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posted at 10:41 pm on May 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

An exhaustive study by the Heritage Foundation has found that after amnesty, current unlawful immigrants would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits and services and pay more than $3 trillion in taxes over their lifetimes. That leaves a net fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) of $6.3 trillion. That deficit would have to be financed by increasing the government debt or raising taxes on U.S. citizens…

Already, illegal immigrants impose costs on police, hospitals, schools and other services. Putting them on a path to citizenship means that within a few years, they will qualify for the full panoply of government programs: more than 80 means-tested welfare programs, as well as Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare. The lifetime fiscal cost (benefits received minus taxes paid) for the average unlawful immigrant after amnesty would be around $590,000. Who is going to pay that tab?…

Our cost estimates are in some ways very conservative: The $6.3 trillion figure does not factor in the waves of unlawful immigrants who could pour into this country hoping for another future amnesty. As scholars at the Heritage Foundation and elsewhere have explained, the comprehensive immigration bill being considered in the Senate differs little from previous empty promises to secure our borders and enforce immigration laws on the books. When amnesty was granted under a similar plan in 1986, there were about 3 million unlawful immigrants; now we have more than 11 million.

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“I believe that this cost estimate of $6.3 trillion is in fact a very, very low estimate. It assumes that there are only 11.5 million illegal immigrants in the United States, I believe the actual number is considerably higher than that,” Rector, the lead author of the Heritage report on the cost of mass legalization, said during a press conference.

“It also assumes there will be no cheating, in terms of people applying for and receiving amnesty, who do not in fact deserve it,” he added. “In the 1986 amnesty, probably 25 percent of the people who received amnesty were in fact not eligible.”

Rector added that the report also has virtually no “constant dollar growth” in welfare and medical benefits for the next 50 years, and that is “almost certainly an underestimate.”

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The key flaw in Heritage’s 2007 study is its use of static fiscal scoring, rather than dynamic fiscal scoring, to evaluate that year’s immigration reform bill. “Scoring” a bill means predicting its impact on the U.S. budget in the future by estimating how it will affect future spending and tax revenue. A statically scored prediction assumes the bill will not affect the rest of the economy – which is highly unrealistic.

A dynamically scored prediction, on the other hand, assumes that the bill will affect the rest of the economy, also changing tax revenue and government spending. Since increased immigration will increase the size of the economy, it will also increase tax revenue and some government spending. It’s important to factor those increases into any scoring model. Heritage’s 2007 study did not…

A common retort to the above is that many new immigrants will be low-skilled and, because of our progressive tax system, will not pay much in taxes. Expanding the supply of laborers and entrepreneurs through immigration would increase profits, expand the production possibilities frontier, increase the return to capital, and raise incomes for most American workers who are complements. Thus, even if most future immigrants are low-skilled—and they likely will be—their positive effect on the economy would increase tax revenues indirectly.

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Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a conservative economist who once helmed the Congressional Budget Office, has estimated that the Senate’s immigration reform measure would cut the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion over the next decade alone, for example…

Critics of the 2013 study say that the 50-year horizon for calculating costs is designed to induce a level of sticker shock for Republican politicians. Looking at the bill over the standard 10-year window would show the bill actually reduces the fiscal drag from the undocumented by more than $130 billion, because those being legalized are forbidden from accessing many government support programs as they progress toward US citizenship.

“This study is designed to try to scare conservative Republicans into thinking the cost here is going to be so gigantic that you can’t possibly be for it,” said Haley Barbour, a former Republican governor of Mississippi now working with the Bipartisan Policy Center on its immigration reform efforts…

Moreover, conservatives cringe at the Heritage report’s assertion that “many conservatives believe that if an individual has a job and works hard, he will inevitably be a net tax contributor (paying more in taxes than he takes in benefits). In our society, this has not been true for a very long time.”

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For all the criticism of the report, however, I think it does one important thing by making an attempt to measure the cost of the legislation over time. Under the current design of the Gang of Eight Senate proposal, immigrants currently here illegally could become legalized after certain near-term conditions are met, but they can’t become citizens for at least 13 years, at which point they’d start becoming eligible for government benefits. The problem is the Congressional Budget Office only measures the fiscal impact of legislation over a 10-year budget window. Any estimate from the CBO, therefore, won’t be able to take into account a spike in the cost of government programs such as Medicaid or Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges as a result of newly-naturalized immigrants claiming benefits.

So, whether or not one agrees with the methodology of this Heritage study, to be useful, any analysis of the impact of immigration legislation should try to estimate costs as new citizens become eligible for government benefits. Costs in year 13 are still costs, even if they don’t show up in CBO’s projections.

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Last month, Rubio’s office put out a press release stating: “FACT: If the proposed immigration bill does pass, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who do not qualify for temporary legal status will be subject to deportation. The legislation also provides for enhanced punishment as well as increased funding for deportation of future illegal immigrants. … Even for illegal immigrants who attain temporary status, that temporary status can be revoked if they commit a serious crime or if they fail to comply with the employment requirement, the public charge requirement (which goes hand-in-hand with the employment requirement), their tax obligations and their physical presence obligations. They will then be subject to deportation.”…

The “public charge” requirement stipulates no immigrant can obtain a green card unless they can verify that they are earning at least 25 percent above the poverty level. But as today’s Heritage Foundation study points out, more than one-third of unlawful immigrant households have incomes below the federal poverty level. That is about 4 million people.

Does Rubio really expect conservatives to believe that the Obama (or Clinton) administration will round up 4 million immigrants and deport them just because they are poor?

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Senators and their immigration reform allies insist the goal of 70-plus votes laid out last month by Gang of Eight leaders Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) is more than just attainable under the right circumstances — it’s imperative. The legislative strategy for passing a bill is based largely on the theory that an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote in the Senate is essential to getting it through the Republican-controlled House…

“The key is Rubio,” said Aguilar, executive director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles. “Without Rubio, this bill would not get anywhere with Republicans. He gives them the cover.”

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Via Mediaite.

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Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Wow. This is a job for Magic * Ball and the Spark IV Numerical Carbunkulator.

SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Calling it a night! Good night HotAir!

KCB on May 7, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Night Ken.

‘Niters, Pookie, Pooks, and Pookettes!

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Night Sophie. :)

You smiled when they told you that I work so hard that I tire myself out? Seriously, after I said that Saturdays were no different than Tuesdays?

Only because you love doing it. :)

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:17 AM

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Evening muchachos y muchichees. Just wondering. I looked on you tube to figure out a song to play and saw Beyoncee aka Tamika, on the front “watch this.” Is she a albino with the blonde hair, the hairstylist put too much solution in the juice, or Cuba was too much for the girl?

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

NewCastle brown and a zack fan too?

Lets shack up. ;)

I love brown ale.

All kidding aside, you. are a happy face here.

Always brighten my night. Don’t think for a minute you don’t make us smile.

Bummer is, I can’t hang out. I gotta get up for work.

So,, thank you.

wolly4321 on May 7, 2013 at 1:19 AM

wolly4321 on May 7, 2013 at 1:19 AM

God Bless you wolly! Sweet dreams! You too, always make me smile :)

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Well Vinnie, (he goes by Vinnie now) who works in the back of the Food Truck Thread Truck can help us. He was a former Rock Star and has a large brain. Plus we might be able to trick Schad’s brain into helping us too. )

SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Timothy Leary.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Timothy Leary’s dead….no, no, no, no – he’s outside, looking…..

…No, wait – he’s actually dead……..

williamg on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Is she a albino with the blonde hair, the hairstylist put too much solution in the juice, or Cuba was too much for the girl?

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Maybe that is how her pimp husband likes her :)

burrata on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Good evening/morning Arnie!!

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:22 AM

@Scrumpy – The Tree Above — The Tree Below, Timothy Leary. Looked up the name of the poem for you. :)

But I don’t recognize the second.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:22 AM

williamg on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

He is? Oh noes! I had seen somthing of his and well ‘stole’ a few lines…

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Thanks! Yeah it was a while back and it just fit…

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:23 AM

williamg on May 7, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Good night williamg, God Bless!! Enjoy Wapner! Sweet dreams :-)

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:24 AM

you gonna have to use a time warp machine… and night vision goggles and lasers…

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Error.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM

PREHISTORIC ORIGINS OF DNA by Leary was the other one!
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/books/ecstaticp.htm

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Trying to occupy Sparkys mind onto somthing else ;)

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Trying to occupy Sparkys mind onto somthing else ;)

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Booty works! (:

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Hi Ziff.

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It is late!!

Good Night Axe, Sparky and who else is here lurking :-)

God Bless!!

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:31 AM

SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 1:30 AM

I know ;-D

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:32 AM

I’m out. Night guys. I’m going to go work, and then — whatever comes next.

SO AMAZING!

Later.

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:33 AM

I know ;-D

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 1:32 AM

2nd also Timothy Leary. :) “Prehistoric Origins of DNA.”

Alright; Later again. :)

Axe on May 7, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Hi Ziff.

SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Hello Mr. Sparky. Hope things are fine with you.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Maybe that is how her pimp husband likes her :)

burrata on May 7, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Let’s just hope she don’t wind up like Whitney, Bobby Brown took me down did.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Home, let me go home, home is wherever I am with you.

tom daschle concerned on May 7, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Hope things are fine with you.

arnold ziffel on May 7, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I needed a certain infamous pig to correct my use of chakras.

John the Libertarian on May 7, 2013 at 2:43 AM

…lurked…

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Was lurking too……….;-)

angrymike on May 7, 2013 at 4:46 AM

Fallen — Lauren Wood

John the Libertarian on May 7, 2013 at 4:49 AM

Was lurking too……….;-)

angrymike on May 7, 2013 at 4:46 AM

Holy crap! Where you been Mike?
Awesome to see your handle.

Like old times..hello’s in the middle of the night..or early am.
Hope your well!

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 5:20 AM

Mike..had to change my email.
Bmore has it…get it from him.
Miss ya!

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 5:21 AM

It’s shocking. I have never seen a political party commit suicide as fast as these Republicans as of late.

What kind of polling are they seeing that persuades them go so far to the left?

portlandon on May 6, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Why would anyone rational ever assume they were on the right?
Think clearly: co-rulers!

Don L on May 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM

Yeah……you pretty much nailed me —- waaall, except for the “OMG” part…I Never say that…. also, I try to remember to put the apostrophe in “You’re”………

I’m honored and humbled…

*stares at shoes*

williamg on May 7, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Aww..now I feel slightly bad.. don’t stare down at your shoes man.
You have improved from hyperventilating over AP’s chosen qotd and
not screaming- That’s so hot every other post at the womenz.

True..you remember the apostrophe..that was me. My own joke started with Cozmo..I won’t put one in. :) So, credit where credit is due.

Maybe you drink a lot of Red Bull and are excitable. ;)

Was yanking yer chain.

Be well.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 6:26 AM

OT: breaking news, christie to have lap band surgery….

mika and joe are thrilled…

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:33 AM

morning b9 :)

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Well, everyone from CATO to the Kemp Foundation is saying this thing is wrong…but no doubt Rush will be pushing this hoax of a study…after all, that is what Heritage pays him millions to do…the sad thing is that there was a time when Heritage had standards. You could actually have some faith in their studies..that would be back when they used real numbers and dynamic scoring, when they cared more about the truth than they do pushing some demagoguery.

Jennifer Rubin had something interesting about this on her blog:

In what was almost certainly an unprecedented press call, top fiscal conservatives from Americans for Tax Reform, the Cato Institute, the Kemp Foundation and the American Action Network took what had once been the premier conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation, to the woodshed for its immigration report that sees trillions in cost and no benefits from immigration reform.

With a more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger tone, Josh Culling of ATR said that while Heritage was a “treasured ally,” its work was a rehash of a flawed 2007 study that ignored all the benefits of immigration reform. Cato’s Alex Nowrasteh was even more outspoken saying “how disappointed” he was that Heritage abandoned conservative dynamic scoring (i.e. the impact a piece of legislation’s impact on the economy). He accused Heritage of not following years of their own work, which has striven to look at the impact on behavior of changes resulting from reforming the tax code and other innovations. “They ignored GDP, they ignored productivity,” he said in reeling off the list of items in the Gang of 8 legislation left out of Heritage. Cato’s study, which did use dynamic scoring, found that immigration reform would add $1.5 trillion in growth over ten years while forcing out 11 million immigrants (the Heritage solution) would lower GDP by $2.6 trillion over ten years.

This came out a few days ago from CATO:

They mentioned more than a dozen errors in the Heritage study and finished with the following:

It is imperative that the economic costs and benefits of increased immigration be studied using proper methods and the most recent data. A previous report by the Heritage Foundation in 2006 entitled, “The Real Problem with Immigration … and the Real Solution,” by Tim Kane and Kirk Johnson roundly rejected the negative economic assessments of Mr. Rector’s 2007 study.[27] Not only does Mr. Rector not speak for the broad conservative movement; it appears that economists who have worked for the Heritage Foundation also disagree with Mr. Rector’s conclusions.

For decades, the Heritage Foundation has been an influential intellectual force in conservative circles. Its economic analyses have been predicated on consideration of the dynamic effects of policy changes as opposed to static effects. Unfortunately, Mr. Rector’s past work has not been consistent in this regard, employing the same static scoring conservatives have traditionally distrusted in other policy areas.

Many conservatives rely on the Heritage Foundation for accurate research about immigration’s impact on the economy. Before releasing another study assessing the net fiscal impacts of immigration reform, Heritage should correct the errors outlined above to guarantee the most accurate information on this important topic is available.

The really pathetic aspect of this is the seeming desire of some conservatives to cling to the status quo. More than 40% of the illegals in this country are here due to visa problems and for some reason conservatives could care less..they do not want to reform the system. But they love to complain about it.

Terrye on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 AM

O/T: It’s time for the truth about Benghazigate. My take.

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM

mj daily gun rant with a hit to cruz as well…i guess he considers him a bully just like reid

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM

great take KJ…the lsm will treat this with contempt as heard by chuckie todd and erin burnett yesterday…they don’t want to report it but they will with snark and still place the blame on the gop for bringing this up now following hillary’s advice of what difference does it make now?

despicable…

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 AM

mj daily gun rant with a hit to cruz as well…i guess he considers him a bully just like reid

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM

MJ really needs some therapy, given his/their fixation on guns. If they had any guts or honesty, they would chronicle how many times during the last 24 hours guns prevented a crime or saved an innocent life. But I guess we know better.

With Cruz, it’s more like, “How dare he!” Liberals hate to be questioned, let alone debated. That schoolyard-bully comment Reid made is childish as hell, yet liberals think he’s so great and hard-hitting with his commentary.

It’s really all a big comedy, and liberals finally being honest about themselves could be interesting.

Next up from the LSM: “Cruz is a big fat poopy-head. News at eleven!”

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 AM

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Yhank you, ma’am!

It’s up to average Americans, just like we did with the Gosnell Case, to make sure that this does not go away. Remember what Susan Rice said…

There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world.

She lied.

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 6:48 AM

heh

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM

yepper

don’t blame me in chief

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:10 AM

holy cow
‘benghazi was politicized by romney’
-steve schmidt

puhleeze, what an idiot

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Morning CMS!
And KJ.

Gastric by pass eh ? heh.

Terrye on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 AM

I want it reformed..stricter.
I want the border secured, I want the laws we HAVE enforced that aren’t.
I want a change to the visa program and who we are letting in.
That is a problem itself.

I want criminals deported asap. I want to take away the magnets that draw them here. I want the strain of our education,criminal justice system, welfare and other institutions stopped- anchor babies to stop. Years of ignoring it..now we have gang green..and why is that?
We are not secure. It is an economic issue, a national security issue and has been a cancer spreading for years. I mean…how the hell are there over 11 million illegals here?(false #) How did they get here? Easy..Feds didn’t do their job for this country and Americans.
Now we are in panderistic/cater mode. They have power by numbers and we are kissing their A$$ now…what people who have committed illegal crime makes the rules and gets a boo hoo??
Look at who we are giving Visa’s to.
A mess alright..and Washington owns it. Left and Right.
I am from a border state..and it is hurl worthy.
We have communities set up that do not assimilate and there is no need. Not to even learn English. It ain’t just Meheco.
I live it.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:13 AM

She lied.

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM

And it was a whopper.
Complete deception and deceit.
No conscious.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:17 AM

holy cow
‘benghazi was politicized by romney’
-steve schmidt

puhleeze, what an idiot

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM

This is a huge rescue mission for Obama and Hillary. There’s no chance Obama will be impeached, but the luster is going off the knight’s shining armor. He could end up being a true and total lame duck, and the Left can’t have that. He reflects on them all, especially those of the LSM.

They want Hillary for 2016, and this could destroy her chances. Then who could the Dems run — Biden? Even sooner, 2014 could be bad for the Dems; they could lose all of Congress.

The media simply have no choice here, no matter how stupid they appear (or, as they show they always have been). “In for a penny, in for a pound,” goes the old saying. The LSM have so much invested in their precious Obama they dare not turn on him no matter what.

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:19 AM

It’s up to average Americans, just like we did with the Gosnell Case, to make sure that this does not go away. Remember what Susan Rice said…

There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world.

She lied.

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM

No KJ, lying is going on one Sunday talk show and spinning for the administration. Susan Rice lied her ass off on five Sunday talk shows. Hillary Clinton and the rat-eared coward spent $100K in taxpayer dollars apologizing for that YouTube video. The rat-eared coward went to the UN opening session weeks later and again made the claim that it was all about a video.

This is far too much corruption too high up, clearly for campaign purposes, to be dismissed as Susan Rice lying. She was an instrument of the corruption who should be summarily fired as the facts come out. The various versions of the talking points (which utterly refutes what she told Congress) is reason alone to fire her NOW!

It is incomprehensible to me that the talking points can go from talk about radical Islam and Jihadis and end up at a YouTube video without more public outrage.

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:21 AM

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:19 AM

I take it, you read Huck’s silly little comments. :)

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:21 AM

I know. Read today’s Blog. That was just an exemplary quote. :)

kingsjester on May 7, 2013 at 7:23 AM

This is a huge rescue mission for Obama and Hillary. There’s no chance Obama will be impeached, but the luster is going off the knight’s shining armor.

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:19 AM

I wouldn’t completely rule out impeachment (though a long shot given the way the rat-eared coward keeps his fingerprints off the corrupt stuff). But the Senate will never vote to remove from office since that would require integrity on part of Democrats and we know how many of them have that (hint, rhymes with Nero). So in the grand scheme of things the House GOP needs to just keep the dripping going and so discredit the filthy bastard he becomes a lame duck almost immediately.

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:24 AM

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:13 AM

well said

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:19 AM

I take it, you read Huck’s silly little comments. :)

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:23 AM

No, and I really don’t need to. Liberals are totally predictable in their motives and what they’ll say or do.

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 7:19 AM

yepper, gotta save hillary for sure

It is incomprehensible to me that the talking points can go from talk about radical Islam and Jihadis and end up at a YouTube video without more public outrage.

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:21 AM

its called lsm defending this administration….low information voter doesn’t know squat about this…

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Ill add…
Do you think they are going to impeach the 1st black prez?
lol…no effing way. They wont even stand up to him..or fight…let a lone impeach.
He has gotten away with plenty, wit his media army standing right behind him.

The brown shirts are forming in Fl-Palm Beach..say you hate the Govt..friendly knock at the door.
We are being hit from every angle..on purpose. Every amendment and freedom..and Christianity.
Make no mistake..their machine isn’t gonna let Barry go down.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:32 AM

well said

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:28 AM

TY cms.. straight from the heart and straight from my life since a child-till now. facts.

Btw..40% is Visa?
Hell…we dont even know how many illegals are really here..11 mil is a low ball #.
If we don’t know..spouting Visa stats..useless.
Visa’s are only one component..and its crap too.
Underwear bomber should never had a travel Visa. They knew his history! Blow my head off. We trained the 9/11 bombers right here in FL flight schools! FAIL.
A mess indeed.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:40 AM

A mess indeed.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:40 AM

oh yeah

cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 7:42 AM

May I add..scary we dont even know how many illegals are even here!
Think abut that…we dont even know the #, who they are or what they are up to. Scary..ya think?
Again…who Failed us?
The damage is done in some places. I watched it destroy my home state.
I watch it destroy my current.
Hottest debate here now..You will support bi-lingual classrooms!
Oh..you aren’t bi-lingual? There goes your chance for a job..its a pre-req in many cities here. I have to recruit translators to talk to my employers employees in meetings!

Rant off…
Y’all have a good day.
I got Obamahellcare to go deal with.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:46 AM

A mess indeed.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Not if you are a young Muslim male intent on doing harm. They call it opportunity. And, in the meantime, the so-called gang of eight have crafted legislation that does nothing but create on-ramps for amnesty with millions getting fast-tracked despite what that rat Rubio says when he courts conservative support with talk of border security and not allowing line jumping.

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM

It’s easy for them to create this disaster, because they’re insulated from it unlike the rest of us. And Obama and our trolls say we have no reason to fear a possible government tyranny? I know Obama is lying, while our trolls are simply deceived. When the government is forced to quell high crime, and institute Draconian measures ‘in the public interest’, the trolls will be the most surprised.

Liam on May 7, 2013 at 8:00 AM

All these taxes they pay? SURE THEY DO…ask local law enforcement…

I had a couple of drug dealers busted in a home next to a rental I owned. One had a Benz SUV, the other had a Corvette but drove an older Audi most of the time. Both partied, dressed, had their place fixed up, got busted and ONLY because one sold stock he collected to pay lawyers did the IRS get interested. It was disclosed that they had not paid even minimum wage level income tax over the years! One was on food stamps?

Marathon bombers, anyone? The cops were green with envy.

Why do you think an ID card to collect sales tax makes sense?

First, what would you do in their place?

They work for cash and steal enough to have a decent lifestyle. Maids with a client drive Toyota Sequolas, Tahoes, and one has a nice Lexus in my neighborhood.

Illegals? Yes, but I know few people with Spanish as a first language who have any withholding from wages. And Obamacare will insure lots of casual cash work for them.

From a source advocating for illegals on the California situation:

Now remember….. 24% to 26% of a population dodging all payroll tax is fine for this writer!

Economic Roundtable in Los Angeles issued a report in 2005 on what it called “L.A’s Off-The-Books labor force.” Its research was about the city of Los Angeles, not the entire county, and concluded that there were 3,908,000 wage earners in the city and about 972,000 “informal workers,” meaning they were getting paid under the table. It does not break down how many of them might have been illegal aliens, but the percentage was no where near 40 percent. Los Angeles Almanac estimated number of “unreported jobs” in 2005 in Los Angeles County at 643,000 with a number of workers at 4,090.630.

IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:09 AM

The pro immigration stuff is from:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/illegal-aliens.htm#.UYjrd7WG2So

IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:10 AM

The key is often finding a traitor.

If we the people could find a way to market and sell liars and lies. There are members of the House, Senate, and Elected Executive aka President who are the best in the world.

Would that we could get them to market with their evil skill sets the national debt could be well paid off in under a year or less.

The House, Senate, and their leaders in the RNC and DNC have spent the nation into the poor house, them borrowed all of our future.

Now they attemt a fraud on top of that fraud to pull in these poor wage/vote slaves and use them to cover the ongoing crimes.

They will do this evil act unless we join together to stop them.

Standing aside as they commit treason like we allowed John Kerry to do will not work. Allowing people like William Ayers to buy his way out of being a domestic terrorist and them a Prof. at a University is going backwards into the time of kings and one family rule.

It is a TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT, and our duty is to stand our ground and stop them.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM

The MSNBC twit has a lot of good source material for his nonsense, doesn’t he?

We not only have open borders, we have subsidies to get ripped off!

Don’t ask me to repeat the info I got while on a date with a woman who was a philanthropist and on the board of a local hospital (I think more than one hospital and a larger pharma firm) on how illegals were showing up with TB and etc. (and getting off for a layover while in labor) from countries she believed CONSPIRED to ship them up here!

IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:20 AM

*yawn*

tommy71 on May 7, 2013 at 8:25 AM

WE ARE LIVESTOCK!

YOUR government is letting y’all be CASH COWS for idiots like the marathon bombers.

Birth control? Abortion? They are performing calculated genocide on half responsible youngsters, esp. whites!

Young American gals are getting abortions since they can’t afford to have a kid and get a life started and hubby has this economy and affirmative action to fight if he is white. Euro socialist nations help the kids get jobs and help them have new little workers!

OMG! You people can’t see this?

IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:29 AM

It is 20 to 30 grand to cure TB in a US hospital.

A good part of Latin America just sends them home to die.

Or to a hospital near you.

IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Dynamic Scoring?
You bet’chem RedRider!

Herb on May 7, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Terrye on May 7, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Oh Terrye, I’m betting you just love obamacare, because it doesn’t matter WHAT you do, as long as you do something, right?
Conservatives don’t want this sh!t sandwich, but nobody could ever accuse you of being a conservative. You’re just a establishment stooge.
Require E-Verify for employment and benefits.
Modernize and strengthen the Visa system.
Interior enforcement, ban sanctuary cities, allow borders to be secured by those tasked to do so.
You don’t need a huge bill for common sense.

AllahsNippleHair on May 7, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Does his money take into account the addition of ten years worth of ‘anchor babies’to the 11 milion illigals. I find this number suspect. Where did the 11 million number come from?

RdLake on May 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

…lurked…

KOOLAID2 on May 7, 2013 at 4:10 AM

Was lurking too……….;-)

angrymike on May 7, 2013 at 4:46 AM

OMG you guys!!!!

Even tho I am soooooooooooooo late to respond, AM! It’s good to see you back!! I second bazil9 :-)

Hope to catch up later :-)

Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM

True..you remember the apostrophe..that was me. My own joke started with Cozmo..I won’t put one in. :) So, credit where credit is due.

Maybe you drink a lot of Red Bull and are excitable. ;)

Was yanking yer chain.

Be well.

bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 6:26 AM

Don’t drink “Red Bull”…do have triple iced latte every morning……

God Bless women who “yank our chains”…….they keep life interesting and worth living……

williamg on May 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM

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