Open thread: Benghazi hearing in House Oversight Committee

posted at 11:21 am on May 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Expect lots of whistles to be blowing, and lots of questions to be asked, at least by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee when the hearing on Benghazi starts at 11:30 ET.  The Democrats on the panel might be more inclined to offer speeches rather than questions to the three whistleblowers offering testimony today, and those speeches will probably focus on berating Republicans for turning this into some kind of partisan attack on Hillary Clinton, rather than a focus on how an American administration could have possibly missed the vulnerability of a lightly-protected consulate in what had become Terrorist Central in North Africa, thanks in no small part to earlier American intervention in Libya.

Greg Gutfeld warns that regardless of the answers, the questions will become irrelevant if the media decides to ignore it:

If the media decides it isn’t interested in the hearing, the Obama administration will not be held accountable for the Benghazi casualties, he said during his monologue on Tuesday’s episode of Fox News Channel’s “The Five.”

“As three key witnesses are about to testify regarding the attack on our consulate in Benghazi, one question remains — who the hell cares?” Gutfeld said. “I mean really, it happened such a long time ago and what difference does it make? Which leads me to another question, what kind of story merits examination?”

“The thing is Benghazi isn’t complex; it’s very simple,” he continued. “People needed help on 9/11. They were denied. Four people died. The government falsely blamed a video. You can’t get any easier than that. That’s Scandal 101. Even Howie Kurtz could follow it, and he is an idiot. Especially compared with other massive scandals — Watergate: people lied, no one died,. Benghazi: the president chilled after people were killed. Wouldn’t that merit hard hitting reporting on par with Watergate?”

But Gutfeld predicted that since Obama is not a Republican, the scandal could ring hollow since the media seem to be invested in the president’s performance.

CBS NewsSharyl Attkisson has been doggedly reporting on the story, and reported this morning that the witnesses will contradict the Obama administration’s narrative:

Will they give Attkisson more than 52 seconds to report on the findings? We’ll see.  Usually the rule is if it bleeds, it leads, but that certainly didn’t prove to be the case with the Kermit Gosnell trial.  I mentioned that to Terry Jeffrey of CNS News in this interview just before he took his seat this morning in the hearing room, and Jeffrey agrees that the media silence in this case has been a disgrace:

CNS News and Jeffrey have certainly been all over the story.  Here are just a few links that will help with preparation for today’s hearing:

I’ll keep my eyes open for embeddable live video of the hearing, but C-SPAN will be covering it live.

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Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:02 PM

There will always be some who will say so.

I guess my point is that for Obama, there is NO substance. If the image is cracked and broken, there isn’t anything left. He is utterly dependent on his followers suspending disbelief in the face of reality. If enough of them begin to face the realities of Benghazi, the whole facade may come tumbling down.

novaculus on May 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

verbaluce on May 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

NObody’s badgering Schad about his teory, but you.

What’s this “us” stuff? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Or, is your real name “Sybil”?

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 4:07 PM

How stupid they must think people are, to argue that help would not have arrived in time. Nobody could possibly have known that.

rightmind on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

That fat pig Crowley should bring her fat ass in the hearing and ask her what she knows and when did she know it, she is just as responsible as hitlery

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

novaculus on May 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I agree totally, I just don’t believe his followers can be swayed.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Tell us your theory (or if you prefer the ‘real reason’) Stevens was in Benghazi that day.

verbaluce on May 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Stevens was told to be there.

Who sent him?

portlandon on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Massive R-Ky … Knows there are others with stories to telL, encourages them to come forward.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Thompson was at his desk at State on the night of Benghazi

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I agree totally, I just don’t believe his followers can be swayed.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Emperor. Golden Clothes.

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

rightmind on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Exactly! Why is no one asking that? A most obvious question…
I am so sick of the left…

Pukes all of them…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

The Left not not real stickler’s for morality or loyalty. If Obama decides to throw Hillary under the bus for the sake of saving his administration then he will do so without remorse. If the blame shifts to Hillary then the Clinton Dems will turn on Obama just as quickly.

The Media now has a kidnapping horror story to ride for the next few weeks so, I doubt the Media will do anything as far as honest coverage unless the “bus” throwing starts to happen. The only way that will happen if Obama is implicated directly by the witnesses and Impeachment proceedings would start gaining momentum.

Egfrow on May 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

So Arias is not local but national.

Gosnell is local but not national.

Benghazi is not local but national and international but it clearly must be local and not national because they are not covering it, right?

They keep shifting the mask around like this pretty soon it’s gonna drop.

#MediaBlackout #Benghazi

UnderstandingisPower on May 8, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Hicks says there is no present reason to believe any help could be expected by any others in that situation.
Whoa.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I fear not one thing will happen from all of this. Not. One. Thing. And Hillary will defeat Christie in 2016.

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Wrong Hilliary decides not to run, and Ted Cruz wins

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

How stupid they must think people are, to argue that help would not have arrived in time. Nobody could possibly have known that.

rightmind on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

No one could have known that at the time. True. But the larger fact there is no one even TRIED.

Like the witness said, no one even INQUIRED as to the possibility of getting military flights into Libya. No one in this regime even tried to get them military support.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Clinton told Hicks that the Marines are on the way some time on the 12th…

d1carter on May 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Clinton personally wanted Stevens in Benghazi that’s why he went – Hick just stated.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Hah, Hicks was kept in the dark about why Stevens was in Benghazi. Hillary needs to be under oath and asked the question. She’ll lie her fat azz off.

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Stevens was there to establish the permanent post in Benghazi and so Clinton could announce to the Libyans the post when she visited – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Hicks

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Oh come now. I loved “W” as much as anyone (and a great deal more than most). I’m just pointing out that taking shots at pronunciation may backfire.

Longing4Lincoln on May 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM

All right. I am feeling pretty combative. Let me back off a little.

– But my sentiment is still the same. :) Bush mispronouncing nuclear shouldn’t stop anyone from pointing to the stupidity of thinking Guam is going to tip over, or these Keystone Kops playing “smart, respectable person.” They’re idiots. We should say so loudly.

/imo, etc.

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Collins, R-GA … Even if today brings forth no ‘smoking gun’, truth is getting out.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Clinton personally wanted Stevens in Benghazi that’s why he went – Hick just stated.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Hillary and Huma hate gay people?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Clinton wanted Benghazi to become a permanent constituent post…sooooo did she send Amb Stevens to Benghazi?

d1carter on May 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Clinton personally wanted Stevens in Benghazi that’s why he went – Hick just stated.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The implication was that she cut corners on security and hurried up the mission so she could make an epic announcement during a planned visit later that year?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Clinton personally wanted Stevens in Benghazi that’s why he went – Hick just stated.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Yes, she and Obama did, but not for what they told Hicks.

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I am hoping more eyewitness testimonies will finally be heard. Someone needs to compile a complete list/timeline of every incompetent act perpetrated by the White House, State Dept, Defense Dept and FBI before, during and after the Benghazi Terrorist attack. The complete list will be mindblowing.

dddave on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Sec. Clinton “We need to make Benghazi a permanent post”…Stevens “I’ll make that happen” – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The implication was that she cut corners on security and hurried up the mission so she could make an epic announcement during a planned visit later that year?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Something like that. Steven’s was eager to please Hillary.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The implication was that she cut corners on security and hurried up the mission so she could make an epic announcement during a planned visit later that year?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Another corkscrew landing under fire?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

verbaluce on May 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

NObody’s badgering Schad about his teory, but you.

What’s this “us” stuff? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Or, is your real name “Sybil”?

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Weirdest crush I’ve seen in a long time. And KJ — I know weird crushes. :)

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

All right. I am feeling pretty combative. Let me back off a little.

– But my sentiment is still the same. :) Bush mispronouncing nuclear shouldn’t stop anyone from pointing to the stupidity of thinking Guam is going to tip over, or these Keystone Kops playing “smart, respectable person.” They’re idiots. We should say so loudly.

/imo, etc.

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Indeed.

Dims love raise issues like water bottles, how someone said “nuclear” and what the definition of the word “is” is.

We should return the favor.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I would say that’s it…

Scoring brownie points and failing and now covering her azz…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Is there still a process of denial here?

I think there’s still more we need to do – Nordstrom

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Another corkscrew landing under fire?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Where Hillary fights off the terrorists Rambo style.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Agreed, they are idiots to the nth degree…

I am sitting here listening to them idiots, and they make me sick!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

So this is it? What about the other two witnesses?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I would say that’s it…

Scoring brownie points and failing and now covering her azz…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Maybe…2016 plans?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

As I’ve asked you to state clearly what you believe to be the reason for Stevens’ presence in Benghazi, I’ve been accused of ‘badgering’ you.
If you wish to not offer it, fine.
It’ll save you the possibility of being challenged..or ‘badgered’.

verbaluce on May 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I sure hope that after this her chances are shot all to hell and back!

But then again, all depends if the media will give this any time and space…

If not, the LIV’s won’t know a damn thing…

And she may just swing it with full support from the idiots.

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Meadows R-NC .. This is not about politics, it’s about people.

FBI and DOD both felt security should have been afforded, but we’re shocked that it wasn’t. (Thompson)

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM

All the pre-Benghazi problems seem to track to US of Management Pat Kennedy. He was the one that pushed back on the contractor security problems in Iraq. His position was, no need for oversight, we’re good at vetting these contractors, and we’ve got it handled. Move along.

It’s also the same guy that let the underwear bomber get a visa so he could then get on a plane and almost blow up a plane. He said that doing so would allow the feds to get at a network, “rather than simply knocking out one soldier in that effort.”

So he isn’t above the Machiavellian machinations needed to complete his checklist, and damn the collateral damage.

winoceros on May 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

DOD and FBI had a contradictory response to State Dept. plans to deploy?

State Dept. doesn’t make that decision – Thompson

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

oh WOW!!! Did you all hear that!?

Can’t get it all down… :-(

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM

So, did Hillary want a “Mission Accomplished” visit to Libya..?

d1carter on May 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Resources are determined by undersecretary of management – Nordstrom

Either he didn’t know or he didn’t care – Nordstrom

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM

So, did Hillary want a “Mission Accomplished” visit to Libya..?

d1carter on May 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM

BINGO.

Helps out Obama in 2012 and HRC later for 2016

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Gowdy’s back .. Tying attack to Islamic extremists !
Cool.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Bentivolio up maybe to ask about chain of command?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Apparently the gentleman from Michigan does not want to yield to the gentleman from South Carolina.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Man that stuff about ARB… eye opening in how they handled things…

Dang it I can’t remember it all so not going to half-azzed out somthing down…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Thompson explaining FEST…We are facilitators

Never leave anyone behind?

Yes…great summary of our FEST duties – Thompson

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

out = put…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

We did deploy people to Benghazi. – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Did the Drone flying over the embassy get brought up?

How about the Marine that was killed that was lasering targets to be bombed? Why would he be lasering targets if there was nobody there to send a missile?

portlandon on May 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Bentivolio.
Never leave a comrade behind.
Hicks says 7 troops were dispatched.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I am sitting here listening to them idiots, and they make me sick!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

:) Just keep reminding yourself that life is bigger than those jack wagons.

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Rice lied again!! FBI wasn’t there investigating on the 16th, they may have been in country, but didn’t get to site until the 18th!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Gowdy quotes Sept. 12 email

Had the FBI investigation begun in Benghazi at that time?

No – Hicks

So Amb. Rice is telling the media that the FBI has begun…is that true or untrue?

Untrue – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

FBI team delayed…mission accomplished!

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Axe on May 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM
It is, and thanks for the reminder :-)

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Love me some Gowdy….

hillsoftx on May 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Gowdy … Draws out from Hicks that FBI was delayed, scene was unsecured BECAUSE of Rice’s statements that it was merely a demonstration about the freaking video.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Rice basically sabotaged the FBI investigation.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

No request for air space other than auv correct?

Yes – Hicks

Who issued the stand down order?

I think that the right person to pose that question to is Lt. Col . Gibson – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

She was aware of the attacks…We were in phase 3 at that time. – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

novaculus on May 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I agree totally, I just don’t believe his followers can be swayed.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Then we treat them like pylons and speed bumps.

We have to keep going and keep trying and keep fighting to get to the truth, at least for the families of the dead.

kim roy on May 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Who issued the stand down order?

I think that the right person to pose that question to is Lt. Col . Gibson – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

So where is Gibson? Iraq?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

One of the democrats says no military could have gotten there by the time the second attack occurred. And that is why the military refused to gear up.

Maddening.

How did we know AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACKS the attacks were going to stop in seven hours. What if they were under attack for 10 or 18 or 20 hrs?

This is akin to being a police officer in a long fight and yelling for help which never comes, and finding out your backup didn’t respond because he figured the fight would be over before he got there, so why bother!

WTF??!!

This is where the Republicans should say something right then. “Hey, nimrod, did you get a schedule from the attackers outline their time frame? Because we didn’t.”

Jeezz

Again, this is coverup about bad policies and lethal political motives.

archer52 on May 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Did Obama say anything about pulling assets at that time?

No…We spoke on Sept. 17th and It was to praise the team. – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Some backdoor info on Twitter… Posts go to Top or to All. You must click on All to see everything being said. Right now, the Top page shows tweets updating about 1 per minute or 2. All page is updating about 60-120 tweets a minute. So it’s trending, but if you don’t know about ALL, you think no one’s saying anything.

#Benghazi #MediaBlackout

UnderstandingisPower on May 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I don’t recall Clinton asking about the cause of the attack during that call – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Sept 18 Hicks call with Zero did NOT discuss threats, security.

Issa .. 2 am call … Did hill discuss CAUSE of attack ? Not that he can recall.
Hicks points to tweets saying cause was from extremists.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Jordan zeroes in on Cheryl Mills.

Is the common perception that Mills speaks on behalf of Sec. Clinton?

Yes – Hicks

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Rice basically sabotaged the FBI investigation.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

One of the main benefits of initiating the entire “video” cover story. They knew it delay the investigation by at least days, and it turned out to be longer than that.

I remember saying to my wife at the time it happened, that Hillary and Obama will look to delay the FBI getting to that crime scene as long as they possibly can. I wish I was wrong about this bunch, just once.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Hicks confirms he was instructed by State not to talk to Congress without a lawyer from State being present.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Bachmann on Hannity says Dems are
l_i_v_i_d over hearings.

:) :) :)

petefrt on May 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Rice basically sabotaged the FBI investigation.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

One of the main benefits of initiating the entire “video” cover story. They knew it delay the investigation by at least days, and it turned out to be longer than that.

I remember saying to my wife at the time it happened, that Hillary and Obama will look to delay the FBI getting to that crime scene as long as they possibly can. I wish I was wrong about this bunch, just once.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Obstruction.

Issa and pals are laying a great potential impeachment case.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

So where is Gibson? Iraq?

oldroy on May 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Probably in one of Obama’s spider holes by now.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Did the Dems decide not to participate in this round?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Jordan is very good.

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

petefrt on May 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

YAY ! ;-)

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Did the Dems decide not to participate in this round?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I’d hate to be at the Clinton’s…Both of them are likely screaming at eachother…and her lawyers…

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Did the Dems decide not to participate in this round?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I thought they went to lunch… I now think they are on strike – or called in sick..

unaffiliated on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

FURTHER OBSTRUCTION on the record !

Me heart Issa.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Bryan is live-blogging. He just put this up:

Juxtaposition on my screens in my blogging lair: Streaming video from the Benghazi hearing, which is an investigation into what may be a massive government cover-up at the highest levels of our government, and the verdict from the Jodi Arias trial. Thousands are waiting outside the courtroom for the verdict to be read, just standing around, even though the verdict tells us nothing about the credibility of our government or its ability to defend US interests around the world. The networks aren’t even carrying the Benghazi hearing at this point, despite the fact that the allegations aired in it are so disturbing. This is the power of the media and what it chooses to emphasize and downplay, on full display.

I’m so tired of Arias. Every time I’ve looked for news over the last month it seems as if she’s on TV. Media looking for shiny.

INC on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Oh WOW! Bomb drop! State dept sent 2 lawyers to Hicks to break protocol and not speak to Chaffetz the RSO etc…

Oh wow!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Link to Bryan:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/08/benghazi-hearings-live-blog/

He blogs so that new stuff is at the bottom. I like that because if you are away you can read down.

INC on May 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Dirtbag Cummimgs on again…

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Cummings back with instructions…and he’s flubbing those

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I’m so tired of Arias.

INC on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Dittos. And that Cleveland tabloid story too.

petefrt on May 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Oh WOW! Bomb drop! State dept sent 2 lawyers to Hicks to break protocol and not speak to Chaffetz the RSO etc…

Oh wow!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Repeated from earlier…to make the afternoon/evening media

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Issa is xcellent!

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Who is that speaking to Issa?

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

I’m so tired of Arias. Every time I’ve looked for news over the last month it seems as if she’s on TV. Media looking for shiny.

INC on May 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

This nation is at the lowest, most depraved state its ever been.

And NONE of it would be possible if we still had a “press” in this country instead of the State-Run media.

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Hope it works :-)

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:47 PM

The Dems need a new point guard – Cummings keeps turning over the ball.

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

BoxHead1 on May 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Dunno what the heck he is playing at, except to try and confuse…

Not working for me!

Scrumpy on May 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Meople on May 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

It goes beyond mere bias to active collusion.

INC on May 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Issa once again expresses he’s willing to bring the entire ARB before this same panel.

Chaffetz back .. Stressing need for ALL docs involved .. Asking Nordstrom if he ever got permission for security requests “very few” was his answer. Nordstrom was told his requests ‘were not helpful’, he was frustrated and frightened by situation on the ground.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

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