Police looking for more kidnap victims after rescue

posted at 10:41 am on May 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Almost as soon as word went out that three long-missing young women had been found alive as prisoners inside a Cleveland home, people began to wonder — could there have been more? According to Fox News, at least one of the women believes there were, and police have begun to search for signs of a 14-year-old girl who went missing six years ago:

Cleveland police are searching properties Wednesday morning near the home called a ‘house of horrors’ after they were reportedly alerted by one of the kidnap victims that there may be more women.

Details of a possible fourth victim came to light during police interviews with the oldest victim, Michelle Knight, who reportedly said there was another girl at the home about 10 years ago, but disappeared.

In 2007, Ashley Summers, a 14 year old, disappeared in the same neighborhood. Initially it was believed Summers was a runaway but a few years later, police saw a potential link with the other missing girls.

Knight reportedly told police she was unsure of how many other women may have been in the house because they were all kept in separate locked rooms.

So far, though, police haven’t found any bodies of adults or of babies that some sources were forcibly miscarried through beatings:

Human remains have not been found at the home on Seymour Avenue where three missing women were found alive, according to Cleveland’s safety director.

Marty Flask said Wednesday morning a thorough search took place at the Seymour Avenue home of Ariel Castro, who has been arrested in connection with the kidnapping case.

CNN reports that the police have found plenty of evidence in support of that statement:

Authorities scouring the Cleveland home where officials say three missing women were held for close to a decade have found ropes and chains apparently used to restrain them, the city’s police chief said Wednesday.

“We have confirmation that they were bound, and there (were) chains and ropes in the home,” Chief Michael McGrath told NBC’s “Today.”

The suspects’ interrogations started last night, but it’s not clear how cooperative they’ve been. A judge allowed for an extension of the time needed to book them, but they will have to be arraigned by tonight:

An administrative judge granted police an extension of the city’s usual 36-hour window to charge suspects, giving them until Wednesday evening to file charges against Ariel Castro, 52, who lived in the home where the women were found, and his brothers, Pedro Castro, 54, and Onil Castro, 50, police Detective Jennifer Ciaccia said Tuesday.

Investigators began questioning the brothers Tuesday night, FBI Special Agent Vicki Anderson said Wednesday.

 

Questions are now being asked about how police could have missed the clues, which seem significant — in hindsight, at least:

Two neighbors said they called police to the Castro house on separate occasions.

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter saw a naked woman crawling in the backyard several years ago and called police. “But they didn’t take it seriously,” she said.

Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of the house in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. “They walked to side of the house and then left,” he said.

“Everyone in the neighborhood did what they had to do,” said Lupe Collins, who is close to relatives of the women. “The police didn’t do their job.”

Police have to have a warrant or probable cause to enter someone’s house without permission, of course.  Without knowing more of the details in these earlier incidents, it’s difficult to blame the police — but those details will surely come out in the next few weeks.

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Another neighbor, Israel Lugo, said he heard pounding on some of the doors of the house in November 2011. Lugo said officers knocked on the front door, but no one answered. “They walked to side of the house and then left,” he said.

Still, we should deprive all Americans of guns as a means to defend themselves because the police will always be there to protect us.

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Time to reintroduce the death penalty for convicted kidnappers. Especially for these monsters. They deserve no less.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Still, we should deprive all Americans of guns as a means to defend themselves because the police will always be there to protect us.

A shame these victims weren’t trained to pee and vomit on their assailants.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM

…in hindsight, at least…

…Without knowing more of the details in these earlier incidents, it’s difficult to blame the police…

Yep, like it, or not, one side plays by the rules. Until we get rid of that pesky fourth amendment.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Nightmare over? Nah, they just face a different type of nightmare, i.e., coming to grips with all they have lost in 10 years.

Blake on May 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Depends on how they get treated in prison.

A shame these victims weren’t trained to pee and vomit on their assailants.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM

In which case they would likely be dead. And some other girl kidnapped to take their place.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Questions are now being asked about how police could have missed the clues, which seem significant — in hindsight, at least

Oh! There will be plenty of questions that need to be answered.

Apparently there are members of the Castro family (including Ariel Castro’s son and daughter) are “shocked” that this was going on. I call a big BS on that one. An Uncle has a store in the neighborhood and he’s never been in this house. Castro’s daughter was the last one to have seen one of the missing girls- just a coincidence? Castro’s son wrote an article on the missing for a local paper. I think that we will eventually find that far more people knew what was going on at that house.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

The neighbors should plant a few dozen “Human Sex Slave Free Zone!” around the neighborhood to keep this from happening again.

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM

You are not safe, even when the police are at the front door.

BobMbx on May 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

A shame these victims weren’t trained to pee and vomit on their assailants.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM

In which case they would likely be dead. And some other girl kidnapped to take their place.

Didn’t think I’d need the sarcasm tag for that remark. Evidently I ws proved wrong.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

ROFL

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

There are plenty of libs already saying that and wanting to be taken seriously.

They got you to say it for them.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

There are plenty of libs already saying that and wanting to be taken seriously.

They got you to say it for them.

I couldn’t help myself.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

A little harmless waterboarding might get these guys to talk or bring in some of the old NVA guys.They have plenty of expierence.

docflash on May 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

The other missing girls are likely dead. They probably vociferously resisted the brother’s sexual advances and were beaten or strangled to death.

Wigglesworth on May 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

A little harmless water-boarding might get these guys to talk or bring in some of the old NVA guys.They have plenty of experience.

docflash on May 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

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I second the motion.

No … REALLY …….

listens2glenn on May 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

An interesting interview, to say the least.

BobMbx on May 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

The other missing girls are likely dead. They probably vociferously resisted the brother’s sexual advances and were beaten or strangled to death.

Wigglesworth on May 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

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Or they were taken just up the road, to Toledo.

Watch ‘The Blaze’ tonight at 8:00 PM Eastern for that detail (shameless plug).

listens2glenn on May 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

BobMbx on May 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

The original interview was cool. Your link was fun.

I say, give this guy his 15 minutes.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

What’s ironic is that these women had a lot of babies and none are alive but one. They are digging up the backyard to look for bodies. How much you want to bet that press has a field day saying how awful it was that he killed “the babies” when they have completely ignored the Gosnell story..

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Is that neighborhood in Bangladesh?

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

There is something wrong in that city. If you look at a map of where the victims were kidnapped (all at different times) they are all within a block or so of each other. Come on! Cops look at maps like that all the time on dopey police shows — hey, we have a pattern here — and the cops couldn’t see a pattern??

PattyJ on May 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Well these babies were white, those in Philadelphia, not so much. The press don’t care about non-white babies.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I worked in a rough area. You could not get police to come there for anything. Period.

HellCat on May 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Americana, circa 2013

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Police looking for more kidnap victims after rescue

…seems…they could be sitting on the front porch…and they won’t find them!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Just ask Jaycee Duggard about the police walking past where she was imprisoned for years, totally uninterested. These guys sure aren’t like Colombo!

I smell a lawsuit.

vityas on May 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I heard about the Toledo thing too.

Amazing, given the anti-human trafficking laws Gov. Kaisich has signed.

The_Livewire on May 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

wonder if they are illegals????

txdoc on May 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

I can’t even wrap my head around this case.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Amazing, given the anti-human trafficking laws Gov. Kaisich has signed.

Works just about as well curbing the activities of those bent on crime as do quite a number of gun laws I suppose.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Time to reintroduce the death penalty for convicted kidnappers. Especially for these monsters. They deserve no less.

I think we could make a case that this goes beyond kidnapping to enslavement. These women were used as property, not bargaining chips.

We could certainly justify a death penalty for enslavement which would be defined as depriving an individual of their liberty for the purpose of providing labor or personal services. (H. Beam Piper had enslavement as a capital crime in his science fiction.)

No Truce With Kings on May 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Yeah, this is a crazy story. The more details that come out, the worse it seems to be getting. And, yeah, it’s increasingly sounding like the cops blew it. Did you guys hear the 911 call? The 911 operator sounded like she couldn’t give a crap.

WhatSlushfund on May 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM

All the more reason to be armed and trained to fight.

WhatSlushfund on May 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

We could certainly justify a death penalty for enslavement which would be defined as depriving an individual of their liberty for the purpose of providing labor or personal services. (H. Beam Piper had enslavement as a capital crime in his science fiction.)

Ah, H. Beam Piper. That brings back memories of my scifi reading. I enjoyed his works.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

All the more reason to be armed and trained to fight.

Very true. All our libs prefer us to be disarmed and trained to passively submit and rely on government for our personal protection.

All in accord for conditioning us to live harmoniously in their utopia to come.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 12:01 PM

What’s the thing about Toledo?

CookeyD on May 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Police have to have a warrant or probable cause to enter someone’s house without permission, of course. Without knowing more of the details in these earlier incidents, it’s difficult to blame the police — but those details will surely come out in the next few weeks.

I dunno, Ed. Knocking on a door seems a lame response to calls from neighbors re:naked girls in the backyard and someone pounding on doors from the inside.

This would seem the correct minimum response given such suspicious reports:
What Is a Police Welfare Check?

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

What’s wrong with these quotes?

at the home on Seymour Avenue where three missing women were found alive,

Authorities scouring the Cleveland home where officials say three missing women were held for close to a decade

The answer is that the number of people held captive was not three.

It was (at least) four.

The media seems to be ignoring the fourth captive… the six year old daughter of Amanda Berry.

Why is the media ignoring that she, too, was held captive?

No, we don’t need media interviews of the six year old girl, but the media should at least acknowledge that she, too, was held captive for many years (her entire life!)

Why is the media ignoring that she, too, was held captive?

Could it be that the media doesn’t want to acknowledge that a child conceived by rape could actually be wanted by their mother?

And that giving that child the death penaly for the father’s crime now would be absurd, yet would be no less absurd than giving that same child the death penaly for the father’s crime back when that child was still in its mother’s womb…

ITguy on May 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

the hero black guy was being interviewed by the dapper reporter, who asked, “So you’ve lived her 10 (?) years and never saw anything?”

And the guy drilled a hole with his eyes to the reporter and proclaimed, “I JESS TOLD YOU I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING” and then shook his head with a concurrent eye roll.

williampeck1958 on May 8, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Is that neighborhood in Bangladesh?

No. But many of our metropolitan neighborhoods are looking more and more like third world cesspools. So its an easy mistake to make.

hawkeye54 on May 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Considering the severity of the beatings and the lack of food and water they suffered, it wouldn’t be surprising to find out one or more other girls did not survive.

mbs on May 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

wonder if they are illegals????

txdoc on May 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

They are Puerto Ricans.

GWB on May 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

In which case they would likely be dead. And some other girl kidnapped to take their place.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Libs can’t wrap their heads around that reality – does not compute.

AH_C on May 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

And that giving that child the death penaly for the father’s crime now would be absurd, yet would be no less absurd than giving that same child the death penaly for the father’s crime back when that child was still in its mother’s womb…

ITguy on May 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

THIS!

AH_C on May 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Police have to have a warrant or probable cause to enter someone’s house without permission, of course. Without knowing more of the details in these earlier incidents, it’s difficult to blame the police — but those details will surely come out in the next few weeks.

I dunno, Ed. Knocking on a door seems a lame response to calls from neighbors re:naked girls in the backyard and someone pounding on doors from the inside.

This would seem the correct minimum response given such suspicious reports:
What Is a Police Welfare Check?

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I’m with you, Whatcat. If police received calls of naked young women in the backyard of a house where only three middle-aged men lived, that should have given the police enough suspicion or “probable cause” to seek a warrant on the suspicion that the men were either soliciting sexual favors or pimps running a prostitution ring. If any of the women were having consensual affairs with one of the men, they would come and go with their clothes on, and not be naked in the backyard.

After knocking on the door and getting no response, the police should have sought a warrant and returned to search the house.

Steve Z on May 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I dunno, Ed. Knocking on a door seems a lame response to calls from neighbors re:naked girls in the backyard and someone pounding on doors from the inside.

This would seem the correct minimum response given such suspicious reports:
What Is a Police Welfare Check?

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

OK, folks, I’m going to say this just once. Just. Once.

Cleveland is known to us Ohioans as “The Mistake on the Lake” for a lot of reasons. One big one is its police department.

No, not the rank and file. They’re as good as any cops anywhere. (I know a few.) The upper echelons are a different story. They set the tone, and it’s not a good one.

That is what’s euphemistically known as an “ethnic” neighborhood. For police, it’s basically a “no go” area. Not due to risk to life and limb, but due to what happens if you are seen as “not treading lightly enough”.

To put it bluntly, doing normal diligence on a welfare check or 10-48 report (suspicious activity) in a neighborhood that is predominantly lower middle class non-white is a good way to end up being chewed out by your Watch Commander. That’s considered “profiling”, and it’s Not Acceptable in this day and age. You do it, somebody complains about your “heavy-handedness” (i.e., you showed up), and the next thing you know, the Mayor is all over the Chief, he’s all over the WC- and you know what slides downhill.

The Mayor is worried about votes. The Chief is worried about not p***ing off the Mayor, as well as his shot at Safety Service Director in a couple of years. The Watch Commander worries about his promotion and/or pension. He wants to do the job right, generally, but the Powers That Be want peace and quiet.

Do it more than once, and you won’t have to worry about the WC. Your next exciting adventure in law enforcement will be a visit from PCR (Police-Community Relations, the LEO equivalent of the PIO office in the military), and IAD (Internal Affairs Division), generally in a tag-team match. Note that neither one will be playing the “good cop”.

PCR will want to know why you’re interfering with their “local outreach” by harassing people. IAD will be intimating that you have a “problem” with people of varying ethnicities.

By the time it gets to that point, you can pretty much kiss your badge and your pension goodbye. They will fire your a$$ to make things look good from a PR standpoint.

This is as true for minority officers as it is for non-minority ones. The former simply get smeared by “community activists” as “pawns of the power structure”. There is no way to win.

Most cops in such areas learn early on what they can and cannot do if they want to keep their jobs. Responding to a report of a naked woman on a leash crawling in a backyard might seem a no-brainer, but not in a neighborhood that regards police as interlopers. For all you know, it might be a BDSM party between “consenting adults”. (For the record, Jeffrey Dahmer got away with that exact excuse at least twice.)

Speaking of serial killers, and “profiles”, another reason this stayed “off the radar” is that the FBI profiles for serial killers, serial rapists, etc., that everybody is more or less required to take as Gospel invariably assume a white male perp in the 18 to 30 age range. To be brutally direct, these guys never registered because they didn’t fit the profile. Any more than Wayne Williams, Aileen Wuornos, Leonard Lake, John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo, or Cleveland’s own Anthony Sowell did.

So, if you want to blame anybody in blue for this cosmic-level f**kup, start at the top, not the bottom. The cops on the street can do the job, within the Constitution, and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to try. (No honest cop ever got rich. Well, except maybe Joe Wambaugh.)

But the politicians have a different take on things. And they’re the ones giving the orders.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 8, 2013 at 5:59 PM

So, if you want to blame anybody in blue for this cosmic-level f**kup, start at the top, not the bottom.
eon on May 8, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Meh, if I were up for laying blame at the door of the PD on this there would be plenty enough to go around – top, bottom, sides, whatever.

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM