Benghazi – what’s new?

posted at 8:01 am on May 9, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Not much, if you listen to apologists for the White House and State Department, even after the testimony of two previously-excluded whistleblowers yesterday at a House Oversight Committee hearing on the Benghazi attack that killed four Americans.  Glenn Kessler, the Washington Post fact-checker, says that while some of what was said has already come out — somewhat reluctantly — there were in fact some new revelations.  And even what we know think as established fact has new angles that carry some big implications.

For instance, let’s look at the demonstration run amok vs terrorist attack narrative issue.  Kessler points out that we have known for months that there was no demonstration at the Benghazi consulate prior to the attack.  Earlier reports said that confusion may have come from a lack of information combined with demonstrations in other countries in the region.  What’s new, Kessler points out, is Hicks’ testimony that he spoke directly with Hillary Clinton on the night of the attack and briefed her:

So it is not new that there was no protest. That’s been officially well established. It is also not new that many officials knew it was a terrorist attack.

What is new is that Hicks has put a human face on previous reporting. He also disclosed he spoke directly to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton the night of the attack, presumably relaying his conclusions.

The hearings also revealed an e-mail written by Elizabeth Jones, the acting assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, in which she recounted a conversation with the Libyan ambassador on Sept. 12: “When he said his government suspected that former Gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks, I told him that the group that conducted the attacks Ansar Al Sharia is affiliated with Islamic terrorists.”

One generally presumes that top government officials have access to classified information and firsthand accounts not available to the media. But in this case either their judgments were colored by media accounts as well — or they took advantage of the media’s reporting to obscure some politically difficult news.

Kessler’s avoiding a conclusion here.  If the State Department thinks CNN has better info in Atlanta than its own people on the ground in Libya, then why bother having people on the ground at all?

There’s also the matter of Susan Rice directly contradicting the Libyan president on the nature of the attacks on September 16th.  By that time, everyone should have known it was a terrorist attack, but Rice went on five talk shows to blame it on a demonstration.  Meanwhile, Mohamed Yusuf al-Magariaf went on American television to correctly state that terrorists had conducted the attack, and he even knew who they were.  That rebuke from an American diplomat had a direct impact on the US ability to investigate the issue, and on al-Magariaf’s ability to lead:

While the political fallout long has been clear from Rice’s appearance on the Sunday shows, what’s new is Hicks’ description of the diplomatic impact — that Libyan cooperation into the probe was greatly hindered because the president of Libya, Mohamed Yusuf al-Magariaf, who also appeared on Face the Nation, was so angry that Rice disagreed with his description of a “preplanned” attack.

Magariaf was “insulted in front of his own people,” Hicks said. “His credibility was reduced. His ability to lead his country was damaged.”

Hicks’ description of his reaction to Rice’s comments — “I was stunned. My jaw dropped. And I was embarrassed” — is also rather telling, given that previously administration officials had asserted that Rice’s remarks reflected a consensus that no one would dispute at the time.

Another witness attacked the integrity of the Accountability Review Board, on which apologists relied yesterday, calling it an attempt to cover up for the top brass:

Nordstrom suggested the board’s report attempted to protect higher-ranking officials, and specifically faulted it for not looking at the key role played by Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy in failing to deliver the request for more security to Clinton.

He said a similar failure occurred in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya, which killed 19 Americans.

“[The ARB] has decided to fix responsibility on the assistant secretary level and below,” said Nordstrom. “And the message to my colleagues is that if you’re above a certain level, no matter what your decision is no one’s going to question it.

“I look back and I see the last time we had a major attack was East Africa. Who was in that same position, when the unheeded messengers … were raising those concerns? It just so happens it was the same person. The under secretary for management was in that same role before.

“There’s something apparently wrong with the process of how those security recommendations are raised to the secretary.”

There was also the matter of the State Department’s counterterrorism chief, who got cut out of the Benghazi loop almost immediately after the attack began:

Thompson described how his request for a specialized emergency response team was rebuffed by officials at the White House. He said he got the idea the officials weren’t sure what was happening in Benghazi and therefore weren’t sure if the “FEST” team of special operations forces and intelligence personnel was a suitable option.

Thompson was told FEST wasn’t “on the menu“:

Mr. Thompson, the deputy coordinator for operations, testified that he thought the U.S. needed to activate an interagency advisory group called the Foreign Emergency Support Team, but was told that top State Department officials had already determined that sending the team wasn’t “in the menu of options.”

The State Department has said that the team, based in the U.S., wouldn’t have arrived in Libya in time to make any difference. Daniel Benjamin, the head of counterterrorism at the time of the September attacks and Mr. Thompson’s former boss, has said that the question of whether to deploy the team was posed early, and the State Department made the correct decision against sending it.

But that presumed that State knew at the moment just how long the attack would last:

[Thompson] also said he considered the response inadequate because “one definition of a crisis is you do not know what’s going to happen in two hours.”

So yes, there was quite a bit new at the hearing — and all of it pointing to a political whitewash during and after the attack.  What’s not new is the apologists’ refrain:


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matthew8787 on May 9, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Agree.

Any decent prosecutor, any good lawyer, pretty much knows the answer to each question he/she will ask in court…on the record…before asking that question.

Yesterday’s panel…well…seems that the Dems stuck to their script…the GOP had no script…lot’s of questions asked, lots of answers just left there hanging in thin air…no follow up…no serious focus…apparently very little homework done prior.

So…the headline from yesterday? Probably Cumming’s astute minimalization….death is a part of life.

I’d love to see a GOP member of Congress do the Adlai Stevenson thing…”I am prepared to wait until hell freezes over for an answer, Mr. XYZ.”

Or, “when did Hillary inform Obama of the attack, and why was the military cut out of the loop so early on? When? Who? I demand a list of all who were at the White House SITROOM, were at the CIA Watch Office Sitroom, at the Pentagon…at State…and who was in charge of each…and who was issuing “orders?” Who gave the stand down order??? And why are these witnesses only now being allowed to come forward???”

Again and again…make it the headline…loudly…

Instead we got mealy mouth almost apologetic questioning…answers left dangling…assertions ignored…and the Dems stole the headlines…again.

coldwarrior on May 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I loathe these people more with each breath I take…

ladyingray on May 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I have run out of adjectives to describe how I feel about
these people….would get me banned anyway…

ToddPA on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Tweeted & re-tweeted, but true:

Right now Jodi Arias is probably wishing she killed a Libyan ambassador or a Philadelphia infant.

VibrioCocci on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Where the hell was JugEars? Seriously, I demand to know.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

VibrioCocci on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Now, that is funny…

Oh well, had to clean my ‘puter screen off anyway, needed it…but the hot coffee up my nose? Thanks. :-)

coldwarrior on May 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I love watching HRC bouncing on her ample azz for emphasis. Makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s the adult equivalent of a child stomping her feet.

ExpressoBold on May 9, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Here’s the question I have: Was there a conspiracy here to commit fraud and to mislead the American people?

supersport667 on May 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

ExpressoBold on May 9, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Adjusting her Mini-Koala??

coldwarrior on May 9, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Where the hell was JugEars? Seriously, I demand to know.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The testimony about Hillary calling at 2am reminded me of her campaign ads against Obama, saying he wasn’t ready for that 3am phone call. I wouldn’t count on either of them on any middle of the night phone call. Because their primary concern would be, “how can I cover my butt?”.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Where the hell was JugEars? Seriously, I demand to know.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

How about, what did he know, and when did he know it?

I think the bigger scandal is Hillary not providing adequate security for the compound:

Hillary let it slide.
Four brave diplomats died.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

There is a lot more to come out and the list of witness will get longer as time goes on.

Tom Coburn on Morning Joe today:

“I think the State Department has real trouble,” he said. “Having sat on the Intelligence Committee and seen the review of emails that went back and forth as they developed the list, there’s a glaring problem there that will eventually come out and I can’t talk about it now.”

He was referencing classified information that he couldn’t expand on. The reason some, potentially “in the know”, have been touting that Obama could be impeached over this is because there is classified information that one way or another won’t remain classified much longer.

CTSherman on May 9, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The ability to turn a blind eye to Shrills Clinton and O-Golfswings’ incompetence and morally defunct conduct over Benghazi cannot be explained by science.

LetsBfrank on May 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM

How can you not reach the conclusion that they wanted Stevens dead?

ORconservative on May 9, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Hillary let it slide.
Four brave diplomats died.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2013 at 9:49 AM

That’s pithy. I am stealing it for twitter ;)

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Let’s just cut to the chase. Get Gen. David Rodriguez on the stand and ask him who told him to relieve Carter Ham of his Africom command. His answer will tell us who gave the standown order.

Prediction: Leon Panetta will take the fall to protect Hillary and Obama.

DanMan on May 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Instead we got mealy mouth almost apologetic questioning…answers left dangling…assertions ignored…and the Dems stole the headlines…again.

coldwarrior on May 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM

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There is so much wrong with your analysis I don’t know where to begin. For one thing, these were voluntary witnesses coming forward to dispute the events as related by government officials as official story line. It’s a big deal to cross your boss in any professional environment but these guys are calling Ø and HRC liars, in public, under oath. Maybe your analysis would be appropriate for Democrat Kritters but Republicans showed appropriate deference and understanding for the process and what was being done.
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As for “the headlines” maybe you didn’t notice but only FNC and CNN of the the commercial media networks carried the hearing live, and CNN aired commercials during, before, and after. Of course the media is going to allow the headlines to the Democrats – they are propping them up, not propping up Republicans.
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These were not witnesses subpoenaed by the committee, they were there voluntarily to tell their story, thus called “whistleblowers.”

ExpressoBold on May 9, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Trey Gowdy just told Bill Hemmer that there are additional whistleblowers warming up in the bullpen.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Makes my day.

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 10:02 AM

‘Toons of the Day: What Difference Does It Make? It Matters, Madam.

Resist We Much on May 9, 2013 at 9:59 AM

All flour of them are brilliant, but I particularly like Hillary’s spider web.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-budowsky/298627-the-gops-hillary-problem-

You see,, we have a hitlery problem. We don’t understand her greatness. We violated House commitee rules or something.

Idols. Trying to re-create thier imagined kennedy camelot, at any cost.

even over 4 flag drapped caskets.

wolly4321 on May 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM

‘The fact remains — as we have repeatedly indicated — that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night.’

- George Little, Pentagon spokesman

Soooo weird.

We could send both a Learjet and a C-130 transport from Tripoli to Benghazi to pick up some of the State and CIA personnel DURING the attack, but we couldn’t send members of the Special Forces that were in Tripoli (and told to stand down twice) to Benghazi because they were too far away?

On the one hand, Greg Hicks, Ambassador Stevens’ deputy, flew from Tripoli to Benghazi between the first and last waves of the attack. On the other hand, SOCAFRICA commander Lieutenant Colonel Gibson and his Special Forces team were on their way to board the same C-130, which carried Mr Hicks from Tripoli, for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound ‘when [Colonel Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, ‘you can’t go now, you don’t have the authority to go now.’ And so they missed the flight … They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it.’

Was Benghazi a safer destination to which to travel for diplomats than it is for an American Special Forces team?

Sounds pretty BS-y to me.

The other obvious problem with the Pentagon’s position is that it is based on facts that were unknown when the decision was made. At the times of the decision and multiple stand down orders, NO ONE KNEW HOW LONG THE ATTACK WOULD LAST. No one knew if it would be over in minutes, hours, days, weeks, or even months or years, for that matter. 20/20 hindsight is nice, but it is not determinative.

The American Way is to leave no one behind. Evidently, the Obama/Clinton Way is to leave more than 30 Americans behind to die. Even if it takes all night!

It was the heroism of Glen Dogherty and Ty Woods that prevented a terrorist attack that,sadly, killed 4 Americans from turning into a massacre of dozens. They disobeyed stand down orders not once, not twice, but three times. The Commander-in- Chief was A.W.O.L.

Resist We Much on May 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Prediction: Leon Panetta will take the fall to protect Hillary and Obama.

DanMan on May 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

That would be my bet too. Panetta’s the quintessential party functionary and ready to accept his golden parachute.

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I love me some Trey Gowdy…

ladyingray on May 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Hillary is responsible for the lack of security.

Hillary let it slide.
Four brave diplomats died.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM

You think she made that call on her own? I think she may have agreed with it, but the orders that caused the entire situation originated from Obama, probably with some guidance from Valerie Jarret.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:15 AM

ExpressoBold on May 9, 2013 at 9:58 AM

In the run up to this investigative panel/hearing seeing these three whistle blowers…would it not have been prudent to subpoena others in the direct chain of command at State, at a minimum, for example…to provide depth and also allow for serious follow-up questions to be answered then and not weeks from now?

For example…Mr. Hicks, the Chief of Mission in Libya…was shocked to hear Rice talk about a spontaneous demonstration gone bad…and Rice never even spoke to Hicks…not one word…ever…before going on the talk show circuit that Sunday morning…Hicks was the official administration’s guy on the ground. Where was Rice yesterday? Attending a gala, with Biden, and getting an award for her outstanding foreign and public service to the nation.

Not one senior officer from AFRICOM being questioned, on the record? Not one officer from SOC-Africom? Not one watch officer from any of the agencies, the White House or State who, according to the public record, were able to watch Benghazi live…in real time…to shed light on the progression of events or the decision making process?

Walk into court…you are prepared beforehand…and have your witness list already vetted…beforehand…and know your opponent’s every move…beforehand…or you lose. Bore the jury to death…by not getting back on topic, focus…and you lose.

I am in no way berating the three who have testified…but…let’s get serious here…is this any sort of real investigation and public hearing? Does Issa really understand the importance of all of this? And is he working behind the scenes to get each and every member of the House on board, regardless of party?

That is how the Watergate investigation broke…when the first GOP member of the House, Delbert Latta, staunch conservative…said that there was something terribly wrong at the White House…and we’d get to the bottom of it…not a Democrat…but GOP.

If you are going to do this live, in real time, even if only one network carries it…be prepared, succinct…and have a battle plan all drawn up before the first microphone is turned on and witness sworn in.

I don’t see any of that.

coldwarrior on May 9, 2013 at 10:16 AM

That would be my bet too. Panetta’s the quintessential party functionary and ready to accept his golden parachute.

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

It won’t help. She’s finished. She lied to the American people after being told the truth by Hicks. Remember, she lied through her teeth trying to get rid of Nixon. She has now officially jumped the shark.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

- David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/332494589934047234

ITguy on May 9, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Here’s the question I have: Was there a conspiracy here to commit fraud and to mislead the American people?

supersport667 on May 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

We learned yesterday that there was. Remember, Zero said (and there’s video) Susan Rice went on the talk shows on orders from the White House.

Everyone in the chain of command was notified that AQ made the attack when it happened and Hicks was subsequently told to keep quiet.

Rice called the new President of Libya a liar to his face on orders from Obama. Hillary and Obama made a commercial blaming the video.

Yeah, I don’t think there’s any question at this point.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:23 AM

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Exactly.And, just like the Gosnell Case, the New Media is doing the job that the MSM refuses to.

kingsjester on May 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321470/Secret-email-reveals-official-told-Libyas-U-S-Abmassador-terrorists-Benghazi-attack–days-BEFORE-U-S-Ambassador-UN-said-spontaneous-attack.html

Exactly.And, just like the Gosnell Case, the New Media is doing the job that the MSM refuses to.

kingsjester on May 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Yes, sir, and foreign newspapers.

This scandal will not go away now. Zero and his clown posse can’t stop it.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM

They really do think they are smarter than everyone and that everyone would buy their story about the “protest gone bad”.

It’s one thing to be arrogant and have some reason to back it up. But to be arrogant and a complete fool… that’s what we see here.

reaganaut on May 9, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I found it interesting that Hicks testified that the Amb. was in Benghazi because Clinton wanted to make it a permanent post. This runs counter to the ARB that explained away the repeated refusals to provide increased security in Benghazi on the grounds that Benghazi was a temporary post with an uncertain future beyond 2012. I also wish that someone had asked Hicks what he knew of the State Dept. policy, mentioned in at least one e-mail, of denying increased security because of a desire to “normalize” our security posture in Benghazi.

I wish Thompson had given us the identity of who at the White House told him that FEST had already been taken off the table and the exact time frame in which that occurred. State touts FEST as their first responder and able to go wheels up within four hours. More on FEST here: http://2001-2009.state.gov/s/ct/about/c16664.htm

Lastly, The testimony as to FEST is indeed significant, but on the larger issue of a lack of military response, it is little more than walking around the margins. The day of the attack was Sept. 11. Hours earlier there had already been a potential incident at the Embassy in Cairo. I spent too long in the military as an infantry officer, including from the plans and ops side, to believe anything other than that AFRICOM, responsible for military operations in Egypt and Libya, would not have had contingency plans operational and soldiers suited up and on alert for just such an attack as occurred in Benghazi. Knowing what I know, anything else is inconceivable. The one person we have yet to hear from is General Ham, the Commander of AFRICOM on Sep. 11, 2012. He has not been heard from since Sept. 11, 2012, but he was relieved of his command early, a little more than a month after the attack. Get him in front of a hearing and we will get full and honest answers to why there was a complete lack of military response, leaving our State Dept. and CIA personnel in Benghazi to fight and die wholly on their own.

Wolf Howling on May 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

‘The fact remains — as we have repeatedly indicated — that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night.’

– George Little, Pentagon spokesman

I call bullsh-t. And I don’t care how much fruit salad is hanging on the front of your jacket.

A Navy Seal is not going to paint a target with a laser designator (in this case a jihadi mortar position) unless air assets are already in the area.

Someone was told to turn around.

CurtZHP on May 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Genuine on May 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Are you honestly attempting to revive that worn out meme that Benghazi shouldn’t be an issue because embassies were attacked under Bush?

Well, I’m not in the mood to actually point out in detail the difference between being left hanging on the phone in a nine hour firefight while you wait in an unfortified, unprotected building, being defended by two ex-Seals with a couple of machine guns, and wondering if you’re going to die or worse, while the President goes to bed so he won’t be tired at his fundraiser in Vegas and, oh yeah, doesn’t order anyone to help……. and being in a well-defended up-to-spec compound in which someone makes a suicide attack that is unable to really get at the occupants and is over in a matter of minutes and nothing much could have done to prevent it in the first place.

So don’t start, or I’ll have to point out that it’s the stupidest equivalence made in the last 20 years of political discourse, that completely ignores the terror, pain and suffering of the people on site and the families who have now had to endure 8 months of obfuscation, not to mention the poor guy who still rots in jail because it was convenient to blame it on a video when open intelligence before the fact was pointing to attacks on 9/11/12, and who is probably a dead man if he is released because it was convenient to Obama’s campaign to blame some poor clown with a video camera to avoid admitting anything.

So, given that, maybe it would be better if you don’t bring it up.

lynncgb on May 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What’s with the family of Chris Stevens? They’ve been awfully quiet. Are they Dem loyalists?

Mark1971 on May 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM

NO ONE KNEW HOW LONG THE ATTACK WOULD LAST. No one knew if it would be over in minutes, hours, days, weeks, or even months or years, for that matter.

Resist We Much 10:08am

Apparently this can’t be stated too much. Team Shrills essentially pulled an Elijah Cummings before it was an Elijah Cummings: “Death is a part of life.” Meaning, as the night went on, it could be that other assets could have been kidnapped, tortured, to be later murdered. The sooner you can track the perpetrators, the better chance the victims have. So, at some point, Team Pounds-Her-Fists determined that assets were expendable enough not to try to do SOMETHING for them while they might still be alive.

LetsBfrank on May 9, 2013 at 10:36 AM

What lies did she tell trying to get rid of Nixon?

blink on May 9, 2013 at 10:30 AM

http://digitaljournal.com/article/252624

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1995278/posts

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Nordstrom suggested the board’s report attempted to protect higher-ranking officials, and specifically faulted it for not looking at the key role played by Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy in failing to deliver the request for more security to Clinton.

He said a similar failure occurred in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya, which killed 19 Americans.

“[The ARB] has decided to fix responsibility on the assistant secretary level and below,” said Nordstrom. “And the message to my colleagues is that if you’re above a certain level, no matter what your decision is no one’s going to question it.

“I look back and I see the last time we had a major attack was East Africa. Who was in that same position, when the unheeded messengers … were raising those concerns? It just so happens it was the same person. The under secretary for management was in that same role before.

Ouch!!! This means that Under Secretary Patrick Kennedy, who worked for the Clinton Administration in 1998, prevented warning messages about possible attacks on embassies from reaching Bill Clinton and then-Secretary of State Madeleine Allbright.

Over a decade later, Hillary Clinton, now Secretary of State herself, hires the same guy who misinformed her husband? Or did Hillary deliberately hire him to take the fall for her and protect her from political trouble due to foreign policy failures or embassy attacks in troubled countries?

Methinks that Rep. Issa will want to bring Patrick Kennedy before his committee and do some serious ‘splainin’…

Steve Z on May 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM

From Jerry Zeifman:

Hillary assured me that she had not drafted, and would not advocate, any such rules changes. However, as documented in my personal diary, I soon learned that she had lied. She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them. In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. In so doing she simply ignored the fact that in the committee’s then most recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:43 AM


The fact remains — as we have repeatedly indicated — that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night.’

– George Little, Pentagon spokesman
I call bullsh-t. And I don’t care how much fruit salad is hanging on the front of your jacket.

A Navy Seal is not going to paint a target with a laser designator (in this case a jihadi mortar position) unless air assets are already in the area.

Someone was told to turn around.

CurtZHP on May 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Funny, the Pentagon BS presumes they knew when the attack(s) would end.

It is a non-starter as an argument. How would they possibly know if lives might be saved in the midst of an attack?

matthew8787 on May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Fox News is reporting that Speaker Boehner is about to have a news conference. They are speculating that he is going to announce a Select Committee WITH SUBPOENA power to investigate Benghazi!!!

texgal on May 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM

What’s with the family of Chris Stevens? They’ve been awfully quiet. Are they Dem loyalists?

Mark1971 on May 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Maybe they are just private people. I know I sure as hell would not make the death of a loved one into a public spectacle the way those filthy deranged Newtown people did.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM

blink on May 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM

You’re welcome.

Fox News is reporting that Speaker Boehner is about to have a news conference. They are speculating that he is going to announce a Select Committee WITH SUBPOENA power to investigate Benghazi!!!

texgal on May 9, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Wow. If that happens, dems will go absolutely batshit crazy.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:58 AM

um crazi er.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I found it interesting that Hicks testified that the Amb. was in Benghazi because Clinton wanted to make it a permanent post…
Wolf Howling on May 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

That doesn’t pass the smell test, either. That may have been what he was told, but it wasn’t the reason.

itsacookbook on May 9, 2013 at 11:00 AM

dogsoldier

I suspect that Issa and Gowdy already have a copy of the email and the Dems know it.

luckybogey on May 9, 2013 at 11:00 AM

No mention of Killary perjury when she was before Congress the first time around? The woman stone-cold lied to protect her own inglorious and shabby self.

Bishop on May 9, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Some folks responded she wasn’t under oath round one…

hillsoftx on May 9, 2013 at 8:26 AM

She has a GOOJ card on that one anyway, that’s the ‘testimony’ she gave after getting drunk and falling and hitting her head knocking her cross-eyed.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Why weren’t General Ham and Admiral Gaouette subpoenaed?

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.

- David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
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ITguy on May 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Susan Rice better be made to testify. She better be asked who told her to say it was a youtube video. Then, have that person testify about who told him/her to say it was the video. If not, it is game over.

Decoski on May 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM

“wHAT DOES IT MATTER?!” — “Hillary Clinton Accepts Public Service Award In Beverly Hills On Day of Benghazi Hearings…”

“Susan Rice Honored With ‘Great American’ Award…”

– “I was stunned….my jaw dropped …I was embarrassed.”

Amen, brother….AMEN!

easyt65 on May 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

As a woman, I am truly embarrassed at the incompetence of all the women involved in the Benghazi mess:

Hillary Clinton
Susan Rice
Cheryl Mills
Candy Crowley

Have I left anyone out?

monalisa on May 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

If Susan Rice is a “Great American”, the standards have most assuredly dropped.

kingsjester on May 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM

My hunch:

With Obama sleeping nicely, his campaign heard information they were not authorized to hear, and made decisions they were not authorized to make.

Youngs98 on May 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM

slickwillie2001

All in due time. Set back and get out the popcorn.

Rome was not destroyed in one day…

luckybogey on May 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Look to the foreign press for the real coverage of Benghazi. The American State Run Media has committed suicide and no longer represent the American people. They represent the Prog/Marxist movement in America.

d1carter on May 9, 2013 at 11:18 AM

At the very start of his compelling testimony yesterday, Hicks mentioned that he placed a call to Stevens specifically to alert him to what was going on at the embassy in Cairo. He wanted to be sure he was aware of it.
I would imagine (since speculation is the name of the game here) that in the early stages of the attack, Hicks would have had this on his mind – along with many others.
So indeed we learned nothing new. The initial reports were based on assumptions informed by real events that had occurred. As additional details became known, the analysis of what went on evolved.
But because the information and reports did indeed evolve, conspiracists insist this somehow proves many many many people in the administration, the state department, congress, and the military are ‘lying’ – they have all participated in a great ‘cover up’. Yet there is still zero evidence. Hicks ‘heard from someone’ that fighters could be there in a few hours. And from that, it is coluded for so many that fighters could have been there in a few hours. So now someone high up needs to explain to Issa & co why those those fighters that they heard someone heard could be there in a few hours, were not there in a few hours.
So indeed, so nothing really new here.

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Yesterday was a very sad day for America. The interference by the Dem’s in trying to find out what really happened and what led to the deaths of four Americans was un-American.

rjoco1 on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

So indeed, so nothing really new here.
verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

kingsjester on May 9, 2013 at 11:21 AM

So indeed, so nothing really new here.

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

So you still believe that it happened because of a Youtube movie?

Gelsomina on May 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

My hunch:

With Obama sleeping nicely, his campaign heard information they were not authorized to hear, and made decisions they were not authorized to make.

Youngs98 on May 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM

That’s what I’m thinking.

If Obama truely did give the order “do everything to secure our personnel” and somebody disobeyed, heads would roll.

However, if it was someone in his inner circle, the poltical circle, then of course, that person would have to be protected.

WisRich on May 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM

If Chris Stevens were alive he’d tell the Republicans to stop bothering poor Hillary and Barack about Benghazi.

profitsbeard on May 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The truth about what happened will come out, and the media democrat complex will do what they always do.. lie, spin, distort, deny anything new came out, call calm and respectful republicans screaming hacks, and democrat morom hacks like that idiot Cummings a statesman with no axe to grind..

Stewart will spin and distort, the evening news will smear the whistle blowers.. and the usual democrat till the grave types will accept the easy lies so they can sleep at night..

but.. the majority, those who saw through the whitewash, the independents who are open minded, the military families who care more about lives than liberal @ss covering.. many many vets sick that our own were left to die..

The Ranger creed, “never leave a man behind”..

is the creed of all veterans, all decent Americans..

To not only do it, then have dem party hacks, their party lemmings on the web, tell us it was necessary.. and who cares anyway?…

They just don’t get that we’re not all brain dead hacks like them..

No president, minus Carter and Obama would EVER have left Americans to die and gone to bed.. Clinton came close, but those men were saved, they were never left to their fate in Mogadishu..

Bin Laden himself said he learned we were too weak to survive from the Clinton reaction there..

what have his successors learned from Obama?

That Republicans fight back.. and draw down the lightening.. and democrats weasel and whine, then blame everything on underlings while smiling about it..

We’ll be decades dealing with the aftermath of Obama’s cowardice.

mark81150 on May 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Where is the filmmaker at this point? If he’s in jail, shouldn’t somebody let him out?

Where are the people who survived the attack in Benghazi, and their families?

hawksruleva on May 9, 2013 at 11:28 AM

That’s what I’m thinking.

If Obama truely did give the order “do everything to secure our personnel” and somebody disobeyed, heads would roll.

However, if it was someone in his inner circle, the poltical circle, then of course, that person would have to be protected.

WisRich on May 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM

One other scenario. Obama, in the situation room, tells them to “secure our personel”

Obama, outside the situation room, tells he advisors “I don’t want another mogadishu, understand”

WisRich on May 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Sounds like Patrick Kennedy consistently sends request for extra security into the junk drawer. Maybe Congress should ask for a list of requests for add’l security, and a list of how those requests were resolved?

hawksruleva on May 9, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Sorry, I am pessimistic before I have had a full cup of coffee.

bitsy on May 9, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Hold up! Are you over 18?

cptacek on May 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM

We’ll be decades dealing with the aftermath of Obama’s cowardice.

mark81150 on May 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I think we’re still cleaning up after Carter.

the_souse on May 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM

So you still believe that it happened because of a Youtube movie?

Gelsomina on May 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Who currently says this all happened because of a youtube video?
I also don’t currently think that the marathon bombers were the guys that the NY Post put on their front page April 18th.

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

My hunch:

With Obama sleeping nicely, his campaign heard information they were not authorized to hear, and made decisions they were not authorized to make.

Youngs98 on May 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I doubt he was sleeping. He was watching late-night Sportscenter, which at this White House is a do-not-disturb event.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

My hunch:

With Obama sleeping nicely, his campaign heard information they were not authorized to hear, and made decisions they were not authorized to make.

Youngs98 on May 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Negative…WEEKS after the attack – WEEKS after they already knew the name of the Jihadist group claiming responsibility, after the report had been received, after they had the proof this was a terrorist attack – Obama continued to call this a result of that BS ‘video’. Obama knew. Obama lied. Americans died.

easyt65 on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

One other scenario. Obama, in the situation room, tells them to “secure our personel”

Obama, outside the situation room, tells he advisors “I don’t want another mogadishu, understand”

WisRich on May 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM

That would be a reasonable, considered response, though I wouldn’t agree with that handling. I’d understand if Obama considered sending forces, but decided against it to avoid a bigger engagement and more deaths. Heck, that would even fit with what we know about terrorist tactics – they often try to draw more people into their kill zone.

But I don’t for a moment believe that was how this situation went down.

hawksruleva on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

“What does it matter?”

“Death is a part of life.”

“Forward…”

easyt65 on May 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Fourteen days after the Benghazi attack, the POTUS stood before the UN and blamed the attack on the Youtube video…

This cover story(lie) went to the highest levels of our government.

d1carter on May 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM

But I don’t for a moment believe that was how this situation went down.

hawksruleva on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

No reason to believe it. Obama doesn’t have an alibi for that evening. No one has said they were with him at any point until his wake up call the next day.

It has been reported the WH Situation room was not activated on Sept 11 at any time.

So where was Obama? Somewhere there is an O-6 (Capt. or Colonel) that knows exactly where Obama was. That O-6 would be the guy with the football, and is never more than a closed door away from the POTUS at any time.

BobMbx on May 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM

How does anyone explain this administration not having our Embassies prepared and protected on the anniversary of 9/11? 20 Embassies were attacked that day – numerous overrun, ransacked, burned….

How does anyone explain this administration / State Department ordering Marines defending the embassy in Cairo to NOT carry live ammo that day (9/11/12), especially considering ‘the Intel report’. (Intel Report: A rival terrorist group in Egypt told the Muslim Brotherhood they were going to take part in the Middle East-wide attacks on 9/11, that if they did not allow it to happen they would spread the word the Brotherhood was a U.S. puppet, & that the Brotherhood agreed as long as no Americans were killed. Speculation is that the Brotherhood then called the Obama administration to negotiate a deal where the Marines were disarmed to prevent any attackers being killed — terrorists get their attack, the Brotherhood save face, no Americans die, & it only cost us 1 Embassy in Cairo …?!)

easyt65 on May 9, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Yesterday was a very sad day for America. The interference by the Dem’s in trying to find out what really happened and what led to the deaths of four Americans was un-American.

rjoco1 on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

As has been most of the media ‘coverage’ of the events.

Midas on May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM

or they took advantage of the media’s reporting to obscure some politically difficult news.

NO REALLY???? YOU DON’T SAY???

Pffffft.

kim roy on May 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Why do Republicans insist on politicizing the Obama administrations politicization of Benghazi?

/libtards

gwelf on May 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Trey Gowdy just told Bill Hemmer that there are additional whistleblowers warming up in the bullpen.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Ahhhh. That warms my cold little heart. Thank you for this.

kim roy on May 9, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Obama continued to call this a result of that BS ‘video’. Obama knew. Obama lied. Americans died.

easyt65 on May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Not to mention that one movie maker (no, not Cecil B DE Mille) went to prison to rot. Did he take that hit just to get Obama re-elected?

Don L on May 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Genuine on May 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Are you honestly attempting to revive that worn out meme that Benghazi shouldn’t be an issue because embassies were attacked under Bush?

Well, I’m not in the mood to actually point out in detail the difference between being left hanging on the phone in a nine hour firefight while you wait in an unfortified, unprotected building, being defended by two ex-Seals with a couple of machine guns, and wondering if you’re going to die or worse, while the President goes to bed so he won’t be tired at his fundraiser in Vegas and, oh yeah, doesn’t order anyone to help……. and being in a well-defended up-to-spec compound in which someone makes a suicide attack that is unable to really get at the occupants and is over in a matter of minutes and nothing much could have done to prevent it in the first place.

So don’t start, or I’ll have to point out that it’s the stupidest equivalence made in the last 20 years of political discourse, that completely ignores the terror, pain and suffering of the people on site and the families who have now had to endure 8 months of obfuscation, not to mention the poor guy who still rots in jail because it was convenient to blame it on a video when open intelligence before the fact was pointing to attacks on 9/11/12, and who is probably a dead man if he is released because it was convenient to Obama’s campaign to blame some poor clown with a video camera to avoid admitting anything.

So, given that, maybe it would be better if you don’t bring it up.

lynncgb on May 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Pleasure to read. Needs to be read again.

kim roy on May 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM

This cover story(lie) went to the highest levels of our government.

d1carter on May 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM

You mean Valerie Jarret gave the marching orders?

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Trey Gowdy just told Bill Hemmer that there are additional whistleblowers warming up in the bullpen.

Naturally Curly on May 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I will not matter.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM

There is so much talk about the State Department, and it is correct to criticize the incompetence of the leadership of that organization. But lets get serious, the State Department does not have the power to call off any military action that might have saved some of those lives. This is a cover up starting right from the top, and that means Obama and his administration. What is really needed here is special counsel investigation, politicians always do a poor job on things like this, if they are not playing for the cameras their questions are weak and not followed up. At this rate we will never get the truth.

savage24 on May 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM

So indeed, so nothing really new here.

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

So you still believe that it happened because of a Youtube movie?

Gelsomina on May 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I believe Verbby would do what Chriss Matthews would do.. deny everything, blame their incompetence on the fact opposition to their messiah is even permitted to exit.. Attack the integrity of men who have everything to loose, nothing to gain, for telling the truth that the left does not want told.. Attack them for wanting the record straight for the dead men they knew..

I also believe that were Obama to be taped shooting 10 year olds in the head on the capitol steps..

He would find a way to justify and excuse it.. while simultaneously denying it happened..

and “what difference does it make”…

It was a relatively calm time in the cold war,. and while on routine patrol in an Air Force Base WSA, priority A,.. checking the coolant lights on a propellant fuel storage bunker.. the amber light which must always be ON.. went black. That meant, the coolant was off, and we were facing a massive spill of an extremely toxic ammonia based gas. We were within two hundred yards of civilian housing.

I stepped out, and the stench of ammonia was gagging..

I called it in.

The reaction was our people at their best.. They immediately began evacuating the Area, the County Sheriff was called to evacuate the civilians and we began to build a 2,000 meter exclusion zone for a Broken Arrow. Wing Command overrode our SP net, and began tracking everything and pulling more SP’s from the barracks in a full court press. The MSGT… was waiting for us as my two man patrol rolled up. They needed absolute confirmation..

So.. He grabbed me by both shoulders and asked me, if I would return to the fuel bunker, and communicate with the Wing Commander. The protocols were well known, I knew what he was asking me to do.. and he said I could refuse, no shame attached. But I was looking at my partner and knew that they’d ask him if I said no.

I told him to stay behind, he refused.. and got in the truck.

We rode back, and the two star Major General at Wing broke on the net. He asked me to stop at 100 meters out, and walk in, with NBC gear on, though it was little protection, the filters wouldn’t stop it.

He was pretty soft spoken, never heard a General speak like that before. Then he asked me if I was prepared to follow procedures, again, telling me I could refuse.. and, again I tried waving my partner off.. but he wouldn’t go, he promised me, if.. he wouldn’t go back without me.

So I did what we trained for, and took off my gear at ground zero. The stench was thick still, the light out.. waited 30 seconds, put my mask back on cleared it, then breathed again.. waiting to see if my skin blistered, eyes were blinded.. throat burned.. after that the General spoke to me again, and said there is no shame in leaving now.. but it was like I couldn’t,.. and I kept wondering which friend, which airman would have to take my place.

So I whispered a prayer, and took the mask off again, and began breathing normally..
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The short version,.. I’m still here, we had the misfortune of double failures. A simple burned out light, and a chemical plant two miles down the road with a massive ammonia spill to confuse the situation, we were never told when it happened, so after about 6 hours, we returned to normal status..

My friends called me nuts.. the Wing issued a personal citation to my record, and life went on..

and 30 years later, I still wake up from it.

But the saving comfort, was the promise, I would not be left behind, alive.. or not, I would go home. Even the High Command at Wing knew how important that is to a 21 year old asked to walk into death. I still can’t answer for why I volunteered when asked, except, my Flight was my family, and I couldn’t let someone else go there instead.

Never leave a man behind..

That matters Mrs. Clinton, more than you’ll ever know.

I was never that brave, even that night my hands shook, but,.. it had to be done, and Senior Airman Robert Skyler, thank you for staying with me..

ask any of the military people you know, meet, that promise is everything..

and why I cannot just forgive this betrayal..

mark81150 on May 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

How long until the WH’s first invocation of national security concerns or Executive Privilege as a reason to deny documents or testimony on Benghazi?

If/when they do this they will be tacitly admitting there is more to the story than the “old news” the ABR “thoroughly” covered.

What did Obama know and when did he know it? If nothing, why not?

What decisions did Obama make and when did he make them. If none, why none?

What orders did Obama give, when did he give them, and who did he give them to? If none, why none?

Was Comrade O an “I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing, I do nothing” President on 9/11/2012?

farsighted on May 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

So as an afterthought, my opinion of Richard Nixon has changed. I did think he was a crook. Now I think he was just protecting his best interest and the interest of the nation – after all – look who was elected at the end of the Ford term. As bad as Carter was, just think of the disaster McGovern would have been.

His only mistake was to forget to give the Justice Dept., Congress, and the media a stand-down order.

Nixon is owed a posthumous apology by any who impugned his character.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 12:11 PM

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

lol verb still peddling the “information was evolving” line … how ignorant.

information was evolving all right, from more correct to less correct, and from more damaging to less damaging

rightmind on May 9, 2013 at 12:12 PM

mark81150 on May 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

YOU are such a brave and honorable man! What you did was, IMHO, above and beyond the call of duty!

Thank you soooooooooo much for sharing your story {hugs}…

I thank you with all my heart for your Service to this country!

Thank You mark81150 and your buddy Senior Airman Robert Skyler!!

Scrumpy on May 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM

None of this will matter. Just get yourselves ready for the re-eduction camps. At the moment the smoking guns are found, Boehner will make a deal and this will all disappear. A gang of gang for the ages will appear in the Senate and smooth the way for Hillary and Obama.

None of this will matter. Nothing will be done. An election was thrown by the media. They know it, and they are proud of it.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM

verbaluce on May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM

lol verb still peddling the “information was evolving” line … how ignorant.

information was evolving all right, from more correct to less correct, and from more damaging to less damaging

rightmind on May 9, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Actually, the information isn’t evolving, and never really has been. What’s been ‘evolving’ is the cover-up story.

Additionally, no amount of 20/20 hindsight in terms of “help couldn’t have gotten there in time anyway” matters. They didn’t know that at the time – couldn’t have known whether the attacks would be over in 10 minutes, 10 hours or 10 days – and they chose to tell help to ‘stand down’ anyway.

And lastly, they made that call not knowing that ‘only’ 4 Americans would die – they made it knowing that 30-ish American lives were on the line – and they chose to tell help to ‘stand down’ anyway.

Midas on May 9, 2013 at 12:23 PM

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