Unknown senator blocks Mike Lee’s resolution condemning “abusive, unsanitary, and illegal” abortion practices

posted at 12:01 pm on May 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m glad. I’d much rather see a roll-call vote on this than have it fly under the radar by passing with unanimous consent. I trust some pro-choice Democrats were hoping that would happen so that they could plead later that they were caught napping by Lee’s attempt to “hotline” the bill and would have/should have opposed it. Now they’ll have their chance. Let’s get everyone on the record.

Lee’s statement:

“It is difficult to imagine why anyone would object to a non-binding resolution calling on Congress to investigate these alleged disturbing, horrific, and illegal abortion practices committed by Kermit Gosnell and others,” said Senator Lee, who filed the resolution on Monday evening. “With numerous reports of similar instances surfacing around the country, the need for greater regulatory oversight of these so-called clinics is so plainly obvious it strains the limits of disbelief to think all members of the Senate would not agree. The resolution is simply an affirmation that we as a country – a moral and compassionate society – have an interest in acting to save the lives of innocent women and children, and to prevent these kinds of heinous acts from happening to anyone again.”

The full text of the resolution is posted on his website. Chances are it’s not the abusive/unsanitary/illegal language that drew the objection — although who knows what some abortion warriors will endorse at this point in the interest of keeping “choice” free from government regulation — but rather the language about viability. Quote:

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There’s other language in the preamble that liberals will blanch at (“women and children in the United States deserve better than the 56,145,920 abortions that have been performed in the United States since” Roe) but that idea, that it’s time to take a fresh look at what the timeframe for a legal abortion should be, is what will probably make the Senate’s pro-choicers walk. Watch the end of S.E. Cupp’s commentary below for a smart point about that. The reason Gosnell’s case makes abortion-rights supporters nervous is because it gets people thinking about viability, which in turn is apt to get them thinking about medical advances over the last 40 years to save the lives of babies born ever more prematurely. Viability ain’t what it used to be, but the Party of Science™ and Progress is determined to preserve the status quo, even if it means having government look the other way at clinics like Gosnell’s in the name of keeping abortion safe, legal, and rare extremely common.

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even if it means having government look the other way at clinics like Gosnell’s in the name of keeping abortion safe, legal, and rare extremely common.

Keeping it legal and profitable is what its about. Safety and rarity have little or nothing to do with the status quo.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM

ROFL

Apparently the ‘rats support dirty, unsanitary, craphole abortion facilities in which every woman who enters to get an abortion is put immediately at risk.

#waronthewomenses

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Let’s just get everybody on record here.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I got a hundred bucks that says it was a donk and fifty bucks that it was Boxer or Feinstein, my twisted senators.

jukin3 on May 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Abortion is the only ‘right’ that is absolute, and paid for by government.

Think a little more, just for fun, and apply the same standard to the Bill of Rights.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I got a hundred bucks that says it was a donk and fifty bucks that it was Boxer or Feinstein, my twisted senators.

jukin3 on May 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I wouldn’t lay open that money if I were you. Democrats will want to tax it.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Well how else are we going to fill our crockpots?

rbj on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Well how else are we going to fill our crockpots?

rbj on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Oh, did you have to go there? Maybe I’ll skip lunch now.

Othniel on May 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Hey! any trolls want to weigh in on this ‘Gosnell thread’?

You out there, nonpartisan? Let’s read what you have to say!

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

How does the Left justify the number of abortions? It would appear to me that Planned Parenthood is another failed government funded enterprise.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Oh, and how and why is this senator unknown?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

My money’s on Boxer as being the unknown senator.

Mark1971 on May 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Like somebody remarked earlier:

They have lied about rare; why wouldn’t they lie about safe too..

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

>40 Senators blocking a substantive bill: Not Okay
1 Senator blocking a non-binding resolution: Okay

/liblogic

blammm on May 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

How does the Left justify the number of abortions?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

They don’t have to ‘justify’ anything. They know better than us rubes.

So shut up and stop asking questions, or the IRS will audit you. And if you missed paying your taxes — your required ‘fair share’ by 25 cents — it will be national news. Chris Matthews will have a field day with you!

“A conservative *spit* commentator on Hot Air failed to pay her taxes to the tune of twenty-five cents, thereby denying much-needed food and medical care to the homeless. This is a horrible uncaring person. To comment, I introduce the esteemed Senator from New York, the Most Honorable Charles Schumer…”

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

“Unknown” Senator evidently doesn’t have the strength of his/her convictions to put their name on anything.

GarandFan on May 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Oh, and how and why is this senator unknown?

You can bet if it were a Republican doing something like this, the name would be on Twitter within minutes.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Oh, and how and why is this senator unknown?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Because the LSM is terrified that We the People will finally learn the truth about Democrats and other liberals.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Unknown senator

What, did s/he have a mask on or something? In ‘the world’s premier deliberative body’ there should be a public record of everything anyone does.

James on May 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

“Unknown” Senator evidently doesn’t have the strength of his/her convictions to put their name on anything.

His/her convictions are in power and money. A name revealed could do damage in retaining access to both. Obviously representing the interests of those who profit in the status quo.

The Lefts War on Women continues.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

What, did s/he have a mask on or something? In ‘the world’s premier deliberative body’ there should be a public record of everything anyone does.

James on May 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

It was likely a ‘national security’ thing. /

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

we need more ‘xy’s law’ kneejerk legislation.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

we need more ‘xy’s law’ kneejerk legislation.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

You are so brilliant in your nothingness!

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

democrats equal baby killers….democrats care nothing about woman either….real feminists are pro life, the others are fakes

crosshugger on May 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Democrats protecting their cash flow. Once again, life unfortunately trails behind financial power.

Kingfisher on May 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

we need more ‘xy’s law’ kneejerk legislation.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

You’re right, we should outlaw abortion. Thank you for your support.

Kingfisher on May 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Oh so cleanliness is knee jerk but expanding background checks for gun owners is necessary? Interesting.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Viability ain’t what it used to be

Are you a neonatologist or ob? For the past twenty-thirty years viability has always been in the 23-24 week zone. Nowadays more neonates born in that zone aren’t dying at the rates they used to. But the zone of viability has remained quite constant. It’s like breast cancer. People think we’ve made great leaps in breast cancer and its true women are living longer but actually the number of women getting breast cancer has never declined, it’s actually increased. You’re never going to see a 21-22 weeker survive a preterm birth that early.

Marcus on May 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

time to ban all scissors.

kirkill on May 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Oh so cleanliness is knee jerk but expanding background checks for gun owners is necessary?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Welcome to libthink, Cindy.

The best way to defeat a liberal is to think like one while remaining Conservative/sensible.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

The liberal trolls are here again denying they know anything about biological science.

kirkill on May 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

ROFL

Apparently the ‘rats support dirty, unsanitary, craphole abortion facilities in which every woman who enters to get an abortion is put immediately at risk.

#waronthewomenses

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I thought this was our fault. Women wouldn’t be forced into places like Gosnell’s “clinic” if conservatives didn’t oppose strangling babies in the street.

Though I’m not sure why we’re responsible for all of the multiple regulatory “failures” that didn’t shut Gosnell down.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

The liberal trolls are here again denying they know anything about biological science.

kirkill on May 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Ain’t no such thing. But Global warming? THAT’S science!

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

I don’t think I have the knack for that.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

we need more ‘xy’s law’ kneejerk legislation.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

It’s heartening to see one of the champions of big government and the angelic nature of regulatory oversight completely dismiss the multiple regulatory failures that kept Gosnell in business.

If you support regulators turning a blind eye to a medical facility covered in cat poop and baby parts and that took emergency services 20 minutes to find an exit then I imagine you’d also support the same thing in regards to regulating anything else.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Though I’m not sure why we’re responsible for all of the multiple regulatory “failures” that didn’t shut Gosnell down.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

You don’t have to know why. The accusation itself is enough to condemn you and make you guilty, according to liberals.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

kirkill on May 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

How about just filthy ones inserted into people? Oh wait, I think that, except the filthy part, that might already be illegal. What, filthy is okay as long as the person has just been delivered from another person? Anyway, more laws not to be enforced, S.O.S. different day.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I don’t think I have the knack for that.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Then lie your azz off. It’s what liberals do all the time.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Oh so cleanliness is knee jerk but expanding background checks for gun owners is necessary? Interesting.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

no, it’s obvious that expanding background checks is knee jerk but a hysterical reaction (by a ‘libertarian’, no less) to a murder case is rational.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

we’re so much better than the Nazi’s, right ?

except that we too have death camps in every state, mostly paid for by the state.

“if only we could save one child”
- if only, I agree.

williampeck1958 on May 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM

we need more ‘xy’s law’ kneejerk legislation.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

We do need more regulation of the abortion industry. It isn’t knee jerk. Gosnell shone a light on the fact that the Gosnell abortion clinic was NOT a rarity. Illinois started looking at their clinics and found they hadn’t inspected them in FIFTEEN years. What medical facility do you know hasn’t been inspected in fifteen years. Heck what restaurant or nail salon do you know goes that long?

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

no, it’s obvious that expanding background checks is knee jerk but a hysterical reaction (by a ‘libertarian’, no less) to a murder case is rational.

Thanks for expounding on the view from the crackhouse.

tom daschle concerned on May 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

56 million innocents murdered…

Now, if it were 56 people shot…the Left would be all over it screaming bloody murder…demanding that it stop, no matter what. Arrests demanded, laws passed, supporters of guns put in prison or put to death…as a couple anti-NRA signs suggested.

But this…the underlying theme…that the unborn are nothing but meat in a crock pot…and that life is of value only when the state says so…well, that’s something every single fascist dictator and repressive regime in history has held dear.

Fascism is fascism…

And it finds root when people have no problem when the State determines what is and what isn’t life…or who is worthy of life and who is not.

Those camps? The one’s liberals once pledged “never again?”

Pretty hollow words.

[That 56 million? Makes Adolf, Stalin and Mao look like amateurs.]

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

no, it’s obvious that expanding background checks is knee jerk but a hysterical reaction (by a ‘libertarian’, no less) to a murder case is rational.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The difference is more regulation and more inspections would have actually PREVENTED Gosnell, so none of the laws are “knee jerk.” The current gun control laws are in response to Sandy Hill and NONE of them would have prevented Sandy Hill. That is the definition of knee jerk legislation.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

no, it’s obvious that expanding background checks is knee jerk but a hysterical reaction (by a ‘libertarian’, no less) to a murder case is rational.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Knee jerk reaction?
Gosnell operated for years and years killing babies (illegally) in conditions which should have had his facility shut down. The trial brought to light multiple and repeated instances of the regulatory authorities willfully turning a blind eye. They didn’t want to know because if you’re an abortion doctor then you’re doing the work of the Lord state.

Whether or not you think new laws regarding abortion is irrelevant – the current laws were flagrantly violated and ignored. Yet you, as a liberal, who counts on the “goodness” of government oversight isn’t concerned at all by this monumental failure.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:46 PM

You’re never going to see a 21-22 weeker survive a preterm birth that early.

Marcus on May 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

You were saying:

The world’s youngest surviving baby, born at 21 weeks and six days and weighing just 10 ounces, is due to be discharged from hospital this week after a battle for life described as miraculous.

Viability is not a static term. It is solely based on the level of technology and advancement.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

no, it’s obvious that expanding background checks is knee jerk but a hysterical reaction (by a ‘libertarian’, no less) to a murder case is rational.

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

What — a liberal like YOU saying Gosnell is a murderer?

You’re full of sh*t. You want him to get off.

What really bugs YOU, LLLLLLiberal, is that evidence is coming out that shows Gosnell isn’t the ‘aberration’ you liberals seek to claim.

So, don’t try playing the role of ‘conservative’ in hop you might gain some genuine cred. YOU are a liberal, and we here know YOU all too well.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

We do need more regulation of the abortion industry. It isn’t knee jerk. Gosnell shone a light on the fact that the Gosnell abortion clinic was NOT a rarity. Illinois started looking at their clinics and found they hadn’t inspected them in FIFTEEN years. What medical facility do you know hasn’t been inspected in fifteen years. Heck what restaurant or nail salon do you know goes that long?

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Well, abortion is the untouchable sacrament of the secular left.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Advances in the care of extremely premature infants mean that about 70 percent of these tiny newborns now survive their first year of life, Swedish researchers report.

The number of preterm births is increasing worldwide, and advances in perinatal medicine have increased survival. That means that neonatal intensive care can now be lifesaving even for the most premature infants — those born between 22 and 26 weeks of gestation.

The news is important, the researchers said, because if parents and doctors believe a preemie’s chances for survival are already slim, less aggressive care might be extended.

But the new results suggest that the evaluation of “extremely preterm babies should be done individually, considering both the survival chances and the morbidity risks,” said Dr. Karel Marsal, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Lund University and the lead researcher.

“The survival rates of extremely preterm infants are high, even at the borders of viability,” he noted.

The report is published in the June 3 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=7739600&page=1

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

As Gosnell and others have shown…there is no difference between the Planned Parenthood Gosnell’s and those legendary dark back alley abortionists…except that now, we, the People, are required to help pay for it.

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

sesquipedalian on May 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Please explain how an abortion clinic isn’t a medical facility that, you would think, fall under any and all regulations that all other medical facilities must adhere to? Breathlessly await your explanation of the difference?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

As Gosnell and others have shown…there is no difference between the Planned Parenthood Gosnell’s and those legendary dark back alley abortionists…except that now, we, the People, are required to help pay for it.

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

And that’s the dark dirty secret liberals don’t want known.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

The difference is more regulation and more inspections would have actually PREVENTED Gosnell, so none of the laws are “knee jerk.” The current gun control laws are in response to Sandy Hill and NONE of them would have prevented Sandy Hill. That is the definition of knee jerk legislation.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

That’s the thing. We have enough (more than enough) laws to cover 99.999% of everything we want/need laws to cover. But having too many laws is part of the liberal scheme: when you have too many laws to realistically comply with all of them then you get to pick and choose which ones and in what circumstances you enforce them.

There were sufficient laws to deal with Gosnell and his ilk – the authorities just choose not to enforce them. As you say, if you run most any other kind of business the government is going to harass you, run an abortion mill and it’s hands off.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Please explain how an abortion clinic isn’t a medical facility that, you would think, fall under any and all regulations that all other medical facilities must adhere to? Breathlessly await your explanation of the difference?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Virgina had a bill to make abortion clinics mills meet hospital standards. The baby killers opposed it tooth-and-nail.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I still want to know who this masked comic Senator is who holds up this bill.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it’s McCain and/or Graham.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

If abortion were sooo important to the life and safety of the mother…don’t you think that every major medical center would devote wings and wards and millions of dollars in facilities and research to take care of that major threat to health, and well being? Mayo Clinic would have a huge facility. Cleveland Clinic would encompass hundreds of acres. University of Michigan would spill over into Wayne County…such a threat to mothers this thing is according to the Left. Can’t have mothers dying, getting sick, being endangered in back alley clinics, you know.

If one cannot figure out non-invasive birth control at this late stage of our technological advancement…to include not gettin’ jiggy with it…do they actually want us all to believe, and accept, that invasive abortion is the only way?

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

That’s the thing. We have enough (more than enough) laws to cover 99.999% of everything we want/need laws to cover. But having too many laws is part of the liberal scheme: when you have too many laws to realistically comply with all of them then you get to pick and choose which ones and in what circumstances you enforce them.

There were sufficient laws to deal with Gosnell and his ilk – the authorities just choose not to enforce them. As you say, if you run most any other kind of business the government is going to harass you, run an abortion mill and it’s hands off.

gwelf on May 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Pennsylvania tightened its law AFTER Gosnell, but before him- abortion clinics had less restrictions than other outpatient surgery centers i.e., their doorways didn’t have to be big enough to fit a gurney or a stretcher for patient transport..

The fact is that abortion isn’t regulated. We don’t have a lot of laws on the books for it. It should be covered at least the same way any other out patient surgery center is covered, but anytime a state tries to do this-leftist bi+ch.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Abortion is a ‘medical procedure’ when liberals want to make it a talking point.

But in practical reality, created by liberals, abortion and proper medicine are not compatible. That’s how we get judges saying it’s perfectly okay to give a ten-year-old the morning-after pill over the counter, on request. And no one is allowed, by law, to tell her parents!

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Where did sesqui go?

I thought he believed he had something important to say.

Guess I misunderstood him…

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

How does that make sense?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

How does the Left justify the number of abortions? It would appear to me that Planned Parenthood is another failed government funded enterprise.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

If you define success as the number of babies aborted, I think it’s a rousing success. 56 million lives ain’t hay. Annual average seems to be equal to or better than Hitler, Stalin, or Mao at their peak.

It’s all about abortion on demand, at any stage of pregnancy. Nothing else matters. That these clinics are abattoirs is incidental, and that sometimes the mom dies along with the baby, that’s the price paid.

When we eliminated the teaching of Judeo-Christian moral principles in schools we also eliminated the teaching of the absolute value of human life. As a result, we can’t even get 12 adults to agree that Gosnell is a murder.

jclittlep on May 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

How does that make sense?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

You really need to stop being so bright all the time, and start thinking(?) like a liberal, Cindy.

Liberalism requires a pacifier. “Sense” is not required. As a matter of fact, ‘sense’ gets in the way of liberalism, so it cannot be tolerated if it’s troublesome to The Cause.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I am reasonably sure that this effort to defame abortion will never be scheduled for a vote. And anyway abortion should be a state issue. The federal government shouldn’t be involved.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Unknown senator

…obviously…not a Republican

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Virgina had a bill to make abortion clinics mills meet hospital standards. The baby killers opposed it tooth-and-nail.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Kansas too. We had passed regulatory laws every year when ol’ Kathleen Sebelius was gov, but she vetoed every one of them. Then, we finally got it passed and a judge put a stop to that right quick.
http://kcur.org/post/judge-blocks-new-abortion-licensing-regs-kansas

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

spermsequestrian on May 8, 2013

…dumbing down…. daily!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I am reasonably sure that this effort to defame abortion will never be scheduled for a vote. And anyway abortion should be a state issue. The federal government shouldn’t be involved.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Roe v Wade and other subsequent decisions weren’t state decisions. So it has to be a federal question.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Unknown senator

…obviously…not a Republican

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Actually, I think it is.

If a top Democrat said it, it would be all over the place. But if it’s a Republican like I hold, it is right now ‘protection’. Later, the fact will be told when he’s campaigning for re-election, to sabotage him.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I am reasonably sure that this effort to defame abortion will never be scheduled for a vote. And anyway abortion should be a state issue. The federal government shouldn’t be involved.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

“Defame”?

What are we talking about here — Marilyn Monroe or the murders of babies?

WHAT THE DEVIL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Roe v Wade and other subsequent decisions weren’t state decisions. So it has to be a federal question.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Exactly! Roe v. Wade took it out of the hands of the state to regulate it by making it a Constitutional right. The things that the states can regulate are being neglected criminally I would say. I think that officials should be charged in Pennsylvania as being complicit in the crimes of Gosnell. Unfortunately, most public official have immunity, but I would say that the state of Pennsylvania was criminally negligent. This man was not a board certified ob/gyn. He never finished his residency and yet they gave his clinic a license and let him perform abortions. He experimented on women in the 70′s and gave women STD’s off of his instruments in the 90′s. And he killed several women over and above the babies he killed. WTF did he have to do to get the state’s attention.. Oh yeah, apparently sell drugs..

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The fact is that abortion isn’t regulated. We don’t have a lot of laws on the books for it. It should be covered at least the same way any other out patient surgery center is covered, but anytime a state tries to do this-leftist bi+ch.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

If abortion isn’t regulated, then why haven’t the pro-lifers attempted to impose reasonable regulations when they have had the chance. Instead, they have wanted to do things like impose unnecessary ultrasounds. It would seem to me you would want to do the more medically relevant regulations first.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Roe v Wade and other subsequent decisions weren’t state decisions. So it has to be a federal question.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I wouldn’t mind if Roe v Wade were overturned. Most states would end up pro-choice.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM

If abortion isn’t regulated, then why haven’t the pro-lifers attempted to impose reasonable regulations when they have had the chance. Instead, they have wanted to do things like impose unnecessary ultrasounds. It would seem to me you would want to do the more medically relevant regulations first.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

DEMOCRATS fight everything and anything that risks regulating abortion, including ‘imposition’ of hospital standards on abortion mills.

You really need to get up to speed on current events here.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

If abortion isn’t regulated, then why haven’t the pro-lifers attempted to impose reasonable regulations when they have had the chance. Instead, they have wanted to do things like impose unnecessary ultrasounds. It would seem to me you would want to do the more medically relevant regulations first.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

You think we haven’t tried!?! There WERE regulations in Pennsylvania. Officials didn’t follow them. Also, see my post at 1:35 for what happens when we DO get them passed. Blocked again, this time by judges.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

If abortion isn’t regulated, then why haven’t the pro-lifers attempted to impose reasonable regulations when they have had the chance. Instead, they have wanted to do things like impose unnecessary ultrasounds. It would seem to me you would want to do the more medically relevant regulations first.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

They have see the flack that Cuccinelli took in Virginia because he wouldn’t “grandfather” older abortion clinics into the new regulations like making it stretcher and ambulance accessible. See the Mississippi regulation where they wanted abortion providers to have admitting privileges to the local hospitals.

Ultrasounds are not unneccessary. In fact to do an abortion safely, the pregnancy must be accurately dated. To do this you must perform an ABORTION. 22 states already have ultrasound laws on the books to make sure that the pregnancy is dated accurately. Prochoicers hated the Virginia law because it mandated that the mother be able to VIEW THE ULTRASOUND. That might actually give the mother an educated choice. Prochoicers want a choice but they know if it is educated- abortion would lose and then they would lose money which is their bottom line.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:49 PM

I wouldn’t mind if Roe v Wade were overturned. Most states would end up pro-choice.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM

That’s the way it should have been from the start. Abortion is a moral issue. as such, it should be left up to the people of the states to decide however it works out.

Then again, liberals thwart the will of the people, like how the homosexual marriage thing from California is now before the Supreme Court. All because some homosexual judge didn’t like the result of a legal and constitutional vote, as the CA state constitution provides.

Basically, YOU are full of sh*t.

What is this new pattern I see among you trolls — talking the Conservative line in hope to gain cred, to then next ambush us with your liberalism?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Notice how the Disciples of Moloch avoid the “crock pot” thread.

CurtZHP on May 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Ultrasounds are not unneccessary. In fact to do an abortion safely, the pregnancy must be accurately dated. To do this you must perform an ABORTIONULTRASOUND. 22 states already have ultrasound laws on the books to make sure that the pregnancy is dated accurately. Prochoicers hated the Virginia law because it mandated that the mother be able to VIEW THE ULTRASOUND. That might actually give the mother an educated choice. Prochoicers want a choice but they know if it is educated- abortion would lose and then they would lose money which is their bottom line.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 1:49 PM

To avoid any confusion.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Notice how the Disciples of Moloch avoid the “crock pot” thread.

CurtZHP on May 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Liberals and reality don’t mix.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

To avoid any confusion.

cptacek on May 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Thank you for knowing what I meant. :)

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM

DEMOCRATS fight everything and anything that risks regulating abortion, including ‘imposition’ of hospital standards on abortion mills.

You really need to get up to speed on current events here.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

“Hospital standards” sounds like crazy overkill and a deliberate effort by the pro-lifers to increase the cost of abortion with near zero benefit to women. Abortion centers should have the same standards as any other out-patient surgery center.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

What is this new pattern I see among you trolls — talking the Conservative line in hope to gain cred, to then next ambush us with your liberalism?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Obviously, there are only world views: conservative and liberal. Either you are one or the other. There is no room for independent thought. Such thinking is why wingnuts, both left and right, are so well loved by other people.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Hmmmm, let’s let you lay in filth and have unsterilized (and/or multi-used disposable instruments) shoved up your penis.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I’m going to have to try this comment another way to get around the filters. I am all for you having to lay in filth and other people’s blood and have unsterilized or multi-used disposable instruments shoved up your Johnson. Sorry to be crude but the proper word for the male appendage didn’t make it.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

“Hospital standards” sounds like crazy overkill and a deliberate effort by the pro-lifers to increase the cost of abortion with near zero benefit to women. Abortion centers should have the same standards as any other out-patient surgery center.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Which are also held to hospital standards.

Who do you think you’re kidding around here?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I’m going to have to try this comment another way to get around the filters. I am all for you having to lay in filth and other people’s blood and have unsterilized or multi-used disposable instruments shoved up your Johnson. Sorry to be crude but the proper word for the male appendage didn’t make it.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

How do you consider this a sane, let alone appropriate, response? I just advocated abortion be regulated like every other out-patient clinic. This is not excusing Gosnell’s heinous abuses.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Obviously, there are only world views: conservative and liberal. Either you are one or the other. There is no room for independent thought. Such thinking is why wingnuts, both left and right, are so well loved by other people.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

YOU are not, in any way, wise, shape, or form, an ‘independent thinker’.

No one is, really.

So get off your self-made pedestal and jump into reality. You might get hurt, but that’s this little matter real people call ‘life’.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM

And are they regulated like any outpatient clinic? I would guess that given the lack of staph infection outbreaks, outpatient facilities are probably more sterile than hospitals. Sorry to offend your sensibilities to make a point. How did it feel? Do you have a mirror?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Bull. All that some are doing is trying to put the government in charge of pregnancy. You’re just trying the gross-out route this time. Again.

Dems are more than happy to drag this out until next year.

Then they can run the same election year War On Women playbook on socons that they always run, and it will work. Again.

Socons will put up some more Todd Aikens to embarrass everyone, and a certain Republican takeover of the Senate will be torpedoed.

I wouldn’t mind if Roe v Wade were overturned. Most states would end up pro-choice.

The few that didn’t would get boycotted back to the stone age. Instant pariahs.

Moesart on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Which are also held to hospital standards.

Who do you think you’re kidding around here?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I’m sceptical, but I’ll have to wait until the evening to research this topic.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

You’re never going to see a 21-22 weeker survive a preterm birth that early.

Marcus on May 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Never? Your lack of faith is disturbing and you’re a “doctor”? Remind me not to consult with you for anything, even a cold.

Better yet, since you’re no healer, stick to killing.

AH_C on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

“Chicken s**t senator blocks Mike Lee’s resolution condemning “abusive, unsanitary, and illegal” abortion practices.”

Improved your headline there.

WannabeAnglican on May 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM

I’m sceptical, but I’ll have to wait until the evening to research this topic.

thuja on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Don’t hurt yourself in the process.

I’m not a lawyer, but I would anticipate — expect, even — that outpatient clinics are also held to hospital standards. If not, then I would have to hunt for one such clinic that IS, for my own good.

Your argument falls flat on its own face. There is no ‘undue burden’ for an abortion mill to meet hospital standards.

Seriously — you need to catch up on current events. But that’s not something baby-killers want to do.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Bull. All that some are doing is trying to put the government in charge of pregnancy. You’re just trying the gross-out route this time. Again.

Dems are more than happy to drag this out until next year.

Then they can run the same election year War On Women playbook on socons that they always run, and it will work. Again.

Socons will put up some more Todd Aikens to embarrass everyone, and a certain Republican takeover of the Senate will be torpedoed.

I wouldn’t mind if Roe v Wade were overturned. Most states would end up pro-choice.
The few that didn’t would get boycotted back to the stone age. Instant pariahs.

Moesart on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Actually the Dems are going to meet their match. They are going to get someone intelligent who will be able to articulate that YOU don’t care about women. That abortion regulations have NOTHING to do with regulating pregnancy and if it is in fact a medical procedure- why isn’t it held to the same standards as other facilities that perform medical procedures. Gosnell killed several women over the years. He experimented on many more. He gave women STD’s with his instruments. And “socons” are the anti-science” “war on womyn” faction.. Bwaahhhaaaa.

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

And I still think the one who blocked the resolution is a high-placed Republican.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Moesart on May 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

My crudeness was meant to match thuja’s own past comments on abortion. You are quite the profile in courage, so women should just expect to receive unsanitary and unsterilized clinics because of the so called “War on Women”? What a guy!!!!

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Hmmmm, I am not sure about this. While I am positive that there are Republicans who might agree, I am not sure that there are any people in the media that could keep that tidbit off the record.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Hmmmm, I am not sure about this. While I am positive that there are Republicans who might agree, I am not sure that there are any people in the media that could keep that tidbit off the record.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

It could go either way. But the way I see it, if it were a Dem, the headline would be, “X stops Republican attempt to curtail women’s rights and healthcare.”

If I’m right and it’s a Pub, we’ll find out later when he’s up for re-election. Then it’ll be, “X secretly stopped bid by pro-lifers against wishes of the Tea Party!”

Or maybe, Cindy, I’m just too cynical for my own good?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

You have good reason to be cynical. I know that the press wants to protect abortion but I don’t understand how blocking cleanliness and standard regulations (teenagers can’t do ultrasounds, right?)is a winning view with the public. Only an idiot would consider these things a nose under the tent by the crazy “SoCons”, I’m looking at you, Moesart. Qualified staff and cleanliness, the great SoCon plot, oh the humanity!!!!

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM

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