New White House amnesty campaign: “Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

posted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

I thought I came from America, but now I know better.

That’s their new grassroots-mobilizing gimmick in support of the Gang of Eight’s amnesty bill. Rewarding illegals with citizenship flows as naturally and logically from having legal immigrants as ancestors as expanding background checks does from a school shooting committed by a lunatic who stole guns purchased legally by his mother. Follow the link in the tweet and share your “story” to remind Congress that basic border enforcement is for nativist trolls.

Here’s a story. Once upon a time, millions upon millions of immigrants came to America and paid their own way because there was no welfare state. Dan Foster:

[P]ro-amnesty Republicans should admit that their anti-amnesty colleagues raise a legitimate concern, and they should use the debate as an opportunity to strike a compromise: Amend the Gang of Eight bill to include means-testing, market-like competition, and block grants for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, respectively, along with a gradual scaling-back to pre-recession levels for food stamps, unemployment benefits, and the like. Allay the Heritage crowd’s concerns by trading amnesty for significant entitlement reform.

Such a move would for sure bring more Republicans on board, while helping relieve Marco Rubio from the Chuck Schumer–shaped albatross around his neck. It might, it just might, stop the melee on the right long enough to shift the pressure to the Senate Democrats by forcing them to assess their own priorities. And it would revive “grand bargain” talks in a creative and unexpected way, a way that precludes talk of tax increases altogether.

Of course, there is probably one chance in 10,000 that such a “grand bargain” could become law. Likelier, stapling amnesty to entitlement reform would doom “comprehensive immigration reform” entirely. But for those of us who think there is currently more bad than good in the bill, and who prefer a piecemeal approach, that’s quite an acceptable loss.

Right. Ted Cruz is sponsoring an amendment that would permanently bar legalized illegals from receiving welfare, but there’s not a prayer that Mediscare-fearing Republicans would push hard for broader entitlement reform as a condition of amnesty. Remember, the whole point of this grand immigration pander from the GOP’s perspective is to ingratiate itself with Latino voters, and Latino voters tend to support entitlements even more than much of the rest of the entitlement-loving American public does. We’re stuck with the welfare state in its current form (at least until people stop loaning us money), which is one big reason to oppose amnestizing lots of illegals. Justin Green:

[R]ecent arrivals are considerably less educated than they need to be to achieve the American dream. They, their children, and likely their grandchildren will disproportionately rely on the benefits a strong welfare state can provide. In addition, by bringing in these workers, the wage floor for low-skilled labor will remain low, meaning more native born Americans will also need to rely on the welfare state.

Unlike the 20th century, today’s workers will need a college degree — or some other form of advanced training — to attract the lifetime earnings required to raise a family without strong state assistance. That’s not because they’re lazy or indolent. It’s what the market increasingly deems worthy for someone without advanced skills. By bringing in further low skilled immigrants, we’ll only exacerbate an existing problem.

And shockingly, those newly legalized immigrants and their native born low-skilled counterparts are not going to be with you on the crusade to slash the welfare state.

One possible solution is to demystify college degrees as a de facto prerequisite for decent-paying jobs, but The One himself has talked up education beyond high school for all Americans. DrewM asks a good question too: “If low skill workers are the key to prosperity, why do we spend hundreds of billions dollars a year on educations and training programs?” Middle-class American parents spend 18-21 years terrorized by the thought that their children might not finish school and end up with thankless, low-paying jobs — and now they’re being told that bringing in millions of people in that exact situation is nothing but upside for America. You won’t see that story on the White House website.

Here’s the poor sap who got stuck being Team O’s new messaging prop. Better him than five-year-olds, right?


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I was conceived in New Mexico and born in Kansas. That makes me a native American.

sadatoni on May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I have it on good authority that I am descended from the crew of Battlestar Galactica who landed and settled here many tens of thousands of years ago.

Bishop on May 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Bishop:

*Speaking in German*:

Herr Documentationenzee:

Vell,vine,I hopenzee that you herr havenzee your paperenzee’s
in herr properenzee ordersenzee,

(snark)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

“Native Americans” came from somewhere else as well; they should be referred to as the “First Americans”.

mad scientist on May 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Actually they should be referred to as “First” as the name “America”
Was given by foreigners..

The winged ones approve.

Electrongod on May 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Even with the WH line of thinking…even the American Indian isn’t from here. Try again.

CW on May 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

101

CW on May 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Obama left Americans to die in Benghazi and then lied about it…So he has that family heritage to pass down…

My Father’s family were Ulster-Scots who immigrated to the Virginia Frontier in 1739 and fought in the French Indian War (Frontier Militia) and the American Revolution. Our ancestors are listed on the Tinkling Springs Marker. Migrated to the Tennessee frontier, then Arkansas and Texas in 1840.

Dad’s family fought in the French-Indian War, The Revolution,The War of 1812,The Civil War, WWI.

The descendants (of the 4 brothers,1 nephew Ulster-Scot Immigrants) are spread across the US…founding towns and building churches as they went to successive frontiers. Some of them wound up Mormons in Utah, Baptists in Arkansas & Texas, and some stayed the original Presbyterian in Virgina and Tennessee…Some became Catholic in California.

(Still checking to see if they fought in the Texas War for Independence and the Mexican-American War)

My mother’s family were Hatfields based in Illinois by the time my great grandfather was born.

My sister is doing the family history in the states and I’m researching the family relationship to the highland clans dating so far to 1640.

Dad will probably do the DNA test for one of the Highland Clan registries this summer…He’s 80 this year and is writing a book about the frontiersmen.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Um, racists, or something!
They don’t teach that in school anymore.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM

HornetSting:Lol:)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Um, racists, or something!
They don’t teach that in school anymore.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM

HornetSting:Lol:)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Hey there, Canada. Great to see you! :)

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Peace&JusticeLady ‏@PeaceLibLady 49m

Born in East Los Angeles, I’m a freckle faced apple pie American girl from the Wild Wild West. My peeps did it legal. #ImmigrationNation
===================

Olliander ‏@ollieblog 53m

My parents came here legally, wanted to learn English and embraced, didn’t shun, American culture. They vote Republican. #ImmigrationNation

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ImmigrationNation&src=hash

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Hey there, Canada. Great to see you! :)

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

HornetSting:And to you,miss your Sting,hehe:)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

So what’s next Hussein?
You wanna strip all US born Americans citizens of their US citizenship and
declare all illegals to be US citizens ?

burrata on May 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I happen to know for a fact that ALL native earth humans died out long ago.
The humanoids currently infesting this planet are actually Golgafrinchans – and not the best of that particular race either.

dentarthurdent on May 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Actually, I think telephone sanitizers, second class, would do a better job than the current bunch of Volgons in office now.

Lily on May 8, 2013 at 9:02 PM

To Obama Ben Franklin wasn’t American.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

For instance, the in preznint, bat face, was cooked up in the depths of sheol

tom daschle concerned on May 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM

graffiti on an underpass where I walk the dogbeast: “WHITE PEOPLE GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY” [~author unknown]

Try to evict me, Bro’Bama.

Jeddite on May 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

New White House amnesty campaign: “Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

This bit of stupidity is desperation, things must not be going as planned with the Obama – Schumer – Rubio amnesty.

RJL on May 8, 2013 at 9:13 PM

So because we Eurotrash were winners in a land war with “native” Americans; we should cede our national sovereignty and our borders to Mexico and other assorted illegal foreigners.

How can any self-respecting journalist think this man is brilliant?

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

See that. You let Kenyans in and they think they run the place.

Cleombrotus on May 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

How can any self-respecting journalist think this man is brilliant?

melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Have you seen the crease of his pants ?

burrata on May 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Most Americans are native Americans.
Only a minority of us are from someplace else.

The Administration should say aboriginal Americans.
Native Americans is as bad a misnomer for them as Indians.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Actually, even native Indians came from some where else. No one came from the crack of earth, the only foolproof of someone coming from the land they live on.

Another argument would be: the native Indians occupied some areas of land in this country way back in 1600s but they did not build the US of today. And no, the slaves did not build US either. Without white European brain, the black, brown, red would be living in tent / hutches today.

vnohara on May 8, 2013 at 9:21 PM

“Native Americans” came from somewhere else as well; they should be referred to as the “First Americans”.

mad scientist on May 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I prefer ‘Siberian Americans’.

slickwillie2001 on May 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Don’t know if this has been said, but I had to anyway:

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

Yes, but my ancestors all came legally from the beginning, not granted legal status after having broken the law first.

Kevin K. on May 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

So what’s next Hussein?
You wanna strip all US born Americans citizens of their US citizenship and
declare all illegals to be US citizens ?

burrata on May 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

They would fit better with his agenda. If you don’t speak the language, they can say anything and they will believe, especially if you’re popping out babies every year.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

Legally, of course. But why make that distinction ?!

deadrody on May 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Isn’t Obama supposed to be the smartest guy in the room or something?

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM

The only time he’s the smartest guy in the room is when he takes his morning dump in the White House.

slickwillie2001 on May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Obama’s a birther!

RedRedRice on May 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Isn’t Obama supposed to be the smartest guy in the room or something?

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM

The only time he’s the smartest guy in the room is when he takes his morning dump in the White House.

slickwillie2001 on May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Still no. The dump will beg to differ.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

So because we Eurotrash were winners in a land war with “native” Americans; we should cede our national sovereignty and our borders to Mexico and other assorted illegal foreigners.
How can any self-respecting journalist think this man is brilliant?
melle1228 on May 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Really? You really want to boil all that history down to a simple, straightforward, and clean sounding “land war”? That’s it?

The objective truth is, he’s right. But of course we can’t hear that here! Sorry! *ducks* BUT, unless you ARE a native American who had their culture assimilated out of them in order to become “Americans”, then you DID immigrate here to take part in it.

Many will say, oh but MY ancestors came LEGALLY! Right! I’m sorry! Wasn’t that when all you had to do was show up on a boat and shuffle through a long as process from one end of a building to the exit at the other? Oh… No? Oh ok, I got it, your ancestors paid their own way! But wait, don’t Hispanics pay a lot of money to coyote’s and travel to get themselves here? Think they could scrounge together a boat ticket if all they had to do was sail on up to Ellis Island these days? No? Oh, ok, you’re family came here and tried to become American and learn the language and be a part of the big apple pie. I got it. We’re they Irish? Asian? Gasp, African?! You know?! All those people that the nationalists called all the same things that you guys do Hispanics, accused them of all the same things adjusted for their time, and were portrayed exactly the same way??

Ugh… Oh fine, you’re right. I give up…. Sigh…. These NEW immigrants… Illegals… *shudders* *heebie jeebie’s*. It’s real this time. They’re entirely unique and are gonna steal our jobs, and culture, and our political power!! They said the Irish would, but, pssht, those hundreds of thousands who showed up daily with one way tickets and no advance notice, they did it right and learned English! Wait…

Oh I give up.

“With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”. [*]

[*] – Statement amended May 8th, 2012. Last line added to so as to finish:

“Unless you’re Mexican, or “Hispanic”, or Latino, or whatever you compañeros call each other these days!”

There! Fixed… No more problems. :)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Note on ammendment to statement, also subject to revision to read 2013.

Thanks you sticking with us folks, it gets a little choppy up here.

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 9:42 PM

The only time he’s the smartest guy in the room is when he takes his morning dump in the White House.

slickwillie2001 on May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

But there is that short interval when it’s a tie.

Barnestormer on May 8, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else. Share your family’s story: at.wh.gov/kQgOt #ImmigrationNation

— The White House (@whitehouse) May 8, 2013

Indians are native Siberians and everyone came from apes, anyway … so the only real Americans are apes. I guess America has finally straightened things out with our executive branch being controlled by the “real Americans” – even the ones that were raised in Indonesia and were citizens of multiple other countries (rendering them non-natural born and ineligible for the Presidency – even if they are closer to the “real Americans” of the backward evolutionary ladder).

That this nation voted this 84 IQ evolutionary throwback retard into office TWICE just speaks for what a pathetic, sick society the current population of this nation is. We shall live in future history books as the most twisted, stupid, self-destructive society ever – and we voted to have the instrument of our downfall be a moron who isn’t qualified to wash toilets, let alone head the government. This American population will be laughed about for millenia and shall serve as a cautionary tale to any sane people for even longer. Unreal.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Ahem. If I may?
You’re post, somewhat long winded and condescending, is completely wrong.
You didn’t go back far enough and you allowed obama’s libtard logic get in the way, because, see, Native Americans came from somewhere else as well, and there is DNA to prove it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2092258/Native-Americans-actually-came-tiny-mountain-region-Russia-DNA-research-reveals.html

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

There=their. It’s been a long day.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM

You are a blithering idiot. Frankly, I’m surprised you can breathe without the aid of machines.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 9:47 PM

My Father’s family were Ulster-Scots who immigrated to the Virginia Frontier in 1739 and fought in the French Indian War (Frontier Militia) and the American Revolution.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

My brother, wassup? Our side went west after VA—IN,KS and then CA. Should have went the TX route. I would be much happier.

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2013 at 9:53 PM

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else.”

If I didn’t come from here, then I have absolutely no idea where I came from. Now, throughout the last three centuries or so, the many different people who make up my family tree came here from a variety of different countries (none of which would regard me as a citizen and all of which would deport me for trying to move “home” without going through some sort of immigration process). But if I can’t say I “came from” America, then I have absolutely no other nation on earth I can claim.

It’s beyond disgusting that an American president is discouraging American citizens from considering themselves solely American.

I regard this as a nonsense tweet. Also as a logical fallacy. And an insult.

butterflies and puppies on May 8, 2013 at 9:54 PM

There=their. It’s been a long day.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:47 PM

HornetSting: Close E-Nough:)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 9:54 PM

That this nation voted this 84 IQ evolutionary throwback retard into office TWICE just speaks for what a pathetic, sick society the current population of this nation is. We shall live in future history books as the most twisted, stupid, self-destructive society ever – and we voted to have the instrument of our downfall be a moron who isn’t qualified to wash toilets, let alone head the government. This American population will be laughed about for millenia and shall serve as a cautionary tale to any sane people for even longer. Unreal.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

-Signed, severe BDS sufferer, circa 2006.

I mean really. It’s effing’ IMMACULATE. Soooo many times I heard the exact same words. Just google a liberal blog of the era. It sounds just as stupid, reactionary, and 8th grade just-read-1984-for-the-first-time level as it did then.

Also.

Indians are native Siberians and everyone came from apes, anyway … so the only real Americans are apes. I guess America has finally straightened things out with our executive branch being controlled by the “real Americans” – even the ones that were raised in Indonesia and were citizens of multiple other countries (rendering them non-natural born and ineligible for the Presidency – even if they are closer to the “real Americans” of the backward evolutionary ladder).

Yes indeed, Native American’s DID migrate her and end up taking up lives here. Any record of them passing out smallpox blankets to do it? Any evidence of habitation by “humans” at all when they “moved in”? Also, while they did match their way on over and down here to spread out, AMERICA came here from somewhere else and took the land piece by piece backed by “manifest destiny”, and… Well… Smallpox blankets, reneged treaties and promises, and “the cunning use of flags”.

Point is, YOUR points fall flat when examined by anyone objective and who has had a few years between the first time they discovered George Orwell, Pops, as per usual. Hope you’re having a good evening though, sweetheart! Don’t let those blasted pinko commie fascists keep you down! Just keeping being angry, feeling victimized, and being an ad audience for the “good guys” and it’ll all work out!

If only you ran everything we’d be in a booming economy-neighborhood watch militia-utopia of glorious “freedom”. I mean, mostly freedom at least, as long as your a white protestant ‘Murican and live a life proper to the designated “proper beliefs” system.

;)

;)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Never have so few given so many sophistical arguments in such a brief time.

It amazes me that someone so obviously unable to think coherently for even a few moments ever got through law school…and I have a low opinion of law schools and the law students I’ve known. But this one seems capable of only bad arguments….

EastofEden on May 8, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Obama, you ignorant slut, I am a native American as I, unlike probably you, was born in America.

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM

You love showing off how stupid you are.

Any evidence of habitation by “humans” at all when they “moved in”?

Which wave from Siberia? There was more than one, retard. And then all the fighting among themselves … no big deal. They were just being “natural”. Of course, the Eskimos and Aleuts and Indians never did any fighting .. they all loved each other … LOL.

As I said, you are a blithering idiot. You deserve to have been the object of an Aztec’s ritual obsession.

And stop with your BS about smallpox blankets. I know that you don’t know any better but you’re annoying enough with just your usual stupidities. No need to pile on your ignorance and lies. You don’t cry much for the Indians sending syphilis back to Europe, do you? You don’t blame your native, natural American (before any America could ever even exist) for the tobacco they introduced to the world, do you? Of course not. I haven’t even heard you complain about the Mongols catapulting plague ridden bodies over the walls of Kaffa to eventually bring a worse disaster to Europeans with the Black Death than the Indians had to suffer not a couple of hundred years after.

I think you might be in the later stages of syphilis, yourself. You certainly sound like it. Thank the “real Americans” for that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

There=their. It’s been a long day.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:47 PM

HornetSting: Close E-Nough:)

canopfor on May 8, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Thanks friend.
Lots of new faces around here.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Ahem. If I may?
You’re post, somewhat long winded and condescending, is completely wrong.
You didn’t go back far enough and you allowed obama’s libtard logic get in the way, because, see, Native Americans came from somewhere else as well, and there is DNA to prove it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2092258/Native-Americans-actually-came-tiny-mountain-region-Russia-DNA-research-reveals.html

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

See my last post addressing pops making pretty much the exact same statement.

I won’t be doing it again as you have to be willfully ignore what was ACTUALLY being said in favor of something you can feel pissed off, victimized, and wronged by.

Yes, “Native American’s” migrated here too. It’s a pretty clear, proven, and solid fact. So no sh*t there, winner. But not being able to see the difference between moved into unpopulated land as the first humans there, and showing up later to an established world of inhabitants and just brushing them aside for your own “manifest destiny”? THAT’s just being plain disingenous.

So is complaining about how you were born here and never came from anywhere else so the president is CLEARLY victimizing you and revoking your “Americanness” even if only symbolically.

Because in both arguments, “Indians migrated here too!” and “but I WAS born here, so where else could I(ME) have come from?!”, it requires that you willfully avoid the very clear point that was intended with the statement, just because you don’t like where it logically leads.

But have at it as always! I’ll put the popcorn in and get ready to watch the thrashing of your giant dying tail.

Either way, you still lose, cause not even YOUR representatives will put the seat on the line by actually proposing the vast majority of “solutions” you guys would approve of, so… Only a matter of time.

Tick-tock folks… To a page with an average readership age above 50.

:)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM

I got a question. Yes arnold. Why does the HA sign in cut off the second part of your handle—-”Shithead”?

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM

My Father’s family were Ulster-Scots who immigrated to the Virginia Frontier in 1739 and fought in the French Indian War (Frontier Militia) and the American Revolution.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Your people were a large percentage of the rebels. We are fortunate for that migration.

The United States Declaration of Independence contained fifty-six delegate signatures. Of the signers, eight were of Irish descent.[citation needed] Three signers, Matthew Thornton, George Taylor and James Smith were born in Ulster, the remaining five Irish Americans were the sons or grandsons of Irish immigrants: George Read, Thomas McKean, Thomas Lynch, Jr., Edward Rutledge and Charles Carroll, and at least McKean had Ulster heritage.[c

And we can thank the British for the Scotch Irish

entagor on May 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM

What a self rightous putz this pseudo president is. My wife’s family came here on the Mayflower. She has done extensive research on her family from an historical perspective. I assure you president f $#k face these immigrants didn’t suck off of the Native American’ s teat like you have immigrants doing now. Her immigrant family came here for freedom from an oppresive government. Your immigrants come here to embrace your oppresive government. To imply they are the same immigrants can only be interpreted as your imbicility. A g-d damn first grader is far more intelligent than you are.

NOMOBO on May 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Obama, the first ignorant slut president.

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Obama = Big Slut

Rubio = Little Slut

McCain = Senile Slut

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Hit with common sense and facts, he pivots and moves the goalposts.
Where do you draw the line? Just don’t make it red or you will show your slip.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Where do you draw the line? Just don’t make it red or you will show your slip Depends.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Graham = Transgender Slut

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Where do you draw the line? Just don’t make it red or you will show your slip Depends.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

HA!

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Haha!! God!! I LOVE your posts!!

Classic.

But fine. Ok, so we go with your interpretation. So EVEN the indians came here and had to fight it out amongst themselves for the land, JUST like the new “American’s” did! I mean, it’s the way life goes! It natural, completely natural, just like you said! God! Why didn’t I see it before?!

What the Hispanics are doing now really is EXACTLY like what everyone who is here now had ancestors do sometime in the past!! So of course! YOU understand that that’s just the way life goes, no?

Some people move in, they vie for position, work out their own little slivers, and the world progresses! It’s ALL natural!

Or did all that stop with the establishment of borders and nation-states? Did we meet the statute of limitations? What? Is there a clause that says “After America has established itself and reached the proper political balance of people that 21st century conservatives find agreeable, the doors can close at will”?

I assure you, of there were such a clause, there’s an incredible probablility it would have been invoked against your 80% chance to be arriving poor, unannounced, and with a one way ticket ancestors. Good thing it wasn’t though, huh?! Whew! You’re American, you made it before close, pops, congratulations! Here’s your complimentary milk and honey, and we hope your travel aboard the Lusitania was agreeable, welcome to freedom fellow “American”! Open arms!

;)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Obama = Big Slut

Rubio = Little Slut

McCain = Senile Slut

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Flake=Breck Slut

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

What are you even trying to get across?

Never mind, whatever it is, its gotta’ be goofy.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

This whole f#@*ing argument is so bone-headed stupid it’s hard to believe anybody with an IQ higher than a grape would get sucked into it.
I was born here. That means I am a native born American…Period! End of sentence! Full Stop! Where my ancestors were born is not even remotely relevant in any sense whatsoever. Get over it!

Lew on May 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

What are you even trying to get across?

Never mind, whatever it is, its gotta’ be goofy.

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Juan William’s logic.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Hit with common sense and facts, he pivots and moves the goalposts.
Where do you draw the line? Just don’t make it red or you will show your slip.
HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Haha, really?? “Pivots and moves the goalposts” by highlighting the fact that YOUR purposefully moving the goalposts to begin with by holding the statement to a standard of interpretation that you KNOW was not what was intended, because you also KNOW that ceding to the argument that he’s making doesn’t help the political outcome YOU want?

I believe THAT’s moving the goal posts. You’re trying to hold the statement to a standard that you know perfectly d*mn well wasn’t what was intended, and then arguing from that vantage point, so you don’t have to start from the already weakened philosophical ground you stand one when addressing the quote genuinely rather than disingenously.

Don’t fault me for having to point out the obvious to you because your doing your best to look the other way from it and ignore it. I am merely here.

:)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

The “Native Americans” came across the land bridge over the Bering Strait, and are racially Asian.

FAIL.

Hayabusa on May 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Obama is a birther. Who knew?

Ronnie on May 8, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM

So, is it only Americans who need to move or are you going to move everyone back to Africa where it all began?
I have a phrase for you: conquered people.
Some of us learn from history and want to make sure to keep what we fought so hard for, but feel free to bend over, champ.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Three thoughts:

1. The WH person who sent the Twitter message is an idiot.

2. Actually, I was born in a hospital in Ohio while my mother was in the delivery room.

3. As I recall, the scientific consensus is that there were no humans in the Americans until the ancestors of all Native Americans came from Asia.

slp on May 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Yes, but my ancestors all came legally from the beginning, not granted legal status after having broken the law first.

Kevin K. on May 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Exactly. So if everyone whose ancestors came here legally floods Obama’s stupid site or whatever with posts emphasizing that point maybe something will penetrate their collective reptillian consciousness and they will understand there is a significnat difference between legal and illegal immigration.

But probably not.

talkingpoints on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

What are you even trying to get across?
Never mind, whatever it is, its gotta’ be goofy.
cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Pretty simple really. It’s only arguing against disingenousness that makes a meandering path.

That the point being made in the quote this thread is about is actually pretty valid, or at the very least not as cartoonishly outragish as some here portray it to be.

But that’s my point in most posts. That if you’re genuine and objective, 90% of the HotRage is not as comedically maniacal and malicious as some here want it to be, but alas, anger, fear, and victimization is the easiest psychological subsistence to get folks addicted to.

It’s a crazy world. :)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

“I regard you as a nonsense person”

cozmo on May 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else,” LEGALLY

Well thank goodness my Mom wasn’t a murderer because I was born here. As to the headline, they forgot the word legally.

Vince on May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

So, is it only Americans who need to move or are you going to move everyone back to Africa where it all began?
I have a phrase for you: conquered people.
Some of us learn from history and want to make sure to keep what we fought so hard for, but feel free to bend over, champ.
HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Oh that’s alright, I don’t subscribe to the idea that somehow Hispanics are unique from those who immigrated before, and who nationalists and nativists said the same thing about as they arrived.

They said the same thing about the Irish. We’ve got to protect what we fought so hard for and they’re gonna steal it all! Change it all! And bastardize it all! We must stop the Irish, but feel free to bend over if that’s what YOU want, champ! But mark my words! As the Irish come, so does the America you and I know and love goes away.

-Signed, a REAL American, 1840. Straight up original gangster. All y’all coming from someplace else? This is MY country!

;)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Well, the “thoughts” of “Genuine” aside, the fact of the matter is, I did come from here. My great-grandparents on one side, and farther back than that on the other, came from other countries. Legally.

But I came from here, and that’s just a fact, Jack, no matter how much Obama (and “Genuine”) want to pretend otherwise.

Alana on May 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM

What the Hispanics are doing now really is EXACTLY like what everyone who is here now had ancestors do sometime in the past!! So of course! YOU understand that that’s just the way life goes, no?
Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

EXACTLY? Nope! You obey the laws that are in existence at the time. We will end up like Europe because a small sliver of people want political power. They don’t care what they leave behind because they’ll be dead.

To be anti-illegal immigration is honorable. To be otherwise is despicable.

Vince on May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

I’m too kind. “Genuine” is simply an idiot.

Alana on May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

So, is it only Americans who need to move or are you going to move everyone back to Africa where it all began?
I have a phrase for you: conquered people.
Some of us learn from history and want to make sure to keep what we fought so hard for, but feel free to bend over, champ.
HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Furthermore, at no point in time did I EVER say ANYONE had to head back to where they came. Not once. I don’t think anyone has any compelling reason why anyone should have to “go back”, we’re American’s, e pluribus unum! Hello? Talk about pivoting and moving the goalposts! Haha. You’re now holding arguments against me I didn’t even, and wouldn’t ever, make!

That takes talent! A move with a high degree of difficulty and should score well with the judges, Tom.

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

That the point being made in the quote this thread is about is actually pretty valid, or at the very least not as cartoonishly outragish as some here portray it to be.

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Yes, it most certainly is cartoonish and outrageous! It postulates the blatant silliness that I as an individual am defined by my ancestry. A patent falsehood and proto-racist slander.
I am defined by MY acts and words, MY successes and failures, MY decisions and indecisions. I am not, nor will I ever be limited by who my father was or was not.
As I posted above, I was born in America and that makes me a native American. Where my ancestors were born, or who they were or what they did, is on their scorecard…not mine.
The notion that “I came from somewhere else” because some ancestor of mine may have been born in some other territory is utterly STUPID!!!

Lew on May 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Doesn’t your idiocy ever take a rest? To be an AMERICAN requires the existence of a nation called America. This is a little thing about nation-states that you so blithely dismissed in one of your earlier illiterate rants. There were no Americans before America. Not even the Siberians who came across the Bering in various waves and then fought with each other for control of land and people were “Americans” in any sense of the word until there came to be an America that they could possibly be part of – though the Indians were generally not part of it as they were considered sovereign nations.

You don’t like the notion of the nation-state or the idea of citizenship or the notion of the mother tongue and how it actually serves to help define a people. No surprise. I would not expect anything less silly from you.

You know nothing of the history of the New World, evidently, as you think that Indians just appeared here and took claims on land that was empty and that was it. LOL. A leftist’s view of the world, totally divorced from reality.

Indians are not “native Americans” even if you idiot leftists decided to call them that to try and give them some title to the nation. They fought various wars against us (while under British rule and later) and they lost. Period. In losing, they were treated better than the Indians used to treat the tribes that lost to them. But, in your demented world, this was a paradise before the terrible Europeans came and put a stop to the human sacrifice and insane barbarism that was rampant, here. That’s okay. You idiots are doing your best to bring this same human sacrifice and barbarism back to our society … and you’ve been fairly successful at it.

Go back to kindergarten, fool. You and the Indonesian Dog-Eater are morons of the sort that no self-respecting Indian would have allowed to continue breathing, had they run into you some 1000 years ago or so. As I said, the Aztecs would have had your heart on a platter. I can’t say that they would have been wrong in that case, either.

Go pray to the noble savage. That seems to be your thing these days. You are not a fit citizen for a nation-state.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 11:02 PM

So, is it only Americans who need to move or are you going to move everyone back to Africa where it all began?
I have a phrase for you: conquered people.
Some of us learn from history and want to make sure to keep what we fought so hard for, but feel free to bend over, champ.
HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Furthermore, at no point in time did I EVER say ANYONE had to head back to where they came. Not once. I don’t think anyone has any compelling reason why anyone should have to “go back”, we’re American’s, e pluribus unum! Hello? Talk about pivoting and moving the goalposts! Haha. You’re now holding arguments against me I didn’t even, and wouldn’t ever, make!

That takes talent! A move with a high degree of difficulty and should score well with the judges, Tom.

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

So, you’re just talking out your azz for kicks?
I think you just like to hear the ignorance of your own voice.

HornetSting on May 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM

EXACTLY? Nope! You obey the laws that are in existence at the time. We will end up like Europe because a small sliver of people want political power. They don’t care what they leave behind because they’ll be dead.
To be anti-illegal immigration is honorable. To be otherwise is despicable.
Vince on May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Haha! Oh! Ok! I’m with you now. European immigrants are “valid” immigrants because all the system required of the them at the time was that they hop on a boat. And because the system was such, it makes them entirely different and unique in actions, mentality, and intentions, apart from what these new illegals that want to come here now.

SO different! I’m with you now. It’s the SYSTEM STRUCTURE that determines whether a person coming here is American material or dishonorable usurpers out to take you life, culture, and heritage away from you.

Whew, sorry, it just takes me a little while to tie the knots of reverse logic up in my head, where you start from the end point you want and then work backwards!

Glad you sorted me out and brought me up to speed! I got it now! Post my ancestors, the arguments made against my arriving family members will become valid so I can apply them to the next freshman class.

Look ma!!! I’m an American! “America for “Americans”!!” See ma?! It’s that easy! Just got to catch them before close for the day!!

;)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 11:10 PM

I am a Native American as I and my parents were born here. Really, all people everywhere came from somewhere else and took that land from the previous inhabitants. There are no “native” people anymore. The American Indians just happen to be the oldest ‘previous inhabitants’ still left alive.

jtpcamp on May 8, 2013 at 11:14 PM

I was conceived in New Mexico and born in Kansas. That makes me a native American.

sadatoni on May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Hmmm. I was conceived in Mexico (by a couple of vacationing Americans) and born in Illinois. I wonder what that makes me — another white Hispanic?

CJ on May 8, 2013 at 11:21 PM

P.S. I’ve had my intranets fill for the night! Just thought I’d advertise that after gracefully attempting to respond to your rebuttals for a while, that way there’s a note left here explaining myself so you can’t claim a win by “default” claiming I ran away when faced with your big, bad, throbbing, superior “arguments”.

I didn’t. And it’s not as impressive as you think it is. ;)

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Just go away.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2013 at 11:28 PM

But, Dear Leader, that was so long ago. What difference, at this point, does it make?

socalcon on May 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I was conceived in New Mexico and born in Kansas. That makes me a native American.

sadatoni on May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

It may matter to Meghan McCain where your gestation was.

socalcon on May 8, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Whew!!! I sure hope this guy’s family didn’t pay a lot for that education, because they sure didn’t get much for their money.
What a vapid pseudo-intellectual dunce!!!

Lew on May 8, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Want to see my birth certificate, barack?

Ronnie on May 8, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Even with the WH line of thinking…even the American Indian isn’t from here. Try again.
CW on May 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Obama’s declaration would work if he’s starting with Adam & Eve being created in North America or maybe some kind of a Darwinian “out-of-America” theory.

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Whew!!! I sure hope this guy’s family didn’t pay a lot for that education, because they sure didn’t get much for their money.
What a vapid pseudo-intellectual dunce!!!
Lew on May 8, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Remedial ed is called for – starting with Bering Strait 101.

whatcat on May 8, 2013 at 11:57 PM

I have a dream that one day my children will not be judged by the content of their character but by the zipcode of their great-great-great grandparents.

Lily on May 9, 2013 at 12:00 AM

and Native Americans originally crossed the Bering Strait…so…yeah

Sammo21 on May 9, 2013 at 12:02 AM

My Father’s family were Ulster-Scots who immigrated to the Virginia Frontier in 1739 and fought in the French Indian War (Frontier Militia) and the American Revolution.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Your people were a large percentage of the rebels. We are fortunate for that migration.

The United States Declaration of Independence contained fifty-six delegate signatures. Of the signers, eight were of Irish descent.[citation needed] Three signers, Matthew Thornton, George Taylor and James Smith were born in Ulster, the remaining five Irish Americans were the sons or grandsons of Irish immigrants: George Read, Thomas McKean, Thomas Lynch, Jr., Edward Rutledge and Charles Carroll, and at least McKean had Ulster heritage.[c

And we can thank the British for the Scotch Irish

entagor on May 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Yeah.

Two perpetually pissed off tribes…The Scots and the Irish.

Id love to see Scotland take the plunge and go independent from the UK….They have the oil.

workingclass artist on May 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Really? Smallpox blankets?? Absolute, long-disproven nonsense.

The ancestors of modern “Native Americans” were not the first to settle in North America.

Educate yourself before posting nonsense.

spinach.chin on May 9, 2013 at 12:27 AM

My Father’s family were Ulster-Scots who immigrated to the Virginia Frontier in 1739 and fought in the French Indian War (Frontier Militia) and the American Revolution.

workingclass artist on May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

My brother, wassup? Our side went west after VA—IN,KS and then CA. Should have went the TX route. I would be much happier.

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Yo Brother…We had a Land grant in Beverly Manor 1739…Probably knew the folks wiped out at Draper’s Meadow.

Our branch Migrated to Murfreesboro Tn. after 1812…Then Arkansas and Texas before the Civil War.

The other branches stayed in VA or went out west. Indiana, Ohio, Utah and California.

Branches of the (prolific) family are everywhere…But we started in old Augusta County.

Our story is as American as anybody’s…And Obama can Bite My Ulster-Scots Ass!

workingclass artist on May 9, 2013 at 12:31 AM

That the point being made in the quote this thread is about is actually pretty valid, or at the very least not as cartoonishly outragish as some here portray it to be.

Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You’re cartoonishly naive.

spinach.chin on May 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Yeah, I came from someplace else. Legally, you %$#@ *#$%&#%. If anyone else wants to come, I’ll recommend that they call themselves Fernandez and grow a mustache and come in by the southern border. It’s actually easier that way.

Xasprtr on May 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Obama = Big Slut

Rubio = Little Slut

McCain = Senile Slut

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Graham = Transgender Slut

VorDaj on May 8, 2013 at 10:25 PM

HA!

workingclass artist on May 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

That the point being made in the quote this thread is about is actually pretty valid, or at the very least not as cartoonishly outragish as some here portray it to be.
Genuine on May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You’re cartoonishly naive.
spinach.chin on May 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

I’m waiting to be enlightened about how there really are 57 US states.

But ya gotta feel for the apologists – they have to rationalize all the dimwitted and uninformed claims Obama makes. You just know how embarrassing that must be for them.

whatcat on May 9, 2013 at 1:08 AM

There’s another reason for an amnesty and a path to citizenship.

It’s the right thing to do from a Christian standpoint.

We are all called to welcome the stranger in our midst.

unclesmrgol on May 9, 2013 at 1:15 AM

“I consider this a nonsense tweet.”

itsspideyman on May 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM

But we started in old Augusta County.

Our story is as American as anybody’s…And Obama can Bite My Ulster-Scots Ass!

workingclass artist on May 9, 2013 at 12:31 AM

How great that is. Last summer is when I first heard of Augusta county when researching. Small world.

arnold ziffel on May 9, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Got news for you, Whitehouse, IF ALL MANKIND CAME FROM THE RIFT OF AFRICA THEN EVERYBODY IN ANY COUNTRY AND EVERY CONTINENT CAME FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

PhillupSpace on May 9, 2013 at 2:31 AM

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