Benghazi whistleblower: U.S. special forces were told to stand down during attack

posted at 1:21 pm on May 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

The alleged source: Greg Hicks, the same State Department deputy whose jaw dropped when he heard Susan Rice equivocating about whether the consulate attack was pre-planned or not.

Who told SOCAFRICA they couldn’t go to Benghazi?

The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound “when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, ‘you can’t go now, you don’t have the authority to go now.’ And so they missed the flight … They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it.”…

“I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them,” Hicks testified. Two Americans died in the morning mortar attack.

More from Hicks via the Examiner:

“They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it,” Hicks added. “So, anyway, and yeah. I still remember Colonel Gibson, he said, ‘I have never been so embarrassed in my life that a State Department officer has bigger balls than somebody in the military.’ A nice compliment.”

He added that “at that time, the third attack, the mortar attack at 5:15, had not yet occurred, if I remember correctly.”…

Hicks is certain that the special forces team was needed. “We fully intended for those guys to go, because we had already essentially stripped ourselves of our security presence, or our security capability to the bare minimum,” he said in the interview.

No way to know if Gibson’s team would have made it to the scene in time to save Doherty and Woods from the attack on the annex if they had received the order to leave promptly, but that’s beside the point. The point, as Stephen Hayes notes, is that it was unclear at the time if the fighting was over, in which case there’s no obvious reason to have them stand down. On the contrary, if Hicks is right about a threadbare security presence at the consulate — and we know from many, many revelations last fall that he is — then the White House had every reason to err on the side of sending extra military assets. When asked why that didn’t happen, Hicks replied, “I guess they just didn’t have the right authority from the right level.” Any theories as to why that might be? Remember, when Martin Dempsey testified three months ago as to why U.S. troops weren’t sent to the scene, he said, “we never received a request for support from the State Department.” Hicks, who was Stevens’s deputy at State, obviously thought support was needed. Who intervened above him to make sure the request wasn’t sent?

Question: Are we to understand that it’s official Obama administration policy not to intervene in attacks on U.S. diplomats unless intelligence on the ground is perfect, or near perfect? I ask because last year Panetta attempted to wave away all these concerns about troops not being sent to the consulate during the fighting on grounds that “you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place.” That logic, as applied to the “bare minimum” security presence at Benghazi, suggests that the White House decided to leave whoever was left on the ground at the consulate to fend for themselves while waiting for “help” from Libyan security so that it didn’t have to take the political risk of another Mogadishu by sending American troops on a chaotic rescue mission. Is that what happened here? And is it uniform policy for diplomats in peril, or just ones who happen to come under attack two months before a presidential election?

Update: Any guesses as to whose fault it is that Benghazi hasn’t gotten better coverage until now? Hint: It’s not the media’s, and it’s certainly not the left’s. C’mon, you know who.


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Something about what happened in Benghazi stinks way beyond the usual smell of leftist ignorance and incompetence. As in, it almost looks deliberate.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Would you put that past this group of traitors?

VegasRick on May 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM

verbaluce on May 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM

I’m all for giving this administration the “benefit of the incompetent” so to speak, but there is a certain level of incompetence even that strains credulity.

People like you have been trying to pass this off as nothing for a long time now, and yet each new fact that comes out shows that the claims made by critics have been largely correct, starting with the observation that the administration knew the nature of the attack right away, and chose to release false information instead.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 6:08 PM

VegasRick on May 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM

NO I would not. And, neither would our Trolls. Look out for some Trollapalooza! Threads between now and Wednesday, designed solely to disrupt Conservative discussion on this subject.

kingsjester on May 6, 2013 at 6:09 PM

“Some one put forward on the radio this morning that the entire Benghazi attack was a staged setup to swap the blind shiek for Stevens and the two seals who intervened threw a wrench in Zero’s plan.”

Now that is a stretch…

Hillary said Obama’s Libyan Policy was ‘Lay Low’, which is why the Brigade was hired to protect stevens rather than have U.S. troops do so.
– WHY ‘Lay Low’?

He knew d@mn-well thr ebels he ordered our military to aid in the take-over of Libya was backed by the same Al Qaeda that perpetrated 9/11. He knew the Brigade was associated with Al Qaeda. I don’t thinkhe expected Al Qaeda to so quickly start setting up shop in Benghazi, opening up 10 new terrorist training camps. But 2 months prior to Stevens being killed, the Brigadetold them they could no longer protect him.

So WHY didn’t Obama / Hillary to arrange for some other protecting those last 2 months? Did the Brigade ‘quit’ before or after that 2nd terrorist attack on Stevens that left a 4 foot hole in the compound wall? If they had no security for Stevens, especially after he told them he would die during a 3rd attack without protection, why didn’t they order him & his staff out of Benghazi? Why KEEP him there, especially after the video of Al Qaeda’s top man urging the terrorists in Libya to perpetrate the attack in response to a top al Qaeda leader FROM Libya being killed a month or 2 earlier – which Intel/Obama/Hillary knew of?

Why no QRF on Alert? Why disarm the drone? Why order the QRF to stand down when they began getting ready? Who gave the order to stand down? Who relieved Ham of his duties that night?

(Presenting the document signed by Hillary rejecting Stevens’ request for additional security) Hillary, why did you declare under oath before Congress last time that you did not know Stevens had asked for additional security or that it had been denied?

WHO ordered the doctoring of all those CIA cables & Intel reports? How far up the chain did it go?

On the anniversary of 9/11 – while 20 Embassies across the middle east were under attack & while the 1st Ambassador in over 30 years to be assassinated was being killed & dragged through the street & for 12 (TWELVE) hours while Navy Seals fought for their lives & waited for help that would never come….WHERE THE H@LL WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, & THE SECT OF DEFENSE? (If you believe the CIA, they sent cables immediately to the W.H. War Room – where Obama watched UBL taken down – informing the President that the attack that had just gotten under way in Benghazi (which he would soon be watching via drone camera) was definitely a terrorist attack…and to the State Department where Hillary would have been if not in the War room with Obama & the sect of Defense. Instead, according to all 3 of THEM, they were simply ‘AWOL’ during thos 12+ hours & while 20 Embassies were under attack. (How comforting…)

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Vince Foster knows the Clinton scoop…oh wait.

trs on May 6, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Islam: Violence Emanates from its Core - “Progressives have a pathological need to ignore the differences in people.”

Mutnodjmet on May 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM

verbaluce on May 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It would be easy to classify this whole mess as nothing more than Watergate with a body count, but it goes well beyond that. It is the deliberate sacrifice of four Americans. And the way this administration has acted since day one of this whole thing makes it very easy to hatch all kinds of conspiracy theories about what actually happened. “Fringe”? I don’t think so.

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM

That logic, as applied to the “bare minimum” security presence at Benghazi, suggests that the White House decided to leave whoever was left on the ground at the consulate to fend for themselves while waiting for “help” from Libyan security so that it didn’t have to take the political risk of another Mogadishu by sending American troops on a chaotic rescue mission. Is that what happened here? And is it uniform policy for diplomats in peril, or just ones who happen to come under attack two months before a presidential election?

I think this is probably real close to the mark.

Which makes it just all the more pathetic.

Well, we got President PantLoad for 4 more years.

Mission Accomplished.

BigWyo on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

“I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them,” Hicks testified. Two Americans died in the morning mortar attack.”

Just caught this….during the attack in Benghazi, as mentioned, one of the SEALs WAS lasing the mortar pits! So where was the help that was SUPPOSED to have been there while he fought for his life for 12 hours?

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Something about what happened in Benghazi stinks way beyond the usual smell of leftist ignorance and incompetence. As in, it almost looks deliberate.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Would you put that past this group of traitors?

VegasRick on May 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled, and for what- to remake Iraq as a Shiite, satellite nation under the wing of Iran? Under rising levels of sectarian violence, Iraq is now poised to descend into a failed state where al Qaeda operates with relative freedom.

It just keeps getting better.

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/05/06/the_real_problem_in_iraq_is_the_stalemate_behind_the_current_surge_in_violence_ther

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Now me, all’s I need is blink to tell me how all this secret stuff is done and all, we peons got no knowing of this stuff.

All we are needed for is to keep the tip of the spear in someones gut when the elite shit wipes get a fear of their gold getting hijacked.

“blink”
where
are
you

!!

??

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 6, 2013 at 6:22 PM

hot air one way to avoid all the stuff your blog has in the way is to just post like this and that way we do not get kicked off by all the add ons. Burns up space and all that but, heck we are your customers/bait ect..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 6, 2013 at 6:25 PM

pambi

I found it interesting that the caller mentioned FOIA requests. I assume the tapes are most likely at least Secret, if not Top Secret or higher. I would also assume that the classified tape and or tapes would be archived according to their standard retention per each agency regulation based on classification. I would assume probably 2-5 years although the retention times have been significantly reduced since Obama took office.

When the alarm was given in the State Dept, it is safe to assume that each agency receiving the notification at that level would probably have had access to the live drone transmission including DOD, Intelligence Community, White House, and State Department Command Centers.

I would hope that House Select Committee has already reviewed all tapes and interviewed all individuals as may be needed for their investigation. There are many good people who know the truth to what went down on 9/11/12 and the public will witness history on Wednesday.

luckybogey on May 6, 2013 at 6:25 PM

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

We’re not talking about Iraq, you Trolling idiot. I hate it when I’m right. (See my earlier post.)

kingsjester on May 6, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Poor Brayam (-ing at the moon) and Nonpartisan…

bengazi is a political witchhunt by a congressman trying to make a name for himself

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

People need to grow up and stop assuming that there’s always a cover up or government incompetence involved.

bayam on May 1, 2013 at 5:16 PM

yeah, they were wrong about it being a youtube video that sparked it. ok, thats not a crime. we have more pressing issues to deal with.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

No one cares about Benghazi in the context of American ventures in that part of the world over the past decade.

Why doesn’t anyone on the right demand investigations that explore the failed war strategy in Iraq that’s ultimately descending into another era of chaos where terrorists thrive? Thousands of lives and trillions of dollars lost is suddenly less important than the death of a few Americans in Libya?

bayam on May 1, 2013 at 4:42 PM

what does that have to do with the witchhunt?

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Resist We Much on May 6, 2013 at 6:28 PM

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Look!!! Squirrel!!! DumbA$$!!!

BigWyo on May 6, 2013 at 6:29 PM

That logic, as applied to the “bare minimum” security presence at Benghazi, suggests that the White House decided to leave whoever was left on the ground at the consulate to fend for themselves while waiting for “help” from Libyan security so that it didn’t have to take the political risk of another Mogadishu by sending American troops on a chaotic rescue mission. Is that what happened here? And is it uniform policy for diplomats in peril, or just ones who happen to come under attack two months before a presidential election?

1. The Brigade was supposed to be Stevens’ defense, but we know they ‘quit’ 2 months prior to 9/11/12. Even if they hadn’t they were reportedly 2 hrs response time away & had failed once or twice before to successfully respond during the previous 2 terrorist attacks….prompting Stevens to beg for more security & warn he would die in a 3rd coordinated attack.

2) There was no ‘Libyan security’ other than the Brigade, who quit, or aid from Tripoli. Stevens had already reported Al Qaeeda flags flying over government buildings in Benghaz in…it was obvious from his reports EVERONE invloved knew he was ‘Custer’ minutes before the battle at ‘Little Big Horn’, again, which is why Stevens was begging for additional security & warning he would die in a 3rd coordinated attack.

3) There was no ‘logic’ in the security plan for defending Stevens. Only an insane ma, knowing about the massive al Qaeda presence in Benghazi, would think Stevens & his staff could stand any chance of defending themselves on their own!

4) ‘Mogo’ — There was a highly trained SpecOps QRF team that had been trained for this exact type of situation. These weren’t Army guys (no offense) flyingn in to extract a dead pilot/personnel. These guys are the best of the best trained to do THAT JOB. I would believe, however, that Obama not knowing the difference between a canteen and a hole in the ‘head’ did not know this & may have been thinking the same way, ab out avoiding another ‘Mogo’.

5) …only ones severalmonths out from re-election’: As I said, I believe to perpetuate the LIE about no Al Qaeda threat, no war on terror, etc, & after the Ft Hood being labeled a case of ‘workplace violence’ to protect his record against terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, everyone had to die in Benghazi – the SEALs/Stevens, no one could be allowed in to see & dispute their claim that it was a ‘demonstration’ over a video, & the rest of the survivors would be ‘controlled’…

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled, and for what- to remake Iraq as a Shiite, satellite nation under the wing of Iran? Under rising levels of sectarian violence, Iraq is now poised to descend into a failed state where al Qaeda operates with relative freedom.

It just keeps getting better.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Per the NYT:

‘All American forces were to leave Iraq by the end of 2011, the departure date set in an agreement signed by President George W. Bush and Mr. Maliki in 2008. Even so, Mr. Obama left the door open to KEEPING TROOPS IN IRAQ to train Iraqi forces if an agreement could be negotiated.

Convening a videoconference on Oct. 6, 2010, Mr. Biden and top American officials reviewed the options. The vice president favored a plan that would keep Mr. Maliki as prime minister, but which involved installing his main rival, Mr. Allawi, leader of the Iraqiya bloc, near the top of the pyramid. To make way for Mr. Allawi, Mr. Biden suggested that Mr. Talabani, an ethnic Kurd, be shifted from the presidency and given another position. “Let’s make him foreign minister,” Mr. Biden said, according to the notes of the meeting.

“Thanks a lot, Joe,” Mrs. Clinton said, noting that Mr. Biden had cast the Foreign Ministry as a consolation prize.

Mr. Biden also predicted that the Americans could work out a deal with a government led by Mr. Maliki. “Maliki wants us to stick around because he does not see a future in Iraq otherwise,” Mr. Biden said. “I’LL BET YOU MY VICE-PRESIDENCY MALIKI WILL EXTEND THE SOFA,” he added, he added, referring to the Status of Forces Agreement the Obama administration hoped to negotiate.

James B. Steinberg, the deputy secretary of state, questioned whether Mr. Biden’s plan would make the already inefficient Iraqi government more dysfunctional.

Admiral Mullen sent a classified letter to Mr. Donilon that recommended keeping 16,000 troops.

The attempt by Mr. Obama and his senior aides to fashion an extraordinary power-sharing arrangement between Mr. Maliki and Mr. Allawi never materialized. NEITHER DID AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE KEPT A SMALL AMERICAN FORCE IN IRAQ TO TRAIN THE IRAQI MILITARY AND PATROL THE COUNTRY’S SKIES.

A plan to use American civilians to train the Iraqi police has been severely cut back. The result is an Iraq that is less stable domestically and less reliable internationally than the United States had envisioned.

In the end, Biden’s plan was rebuffed by the Iraqis and the SOFA was not extended.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2013 at 6:34 PM

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Chicago Jesus told me that we were leaving behind a “sovereign, stable, and self-reliant” Iraq, so you should really take it up with him.

Anyway, try to stay on topic.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 6:34 PM

…why is anyone even acknowledging the troll & his mark about Iraq? He has already ‘ won’ by anyone doing so & changing the conversation…..

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM

How did you do on the last run of hell week?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS

I was wondering when “Blink” would show up.

“Blink” has already determined that AVI did not have any birds on alert status with sniper pods. The AVI F-16 pilots know very well that they can perform their Libyan mission at any time and be back for dinner eating pizza in Pordenone for the evening.

“Blink” is away currently investigating if NAS Sig or Crete have any refueling capability. “Blink” could be Lt. Col. Keith Phillips.

luckybogey on May 6, 2013 at 6:41 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Who are you talking to? :|

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM

“you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place.”

This is not a military or tactical decision. This is a POLITICAL decision.

GarandFan on May 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq.
bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Hey….look over there!!!

Joe you’re a trip.

CW on May 6, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I have been led to believe that there were no 6th Fleet assets in the area on 9/11/12. It’s a damned shame, too, because a CTF maintains at least one alert 5 and one alert 10 on deck at all times. Well, we did back in the 70′s, and I’m going to assume that that part of 6th Fleet doctrine HASN’T changed.

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 6:47 PM

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I think he’s talking to blink.

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Are you going to make definitive claims about what could have been launched from Sig or Souda?

blink on May 6, 2013 at 6:49 PM

What kind of assets does Souda normally have at its disposal? Just curious…haven’t been there since ’78.

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 6:52 PM

If Mr. Hicks is right, is this an impeachable offense?

kingsjester on May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

High Crimes:

A high crime is one that can only be done by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice.

ProfShadow on May 6, 2013 at 6:53 PM

This is not a military or tactical decision. This is a POLITICAL decision.
GarandFan on May 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Amen.
At the very least, we have troops specifically trained to get there TO FIGURE OUT what’s going on! None of them care about the dangers, they know their jobs.

pambi on May 6, 2013 at 6:53 PM

No way to know if Gibson’s team would have made it to the scene in time to save Doherty and Woods from the attack on the annex if they had received the order to leave promptly, but that’s beside the point.

“We didn’t go in because those buildings would have come down before we could get people out, and all 15,000 would have died anyway” – NYPD, FDNY

RadClown on May 6, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Let’s not talk about Benghazi. Let’s talk about Iraq instead….

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Edited for clarity.

farsighted on May 6, 2013 at 6:55 PM

RadClown on May 6, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Basically what I was thinking, when I posted, above.

pambi on May 6, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq Afganistan. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled, and for what- to remake Iraq Afganistan as a Shiite, satellite nation under the wing of Iran the Pakistan Taliban? Under rising levels of sectarian ethnic and tribal violence, Iraq Afganistan is now poised to descend into a failed state where al Qaeda operates with relative freedom.

It just keeps getting better.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Just wondering how well Comrade O’s national building project fits the narrative.

Looks almost identical. With Syria soon to become a new intervention project.

farsighted on May 6, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Think about this: Hillary wanted the Democratic slot for the election and campaigned against Obama and then dropped out and rumor has it that her daughter was threatened if she didn’t. She ends up with Sec. ST. and now has the parties push for 2016. 130 is the body count from Arkansas to the Clinton White House so this is serious business and the Clintons realize this but does the public realize this?

mixplix on May 6, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Question concerning Brayam and Obama….does Brayam swallow?

CW on May 6, 2013 at 7:06 PM

This story is so infuriating. Those disgusting cowards leaving the brave to die like that.

ktrich on May 6, 2013 at 7:06 PM

So it is Obama’s policy to never engage in a potential battle unless he has ironclad intelligence of what is going on the ground.

This explains why Chicago is the murder capital of America.

William Eaton on May 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM

William Eaton on May 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM

correction above…capital = capitol

Of course there is a lot of murder “capital” in Chicago….:)

It is a democrat run operation, just like our current Federal Government so none of this should surprise any of us.

William Eaton on May 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Update: Any guesses as to whose fault it is that Benghazi hasn’t gotten better coverage until now? Hint: It’s not the media’s, and it’s certainly not the left’s. C’mon, you know who.

In the Fast and Furious scandal, analogous in many ways to Benghazi in the way it played out in the media, there was real wrongdoing, but conservatives grasped at straws to make wider, unsubstantiated allegations that let the actual problems largely escape notice.

If the three new witnesses don’t get the attention they deserve, Fox News and its ilk deserve much of the blame.

Something’s gone wrong with me. They look so dumb I can’t find it in me to correct them anymore. Alex Seitz-Wald is Rosie O’Donnell is JPL test-monkey #3. More “Faux News” crap? Really? Still? Forever? Is that actually still cool anywhere? Are they so hard-up in Manhattan for something to sink a fang into, they still chortle at this cold, tired tripe? (present company excluded)

Axe on May 6, 2013 at 7:12 PM

None of the big 3 reported a peep about this

They touted Obama’s hole in one…the big report tonight

And everything is wonderful in the USA…the usual stuff…praise to Obama

Redford on May 6, 2013 at 7:16 PM

We need a poll on who gets thrown under the bus this time…

rightConcept on May 6, 2013 at 7:23 PM

It is shameful and damning (the lack of coverage), but I know Fox at least will continue hammering it, as they should, and it will continue to drive libs absolutely insane.

The day I hear libs stop complaining about Fox is the day I stop watching.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Redford on May 6, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Sen. Chambliss got the ace.
Zero lost the round.

http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-concedes-defeat-monday-golf-match_720949.html

pambi on May 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled, and for what- to remake Iraq as a Shiite, satellite nation under the wing of Iran? Under rising levels of sectarian violence, Iraq is now poised to descend into a failed state where al Qaeda operates with relative freedom.

It just keeps getting better.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

None of that has anything to do with Benghazi.

Chuck Schick on May 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

There is more desperate tone to your posts now.

It’s no longer a “not possible”, but a “not as big”.

I could talk about the moral cowardice on the admistration’s part.

Instead we’ll just think about yours.

itsspideyman on May 6, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Calm down everyone, resident moron Meteor Blades over at DailyKos has this all figured out. Nothing to see here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/06/1207319/-Benghazi-again-again-again-Republicans-running-new-hearing-on-Wednesday

(and makes an asinine comment

Not as well armed as the average teenager who showed up at the National Rifle Association convention in Houston over the weekend.

what a J.O.

lostinjrz on May 6, 2013 at 7:33 PM

“blink”

On every Benghazi thread, you have questioned again and again some very good folks on HA that I respect and are very knowledgeable on the subject matter. With all due respect, you don’t know what in the hell you are talking about!

I spent a good part of my life living in those alert hangars at AVI and have 1st hand experience on response capability and the time required for changing pods for specific mission configurations.

As far as Diplomatic clearance for entering Libyan airspace, yes if needed, clearances would have been obtained immediately upon request from the Libyan government.

I would suggest that you update your education on long-range target detection/identification, continuous stabilized surveillance systems, including close air support of ground forces while keeping aircrews out of threat ranges.

I cannot comment on current Sig or Souda forces for emergency or alert tactical air resources. I can confirm that the F-16 has ability to land and refuel at NAS Sig or Souda in an emergency if tanker support is not immediatelly available.

When the alarm goes off, we are trained to come to the defense of our fellow military members. We don’t ask if the mission is difficult and we don’t leave our people behind.

luckybogey on May 6, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Section 2. Clause 1. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Office, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

O_O

Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2013 at 7:55 PM

This was basically corroborated months ago by Panetta when he said that you do not send in forces without knowing whats going on.

can_con on May 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s U.S. military doctrine for spontaneous video protests. Never know when the disappointed crowd will call for mortar support.

Barnestormer on May 6, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Somebody call Bill Clinton with the news he never heard during his entire marriage to Ms. Rodham:

Hillary is going down.

And Benghazi’s why.

profitsbeard on May 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM

What kind of assets does Souda normally have at its disposal?

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 6:52 PM

On ready alert status, or just based in Souda?

blink on May 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM

moose really wanted to know how many paper airplanes, the number of balsalm wood gliders on alert and especially the frequency of the remote control whirlybirds based there.

Why are you so obtuse? Did you not surmise given the context of the topic that we are discussing alert birds. Of course you did but you chose to be coy thinking you are so much our betters. You fool no one on HA. So you can quit now.

D-fusit on May 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I hate to sound defeatist, but what are the actual consequences going to be? Not even political consequences. Nothing. Bob Scheiffer mentioned it, but that’s all you’ll see. No wall-to-wall coverage of a “scandal,” no demands for more hearings, nothing.

Most of this information was available before the election if the press was willing to dig 3 inches below the surface. Instead, America watched Candy Crawley call Romney a liar. It was the zing heard ’round the world, and completely erased his gains from the first debate. We now have 4 more years of Obama, so again, I say this “hoping” for a scandal to bring down this administration is completely pointless.

Additionally- the story goes even further, and much deeper. Benghazi was likely the end to US arms dealing to rebels in Syria from Libya, brokered by a US ambassador. That’s huge. Again, could have been easily exposed before the election, but the press chose not to. Fast and Furious did not bring down the Obama administration, nor did 100 other items, each of which individually would have ruined a Republican admin.

Stop thinking this is going to matter. Sorry.

astronmr20 on May 6, 2013 at 8:04 PM

And certain alert profiles are 60 minutes, so what’s your point.

D-fusit on May 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM

it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

I love it when you Low-IQ Democrats desperately throw out this meme. You cannot credibly defend the incompetence of the current Administration in this matter, so you instantly cry “Bush!” And what the getalife is with your use of the word “impress”? Simply hilarious.

But don’t forget that Hillary, as the least-qualified Junior US Senator from New York in history, signed off on that Iraq War based not on what Bush’s intel people told her, but what her husband’s intel people told her. And remember, they had already tied Iraq to bin Laden in 1998, and also that year assured us that Iraq had WMDs.

And there was no coverup in the start of that war, like there was in this act of war against the US on the 11th Anniversary of the first 9/11.

By the way, more members of the US Military died in peacetime during the 8 years (Democrat) Bill Clinton was pResident than have been KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. And yet you never condemned that, or expressed sympathy for their sacrifices. And remember, all of them were, and still are, volunteers.

You were much funnier at Captain’s Quarters. Oh, wait, no you weren’t.

Z-
And

Del Dolemonte on May 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Won’t matter. President Obama announced an immigration “prosecutorial discretion” amnesty of laws on the books on the eve of a national election, and nobody did anything. He invented a claim of “executive privilege” overnight after years of stonewalling regarding Fast and Furious, and nobody did anything. He is utterly lawless, and his cult will defend him over anything. He could kick a puppy in the face while smoking a joint made out of the original copy of the Constitution and they would line up to protect him. Benghazi will amount to nothing, and in practical terms it already has.

JeremiahJohnson on May 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Absolutely. Unfortunately, this is going nowhere. It could come to light that the president uttered “eff ‘em” when asked for help in Benghazi, and it would be pointless- the press simply won’t care. They are circling the wagons for Hillary 2016.

astronmr20 on May 6, 2013 at 8:09 PM

One was an authorized bipartisan overseas intervention, the other was an authorized secret operation, that empowered AQ affiliates.

narciso on May 6, 2013 at 8:10 PM

‘I can’t imagine anyone with any heart that would watch a battle rage for seven hours knowing that heroes were there that were going to be slaughtered if you didn’t have help sent in. Because we know that C130s could have been sent there in less than an hour, jets could have been scrambled in minutes from many different parts of the globe. The order was ‘don’t help, them let them die.”

- Charles Woods, the father of murdered Benghazi SEAL Tyrone Woods

Resist We Much on May 6, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Today, I listened to a caller telling Hannity that his drone was assigned to watch the Benghazi embassy BECAUSE there had been threats of attacks against it.
They were dispached, unarmed, and filmed the destruction.
Who’s going to convince me that ‘alert birds’ were NOT also ready ?
If they were not, it’s just one more dereliction of duty by this admin.

pambi on May 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM

As pointed out, the attack lasted 12 hours, & it is a fact a rescue of the 2 SEALs would have been more than possible…had the order to ‘Stand Down’ not been given. Again, however, that order is just one piece of the entire disgusting Benghazi cluster FARC ….

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM

It amazes me that the entire federal government including the DoD, DoS and CIA responsible for some of the biggest hotspots on the planet on the anniversary of 9/11 yet no one was on heighten security status and able to respond to any emergency situation. Weird isn’t it?

D-fusit on May 6, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I’m convinced now more than ever that blink works for this administration.

D-fusit on May 6, 2013 at 8:38 PM

First thing that always comes to mind: What if Obama were a Republican? Would there not already be a special prosecutor? Select investigative committees? Articles of Impeachment?

MPan on May 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I’m convinced now more than ever that blink works for this administration.

D-fusit on May 6, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Yeah I’m late to this game but he’s making it so technical that you would believe the U.S. Military can’t so much as launch a plane without 36 hours notice.

Bishop on May 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq. Thousands of Americans KIA, tens of thousands more severely wounded and crippled, and for what- to remake Iraq as a Shiite, satellite nation under the wing of Iran? Under rising levels of sectarian violence, Iraq is now poised to descend into a failed state where al Qaeda operates with relative freedom.

It just keeps getting better.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

So, just to be clear, your argument boils down to “this was fine because someone else was worse”? Is it fine for someone to kick a puppy just because Michael Vick ran dog fights? Is rape ok just because someone else killed his victim afterwards? Does the high rate of gun violence in Chicago give me the right to wound someone with a knife?

Most people learn at some point that right and wrong are based on the actions of the individual, not the collective. That just because I did something wrong, that does not give you the right to. That you have not learned that yet saddens me greatly. I am sorry for you. I really am.

ninja duck on May 6, 2013 at 8:50 PM

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

First, remove your lips from Obama’s a$$, and second, go f*ck yourself, you worthless piece of sh1t.

Midas on May 6, 2013 at 8:54 PM

It should be asked why the aircraft onstation was not armed. Was a commander being risk averse about it, or were weapons loads too operationally constraining (was extra surveillance considered more important than arming the UAV, was the UAV even capable of carrying weapons, did the UAV base even have weapons, etc.)?

blink on May 6, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Translation: “SQUIRREL!”

Midas on May 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Somebody call Bill Clinton with the news he never heard during his entire marriage to Ms. Rodham:

Hillary is going down.

And Benghazi’s why.

profitsbeard on May 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I’ll believe it when I see it, and not until.

Midas on May 6, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Call me paranoid, but my spidey sense tells me Valerie Jarrett played a major role in this decision. Bambi is way too beta not to have consulted her with all those scary bombs and things going off.

grits on May 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Regardless, alert UAVs can still take an very long time to get onstation. They don’t exceed speeds much behind 100 knots.

blink on May 6, 2013 at 8:29 PM

LOL WUT?

Walter Sobchak on May 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Something about what happened in Benghazi stinks way beyond the usual smell of leftist ignorance and incompetence. As in, it almost looks deliberate.

rightmind on May 6, 2013 at 5:55 PM

What makes you think that? Fact that a Turkish emissary just left the compound after agreement with Stevens to send the ship (via Turkey) to the Al Qaeda operatives in Syria? Tying up all the loose ends in the deal, Stevens included? Or the very convenient way fro this admin to get rid of 2 brave Navy SEALs as well, same way a copter full of SEALs who eliminated OBL, just was “luckily” hit by a stray shot?

One “convenience”, well, crap happens. When it is a string of “lucky conveniences” for both this admin and msuslims, time after time, they quickly go from “question marks” to a nicely developed plan.

Stop saying “incompetence” when it applies to liberals, they are VERY COMPETENT when it comes to utter destruction of this once great country. The sooner we start calling them what they are the sooner we can recover.

riddick on May 6, 2013 at 9:07 PM

If Nixon was impeached over Watergate, Obama should be impeached over Benghazi. Not to mention Fast and Furious (and other such abuses of power).

petefrt on May 6, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Forgive … this is just a test.
Can’ t post on a diff thread.
This is weird.

pambi on May 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Unreal: On Hannity, Issa says the Obama regime now says that for classified reasons, we had to lie about Bengahzi.

Does it get any more Orwellian than this?

petefrt on May 6, 2013 at 9:23 PM

yeah, they were wrong about it being a youtube video that sparked it. ok, thats not a crime. we have more pressing issues to deal with.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

You’re quite the a$$hole aren’t you? And a dumb one at that.

Of course it’s criminal. It is conceivably an impeachable offense.In the United States, impeachment can occur both at the federal and state level and the Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to “The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States” who may be impeached and removed only for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”. High crimes are whatever the House deems them to be.

DevilsPrinciple on May 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM

This may well be the defining week for the Obama presidency.

At last. Finally, at long last.

Extra popcorn in popper.

petefrt on May 6, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Bunk, the military has aircraft on alert all the time for various reasons at various locations. And if this administration didn’t have assets on alert on the anniversary of 9/11, especially with as much Intel regarding threats having been made for that day, either the Obama administration was working with the terrorists or the stupidest people to run the nation.

As discussed, why was the drone ordered NOT to carry munitions that day? Why were the Marines guarding the Embassy in Cairo ordered NOT to carry live ammo that day? There are to many things that can’t be accounted for by sheer stupidity – even for Obama!

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Perhaps but it fails to impress in comparison to Iraq.

bayam on May 6, 2013 at 6:19 PM

That’s some mighty desperate spinning. All you can do is try to change the subject to Iraq. That would be the same Iraq that Obama criticized before becoming president, then continued after he became president. And then completely failed to arrange a status of forces agreement. That the House and Senate voted for, including many members of the Democratic party, and then turned around and cried crocodile tears about being “tricked.”

It’s a boring argument and frankly, a lame tactic. Benghazi was not a war. It was terrorism, and your attempt to distract with Iraq is just as pathetic as Obama’s attempt to distract from his failures by talking about someone who made an ugly video.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 6, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Fixed. Thanks.

blink on May 6, 2013 at 9:27 PM

It’s not quite fixed yet. You might want to look up the cruise speed of just about every UAV built since the MQ1-B.

Walter Sobchak on May 6, 2013 at 9:36 PM

The Sect of Defense (Panetta) used that “the military is not a 9-1-1 response service’ BS when he was 1st asked why no response forces were scrambled. It is just as much BS now as it was then & still doesn’t answer near enough questions. It is a ‘one-liner’ designed to satisfy the pro-Obama press looking for any reason to excuse Obama for this lie/cover-up!

easyt65 on May 6, 2013 at 9:41 PM

US military aircraft usually can launch within their alert timeframe. Remember that alerts are incredibly expensive to establish and maintain since precious aircraft and crews are taken off-line (no operations, no training, no maintenance, etc.). 24×7 alerts are obviously even more expensive.

That being said, our military is so stretched that assets often take quite some time to make available without prior planning. Additionally, anytime support assets are needed to be coordinated an entire level of complexity is added.

I’m sorry that you’re learning that today’s military isn’t capable of being a 9-1-1 service throughout the entire world.

blink on May 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Um, sorry, fail. I remember the big incident in the 80s when we thought the Soviets were flying over with bombers, and we had our alert fighters taxiing the runway in THREE MINUTES.

fossten on May 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM

“The United States military, is not and, frankly, should not be a 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world,” Panetta said in his opening statement.

today’s military isn’t capable of being a 9-1-1 service throughout the entire world.
blink on May 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Leon? Is that you?

lynncgb on May 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

blink on May 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Both, actually. If you have that info handy.

Moose Drool on May 6, 2013 at 10:04 PM

This cover-up is an impeachable offense. In a just world — and an America with a free and independent press — Obama would be disgraced and Hillary’s career, such as it is, would be over.

But nothing of the sort will occur.

Jaibones on May 6, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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