New White House amnesty campaign: “Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”

posted at 8:01 pm on May 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

I thought I came from America, but now I know better.

That’s their new grassroots-mobilizing gimmick in support of the Gang of Eight’s amnesty bill. Rewarding illegals with citizenship flows as naturally and logically from having legal immigrants as ancestors as expanding background checks does from a school shooting committed by a lunatic who stole guns purchased legally by his mother. Follow the link in the tweet and share your “story” to remind Congress that basic border enforcement is for nativist trolls.

Here’s a story. Once upon a time, millions upon millions of immigrants came to America and paid their own way because there was no welfare state. Dan Foster:

[P]ro-amnesty Republicans should admit that their anti-amnesty colleagues raise a legitimate concern, and they should use the debate as an opportunity to strike a compromise: Amend the Gang of Eight bill to include means-testing, market-like competition, and block grants for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, respectively, along with a gradual scaling-back to pre-recession levels for food stamps, unemployment benefits, and the like. Allay the Heritage crowd’s concerns by trading amnesty for significant entitlement reform.

Such a move would for sure bring more Republicans on board, while helping relieve Marco Rubio from the Chuck Schumer–shaped albatross around his neck. It might, it just might, stop the melee on the right long enough to shift the pressure to the Senate Democrats by forcing them to assess their own priorities. And it would revive “grand bargain” talks in a creative and unexpected way, a way that precludes talk of tax increases altogether.

Of course, there is probably one chance in 10,000 that such a “grand bargain” could become law. Likelier, stapling amnesty to entitlement reform would doom “comprehensive immigration reform” entirely. But for those of us who think there is currently more bad than good in the bill, and who prefer a piecemeal approach, that’s quite an acceptable loss.

Right. Ted Cruz is sponsoring an amendment that would permanently bar legalized illegals from receiving welfare, but there’s not a prayer that Mediscare-fearing Republicans would push hard for broader entitlement reform as a condition of amnesty. Remember, the whole point of this grand immigration pander from the GOP’s perspective is to ingratiate itself with Latino voters, and Latino voters tend to support entitlements even more than much of the rest of the entitlement-loving American public does. We’re stuck with the welfare state in its current form (at least until people stop loaning us money), which is one big reason to oppose amnestizing lots of illegals. Justin Green:

[R]ecent arrivals are considerably less educated than they need to be to achieve the American dream. They, their children, and likely their grandchildren will disproportionately rely on the benefits a strong welfare state can provide. In addition, by bringing in these workers, the wage floor for low-skilled labor will remain low, meaning more native born Americans will also need to rely on the welfare state.

Unlike the 20th century, today’s workers will need a college degree — or some other form of advanced training — to attract the lifetime earnings required to raise a family without strong state assistance. That’s not because they’re lazy or indolent. It’s what the market increasingly deems worthy for someone without advanced skills. By bringing in further low skilled immigrants, we’ll only exacerbate an existing problem.

And shockingly, those newly legalized immigrants and their native born low-skilled counterparts are not going to be with you on the crusade to slash the welfare state.

One possible solution is to demystify college degrees as a de facto prerequisite for decent-paying jobs, but The One himself has talked up education beyond high school for all Americans. DrewM asks a good question too: “If low skill workers are the key to prosperity, why do we spend hundreds of billions dollars a year on educations and training programs?” Middle-class American parents spend 18-21 years terrorized by the thought that their children might not finish school and end up with thankless, low-paying jobs — and now they’re being told that bringing in millions of people in that exact situation is nothing but upside for America. You won’t see that story on the White House website.

Here’s the poor sap who got stuck being Team O’s new messaging prop. Better him than five-year-olds, right?


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To paraphrase Darth Vader:

PC is now the ultimate power in the universe! The left is using it.

DrDeano on May 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Points for trying to earn geek cred, but it was Admiral Motti who said the original line, in defense of the Death Star. It was Vader, in turn, who chided him, “don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed.”

The Schaef on May 9, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Native Americans came from somewhere else too…

Othniel on May 9, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Anthropologists say humans originated somewhere in Africa. We should figure out where that is, and all go back and give up our other lands to mother earth.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

There are plenty of studies showing how much illegal immigrants cost us.

Most of those studies show problems that result from illegality, not immigration.

Get rid of the “illegal” part of “illegal immigration” and you’ve fixed the problem.

That’s why I’m for an amnesty and a path to citizenship.

unclesmrgol on May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

that simply is not true.

Monkeytoe on May 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else. Share your family’s story: at.wh.gov/kQgOt #ImmigrationNation
 
— The White House (@whitehouse) May 8, 2013

 
They’re accidentally equating Native Americans to OWS “evil 1%” here, right?

rogerb on May 9, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Get rid of the “illegal” part of “illegal immigration” and you’ve fixed the problem.

unclesmrgol on May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

If such studies existed, they would be trumpeted. I am sure that various liberal groups have published “studies” saying this, but I am quite sure that those are incredibly easy to refute. Commons sense along tells us that millions of minimum wage or near minimum wage workers will never be a net positive on the economy. Claiming otherwise is the height of absurdity.

take away the “illegal” and you have unemployed or low-income people now eligible for various entitlements (to the extent they don’t already illegally use them). I’ve seen one or two very easily refuted claims that the income tax garnished will be more than what the gov’t pays out in entitlements, but the arguments used to claim this don’t pass the laugh test, let alone rigorous economic analysis.

It is the kind of wishful assertion pro-amnesty people claim, but that has never, ever been shown in any meaningful way.

Just say it out loud – “adding millions of low educated, low skilled labor to the U.S. workforce will be a net positive to the U.S. financially.”

Now, that may have been true in the 1950′s, but it certainly is not true today.

Again, assertions aside, there has never been a positive case made for why amnesty would benefit the U.S.

Monkeytoe on May 9, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Of course, Native Americans also came from someplace else. But it is always fun to see the nativists act crazy on these kinds of threads.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I hate to ask, but what exactly do you consider to be a “nativist”. I someone was born here, they are native.

Nutstuyu on May 9, 2013 at 1:04 PM

There are plenty of studies showing how much illegal immigrants cost us.
 
Most of those studies show problems that result from illegality, not immigration.
 
Get rid of the “illegal” part of “illegal immigration” and you’ve fixed the problem.
 
That’s why I’m for an amnesty and a path to citizenship.
 
unclesmrgol on May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

 
That’s an nice thing to think about, but the needs of the people who seek and willingly hire illegal aliens won’t change. They’ll still seek and hire illegal aliens because 1) they don’t care and 2) they want cheap.
 
You don’t really think the same folks who aren’t illegal anymore are going to keep working the same jobs, do you?
 
What we’ll have is the same number of illegals (although an entirely new batch to replace the old ones) and millions of newly-minted citizens to compete with our already struggling low/no-education class.
 
And don’t forget the new illegals will have students in our schools, use our hospitals, etc. $$$
 
Until hiring illegals becomes prohibitively expensive, the businesses will keep hiring illegals.

rogerb on May 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

my bloodline has been here for at least 6 generations. not qualified? oh i forgot, we didn’t build this country.

jomondo44 on May 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”
yeah, Brooklyn.

gbear on May 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Until hiring illegals becomes prohibitively expensive, the businesses will keep hiring illegals.

rogerb on May 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Or, you can remove the government regulatory disincentives that makes “off the book” employment so attractive. This should probably be a both rather than an or, though.

GWB on May 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Until hiring illegals becomes prohibitively expensive, the businesses will keep hiring illegals.

rogerb on May 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Or, you can remove the government regulatory disincentives that makes “off the book” employment so attractive. This should probably be a both rather than an or, though.

GWB on May 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

You can also eliminate the disincentives for employers to do more thorough checks on prospective employees to see if they are legal. At present, if an applicant’s SSN checks out, you can be sued by DOJ for discrimination if you question his/her legality further.

Employers are bounded on both sides by the law; the law against hiring illegals, and the laws against not hiring them if the feds pass the SSN and you don’t accept that.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Unlike the President, I can prove I’m a native American.

camerc on May 9, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I thought “Native Americans” had ancestors that crossed over the Bering Straits during the Ice Age. “Native” Americans “came from someplace else” too; that would be China/Russia, and before that Africa. Kenya maybe? Maybe we were all ultimately born in Kenya 50,000 years ago? Heavy stuff.

Seriously. WTF? Who cares? Idiots. Scotty has the shields up deflecting photon torpedoes anyway he can.

NoPain on May 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I was born in California. My mother was a native-born US citizen, my father was not a citizen of this country. Makes me just as much a citizen as our President, I’d say. “Native born”, to boot.

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on May 10, 2013 at 1:48 AM

I didn’t come from somewhere else.
My grandparents did… legally.
KMA, WH!

Dexter_Alarius on May 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Get rid of the “illegal” part of “illegal immigration” and you’ve fixed the problem.

That’s why I’m for an amnesty and a path to citizenship.

unclesmrgol on May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

11 million people; who will all take out more than they put in, should get more benefits and access to Social Security, Medicare, etc. and this will save us money…

Is your argument that we’ll make up each individual loss in volume? If we lose a few thousand per person per year that’s bad; but if we do it with 11 million people that’ll somehow be a net gain?

I don’t even see how your argument is plausible… Medicare access alone will outstrip the tax benefit of this group with nothing else involved… but we’ll reduce our deficit if we add them?

Not seeing how that’s possible, or even plausible.

gekkobear on May 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I don’t even see how your argument is plausible… Medicare access alone will outstrip the tax benefit of this group with nothing else involved… but we’ll reduce our deficit if we add them?

Not seeing how that’s possible, or even plausible.

gekkobear on May 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

It’s not plausible. If it were true that the lowest wage workers were a net fiscal gain for the gov’t, the U.S. would not have any fiscal problems.

that anyone can make that claim is troubling – as it defies all facts and math.

But, the pro-amnesty crowd have no real arguments they can make, so they lie. It’s sad that there are so many on the right who join in with those lies. I don’t understand it. I don’t understand what they really think they will achieve with an amnesty. The idea that Hispanics will suddenly start voting for the GOP has been so thoroughly debunked that they don’t even seem to be arguing that anymore. So, I just don’t understand what they think an amnesty will achieve that is beneficial to the U.S.

I think it is the same sort of thinking that usually animates liberals. I want to feel good about myself for helping my fellow man, so I’ll use the gov’t to do it. I can certainly understand to some degree that urge, as I have sympathy for the people who came here illegally looking for a better life. But enacting a terrible, terrible policy for the U.S. does not follow as a proper reaction to that sympathy.

Monkeytoe on May 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM

WE should have Never let anyone get away with disenfranchising citizens by race. I am a Native American, because I was Born here.

Observation on May 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM

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