sure what is a good forum to engage “environmentalists”.

thuja on May 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

You just need to realize that abortion is actually baby-killing. It’s so simple it’ll make your head hurt for a minute (before the horror kicks in).

But, then you’ll be able to join the rest of us here on the dark side. It’s quite nice. We have beer and we BBQ sometimes.

trigon on May 11, 2013 at 2:23 AM

I deeply care about the environment like a “Gaia-worshipping neo-Luddite lunatic.” And despite the denials of some on the economic right, they really don’t take the environment seriously. Still, the opposition to the Keystone pipeline is so logically twisted to the point of insanity. The presumption seems to be that if we don’t build the pipeline, then magic unicorns will descend from the heavens and provide for all our energy needs. I know that the environmentalists response would be that I’m a right-wing lunatic. Meanwhile, I seem to be kicked out of that club because of my stance on abortion. I don’t know what to do or think. I feel guilty that I’m not spending as much time attacking the environmental movement for this Keystone insanity as do defending abortion here. I am not even sure what is a good forum to engage “environmentalists”.

thuja on May 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

“Deeply caring” about the environment is one thing. Constantly throwing roadblocks up to economic development and reduced dependence on energy from unfriendly foreign sources is something else entirely.

A fast way to tell if you’re a true neo-Luddite or not is to ask yourself the following questions;

1. Am I for or against nuclear power?

If the first things that come to your mind are “Three Mile Island”, “Chernobyl”, and “Japan”, you may have a problem. The first was overhyped by Jane Fonda (mainly to hype a movie) and the media (to frighten people into not opposing Jimmy Carter’s ban, that was already in the works before TMI even happened). Chernobyl was an example of bad design plus worse construction and incompetent operation. As for Japan, the reactors there survived an earthquake and tsunami with minimal damage; they were shut down mainly due to a propaganda campaign by anti-nuclear “activists”.

If “carbon-neutral” energy is the prime desideratum, nuclear (fission or, now, fusion) is the only cost-effective alternative to hydroelectric (including tidal power). Holy Wind and Holy Sun just won’t cut it, now or ever. (See Ohm’s Law and “scalability”; disregarding chronic unreliability, neither one overcomes line-loss well, and what works on a small scale doesn’t work on a big one.) As for safely running nuclear reactors, ask the U.S. Navy how to do it; they’ve done it at sea, in submarines, for sixty years. (Please note that Carter flunked out of the Nuclear Propulsion School; his only command was a diesel boat.)

(BTW, subs are by far the most dangerous duty in the Navy, other than their powerplants. The loss of Thresher in 1963 and Scorpion in 1968 were due to a steam-transfer system failure and a torpedo malfunction, respectively, neither one related to the powerplant. In Thresher‘s case, the automatic SCRAM of the pile worked perfectly; unfortunately, the rest of the system failed catastrophically. As for Scorpion, its reactor survived a torpedo explosion in the boat’s own torpedo room without rupturing; it was “just” the rest of the boat that didn’t. For an example of what can happen even on a non-nuclear boat, look up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Chopper_%28SS-342%29

Or as one New London grad who switched to Naval Aviation once put it, “What goes up, always comes down. What goes down, does not necessarily always come up“.)

2. Do you still believe in the Paul Ehrlich “Population Bomb” theory?

Ehrlich’s book is still taken as gospel by a multitude of environmentalists who constantly dream of “taking extreme measures” to reduce the human population of Earth. (John Holdren and James Hansen, to name just two.) Most involve reducing us to a pre-Bronze Age technology level, and accepting that about 90% of the human race will die from starvation and cold. (Except for the “best and brightest” in their castles, of course.)

The trouble is, all tracking of world birth rates is trending downward. The “replacement level” at which population remains static is 2.3 births per couple. Exactly no country on Earth is anywhere near this, according to the Worldwatch Institute, WHO, US AID, and several other groups. Most developed countries are at 1.3; the Third World is at about 1.6. The PRC is at 1.2, and dropping.

There may be 7 billion people on Earth today. In 50 years, there will be about half that at best. “At best” defined as “barring another world war or five or more major regional wars”. We’d have hit 7 billion in the mid-1970s, except that World War Two reduced the viable (reproducing) populations of Europe, Russia, and China. Die-offs of adults produce lower birthrates; so do generations that do not “replace themselves”.

If you accept these two sets of “inconvenient truths facts” about environmentalist delusions, you’re not a “Gaia-worshipping neo-Luddite fanatic”. You’re just an adult.

cheers

eon

eon on May 11, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Scratch a greenie, find a communist
AZfederalist on May 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Or a useful idiot.

I deeply care about the environment like a “Gaia-worshipping neo-Luddite lunatic.” And despite the denials of some on the economic right, they really don’t take the environment seriously. Still, the opposition to the Keystone pipeline is so logically twisted to the point of insanity. The presumption seems to be that if we don’t build the pipeline, then magic unicorns will descend from the heavens and provide for all our energy needs. I know that the environmentalists response would be that I’m a right-wing lunatic. Meanwhile, I seem to be kicked out of that club because of my stance on abortion. I don’t know what to do or think. I feel guilty that I’m not spending as much time attacking the environmental movement for this Keystone insanity as do defending abortion here. I am not even sure what is a good forum to engage “environmentalists”.
thuja on May 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

This is your problem.
BTW, most of the LEFT doesn’t actually care about the environment.
What I would be interested is what you think ‘protecting’ the environment actually involves.
I make a living off of the environment on my private property.
Ranchers & farmers are the ultimate environmentalists.
They actually care about it. Bcs if they don’t, it won’t make them a living.
Now I do know a lot of farmers & ranchers that abuse their land.
Do you know how they can do that?
They exploit GOVERNMENT environmental programs.
IT is actually more profitable for them to destroy the ecology of their own property in favor of various govt payment program schemes.
I live amongst some of these types of people.
I watch it on a DAILY basis.
I will agree with you on the Keystone. There is NO scientific basis to deny this pipeline.
I in fact have friends who run ranches in the sandhills of NE where the Ogalla is.
While having pipeline buried is a pain in the a$$, as long as the STATE makes sure things are properly done, accidents will be minimal.

Regarding your abortion stance, why do you even mention such a thing on this thread?
You DO believe killing unborn humans is OK?
If you do, then it explains your guilty conscience reference here.

Badger40 on May 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM