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posted at 10:41 pm on May 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s whereabouts and activities during the attack in Benghazi are similarly mysterious. Clinton’s State Department repeatedly rejected requests for enhancing security at Benghazi, even as Ansar al-Sharia’s power in the area grew over the summer of 2012. Why did State not beef up the Benghazi mission’s security? The Benghazi attack was focused on the U.S/ consulate, which belongs to the U.S. State Department. Why Stevens was in Benghazi that night, and what the consulate may have been used for, remains unknown. One of the Wednesday whistleblowers, veteran counterterrorism officer Mark I. Thompson, is expected to testify that Secretary of State Clinton sought to cut the State Department’s counterterrorism bureau out of the chain of reporting and decision-making during the attack. Thompson also claims that the State Department suppressed his account after the attack. Another unnamed State official corroborates Thompson’s account. But Daniel Benjamin, head of the counterterrorism unit at the time, says Clinton never tried to cut his group out during the attack. All of this brings to mind the question, exactly what was Clinton’s role on the night of the attack? Secretary of Defense Panetta testified that he and Clinton never communicated during the attack. All three of the nation’s top national security and diplomatic officials — President Obama, Defense Secretary Panetta and Secretary of State Clinton — were in Washington that night. Panetta and Clinton were evidently engaged in responding to the attack, independently. Yet according to Panetta, they never talked to each other during the attack. Why would they not communicate during an ongoing attack on a U.S. facility overseas, if indeed they did not? Both Defense and State would surely be involved in any effective response to an attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission overseas.

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When asked Monday who told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sept. 11, 2012–while the terrorist attack was still ongoing in Benghazi and before former Navy SEALS Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed there—that the attack was being justified as “a response to inflammatory material posted on Internet,” State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell would not answer

At Monday’s briefing, CNSNews.com asked: “That statement was put out before former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods died in Benghazi. Who specifically told Hillary Clinton that there were some people blaming this on inflammatory response to–inflammatory material on the internet? Where did she get that idea at 10 p.m. on September 11th?”

Ventrell responded: “Look, these are issues that have been looked at in great detail, that have been answered in great detail to the Congress, to the American people, and you’re asking about something that is many months prior. And we’ve been very clear, and the ARB has looked at all of these issues and done so in great detail.”

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Was this attack, then, a spontaneous reaction to a video or a planned attack? Either way, it was a major security failure. In fact, it’s hard to say which horn of the dilemma would make the administration look worse. A planned attack means a failure of intelligence and security. A spontaneous attack suggests security was so lax, little planning was needed to overrun the compound.

Finally, it’s possible the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some people on hand that night were upset about the video. Others may have had different motives and used the video as a pretext. As the initial, unaltered talking points said, “The crowd almost certainly was a mix of individuals from across many sectors of Libyan society. That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al Qa’ida participated in the attack.”

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The military did nothing, except send a drone to watch the action. Defense Secretary Panetta later offered the excuse, “You can’t willy-nilly send F-16s there and blow the hell out of place. . . . You have to have good intelligence.” As a civilian, Mr. Panetta probably didn’t know that 99 percent of air sorties over Afghanistan never drop a single bomb. General Dempsey, however, knew it was standard procedure to roar menacingly over the heads of mobs, while not “blowing the hell out of them.” A show of air power does have a deterrent effect and is routinely employed.

A mortar shell killed two Americans during the tenth hour of the fight. A mortar tube can be detected from the air. The decision whether to then bomb should have resided with a pilot on-station — not back in Washington. As for the alleged lack of “good intelligence,” three U.S. operations centers were watching real-time video and talking by cell phone with those under attack. Surely that comprises “good intelligence.”…

Have our military’s best and brightest lost the capacity to improvise? Clearly, that merits an assessment. Will General Dempsey ask for a review of his own procedures? Do as I say, or as I do? The chairman of the joint chiefs is the only general who can answer that.

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It’s not unreasonable for President Obama, Clinton and others to have decided that the loss of four Americans to an attack by Islamist militants was preferable to expanding the fight and risking a larger, bloodier and more potentially embarrassing battle in Libyan rebel capital. It is not reasonable, though, to mislead the public about such a decision.

Asking that Americans die in the line of duty in service of a larger policy aim is nothing new. Saying that there was no choice when there were at least some options, crosses a line. Changing talking points to support a false account of events would cross yet another. Doing so eight weeks before an election would be really rotten.

Some Republicans remain focused on bringing the botch and alleged cover up to Obama’s feet. And like other second-term scandals, this one could further clip the wings of a lame duck in the White House. A charge of passivity in the face of an attack is especially difficult at a moment when the U.S. seems to be a bystander to a rapidly devolving security situation in the Middle East…

But Republicans playing the long game know that the real issue here isn’t the current Democrat in the White House but derailing the chances of the woman who wants to be the next one.

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“I believe that before it’s all over, this president will not fill out his full term,” Huckabee said. “I know that puts me on a limb, but this is not minor.”

“When a president lies to the American people and is part of a cover-up, he cannot continue to govern,” he added. “And as the facts come out, I think we’re going to see something startling. And before it’s over, I don’t think this president will finish his term unless somehow they can delay it in Congress past the next three and a half years.”

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One woman still looking for answers about the September 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, is Pat Smith. Her son Sean Smith, a State Department information officer, was one of four Americans killed during the attack.

“I blame her,” said Smith, referring to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

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Via Mediaite.

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as i’ve said before, i don’t particularly like the other morning shows, so this is my background noise as i prepare for the day…

Why do you think God made 80s Rock? LOL

will drop the mj postings…

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:36 AM

No! Don’t do that! I get a kick reading you about MJ. It goes well with my coffee.

You are definitely in my Cool Book.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM

+1

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM

CBS This Morning just teased their show. NO mention at all of the Hearings. Operation Protect Hillary has commenced.

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

bite your tongue….gotta know what the other side is saying (lying)…

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:22 AM

I agree 100%, cms. I was watching that segment too. F. Chuck Todd said “I suppose Gregory Hicks has some credibility, as a career State Department official . . .” They really couldn’t care less beyond how this will affect obama and hillary. I’ll be back later, I’m off to give them some “twitter hate”.

Naturally Curly on May 8, 2013 at 7:42 AM

+1
cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM

You don’t have to do that. We can marvel at your strength in enduring what the rest of us won’t dare endure.

bluegill on May 8, 2013 at 7:43 AM

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM

thanks KJ

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM

LOL a little quiet riot just might do the trick :)

thanks liam

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:43 AM

I mean you don’t have to stop with the postings.

bluegill on May 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM

i think we just got the WH talking point…there has already been a scathing review by the ARB, why continue with this

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:14 AM

The just had Jim Rosen from Fox News on local talk radio. He said exactly what you said. At State and within the administration the talking point is that these hearings are nothing but a partisan witchhunt because that ARB was the definitive investigation on this scandal.

Well, Sean Hannity had one of the few drone operators on his show Monday. He was never interviewed by the ARB. We still don’t know how Ambassador Stevens was killed. We don’t know why military assets were told to stand down. In short, hearings are necessary because Pickering and Mullen were decidedly uninterested in anything but internal procedures at State without really dealing with the cover-up at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Naturally Curly on May 8, 2013 at 7:42 AM

Go get’em NC!!

bluegill on May 8, 2013 at 7:43 AM

:)

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:45 AM

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Cool that you recall 80s Rock. I was so glad when the Disco years (all two of them) ended.

Hell, I recall when the Rolling Stones were new. I’m probably the only one of my generation who HATES the Beatles.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

CBS This Morning just teased their show. NO mention at all of the Hearings. Operation Protect Hillary has commenced.

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

It’s not all bad KJ. This ensures a troll free Wednesday, at least on certain threads. I’m sure they are all sitting in Mrs. Libfree’s basement playing x-box and watching old episodes of The West Wing while waiting for the all clear to sound from OFA.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

bluegill on May 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM

gotcha…

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM

cripe…sweeping under the rug

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Spot on again, KJ. Benghazi is every military member’s family’s worst nightmare. Could have saved them and didn’t. Those four were heroes who fought with raw courage-something the cesspool in DC will never get.
Let’s see…for QOTD…are we due for another ghey hero story? Or is today the day Barky does amnesty by EO?

indypat on May 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM

I happened to check on the clowns over at LGF this morning. Seems the line of defense for the special ops team being told to stand down is that they were only armed with 9mm side arms. Because we all know that it would have been impossible to arm a team of spec ops with the weapons needed to respond to the situation on the ground… Sheesh!!!

iceman1960 on May 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM

This whole sordid affair is going nowhere. Obama is so protected by government and the LSM he night as well be covered with grease.

He’s the new ‘Slick Willie’ maybe?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Hell, I recall when the Rolling Stones were new. I’m probably the only one of my generation who HATES the Beatles.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Well I’m not nearly as old as you. ;0

But I gotta say, I was a judge at the state History Day competition a couple weekends ago (think science fair for history). The theme this year was turning points in history- people, places, events.

One of the exhibits was “The Beatles.” And I couldn’t figure out how in the hell the Beatles were a turning point in history. They were not even indicitive of the counter culture revolution.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

heh

wow, that is rare

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:52 AM

will drop the mj postings…

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:36 AM

Oh No! Please continue your reporting! I Look forward to these posts, as I am unable to watch MJ.

esr1951 on May 8, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Ted Cruz weighs in.

esr1951 on May 8, 2013 at 7:54 AM

I happened to check on the clowns over at LGF this morning. Seems the line of defense for the special ops team being told to stand down is that they were only armed with 9mm side arms. Because we all know that it would have been impossible to arm a team of spec ops with the weapons needed to respond to the situation on the ground… Sheesh!!!

iceman1960 on May 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Bush…errr…Obama…went to sleep.

Good thing I’m not president. There would have been a swarm of F-16s out of Italy blowing Benghazi off the map, plus carrier jets killing more, and the entire Marine Corps going to get my/our ambassador and his people.

After he and they were safe, B-52s would have been turning those ‘rebels’ to dog food.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

+1

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:50 AM

good one…

iceman1960 on May 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM

esr1951 on May 8, 2013 at 7:52 AM

ok :)

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:56 AM

This whole sordid affair is going nowhere. Obama is so protected by government and the LSM he night as well be covered with grease.

He’s the new ‘Slick Willie’ maybe?

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:50 AM

I’m withholding judgement about where this might go until we find out what comes out of the hearings. The three whistleblowers are hardly lightweight witnesses. The media can’t discount their tesitimony as hearsay some administrator overheard in the locker room at the Foggy Bottom fitness center.

I tend to agree with you that it isn’t going anywhere because the media is too invested in portraying the rat-eared coward as an exceptional leader, loving father, and decent human being (all lies). But…. there comes a point when the media is going have to report the truth or look like the propagandists they are. If the hearings live up to what has been suggested by Issa, Graham, and others there is a slim chance that heads will roll.

I think it more likely that the rat-eared coward and Hillary have a fleet of busses lined up to take out various spear carriers who are blithely going about their day without realizing they are about to be roadkill.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:51 AM

While I’m not a huge fan of the Stones, they can still do music. Maybe it’s trash by now, but in the 80s the Stones were still ahead of the bunch in many ways.

I guess I’m a victim of hype and overplay. There are only two songs by the Beatles I actually like, and they’re great music by all standards. The rest — not so much.

Unless cmsinaz lets me croon to her, “I Wanna Hold Your Hand”. ;-)

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

I happen to have the link to that interview handy.

Naturally Curly on May 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Thank you Candy Crowley! ;0

Pretty unfreakin believable that this administration is still standing when the scandal and cover-up are so evident.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:57 AM

I’m too much a cynic to think anything good will come out of this. The ones I really mistrust are the Pubs. Often, it seems, they’re the ones giving Obama more of a pass than liberals in the LSM.

Liam on May 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Seems the line of defense for the special ops team being told to stand down is that they were only armed with 9mm side arms. Because we all know that it would have been impossible to arm a team of spec ops with the weapons needed to respond to the situation on the ground… Sheesh!!!

iceman1960 on May 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Yeah, if Spec Ops were not properly armed that leads to a whole different set of questions that are even more uncomforable to the administration whose leader spent months strutting around as if he personally lead SEAL Team Six and took the kill shot on OBL.

That strutting, BTW, is a big part of the reason Stevens and the other three Americans are dead.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 8:03 AM

It’s not unreasonable for President Obama, Clinton and others to have decided that the loss of four Americans to an attack by Islamist militants was preferable to…

losing the White House in November 2012. There. I said it.

Fallon on May 8, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Thanks Liam :)

Croon away

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 8:09 AM

….gotta know what the other side is saying (lying)…

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 7:22 AM

I stop by the QOTD in the morning to read KJ’s take and your recaps of the morning news. You guys are my morning treat.

Fallon on May 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Nobody wanted another Blackhawk Down scenario, and with Hillary in the mix, don’t think for a minute this wasn’t at the forefront of her thinking.

It was CYA politics all the time for Hillary AND Obama. They are both fearsomely, maliciously self- absorbed.

marybel on May 8, 2013 at 8:13 AM

If semen on a blue dress couldn’t sink Bill…….What’s a few dead bodies for Hillary?

Yawwwwwwwn

PappyD61 on May 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Yeah, if Spec Ops were not properly armed that leads to a whole different set of questions that are even more uncomfortable to the administration whose leader spent months strutting around as if he personally lead SEAL Team Six and took the kill shot on OBL.

That strutting, BTW, is a big part of the reason Stevens and the other three Americans are dead.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Yup, and deep down he knows it.

Fallon on May 8, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Psst … just got an alert email from Live Action …
they’ve released a new video, this time of Carhart himself.
Haven’t even watched it yet, but wanted to spread the word.

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Thanks Fallon

cmsinaz on May 8, 2013 at 8:22 AM

If semen on a blue dress couldn’t sink Bill…….What’s a few dead bodies for Hillary?

PappyD61 on May 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Libs never take their eyes off the prize.

Pappy, you got me thinking: Monica, a gay ambassador and Navy seals… What is it about the Clintons and homophones? Semen, See men, Seamen…

Fallon on May 8, 2013 at 8:26 AM

If Benghazi is handled correctly by our side we get the Senate back, increase numbers in the House and severely weaken Hillary.
We stll have no candidate for 2016 which could work to our advantage.
Republicans are so politically stupid/inept with no candidate we have an advantage. Now the left has to go after everyone that even looks good,gets far more expensive for them.

rodguy911 on May 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

I am afraid that nonplussed and the rest of the subterranean bridge dweller will be out today, doing their part in Operation Protect Hillary.

Thanks everyone for your support!

kingsjester on May 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Oh my … pass it on ….

http://www.liveaction.org/inhuman/investigation-4-nebraska/

pambi on May 8, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Once the first attack started, the EUCOM CIF/C110 was alerted, moved from Croatia to Sigonella [550 miles] ..and waited…and waited. According to Elizabeth Lee King, Pentagon legislative affairs in her letter to Issa…there was no reason to send them on to Benghazi [450 miles away] because the attack would have been over by the time they got there. King goes onto say, there were 7.5 hours total from the first attack to the end of the second attacks…

Begs lots of questions…

If the EUCOM Commanders “in extremis force” CIF/C110 cannot move 1000 miles, over clear water, in less than 4 hours then what is their utility?

And, who decided that there would not be enough time for them to get there [Benghazi] and be able to “do anything to help?”

Who assumed that the attack[s] would be over?

Who “evacuated” the rest of the consulate/facility from Benghazi Benina airport while the attacks were going on, or were they evac’d after the attacks were over? That airport is farther inland than the consulate, btw. Who ever had to go there [from Tripoli] had to pass over the consulate? Were there no naval assets/aircraft within reach? What of alert aircraft at Sigonella? Flight time to Benghazi [F-16, for example] 1 hour.

My take is clearly that somebody up the chain of command made a conscious decision to go through the motions, but not actually do anything to provide support/cover for the poeple on the ground until all was over. In EUCOM. In Washington. In Tripoli [previously documented] the force in Tripoli operated on their own…unofficially…remember that.

And some second lieutenant, some master sergeant, some GS-11 admin type does not make those decisions…ever.

The question is who made the decision to abandon Benghazi until all was over?

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I read somewhere that:

The Special Forces team was not prepared for a combat mission; they were on a fact-finding tour of US embassies in the Middle East, gathering information on security, and they were armed only with handguns.

I’m just some dumb civilian but my goodness, the local police in my small town are armed or have access to much more than that, and this is a Special Forces team we’re talking about. Remember the show of forces we saw in Boston? They had access to everything you could think of. Why would any of our forces overseas in volatile areas not have the same? This makes no sense at all and if it’s true, it’s just another aspect of this incident that’s utterly deplorable.

scalleywag on May 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM

scalleywag on May 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Doesn’t pass the smell test, does it?

The amount of confusion being spread by the Protect Hillary/Obama side is getting sickening.

A physical security inspection team [special forces or not] is not the same as a CIF…or C110. And, if they were indeed spec forces…and onbly had 9mm’s…they arte all well trained in the use and application of just about any military or civilian weapon out there…and they kbow how to improvise.

A hasndful of well-trained spec ops types, even with hand guns could have made an apprearance, enhanced their available weapons locally, and made a difference.

The more they try to spin this the more questions need to be answered.

There is a lot more than this.

The entire “a video made me do it” meme? Ben Rhodes, National Security Council’s idea? He wrote Obama Cairo speech, btw.

Keep hammering.

We cannot let any of this simply go away.

Inconvenient truth, indeed.

Keep hammering.

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Throw Cankels Clintoon into a 10 x 10 cell with the three Ohio Kidnapping Hispans and let them fight it out over the McDonalds bags twice daily, and anything else they may desire.
Keep an eye on the situation with the idea in mind of replacing the first man down with the Lyin kING even if the first man down is Hitlery!

ConcealedKerry on May 8, 2013 at 9:24 AM

We can marvel at your strength in enduring what the rest of us won’t dare endure.

blueball on May 8, 2013 at 7:43 AM

…we endure you!… so, everything else seems like gravey!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Keep hammering.

coldwarrior on May 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Stunning. Their audacity, their incompetence, their lies…it all makes Nixon look like a choir boy.

scalleywag on May 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM

If Benghazi is handled correctly by our side

we get the Senate back, increase numbers in the House and severely weaken Hillary.

Well there goes any chances of the rest of that pipe dream happening. I have no faith that the grandstanding grandstanders won’t just turn this into face time for themselves and ruin any chances at real cross examination or testimony.

ConcealedKerry on May 8, 2013 at 9:56 AM

only if Hillary and Susan Rice and others end up in prison, will I then again be “proud of America”.

So sad that we got 4 more years of zer0 because of the media’s complicity in this cover up.

kirkill on May 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM

If someone dropped me off to wander around the embassies of the Middle East to gather information on security wouldn’t I have gone to Benghazi, since there had been multiple requests for more security there? And I sure would have asked for more than a handgun for my own security. I’d want a bullet proof vest, vehicle, a SWAT team, whatever I could get. Mind boggling.

scalleywag on May 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The concept of not sending help because it was assumed that the attack would be over by the time the help arrived makes no sense what so ever. If the attack was known to have lethal potential, then the only time you don’t send help is when you know there is no possibility of improving the situation for those in danger. It would be similar to saying – “we are not going to look for the lost child because we assume she could be dead” No – you look as long as there is hope. You look until you know there isn’t any. You send help as long as you know there is still someone alive. After it is confirmed that everyone you wanted to help is already dead you still go. For payback.

Bourgeoisie on May 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Bourgeoisie on May 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Exactly. You go in case it happens again the next day. You go to help whoever survived. You go to reinforce. To see if you can find who is responsible. You find a way, and you get there. To tell the American people it was hopeless to send anyone is ridiculous. It’s despicable. That’s what our forces TRAIN to do, and are PREPARED to do.

scalleywag on May 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM

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