Zero tolerance: Virginia school strikes blow for gun safety by suspending five-year-old for using a pencil or something

posted at 5:21 pm on May 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Legal Insurrection. Per the clip, in the school’s defense, the kid’s clearly firing a pencil machine gun. If he had taken Biden’s advice and stuck with a shotgun instead of an assault pencil, he wouldn’t have to worry about people taking away his writing implements. His punishment: Two days’ suspension, plus a mandatory appearance as a child prop in the next Obama gun-control video. (Kidding, kidding.)

It starts in kindergarten with pencil guns, then in grade school they move up to water pistols, and before you know it they’re all grown up and ready to join the Corps to defend America.

“When I asked him about it, he said, ‘Well I was being a Marine and the other guy was being a bad guy,’” said Paul Marshall, the boy’s father. “It’s as simple as that.”

Christopher’s father was a Marine for many years. He thinks school leaders overreacted.

“A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made,” said Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools…

“Some children would consider it threatening, who are scared about shootings in schools or shootings in the community,” said Bradshaw. “Kids don’t think about ‘Cowboys and Indians’ anymore, they think about drive-by shootings and murders and everything they see on television news every day.”

My weapon of choice, for what it’s worth, is the Bic semi-automatic. One thing about this: Didn’t the principal know that the school would end up being ridiculed online? Given the attention to insane overreactions to pretend gunplay by six-year-olds, you would think administrators would pause before slapping a kid with a suspension for turning his donut into a Glock or whatever.

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“A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made,” said Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools…

“Some children would consider it threatening, who are scared about shootings in schools or shootings in the community,” said Bradshaw. “Kids don’t think about ‘Cowboys and Indians’ anymore, they think about drive-by shootings and murders and everything they see on television news every day.”

This very situation is refutation of her statement that “kids don’t think about Cowboys and Indians anymore,” she just wishes the hell that they wouldn’t, because then it’d be easier to alienate them from the responsible and lawful use of firearms.

dkmonroe on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I prefer the Gatling pen

BobMbx on May 7, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Hey – I had a gatling pen – the ones with 4 different colored ink cartridges.
Didn’t know I was holding a full auto assault pen at the time….

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Seriously, do kids not play cops and robbers anymore? We used to love that in the 90s. I’m not that old…am I?

Fezzik on May 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Yeah. Yer screwed. My Brother in law has good deals on plots…..

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM

We reeeeeeeeally need to start testing educators for neurosis.

antipc on May 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

“When I asked him about it, he said, ‘Well I was being a Marine A vile imperialist warmonging murderer and the other guy was being a bad heroic freedom fighter guy,’” said Paul Marshall, the boy’s father. “It’s as simple as that.”

How a Leftist sees it.

hawkeye54 on May 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

We reeeeeeeeally need to start testing educators for neurosis.

And after the testing, medicate them and lock em up in padded cells.

hawkeye54 on May 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

“Some children would consider it threatening, who are scared about shootings in schools or shootings in the community,” said Bradshaw. “Kids don’t think about ‘Cowboys and Indians’ anymore, they think about drive-by shootings and murders and everything they see on television news every day.”

This very situation is refutation of her statement that “kids don’t think about Cowboys and Indians anymore,” she just wishes the hell that they wouldn’t, because then it’d be easier to alienate them from the responsible and lawful use of firearms.

dkmonroe on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

What does it say about public schools when teachers are concerned that children think pencils are used in drive-by shootings and murders?

I think since this is a school setting, they could probably teach that at some point. You know, give up a single condom instruction class or something.

BobMbx on May 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

This very situation is refutation of her statement that “kids don’t think about Cowboys and Indians anymore,” she just wishes the hell that they wouldn’t, because then it’d be easier to alienate them from the responsible and lawful use of firearms.

dkmonroe on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Now it’s SEALs vs Muslim suicide bombers…..
You have to shoot him full of #2 lead before he yells “allahu akbar kerblammmo”.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

In the meantime…

News is a Russian El-Ed teacher saved her FIFTY students from serious injury during the recent meteoroid hit by getting her kids to duck and cover, while sustaining serious injuries to herself from flying glass.

we are soooo screwed.

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM

In the meantime…

News is a Russian El-Ed teacher saved her FIFTY students from serious injury during the recent meteoroid hit by getting her kids to duck and cover, while sustaining serious injuries to herself from flying glass.

we are soooo screwed.

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM

sorry sorry

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM

sorry sorry

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Ask Whoopi if that’s a post post.

BobMbx on May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

That school woulda LOVED me. One year, I brought in a toy UZI for show and tell. Amazingly enough, I didn’t grow up to be a psycho b*tch.
Truly, it’s a wonder.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

“A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made,” said Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools…

Good grief! That beats Guam tipping over as stupid comment of the century.

Ever notice that these principals all seem to be females these days?

That should be used as an ad for home schooling or private schools. It’s funny, my son has more freedom and latitude in a private Lutheran school than kids going to public schools.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM

This very situation is refutation of her statement that “kids don’t think about Cowboys and Indians anymore,” she just wishes the hell that they wouldn’t, because then it’d be easier to alienate them from the responsible and lawful use of firearms.

dkmonroe on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

When I was a kid, me and my cousins would argue over who got to be the Indian and who got stuck being the cowboy – since we actually have a some Indian lineage (not as much as Senator Fauxcahontas claims, but probably more than she actually has).

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Tell the school system how you feel about this…

http://www.spsk12.net/contact-us/
Fire away.

Or if you prefer, contact the clown Bradshaw directly…
betbradshaw@spsk12.net

voiceofreason on May 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM

That school woulda LOVED me. One year, I brought in a toy UZI for show and tell. Amazingly enough, I didn’t grow up to be a psycho b*tch.
Truly, it’s a wonder.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Are you sure about that?….
Out libtard trolls might disagree… ;)

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I rode the ‘short bus’ until mid-way through 3rd grade. Because the expectations for us were so low-we weren’t expected to amount to anything-the rules were a bit more lax. That actually ended up= more freedom. Though this was in the mid-late 1970′s=even then I doubt I could’ve brought a toy Uzi into a ‘normal’ classroom.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Me and my brothers would have never finished school…good grief.

Nothing is more deadly than a number 2 pencil…

I yearn for the days when peanuts were the most dangerous item in school…I thought that was “nuts”.

Imagine using the straws from the cafeteria, and shooting spit wads, that could land you in jail.

right2bright on May 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM

is there a picture of what a Bethanne Bradshaw looks like? I’d like to see stupid piled that high.

DanMan on May 7, 2013 at 6:35 PM

How a Leftist sees it.

hawkeye54 on May 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

You are exactly right…perfect defining of what they understand.

right2bright on May 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Glade the schools were not that way when I was growing up. I’d still be on suspension and could not have served my country for 27 years.

jpcpt03 on May 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

…Though this was in the mid-late 1970′s…

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Things were changing a lot during that time period. Here, public High School students had a smoking break room in the early 70s, could come and go off campus as they pleased during unscheduled periods, and girls had to wear skirts. That all changed around 73 or 74, as I recall.

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but I have to run out the door and don’t have time to read the entire thread: The real danger of this goes beyond its pure laughable stupidity. This is Leftists indoctrinating the children. The Leftists want to fill them with so much neurosis with regard to the Leftists’ various political aims that the children won’t be able to think clearly or for themselves in later life. That is the goal. It’s really pretty scary. We’re seeing some serious Orwellian stuff here. It’s basically child abuse. “Liberals” are truly scum.

WhatSlushfund on May 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM

One thing about this: Didn’t the principal know that the school would end up being ridiculed online?

you’re assuming the principal didn’t want the attention in the first place

and even despite my stance on guns, I think this was an overreaction

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:42 PM

and even despite my stance on guns, I think this was an overreaction

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:42 PM

REACTIONARY!!!!!!!

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

If I had been forced to wear a skirt-I would’ve dropped out. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

If I had been forced to wear a skirt-I would’ve dropped out. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

thats a dumb reason to drop out of school for

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I say we send this kid to Disney World for two days!

lea on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Burge cites HotAir:

avid Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 20m

How about zero-tolerance for dumbass school administrators? http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/07/zero-tolerance-virginia-school-strikes-blow-for-gun-safety-by-suspending-five-year-old-for-using-a-pencil-or-something/

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

If I had been forced to wear a skirt-I would’ve dropped out. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

thats a dumb reason to drop out of school for

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

What was your reason?

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

thats a dumb reason to drop out of school for

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

did god tell you that.

woof woof

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

did god tell you that.

woof woof

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

nah, I don’t listen to imaginary beings

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I graduated in the late ’80′s, Nimrod.
No skirts required.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Amazingly enough, I didn’t grow up to be a psycho b*tch.
Truly, it’s a wonder.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Er

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I saw a comment at one site that actually seems to have some truth in it… and if you think about it…

More or less ( not word for word ) the idea is that they are now teaching kids how “evil” guns are. As they grow up thinking this, it will make it much easier to do a gun grab till eventually there are no guns for private citizens because they have been taught how evil guns are and that only gov types should have them.

watertown on May 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Shut it!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Once again the public education system must be crushed and replaced with a system that is not controlled by communists, unions and control freaks.

William Eaton on May 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

More or less ( not word for word ) the idea is that they are now teaching kids how “evil” guns are. As they grow up thinking this, it will make it much easier to do a gun grab till eventually there are no guns for private citizens because they have been taught how evil guns are and that only gov types should have them.

watertown on May 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Think how easy this is to undo. Skip going out to eat on, say Wednesday, and instead, make it family skeet night.

problem solved for another 20 years.

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

nah, I don’t listen to imaginary beings

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

. . . You went to Harvard Law?

Axe on May 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM

yes

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Snort.

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Let’s rephrase that. You were a student at Harvard? Did you graduate from Harvard?

Cindy Munford on May 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM

yes to both.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/jay-carney-hey-benghazi-happened-a-long-time-ago/comment-page-4/#comment-6940147

You are an imaginary being.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Not to mention firecrackers. The poor GI Joes never had a chance.

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Oh good Lord, we did blow Sh*t up back then. Build model cars and destroy them with firecrackers…lol. M80′s were the best! It is a wonder that anyone over 50 is still alive!

Johnnyreb on May 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

did god tell you that.

woof woof

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

nah, I don’t listen to imaginary beings

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Hey! Neither do I.

But I do listen to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

that only gov types should have them.

watertown on May 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

That’s the goal.

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Bethany needs to be fired. Her over reaction is hurting this child. She is ab-using this child to make a ridiculous point, political point, and this child is her victim. Abuse is abuse – and she holds power over the child and his parents. Very simply – jail time is the remedy for child abusers.

famous amos on May 7, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The real danger of this goes beyond its pure laughable stupidity. This is Leftists indoctrinating the children. The Leftists want to fill them with so much neurosis with regard to the Leftists’ various political aims that the children won’t be able to think clearly or for themselves in later life. That is the goal. It’s really pretty scary. We’re seeing some serious Orwellian stuff here. It’s basically child abuse. “Liberals” are truly scum.

WhatSlushfund on May 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Exactly. While we joke about it and think ‘what idiots they are’ there is actually a purpose being accomplished. The vast majority, not all but a majority, of these school kids are being indoctrinated to believe that having anthing whatsoever to do with a gun is bad and will get them in trouble. In fifteen or twenty years when they are of voting age it is going to be extremely easy to do away with the Second Amendment. The NRA and other gun rights organizations are being badly outmanuevered and they haven’t a clue. By the time they figure it out it will be too late… actually its probably already too late.

mjzman on May 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Things were changing a lot during that time period. Here, public High School students had a smoking break room in the early 70s, could come and go off campus as they pleased during unscheduled periods, and girls had to wear skirts. That all changed around 73 or 74, as I recall.

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Ever see the movie “Dazed and Confused?” With the exception of the stupid hazing rituals, that was my high school in Pennsylvania in the 70s, although the stoner crowd in my high school made their bongs out of clay and fired in a kiln in art class rather than in metal shop. If they couldn’t wait for a toke, they’d light up and turn on the fan on in the area in the back of the room that we used to spray fixative on our charcoal or pastel drawings.

Any dress code the school district once had was gone by 1970.

PatriotGal2257 on May 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I saw a comment at one site that actually seems to have some truth in it… and if you think about it…

More or less ( not word for word ) the idea is that they are now teaching kids how “evil” guns are. As they grow up thinking this, it will make it much easier to do a gun grab till eventually there are no guns for private citizens because they have been taught how evil guns are and that only gov types should have them.

watertown on May 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Except this typically has the opposite effect, essentially making the gun taboo – it gives it even more power. Kinda like a racial slur. The more forbidden the word, the more powerful it becomes.

dugan on May 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM

thats a dumb reason to drop out of school for

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Speaking of school, did you ever complete RWM’s homework assignment from a few days ago? Your absences have been duly noted.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Louisiana Supreme Court rules voucher funding violates the state Constitution

http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2013/05/breaking_louisiana_supreme_cou.html

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

That’s nothing, their notebooks were claymore mines.

jake49 on May 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM

WhatSlushfund on May 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM

mjzman on May 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

CC this story and your comments to Wayne LaPierre, Bill Richardson and Larry Pratt, and Rabbi Dovid Bendory immediately.

PatriotGal2257 on May 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I’m surprised they didn’t haul him out in cuffs and slap him with a felony.

“A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made,” said Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools…

Is suspension a weapon when teachers over react to children playing with imaginary pretend toys?

Does the teacher realize that a 6 year old pretending to make “gun noises” doesn’t actually harm anyone? That “imaginary gun noises” doesn’t actually mean real gun noises? Does the teacher know that when a 6 year old pretends a pencil is a gun it isn’t really a gun.

Does this teacher even have an understanding of 6 year olds and play? How they use imagination and pretend? That 6 year olds generally do not equate pretend and play as reality. But the teacher seems confused with both?

These are serious questions that should be asked of this teacher. Because it sounds as though the teacher can’t understand the difference between imagination and reality. You can get a mental diagnosis when you have problem confusing reality with imagination.

I think a teacher who over reacts to pretend play is more of a threat to the children than a 6 year old who plays pretend anything.

JellyToast on May 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Sure you folks laugh, but this means years of therapy for those targeted.

slickwillie2001 on May 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM

PatriotGal2257 on May 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Haven’t seen Dazed and Confused, but the song is a classic. I guess I’ll have to go through life without reliving all the fun youths I once had the pleasure of going to school with.

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM

this keeps happening, over and over. why? oh i know: it’s because these idiot school administrators want to brag about themselves by saying “i did something to help stop gun violence!!” though, they didn’t actually do anything to stop it.

they don’t care about hurting kids’ feelings. they just care about themselves.

how dare they equate an innocent kid to some drive-by murderer.

also, they want to drill into kids’ heads a “guns are bad” mentality. if “guns are bad,” then anyone who likes guns must be a bad person…

Sachiko on May 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM

“A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made,” said Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools…

This is so stupid and insane I don’t know where to start.

These are the people who are indoctrinating US children. They have a virtual monopoly, they are paid with your tax money, and it is virtually impossible to fire them.

farsighted on May 7, 2013 at 7:55 PM

You are an imaginary being.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM

C’mon, y’all. Be nice to Brave Sir Robin.

bigmacdaddy on May 7, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM

LOL, yep the song is a classic, and ironically, is the only song that isn’t in the movie. I read somewhere that the licensing for the music Richard Linklater did use was the biggest expense of all.

And yeah, 30 or so years out, the characters in the movie … or rather, caricatures … are easy to laugh at now. When I was in the midst of it, of course, I had the same attitude as you do.

PatriotGal2257 on May 7, 2013 at 7:58 PM

thats a dumb reason to drop out of school for

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Speaking of school, did you ever complete RWM’s homework assignment from a few days ago? Your absences have been duly noted.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

I was saving that for a follow up. :) But . . . Eh:

you prob went to a lesser school…perhaps cornell, since you called it an ivy. had it been harvard or yale, you would’ve said as much.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Nope. Try, again. In the meantime, Oliver Wendell Holmes, let’s get ready to rummmmmmbbbbllllllllllee and play my favourite game: LAW!

Explain the evolution in the line of legal reasoning that started with Vidal v Girard’s Executors, where the Court recognised that the Christian religion was part of common law then, fold in the very first mention of the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ in Reynolds v United States, and Church of the Holy Trinity v United States, which not only ignored the dicta in Reynolds about Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists, but recounted in great detail how all 44 state constitutions referenced God and Christianity. Then, take Holy Trinity and meld it into Everson v Board of Education, which saw the adoption of the ‘Doctrine of Separation Between Church and State’ and explain how the Court moved from Vidal to Everson.

Oh, and, if you really are a law school graduate, you will also be able to tell us the back story on Everson.

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Im sorry but I have to go get dinner

I don’t need to waste my time proving my credentials to you. If you dont believe me, fine. I have no reason to lie, but think what you wish.

g’night folks!

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Terrorists like Bill Ayres, teaching teachers that pencils and hello kitty bubble blowers are instruments of violence.

Only in America!

MNHawk on May 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Weapons are used to inflict damage.

A pencil pointed at someone while making gun noises would inflict what sort of damage exactly?

Kudos to this woman she saved the whole school from this obvious menace to society!! There’s no telling what could happen if this young man started a gang. Can you imagine a gang of 5 year old boys pointing their pencils and making gun noises? The damage inflicted by pointing and making noises…why it is unimaginable!

(now this poor kid probably has a file started at the homeland security department labeled future domestic terrorist.)

jjjdad on May 7, 2013 at 8:06 PM

this keeps happening, over and over. why? oh i know: it’s because these idiot school administrators want to brag about themselves by saying “i did something to help stop gun violence!!” though, they didn’t actually do anything to stop it.

Sachiko on May 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Exactly like far too many of our politicians.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Speaking of school, did you ever complete RWM’s homework assignment from a few days ago? Your absences have been duly noted.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Minstrel: [singing] Brave Sir Robin ran away…
Sir Robin: *No!*
Minstrel: [singing] bravely ran away away…
Sir Robin: *I didn’t!*
Minstrel: [singing] When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Sir Robin: *I never did!*
Minstrel: [singing] Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about, and valiantly, he chickened out.
Sir Robin: *Oh, you liars!*
Minstrel: [singing] Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat. A brave retreat by brave Sir Robin.

bigmacdaddy on May 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Things were changing a lot during that time period. Here, public High School students had a smoking break room in the early 70s, could come and go off campus as they pleased during unscheduled periods, and girls had to wear skirts. That all changed around 73 or 74, as I recall.

Fenris on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Most of that sounds like my HS in Maine – graduated in 79 – but no dress codes that I ever knew of.
Smoking room in the school – but the potheads still had to go out in the woods behind the school.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

This is what zero-tolerance evangelical, culture-nannies begat. This is an extension of the misguided drug/culture war. Deal with it. As long as GOP is beholden to extremism it will bite us in the arse.

Dems don’t care. There is no point complaining in their general direction.

Capitalist Hog on May 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Mandatory move to page two… for it’s idiocy.

preallocated on May 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Zero tolerance: Virginia school strikes blow for gun safety by suspending five-year-old for using a pencil or something

This is BS, but you know some parents will complain if they heard about this, would end up in the papers/local media, and the administration would be branded as incompetents who don’t care about violence in their schools.

In this current social environment, they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Times have changed. We used to shoot actual BB guns at each other (which was, admittedly, really stupid). Those things hurt!

IndieDogg on May 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Virginia school strikes blow for gun safety by suspending five-year-old for using a pencil or something

That’s progress.

At least they didn’t call the cops and have the kid arrested like they usually do.

Axion on May 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I’m sorry but I agree with the school. Zero tolerance makes perfect sense to me. Just recently in my city a 3 year old just shot his 5 year old sister with a gun his father had laying around. Kids need to understand guns are not toys and they’re nothing to joke around with. You can say this is silly but I bet you that no other students at this school will be bringing in guns in their backpack to show their friends or anything. I rather them over reacting then being lax about it.

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

I’m guessing you never scored well in reading comprehension, did you? The kid was suspended for pointing a PENCIL at someone and making gun sounds. Other kid was probably doing the same thing but wasn’t seen by the teacher.

Yeah, there are scores of kids killed each year by loaded pencils left laying around. Bet that kid won’t bring a pencil to school next time.

/sidenote — as a troll, you suck

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I’m sorry but I agree with the school. Zero tolerance makes perfect sense to me. Just recently in my city a 3 year old just shot his 5 year old sister with a gun his father had laying around. Kids need to understand guns are not toys and they’re nothing to joke around with. You can say this is silly but I bet you that no other students at this school will be bringing in guns in their backpack to show their friends or anything. I rather them over reacting then being lax about it.

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Sorry no – it’s just plain stupid.

Your example is a case of a stupid parent who apparently shouldn’t have guns (and those people do exist), as he doesn’t know how to handle them. Your example is no different than the irresponsible parents who leave kids unattended to drown in a swimming pool or bathtub – which happens far more often than little kids shooting each other (check FBI and other stats if you don’t believe me).

That’s a huge leap from that to some kids playing good guy / bad guy with pencils – like MILLIONS of us law-abiding citizens have done for many decades – with pencils, pens, sticks, legos, squirt guns, BB guns, paintball guns, airsoft guns, etc, etc.
My boys used to turn darn near everything into a gun – because my wife wouldn’t let them have toy guns. And they learned about proper gun handling in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts – and now that they’re in their 20s – funny thing is – they have real guns and they’ve never shot anyone.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

bigmacdaddy on May 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

He made a big tactical error by his Harvard claims the other night. So every time he shows his partisan ass we will be there to question his veracity, wisdom, and fitness to be a human.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Kids need to understand guns are not toys and they’re nothing to joke around with.

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

And in Houston, a school district canceled a program that was designed to do exactly that. I guess that district doesn’t care if kids are accidentally hurt when some of them find a gun laying around.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

bigmacdaddy on May 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

He made a big tactical error by his Harvard claims the other night. So every time he shows his partisan ass we will be there to question his veracity, wisdom, and fitness to be a human.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I think bigmacdaddy knows it – and gets it – given what he posted.
Hilarious Monty Python bit.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

And in Houston, a school district canceled a program that was designed to do exactly that. I guess that district doesn’t care if kids are accidentally hurt when some of them find a gun laying around.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Very nice point and reference.
Ya take guns seriously – but cancel a gun safety program designed for little kids when you find out it’s sponsored by the NRA.
YA – that’s really bright….

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

So, at what age does our first amendment rights kick in? I thought it was at birth, but obviously I’m wrong.

starboardhelm on May 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I think bigmacdaddy knows it – and gets it – given what he posted.
Hilarious Monty Python bit.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I knew he got it. Liked the Monty Python ref.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I knew he got it. Liked the Monty Python ref.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

No prob – it looked to me like you were explaining the background to him.
Apologies if I was mistaken.

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I’m sorry but I agree with the school. Zero tolerance makes perfect sense to me. Just recently in my city a 3 year old just shot his 5 year old sister with a gun his father had laying around. Kids need to understand guns are not toys and they’re nothing to joke around with. You can say this is silly but I bet you that no other students at this school will be bringing in guns in their backpack to show their friends or anything. I rather them over reacting then being lax about it.

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

From your other posts this comes as no surprise. How about biting a pop tart into gun shape, bad? A birdie finger, a boob? Bet you would be the perfect guard at camp.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

None needed. You always make good posts.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

did god tell you that.

woof woof

davidk on May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

nah, I don’t listen to imaginary beings

nonpartisan on May 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

No…but you listen to AlGore, who just made 200MILLION OFF of you rubes………………………….

WryTrvllr on May 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Liked the Monty Python ref.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

LOVE Monty Python – especially the Holy Grail.
I used to be able to quote darn near the whole movie – but my memory just isn’t what it used to be.
I keep trying the Cliff Clavin theory for getting smarter with alcohol, but it just doesn’t seem to be working 100%….

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I keep trying the Cliff Clavin theory for getting smarter with alcohol, but it just doesn’t seem to be working 100%….

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

You made me laugh—Cliff Claven on Jeopardy, good times. Used to work with a guy they called Claven and it wasn’t out of love.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

One thing about this: Didn’t the principal know that the school would end up being ridiculed online?

Doubtful. Zero tolerance is habitually used by those with no common sense.

rukiddingme on May 7, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Usually people are afraid of real guns pointed at them, not fingers and pencils, unless they are pantywaist Libs making up phony feelings.

BetseyRoss on May 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM

So lead poisoning is right out?

johnnyU on May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM

It’s funny, my son has more freedom and latitude in a private Lutheran school than kids going to public schools.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Funny old world, ain’t it? It’s not just in education that this has happened. In the UK and Australia, it used to be that the (left) Labor party came from and represented the working class and the conservatives came out of the universities and from old money and represented the elites. Now it’s fully the other way around in both countries (although the ‘conservatives’ have slid so far to the center over the last 20 years they’re virtually liberals now)

The Thin Man Returns on May 7, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Politricks on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You’re a friggin moron.

And 3 year olds aren’t old enough for any school so I don’t know how you think this point is germane, at all. Frankly, I’m surprised that a 3 year old could even hold a gun, let alone fire it. Sounds kind suspicious, to me.

In any event, you’re an idiot who society should have zero tolerance for. Go away, slimeball. There are tons of wussified countries that would suit your pathetic self just fine.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2013 at 10:18 PM

I had friends in the orchestra. You should have seen how they carried their violin cases.

That would surely have gotten them expelled.

EdmundBurke247 on May 7, 2013 at 10:27 PM

You know, if you take one of the large pencils they use in first grade and sharpen it down to where in is only about 4.5 inch long, it looks a little like a Mark 17 Thermonuclear device, a 25 megaton bomb capable of vaporizing a whole city and killing a million plus people in the initial blast. A shortened number 2 pencil looks very much like a B83 nuclear bomb.

Why are school administrators and teachers letting our children use replica nuclear bombs to do their school work? Oh, the humanity!

Wallythedog on May 7, 2013 at 10:28 PM

And let us not forget that lemons and limes are kinda shaped like hand grenades.

dissent555 on May 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

The teacher and administrators are trying to teach these toddlers that real guns are bad and unacceptable. The teachers and administrators engaging in this insanity are using their authority under state law to punish children for even pretending to have a gun. That seems to me to cross a big red line.

Everyone in this country is born with the right to keep and bear arms. No one will argue that the school system has every right to use their state power to demand that children do not bring actual guns to school or to punish a child who brings in something that a reasonable person could mistake for a weapon. But punishing a child for utilizing an imaginary gun – that is punishing a thought crime. More, it is using the power of the state to punish a child for even thinking of bearing a gun – and that is Constitutionally protected territory. Some enterprising lawyer really needs to start suing these school systems for this abuse of their state power.

Wolf Howling on May 7, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Hey – I had a gatling pen – the ones with 4 different colored ink cartridges.
Didn’t know I was holding a full auto assault pen at the time….

dentarthurdent on May 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

All this pencil-gun stuff is relly kids play.

HERE is my preferred fire power.

belad on May 8, 2013 at 12:02 AM

HERE is my preferred fire power.

belad on May 8, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Very nice.
I’ll bet Ms Bradshaw would pee and poop her pants just looking at it – and pass out if it was actually fired in her presence.

My boys and I have fired something similar – I think it was a Barret .50 Cal sniper rifle at Dragon Man’s annual 9/11 Memorial Machine Gun Shoot. The boys LOVED it – and kept going back – at $5 a shot.

dentarthurdent on May 8, 2013 at 12:25 AM

As a public school teacher, I’d just like to point out that a lot of this stupidity is the work of administrators and district bureaucrats, who then turn around and do their best to make schools a no risk/competition/fun zone. Kids at my school aren’t supposed to run around the play equipment because they might run into something/someone, for crying out loud. I consider it a small victory every time I organize a game of dodgeball (haven’t banned it yet) or an academic achievement assembly (so far no parents have complained that it makes their kid feel bad… give it time) or look the other way as the kiddos play ‘Iron Man’.

salmonczar on May 8, 2013 at 2:01 AM

You laugh, but the next thing you know he’ll be bringing a high-capacity pencil box to school….

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 8, 2013 at 2:14 AM

This is what zero-tolerance evangelical, culture-nannies begat. This is an extension of the misguided drug/culture war. Deal with it. As long as GOP is beholden to extremism it will bite us in the arse.

Dems don’t care. There is no point complaining in their general direction.

Capitalist Hog on May 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM

You’re funny. You use “evangelical” as an epithet, but evangelicals wouldn’t be suspending boys for pointing a finger or a pencil or a pop tart at someone.

No, that lunacy always comes from the left.

Let’s face it: the Puritans were pikers. The progressives are the real fascists.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 8, 2013 at 2:26 AM

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