10 crazy things the IRS asked Tea Party groups

posted at 8:01 pm on May 10, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

The Internal Revenue Service admitted Friday to improperly targeting conservative groups for aggressive applications processes for tax exempt status in 2012, using the terms “Tea Party” and “patriot” as flags. Here are some of the things they wanted to know about those groups.

1. We’re gonna need all your direct and indirect communication. “‘Direct and indirect communications’ is profoundly chilling of First Amendment rights, ” said David French, senior counsel for American Center for Law & Justice, which has been representing 27 conservative organizations met with IRS inquisitions. “It’s so vague as to be impossible to comply with.”

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2. What do we need to know about your members? Nothing much. Just ALL THE THINGS!

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3. Your present and past employees and their relationships, please.

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4. No, family members of past and present board members and employees are not exempt, nor are their activities with other groups. Why do you ask?

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5. If someone in this country’s free press has ever interacted with you in any way shape or form about your free speech activities, we’re going to need documentation of that.

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6. By the way, all the insane, intrusive information we’re asking for is understood to be public once you’ve given it to us, so please include only the most flattering possible photos of your children and pets.

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7. There are very specific requirements for completing and submitting this insane, intrusive information we’re asking for. Does it feel like you’re running hurdles yet, Lolo?

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8. Don’t forget to read the continued very specific requirements for completing and submitting this insane, intrusive information.

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9. If you do not comply with these very specific requirements for completing and submitting this insane, intrusive application, you will go directly back to Start, you will not pass Go, and let’s face it, we will probably collect $200.

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10. Please predict the future reliably. Thank you for your time.

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All of the examples above are taken from actual IRS correspondence received by ACLJ’s 27 clients. There were many versions of the in-depth questionnaire sent to different organizations, suggesting there was more than one agent or one office involved. Though IRS officials blamed “low-level” employees in the Cincinnati office, which is the central IRS office in charge of tax exemptions, French said the abuse was far more widespread. ACLJ’s clients dealt with inquiries from IRS offices from “coast to coast.” Of ACLJ’s 27 clients, 15 finally had their status approved after 6-7 months with legal help. There are 12 groups whose status remains in limbo.

Update: I meant to add that a 2011 letter from Rep. Darrell Issa and Rep. Jim Jordan laid out 16 areas of the Tea Party questionnaires that seemed to overreach. Here they are.


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Obama is awesome don’t care.msm

rob verdi on May 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Man… they’ve been harassed by the IRS worse than a Clinton ex-girlfriend / possible rape victim.

viking01 on May 10, 2013 at 8:05 PM

These are the people who are going to enforce ObamaCare. If that doesn’t send shivers down your spine – nothing will.

gophergirl on May 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I can’t wait to deal with these lovely people when I don’t sign up for the super duper obamacare coverage.

BeachBum on May 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM

The threat of prosecution for tax fraud is the Kremlin’s weapon of choice against anyone who dares to challenge its hegemony.

ITguy on May 10, 2013 at 8:13 PM

“What does the memberships consist of.”

As a former editor for Army Times I couldn’t go any farther.

LtGenRob on May 10, 2013 at 8:14 PM

For a moment I thought I was reading the 348 page ObamaCare application (the white person version).

BobMbx on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

It’s not tortious interference with a contract, and it’s not inclusio unius exclusio alterius, and that’s all I know so far.

It’s something, though.

Axe on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

But we were paranoid for claiming IRS harassment.

rbj on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Back alley health care is the future.

Badger40 on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Though IRS officials blamed “low-level” employees in the Cincinnati office, which is the central IRS office in charge of tax exemptions

Funny, but I don’t remember anyone in the SRM or the IRS mentioning that last part about Cinci being the central office for tax exemptions. It’s almost like they were trying to deceive people into thinking it was a local phenomenon.

forest on May 10, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

- David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
http://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/332494589934047234

ITguy on May 10, 2013 at 8:16 PM

May I put my Tin Foil Conspiracy hat back on now? /

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Let me guess,do they ask,if you Tea bag your Tea cup,
and do you use a teabag picker-upper,spoon,or just reach
into the cup,with fingers,and yank it out!

Oh,and do you use a cup,or Tea-Pot for tea-bagging,and
do you utilize a tea-bag,or dump a pile of loose leaves
into it,then strain.

And,afterwards,do you add sugar or milk,together
or separately!!

(snark)

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

“Provide copies of your website that your members can only access.”

So I guess if any members could modify the page, it wouldn’t apply.

Geez, IRS employees are idiots.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Shouldn’t someone got to Ohio State University and set those graduating seniors straight..?

d1carter on May 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Trolls are welcome to come and talk about this at large!! /

Yeah right, lol…

Bet not one will show up…

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

– David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
http://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/332494589934047234

ITguy on May 10, 2013 at 8:16 PM

ITguy:Yup,Journalistic Snuffation!:)

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Lol!! Hiya canopfor :-)

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The IRS is claiming there was no political motive behind this harassment. They lie. That whore that apologized today should be the first fired because it is clear that this harassment came from the very top.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

– David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
http://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/332494589934047234

ITguy on May 10, 2013 at 8:16 PM

That right there, is spot on!

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Can we see 100% of ofa, acorn, and tides communications with legislatures?

tom daschle concerned on May 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

One of the impeachment charges that was going to be filed against Nixon dealt with the IRS targeting political foes. Just sayin’ in case anybody in DC wants to start thinking about the future of our nation.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

SrrutenizingGoonScruteneers,in a Scrutenizational Scrutiny

of the Tea Party’rs!

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

So, here we go yet again with a govt bound and determined to “get” the TP and patriots and gun nuts and bible clingers… once we are got, then what? Hmmmmmmmm?

Oh right, re-education camps!

Simply mind boggling the gall of the IRS…

Now is the time to get rid of it (IRA) and opt for a flat tax and a simple one page tax form…

Or…

L.i.B.

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Lol!! Hiya canopfor :-)

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Scrmpy:

*Waves*,…..from the Tea Plantation!
haha:)

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

This is why, when the doctor asks if you have firearms, the only answer is “no”.

rogerb on May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

“1. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner. ”

Article 2: Abuse of Power.

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, imparting the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposes of these agencies.

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Barack has become the Liberal Nixon. First the lies about Benghazi and NOW he is using the power of the Government to attack his political enemies. The next thing you know, the HHS secretary will be shaking down the members of the industries that they regulate for “Donations”…oh, wait.

famous amos on May 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

(1) He has, acting personally and through his subordinated and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Boehner… hey BOEHNER BOEHNER!!

Get busy will’ya!!

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM

But, Benghazi Jay said the IRS was an independent agency…

d1carter on May 10, 2013 at 8:30 PM

But we were paranoid for claiming IRS harassment.

rbj on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

It really depends. The full force of the federal government was applied against dire threats such as MLK, so there’s certainly precedent. You’d need data on non-Tea Party groups also targeted by the IRS over the past 12 months and a complete explanation from the IRS employees responsible s to what pattern of behavior triggered this action. Clearly someone needs to be taken to the woodshed but in the federal government, people are rarely held accountable and even less frequently fired.

Of course this will do wonders to heighten the sense of victimization among TP members

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The IRS is claiming there was no political motive behind this harassment.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Now that is funny.

CW on May 10, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Does this apology which is an admission of guilt mean that those organizations attacked can sue the IRS for damages, legal costs, etc, and would that be an easy win for the victims?

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 8:35 PM

It really depends.

Clearly someone needs to be taken to the woodshed

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Arguing with yourself?

CW on May 10, 2013 at 8:35 PM

The IRS is claiming there was no political motive behind this harassment. They lie. That whore that apologized today should be the first fired because it is clear that this harassment came from the very top.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

What’s the evidence? If it were to come from the top, I doubt that a duplicated form letter would have sent to all the groups providing a clear pattern of abuse that was easy to identify. The Patriot Act and other legislation lets the government do fare more nefarious things without showing their tracks.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

This is why, when the doctor asks if you have firearms, the only answer is “no”.

rogerb on May 10, 2013 at 8:27 PM

If my doctor asks me if I have firearms, I simply ask him if he does. Tends to move things along.

But this thread points out something important. Read the questions. This was intended to make small volunteer-based organizations spend countless hours complying with the tax laws because any time before the election spent on this is time away from the organizational mission. This was deliberate and people need to be in jail.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Update: I meant to add that a 2011 letter from Rep. Darrell Issa and Rep. Jim Jordan laid out 16 areas of the Tea Party questionnaires that seemed to overreach. Here they are.

I would like to know if the IRS responded to this letter and what that response was.

Though IRS officials blamed “low-level” employees in the Cincinnati office, which is the central IRS office in charge of tax exemptions

So yet again liberals choose to publicly state their own incompetence as if it’s a positive.

Lost in Jersey on May 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Trolls are welcome to come and talk about this at large!! /

Yeah right, lol…

Bet not one will show up…

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Between this story, today’s Benghazi revelations and the story about how HHS is shaking down the health care industry for “donations” to fund Obamacare, the leftist brain trust took quite a pummeling today. Right now they’re huddling with the media, taking extra time working on the talking points before distributing them. Until they get the lies all straight, the trolls have nothing to say.

Gator Country on May 10, 2013 at 8:39 PM

What’s the evidence?

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

The IRS is claiming that this was done by a bunch of low level workers. I’m assuming they are suggesting GS-8/9/10 level clerks. Well those people have supervisors and those supervisors have supervisors. Are they (and you) suggesting that these onerous data demands are going out without some supervisor approving? It’s the freakin’ IRS! The DMV of government departments.

Rouge GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

But this thread points out something important. Read the questions. This was intended to make small volunteer-based organizations spend countless hours complying with the tax laws because any time before the election spent on this is time away from the organizational mission. This was deliberate and people need to be in jail.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

It’s much more than that. It was meant to just make a bunch of these smaller groups give up seeking tax-exempt status because complying with their demands was just too onerous. There’s also an intimidation factor, as these groups had to know that turning over their donor lists would almost certainly guarantee an audit for everyone on those lists.

Gator Country on May 10, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Rouge GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Brayam will take it for the left almost every single time. Useful.

CW on May 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Low level? I don’t think so. The is the KGB.

pat on May 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Rouge GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Not even a chance.
It is a ridiculous a$$ notion if anyone believes it.

Badger40 on May 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

It’s much more than that. It was meant to just make a bunch of these smaller groups give up seeking tax-exempt status because complying with their demands was just too onerous. There’s also an intimidation factor, as these groups had to know that turning over their donor lists would almost certainly guarantee an audit for everyone on those lists.

Gator Country on May 10, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Yeah, I know. I’m not sure how the IRS and the administration they thought they could get beyond this by simply apologizing at a conference in a speech by the partisan whore that is responsible for tax-exempt determinations. I meant it when I said people should be going to jail for this kind of intimidation.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Democrats are known tax cheats, and any Obama supporters should undergo thorough IRS audits for their last 7 years of returns.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Oh right, re-education camps!

Simply mind boggling the gall of the IRS…

Now is the time to get rid of it (IRA) and opt for a flat tax and a simple one page tax form…

Or…

L.i.B.

Scrumpy on May 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Scrumpy:

They better dang well be serving Tea,at said camps,

or, an UpRising will happen(sarc)!:)

canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Yeah, I know. I’m not sure how the IRS and the administration they thought they could get beyond this by simply apologizing at a conference in a speech by the partisan whore that is responsible for tax-exempt determinations. I meant it when I said people should be going to jail for this kind of intimidation.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Yes, people should go to jail, but they probably won’t. And my guess is that this kind of intimidation by the IRS continues to this day, and will only ramp up as we get closer to 2014, and especially 2016.

The MSM is floundering at the moment on this story, but by Monday they and the administration will have settled on a spin and a set of talking points, and the coordinated pushback to bury this story and marginalize those of us who want to see people go to jail will begin in force.

It’s worked for them every single time a scandal has popped up since Obama got elected, so why should they think it won’t work again?

Gator Country on May 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

What’s the evidence?

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

You liberals didn’t seem to care about evidence when Bush was in office. Now you don’t even want to allow investigations.

Is there such a thing as a liberal with integrity?

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Rouge GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Not even a chance.
It is a ridiculous a$$ notion if anyone believes it.

Badger40 on May 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Exactly. A GS-8 (with locality pay) in Cincinnati pegs out at 58K and these people were not apt to have that kind of seniority. The administration wants us to think that they acted independently. That no supervisor told them that they should concentrate efforts on identifying groups with “patriot” in their title. It is an absurd idea. Who gave the orders to focus on conservative groups????

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Can we see 100% of ofa, acorn, and tides communications with legislatures?

tom daschle concerned on May 10, 2013 at 8:25 PM

+1!

ITguy on May 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Rogue GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Not even a chance.
It is a ridiculous a$$ notion if anyone believes it.

Badger40 on May 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Agreed. Consider what would happen to a GS-8 that dared send one of these to one of George Soros’s filthy organizations.

The lists of targets in this scam was carefully put together, probably with the supervision of someone in the White House.

Get that GS-8 in front of Congress under oath.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

What’s the evidence?

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

You liberals didn’t seem to care about evidence when Bush was in office. Now you don’t even want to allow investigations.

Is there such a thing as a liberal with integrity?

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I think it’s obvious now that Iraq never had nuclear capability, despite Bush’s “mushroom cloud” warning and that turning that country into a puppet and satellite of Iran, now on the brink of a civil war, probably wasn’t the best course of action given the cost in lives and treasure.
Not sure how you can compare a form letter sent to a couple dozen political groups to a major war.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Not sure how you can compare a form letter sent to a couple dozen political groups to a major war.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Not sure how you keep your teeth if you spout such nonsense in your everyday life. Conservative groups were clearly targeted and you have no problem. But you’d be squealing like the filthy pig you are if the filter was something like targeting groups with pro-choice in their titles.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Except, of course, for the majority of the Copperhead controlled House and Senate that enacted a law calling for a war to overthrow the Iraqi government.

Folks, if it’s a Democrat, it lies. Don’t have anything to do with them. Socially or professionally.

SDN on May 10, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Most chilling about this — look who is charged with implementing ObamaCareTax. Who is getting 17,000 more agents? Isn’t that just freakin’ awesome!? /What could go wrong?

AZfederalist on May 10, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Most chilling about this — look who is charged with implementing ObamaCareTax. Who is getting 17,000 more agents? Isn’t that just freakin’ awesome!? /What could go wrong?

AZfederalist on May 10, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Conversely a great way to fight against ratearedcowardcare.

Which might be the reason why they fessed up now. Through the whore in charge in a speech at a conference.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 9:38 PM

They’re also attacking the tax exempt status of the Boy Scouts of America! I wish someone would look into this one. My son’s troop has sold wreaths for years. Some dollars to the troop, some to the council, and some to the scout, in an account to be used to pay for scouting activities. The freaking IRS now thinks the scout’s share should be taxed as INCOME. As a result, the council is proposing to keep every dollar, and split it up equally among the scouts. My son sold 230 wreaths last year. Other kids sold 30. Where’s the incentive to sell more?

I’ve yet to hear a story about this in the media – conservative or otherwise.

takeamericabackin10 on May 10, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Barack has become the Liberal Nixon.

famous amos on May 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

“Tricky Dick”-

- Created the EPA and gave it its Draconian powers.

- Bumped BATF from a minor Treasury department to full Bureau status, and gave it even more Draconian powers.

- Axed the Apollo program, Apollo Applications (a lunar base), a manned Mars mission programmed for 1985-87, and about half of NASA’s engineers,

- Stalled domestic nuclear energy development (that was finished off by Carter),

- Launched a wage-price freeze (that self-destructed and nearly took the domestic economy with it),

- Sold Southeast Asia down the river to the PRC & Friends, and

- After being forced to resign, spent the rest of his life railing about how stupid “gun nuts”, the military, and Americans in general were. Because according to him, he was Right About Everything.

If he’d had a (D) instead of an (R)(INO) next to his name, the Democrats and MSM would to this day be worshiping at his grave. And you would never have heard of the Watergate except about it being a great place to stay while you were in DC.

Richard Milhous F**king Nixon was the Liberal Nixon. The One is just following in his footsteps.

Exactly in each footprint.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 10, 2013 at 9:41 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Wouldn’t piss on ya to put you out if you were on fire. Just saying. Worthless POS, you are, with apologies to worthless POS’s for the comparison.

Midas on May 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

I think it’s obvious now that Iraq never had nuclear capability

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Who said they did?

I realize that as a liberal you’re incapable of telling the truth, but don’t make the mistake that we’re as stupid as you are.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM

I think it’s obvious now that Iraq never had nuclear capability

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Who said they did?

I realize that as a liberal you’re incapable of telling the truth, but don’t make the mistake that we’re as stupid as you are.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM

You can look up his ‘mushroom cloud’ quote, which clearly implicated that Iraq would soon have a viable nuclear threat.
And if you’re capable of using a search engine with that tiny brain of yours, you can learn how the nuclear threat was employed behind closed doors to convince war hold-outs, such as Dick Armey, to eventually vote in favor of war.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM

It’s amazing what the trolls will defend.

Well, not really amazing. I suspect they’re just fine with their precious messiah’s government behaving this way.

They always think it will never apply to them.

CurtZHP on May 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM

The one thing that scares the left more than Palin is the tea party.

newportmike on May 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013

you

KOOLAID2 on May 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013

are

KOOLAID2 on May 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013

r e t a r t e d !

KOOLAID2 on May 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Geez, tossing out the Iraq card shows more than the usual bit of desperation on your part.

PackerBronco on May 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

You can look up his ‘mushroom cloud’ quote, which clearly implicated that Iraq would soon have a viable nuclear threat.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM

So you admit that the Bush administration never said that Iraq had “nuclear capability” as you implied in your 9:07 post.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Don’t feed the troll. Since he can’t defend that questionnaire, he seeks to distract by bringing up the Iraq war.

Pathetic, but that’s what trolls are.

PackerBronco on May 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

I think it’s obvious now that Iraq never had nuclear capability

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Who said they did?

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM

As I recall, the term used was WMD. In discussions and practice, the fear was chemical weapons (recall the stories of the troops having to work in chem suit with the temp over 115?).

Ironically, the Boston Bomber were referred to (first) leaving IEDs –during the first couple of days. Them the lapdog media switched to (wait for it………………………..) WMDs!!!

So the leftist media says Tsarnaevs had WMDs but Sadaam didn’t. Your foolishness is pathetic.

socalcon on May 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

SO WHO IS GETTING FIRED AT THE IRS?

GarandFan on May 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

As I recall, the term used was WMD. In discussions and practice, the fear was chemical weapons (recall the stories of the troops having to work in chem suit with the temp over 115?).

socalcon on May 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Possibly concerns about biological weapons as well, such as anthrax. The nuclear concerns were that Saddam wanted to get the bomb, and would pursue it if he could, not that he already had it.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 11:21 PM

SO WHO IS GETTING FIRED AT THE IRS?

GarandFan on May 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Nobody. Obama supporters love stuff like this. The worst that would happen is maybe a couple people get shuffled around to another agency and the claim made that they no longer are with the IRS.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 11:23 PM

SO WHO IS GETTING FIRED AT THE IRS?

GarandFan on May 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Nobody. Obama supporters love stuff like this. The worst that would happen is maybe a couple people get shuffled around to another agency and the claim made that they no longer are with the IRS.

malclave on May 10, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Right, like the GSA dope in the bathtub. Back on the job.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 11:36 PM

And yet here it is 3 years on and still over 100 conservative groups havent received tax exempt status. The whole point of this was to silence these groups or marginalize them. Obama knew they would be a formidable opponent in his bid for re-election so he had to figure out how to silence them. He did. Just as with the MSM covering his and Killery’s azz on Benghazi this IRS mess was designed to do exactly what it did, namely to get him re-elected. There he sits in the WH. Does anyone find it strange that on the very day the Benghazi news is blowing up and the MSM has finally decided to do their job that this IRS stuff comes out? Why would a willing stooge of the Obama IRS wing admit to this now? Just think folks these are the lovely folks that will be ENFORCING the new Obamacare rules. What could possibly go wrong?

neyney on May 10, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Most of the moonbat trolls are hanging out in other comments sections, saying that the IRS was per se justified in targeting Tea Party and other conservative organizations because they’re antitax. Scum will be scum, and they’re busy proving it with their comments.

M. Scott Eiland on May 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Wait — who ARE these illiterates?

“Provide copies of your website that your members can only access.”

You mean you don’t need copies of parts of the web site wherein they can do more than access it?

Seriously, who did the IRS hire to write this crap — sophomores from Media Matters?

rasqual on May 11, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Umm – this is normal sh!t for the IRS in the tax exemption review process. Lots of people have to field questions like these. Pretty soon you will, too, if you want health care, that is!

Xasprtr on May 11, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Now, try to tell me that some ‘low-level’ employee in Cincinnati came up with all these questions SPECIFIC to the Tea Parties. Someone need to subpoena ALL communication from the Cincinnati producer of this and EVERYONE in WASHINGTON, DC (and Chicago) during the time this was being developed.

michaelo on May 11, 2013 at 12:30 AM

bayam on May 10, 2013

The most sad pathetic thing about you cockroaches is that if Bush or a republican did this to your little dimoturd organizations you swine would be screaming to high hell. Your blatant hypocrisy would be almost humorous if it wasn’t so disgusting. You people were crying all about Bush and fascism but now that you’re seeing the real thing your silence is deafening.

Funny how you dimotards squealed about the likes of that hag Plame but when you have real crimes going on you’re nowhere to be seen. What a shock. Effing d-bags.

bbinfl on May 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Lots of people have to field questions like these.

Xasprtr on May 11, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I trust that the lawyers for the TEA Party groups are asking exactly who else had their applications subjected to exactly this type of questionnaire.

You’d need data on non-Tea Party groups also targeted by the IRS over the past 12 months and a complete explanation from the IRS employees responsible as to what pattern of behavior triggered this action.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Again, this should be the primary task of the TEA Party legal teams.
However, if such exculpatory (though still reprehensible) data exists, then why didn’t the IRS cite that as a defense in the first place?
It may still be harassment even if they do it to everyone, but it is not targeted against one type of group any more than another, and no apology would have been offered.

If it were to come from the top, I doubt that a duplicated form letter would have sent to all the groups providing a clear pattern of abuse that was easy to identify.
bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Since you are actually implying that the absurd questionnaires are “business as usual, everybody gets one”, see the response immediately above.

On the third hand, if there were top-ranked officials suggesting that certain groups were to be harassed rather than just assessed, and they didn’t think that any of those groups would compare notes and complain, then the easiest course for the subordinates tasked with the project would certainly be to duplicate a very long form letter/questionnare rather than making up separate ones for each group.
The unintended consequence would then be the clear pattern that was easy to identify, by anyone looking into the situation.
Would they be that stupid?
Let’s take a poll.

AesopFan on May 11, 2013 at 1:16 AM

The one thing that scares the left more than Palin is the tea party.

newportmike on May 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Both Palin and the Tea Party came from out of nowhere. These guys don’t like to be opposed and they really don’t like to be surprised by that opposition.

trigon on May 11, 2013 at 2:43 AM

I meant it when I said people should be going to jail for this kind of intimidation.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Exactly. This is way, way beyond a firing offense. If this isn’t considered a criminal abuse of power, I don’t see how we continue to function as a society. This is a total breakdown of the rule of law.

And let’s face it–firing someone for this would really accomplish nothing. Given the political climate these days and the moral bankruptcy of the left, it wouldn’t be very long before some liberal hired the fired offenders to reward them for targeting the Tea Party. (After the guilty party/parties signed their book deals and milked the talk show circuit, of course.)

butterflies and puppies on May 11, 2013 at 3:12 AM

Geez, tossing out the Iraq card shows more than the usual bit of desperation on your part.

PackerBronco on May 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

That’s not the only card being tossed around

FontanaConservative on May 11, 2013 at 3:40 AM

Every single IRS employee and supervisor who was aware of this going on and failed to at least attempt to stop or report it must be fired. No exceptions.

Adjoran on May 11, 2013 at 3:50 AM

Of course this will do wonders to heighten the sense of victimization among TP members

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

You’re a freaking idiot. Or a tool. The IRS just admitted to unfairly targeting TPers, people like my father and you finish your comment by taking a stab right back at the Tea Party itself. As if to say they just imagine unfair treatment? Liberal rationalization never fails to amaze me.

smoothsailing on May 11, 2013 at 4:28 AM

as someone who has prepared forms 1023 (thats the application for NP status) for over 25 years, none of this really is out of the ordinary. THAT much. its more intrusive than usual. but every exempt org app gets interrogatories back, similar to these, unless you really file a tight first submission and get thru the first shot. that happens occasionally. but to justify their existence they usually come back with crap like this. yes, they are obviously targeting “us” with this. but no this isnt that far outside what they do with a lot of people. just sayin. been dealing with them for years. answered these questions for 25 years. thats how it works over at EO folks. only REAL significant thing is now you all know about it. if you knew ALL that goes on at IRS you’d have fodder for posts for years.

t8stlikchkn on May 11, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Rogue GS-8′s? Not bloody likely.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM

if you dealt with IRS for a long time, you might rethink your position on that.

t8stlikchkn on May 11, 2013 at 7:35 AM

You can look up his ‘mushroom cloud’ quote, which clearly implicated that Iraq would soon have a viable nuclear threat.
And if you’re capable of using a search engine with that tiny brain of yours, you can learn how the nuclear threat was employed behind closed doors to convince war hold-outs, such as Dick Armey, to eventually vote in favor of war.

bayam on May 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM

maybe not, but they did have WMDs. if you listened to joe wilson (in Mar 2003):
“There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him.

And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040409230230/http://www.johnkerry.com/honesty/la_times.html

t8stlikchkn on May 11, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Many of the leaders of our local TEA party group had been audited about a year ago or more. I think I commented on that when it happened.

JellyToast on May 11, 2013 at 8:30 AM

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