An armed march on Washington? Let’s not. Update: Kokesh an anti-war smear merchant?

posted at 2:31 pm on May 4, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Before we get started on this story, I would like to take a moment to point out that you’d be hard pressed to find any point where I’ve been anything but a staunch defender of the Second Amendment, as I would hope most regular readers know. I’ve taken flack for it from a lot of people this year, ranging from family members to folks in the media. But even approaching it from that sort of position, I’ve got to say that this is a really bad idea.

A march on Washington with loaded rifles

Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 — armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited.

“This will be a non-violent event,” the Facebook group warns, “unless the government chooses to make it violent.” Already, over 200 people have said they’ll attend the march.

The plan is to march over the bridge, around the Capitol building, the Supreme Court and the White House, all with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders. Honestly, it’s difficult to imagine a worse idea, particularly in the midst of a heated debate with gun grabbers in the government. Kokesh describes this as an act of “civil disobedience” but it falls well short of that goal. If he wanted to promote an act of peacefully breaking the law to make a point, it would certainly be worthy of considering. For example, you could take a large number of people to block the entrance to the main office of the A.T.F and force the police to arrest and remove you. But this is something very different.

Showing up with a thousand (or even a few hundred) people openly carrying loaded weapons and marching toward the Capitol is not something that law enforcement is going to play around with, particularly when you announce it in advance. And they’re not going to allow the march to proceed “peacefully” either. Normally I’d write this off as a bad idea that wouldn’t gain widespread support, but the problem here is that it doesn’t need widespread support. It would really only take a few hundred really upset people to get it rolling. And even if most of them intend it to be peaceful, when the officials show up to arrest them, weapons drawn, you have the potential for disaster which Rick Moran foresees.

With the furor over gun rights and the government’s efforts at gun control, this march is likely to attract enough people to make it an extraordinarily dangerous event. Who knows what kooks will be marching? Most marchers will no doubt be level headed and sincere in their desire for a non-violent event. But it only takes one unbalanced person to cause a tragedy.

Sensible gun owners, along with the NRA, are making the point that the government needs to respect the rights of law abiding, responsible gun owners and spend their time chasing the actual criminals. There could be no better gift to hand to gun rights opponents than to have a bunch of people get arrested for breaking established (if really bad) gun laws or, worse, getting in a shootout with the cops. This is not the type of representation we need in this debate.

UPDATE: (Jazz) From the Boss Emeritus. Was this all a dodge?

[Kokesh] marched in uniform in mock patrols for the anti-war movement, paraded around holding an upside-down American flag (see Jonn Lilyea for more), was arrested for defacing signs, and traveled to Germany to urge soldiers to abandon their posts and seek aid and comfort with his anti-war minions.

Kokesh, believe it or not, is now running as a Republican candidate for Congress in New Mexico. And, believe it or not, he is getting positive exposure on at least one Fox News show. He has the backing of Ron Paul, the Republican Liberty Caucus, and the 9/12 Project.

The New Mexico Republican Party has its head in the sand. If you have friends and family in New Mexico, make sure they know who the real Adam Kokesh is.

He is an anti-war smear merchant in GOP clothing. Spread the word.


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A Public Decapitation is a HORRIBLE thing!!

…..then again, there are probably times that they are appropriate…….

williamg on May 4, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Violent crime is difficult to compare,but murder,gun killings and gun crime are easier
 
mags on May 4, 2013 at 7:25 PM

 
mags on May 4, 2013 at 8:55 PM

 
Fair enough.
 
What percentage of violent crime in the UK involves a firearm?
 
I checked your links, but I’d like a quotable response directly from you with a citation, please.
 
Your provided Home Office .pdf is fine. Just point to the page number(s).
 
rogerb on May 4, 2013 at 9:01 PM

 
Still awake, mags? Was that six minutes the breaking point?
 
Or still looking, maybe? I can help if you need it.

rogerb on May 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Mr. Shaw,

If the 2nd Amendment is nothing but a hood ornament in your mind then it is pretty much worthless for its intended purpose. The 2nd Amend was designed so that The People could be armed for the exact purpose of marching into DC and taking their right back. Winning requires resource and will. Without will there is no victory.

Dr. Dog on May 4, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I don’t know how we got so far off thread as to concentrate on violent crime in ease overshoe Anglia, but I thought this thread was about a bunch of nuts thinking that carrying loaded weapons into the District of Columbia en masse, was going to be a safe and fun thing to do. Unless you are considering violent overthrow of the government, you don’t do that in D,C. That is unless you are incredibly stupid. That is the definition of insurrection. Although the second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, the rest of the Constitution gives the rest of the government the right to slap you down if you try to violently overthrow it. If you are going to start an insurrection with 1000 idiots, hoping the rest of the country will join in, make sure your affairs are in order.

Old Country Boy on May 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

This guy sounds like a loon.

Philly on May 4, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Bullsh!t, it’s a great idea!!!!!!

This is the kind of innovative thing that REAL conservatives do.

Lol – Hotair, home of that rarest of beasts; metropolitan conservatives who trust the government. ;p

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM To whom are you referring?

Old Country Boy on May 4, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Adam Kokesh is a piece of sh**, and unworthy of having ever worn the uniform. His plan is no doubt to somehow lead conservatives to some sort of embarrassing publicity defeat.

And anyone here touting his plan, if they know his history, is a troll.

M240H on May 4, 2013 at 10:16 PM

And anyone here touting his plan, if they know his history, is a troll.

M240H on May 4, 2013 at 10:16 PM

And anyone who declares that anyone who meets a personally determined criteria is troll is surely a troll himself.

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Old Country Boy on May 4, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Jazz, AP, and half the sommentors. You and Hawkdriver are cool though.

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM

So we can count on your attendance?

nobar on May 4, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Based on the Kent State thread, I expect Hot Airians to be totally supportive if the National Guard or Capitol Police shoot and kill these protesters if they step out of line.

antisense on May 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Old Country Boy on May 4, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Jazz, AP, and half the sommentors. You and Hawkdriver are cool though.

abobo on May 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Thanks … how did I make the list.

Based on the Kent State thread, I expect Hot Airians to be totally supportive if the National Guard or Capitol Police shoot and kill these protesters if they step out of line.

antisense on May 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

If the demonstrators behave less than cordially, I’d expect no one would be upset if they got the ole wood shampoo. Are you crossing your fingers and hoping someone gets shot?

hawkdriver on May 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Based on the Kent State thread, I expect Hot Airians to be totally supportive if the National Guard or Capitol Police shoot and kill these protesters if they step out of line.

antisense on May 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

There are alternatives to fighting (national divorce).

nobar on May 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Based on the Kent State thread, I expect Hot Airians to be totally supportive if the National Guard or Capitol Police shoot and kill these protesters if they step out of line.

antisense on May 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Absolutely. Undoubtedly, there will be a leftie infiltrator who will make sure that happens. If Malkin is right, that leftie is the leader, so it’s sort of like the pied piper situation. The kiddies will follow and disappear into….

unclesmrgol on May 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Kokesh again? Isn’t his 15 minutes up yet?

He tried to run for the republican nomination to unseat Lujan in NM 3rd district. He lost. As nutty as northern New Mexico is…in every sense… there’s no way Kokesh would ever win a congressional race.

As far as the march on Washington… unless you have 100,000+ people marching with loaded rifles (which would still be a bad idea), all it’s going to do is make all firearms owners guilty by association. It’s not even a matter of having a lone nut along on the march… I worry more about the DC police. I could see it turning ugly in an instant and no one is going to remember who fired first.

Wendya on May 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

May I suggest to people not to follow false lags and into the arms of the leftists and their MSM crony narrative.

Learn somethings from Jesus Christ.

losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM

A better alternative would be for hundreds of thousands to march in washington carrying copies of the US Constitution and holding large signs with the oath OUR elected SERVENTS take upon swearing IN.

losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I suggest pitchforks

J_Crater on May 4, 2013 at 11:46 PM

If the demonstrators behave less than cordially, I’d expect no one would be upset if they got the ole wood shampoo. Are you crossing your fingers and hoping someone gets shot?

hawkdriver on May 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM

You gotta help me with that one.

danielreyes on May 5, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Great idea how bout using rifle cut outs instead. What a powerful nonviolence symbolic gesture

alQemist on May 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Based on the Kent State thread, I expect Hot Airians to be totally supportive if the National Guard or Capitol Police shoot and kill these protesters if they step out of line.

antisense on May 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

AS someone who is not very intelligent, even I know that there can be no NG in the District of Columbia. However, if a bunch of people, either lefties or righties, show up armed in the nation’s capital, I would expect some sort of reaction by the authorities.

Old Country Boy on May 5, 2013 at 2:17 AM

He is anti-war. No doubt…
But he is also a strong fiscal conservative. A man who stands up for the 2nd amendment. And he is willing to go toe to toe with McCain/Graham.
Does being anti-war disqualify you from being Republican? I sure hope not.

therambler on May 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Or still looking, maybe? I can help if you need it.

rogerb on May 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I have already given that data it is in chapter 2 page 51 it’s very detailed
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

Firearm offences continue to make up a small proportion of overall recorded crime. In 2010/11,
firearms were used in 0.3 per cent of all police recorded offences,

mags on May 5, 2013 at 4:05 AM

A better alternative would be for hundreds of thousands to march in washington carrying copies of the US Constitution and holding large signs with the oath OUR elected SERVENTS take upon swearing IN.
losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I agree!

bluegill on May 5, 2013 at 4:22 AM

What is strange is that a much better statement could be made by people with empty holsters and empty rifle scabbards with gags on.

Lose the 2nd and then you lose the 1st.

No speeches, no talks, no fliers, no t-shirts: just make the point by peacefully walking by the WH, Capitol Building and whatever else is in the District nearby. A silent protest to point out what it is like to be without arms.

ajacksonian on May 5, 2013 at 6:28 AM

(What percentage of violent crime in the UK involves a firearm?)
Or still looking, maybe? I can help if you need it.

rogerb on May 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM

 
I have already given that data it is in chapter 2 page 51 it’s very detailed
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf
 
Firearm offences continue to make up a small proportion of overall recorded crime.
 
In 2010/11,
firearms were used in 0.3 per cent of all police recorded offences
,
 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 4:05 AM

 
Thanks.
 
So in the UK firearms are used in less than 1% of all recorded crime. That is certainly an impressively low percentage.
 
What exactly would you attribute such a small number to?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Firearm offences continue to make up a small proportion of overall recorded crime.

 

In hindsight, I should’ve bolded this, too. Regardless, thanks for the response. I look forward to the exchange.

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 6:57 AM

He is anti-war. No doubt…
But he is also a strong fiscal conservative. A man who stands up for the 2nd amendment. And he is willing to go toe to toe with McCain/Graham.
Does being anti-war disqualify you from being Republican? I sure hope not.

therambler on May 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Fiscal conservatism is not an excuse for idiotic behavior.

Stoic Patriot on May 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM

the ole wood shampoo

You gotta help me with that one.

danielreyes on May 5, 2013 at 12:47 AM

You apply shampoo to the hair on top of the head, correct? And police batons used to (and some still are, I’m sure) be made of wood. Hence, apply wood to top of noggin, rinse, repeat.

That is the definition of insurrection.

Old Country Boy on May 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

No, it isn’t. It might be stupid, but marching into DC with loaded arms, in a group, does not define insurrection. Unless you define it merely as defiance of government.

GWB on May 5, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Not a good idea. You would be making the Lefts’ point for it. With the total lack of honest journalism now, it would come off very bad to Mr. LIV.

But, I seriously sympathize with the sentiment. We may, indeed, be on the verge of such an occurance that I could agree with.

And it is difficult to be more pro-2A than I am.

AS someone who is not very intelligent, even I know that there can be no NG in the District of Columbia. However, if a bunch of people, either lefties or righties, show up armed in the nation’s capital, I would expect some sort of reaction by the authorities.

Old Country Boy on May 5, 2013 at 2:17 AM

As someone who rarely stays in a Holiday Inn Express, (wait,….never) I would agree that it would be a guaranteed certainty.

98ZJUSMC on May 5, 2013 at 7:34 AM

A better alternative would be for hundreds of thousands to march in washington carrying copies of the US Constitution and holding large signs with the oath OUR elected SERVENTS take upon swearing IN.

losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Really? Because so far that document hasn’t had much power to enforce itself. It relies on the people to do that. Now, it’s possible that a truly massive march (hundreds of thousands wouldn’t even come close to impressing these folks) would make an impression. But I doubt it. Unless it signaled that those people who are the guardians of the Constitution are ready to take the next step – which would be some action more forceful than a quiet march.

GWB on May 5, 2013 at 7:38 AM

I’m sure the Worthless One in the WH would luv for this to happen…….he would then have an excxuse to implement Martial Law and confiscate guns….which would inflame others……….which would result in………..

Horrible idea.

(Excuse me if I’m late in posting the obvious here which may have already been hinted at or posted. Haven’t read through the whole thread…things happening here at home.)

avagreen on May 5, 2013 at 7:38 AM

mags on May 5, 2013 at 4:05 AM

We have far more stabbings here in this town than use of guns. Daily accounts of it.

Gun control does NOTHING to curb crime….criminals don’t register their <em>stolen guns, ya know?

avagreen on May 5, 2013 at 7:40 AM

In 2010/11, firearms were used in 0.3 per cent of all police recorded offences,
 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 4:05 AM

 
What exactly would you attribute such a small number to?
 
rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 6:52 AM

 
I’ll be in and out quite a bit today, but I’ll be checking the thread often. To save time I’ll add a bit now. It’s an easy one:
 
mags, would you describe the UK’s gun control as strict, moderate, or lax? How about gun control in the US?
 
So three questions total. Thanks in advance for your responses.

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 7:40 AM

He is anti-war. No doubt…
But he is also a strong fiscal conservative. A man who stands up for the 2nd amendment. And he is willing to go toe to toe with McCain/Graham.
Does being anti-war disqualify you from being Republican? I sure hope not.

therambler on May 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Again as an Anarcho-Capitalist/Libertarian Anarchist; he does NOT “stand up for the 2A.”

Conservatives, get it thru your noggins..he’s an Anarchist, he Rothbard, Raimondo, they don’t support the US Constitution or the @A…they don’t believe in GOVERNMENT….

Fiscal Conservatives believe in a small government NOT NO GOVERNMENT….

This guy is a fiscal conservative, in the sense your taxes would be low or zero…. because there wouldn’t be a DoD, or a State Department, or a host of other functions contemplated by the Founders.

And flokz like “Moderateman” and the “the Rambler” are either
1) IGNORANT of this obvious difference between Conservatives and the likes of Kokesh;
2) Are the likes of Kokesh, seeking to hide under your skirts.

So either fools or knaves.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:43 AM

A better alternative would be for hundreds of thousands to march in washington carrying copies of the US Constitution and holding large signs with the oath OUR elected SERVENTS take upon swearing IN.

losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I agree!

bluegill on May 5, 2013 at 4:22 AM

Well, just make sure your sign is speel checked.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Does being anti-war disqualify you from being Republican? I sure hope not.

therambler on May 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Depends how do you stand of S3cession and the War of Rebellion? How do you stand on the First World War and the Second World War?

War IS the answer, depending on the question being asked…..Do you think the Draft was Involuntary Servitude and ought NEVER have been utilized, ever?

Are you going to tell me that we can solve the problem of AQ via Lettres of Marque and the use of mercenaries?

Because depending on your answers to those sorts of questions, it WOULD disqualify you from being a Republican…..

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:47 AM

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:43 AM

JFKY, In your comment above when you referred to the US COnstitution and @A, “@A” is referring to the Amendments?

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 6:52 AM

I will try to explain but first can i say i am talking about here in the U.K. At no point have i said America should be like us ,i only post on this subject when our gun control gets dragged into the debate.

We don’t have the same gun culture here .People have guns for hunting and sports but with strict checks including storage and separate ammo.

In the mid 90′s gun crime was going up for here.
Dunblane was a massive turning point in gun legislation, the Snowdrop drive, named after the only flower in bloom at the time of the killings, struck a nerve with us who were beginning to worry about the country’s gun culture
This led to the ban on handguns, it also won more regulation’s of rifles and shotguns, new school safety measures and background checks for volunteers who work with children.
So there isn’t a volume of legally held guns.

Our police are not armed,there is elite armed response unit’s,but shooting of police and police shooting people are rare.
Less gun’s and restriction’s makes it harder for criminals to get guns so there is more chance of catching them smuggling. Because of the laws on storage and ammo, criminals find it harder to steal legally held guns.
The number of killings due to gun accidents are minimal and also the use of a gun in suicide because of gun laws
The main point is,we don’t want or feel we need to be armed or our schools and shop’s it would be exhausting to feel that threatened by crime.
We feel if we act like that then the criminals have won because they are having this effect of making us live in fear.
Totally personal account.I respect your second amendment right

mags on May 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Poor typing, 2A….

And I will stand by the fact that a Libertarian Anarchist doesn’t stand up for the 2A, as they don’t believe in it or the BoR or the US Constitution…..

Thnk of this lot as Qu33r Studies” sorts. In Qu33r studies Gay Marriage is opposed, because “Qu33rs” don’t believe in MARRIAGE…and they believe that Gay Marriage is simply a way for Gays to assimilate and join the Bourgeoisie, as they say “Get a wife and a house and a picket fence.”

Anarchists don’t believe in the 2A, because it’s a statement from and by a government…which they really don’t believe in…

So I get a little tired of being informed that folkz like Kokesh or Raimondo “believe” in the 2A, they don’t believe in the US Constitution, so they really can’t believe in the 2A, can they?

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

The main point is,we don’t want or feel we need to be armed or our schools and shop’s it would be exhausting to feel that threatened by crime.

The funny thing is, YOU ARE THAT THREATENED BY CRIME…your violent crime rate is as bad if not worse than the US’.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:58 AM

mags on May 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM

 
Thanks. So for
 

What exactly would you attribute such a small number to?

 
Your answer is
 

People have guns for hunting and sports but with strict checks including storage and separate ammo.

 
and
 

So there isn’t a volume of legally held guns.

 
Can we just write the simple “there are fewer guns”?
 
Is that okay? Please respond yes or no.
 
So how about my second question describing gun control laws in the two countries?
 

mags, would you describe the UK’s gun control as strict, moderate, or lax? How about gun control in the US?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Thanks. My speel-checker isn’t doing much for me these days either. I’ve read about Kokesh since Jazz originally put up the story and after reading I’d be a bit suspect of his intentions also. I can’t recall having heard much about him before.

I do like the idea of a large march on DC with Constitutions like the commenter losarkos had offered.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

rogerb

Not that i believe everything in the press this explains some of it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-winning-battle-against-inner-city-gun-crime-8463957.html

mags on May 5, 2013 at 8:00 AM

Mags, you are making kind of a NON-Point…

YES, gun crime IS lower in the UK than the US…. there are proportionally far fewer fire arms.

HOWEVER, proportionally there ARE the same number of fists and P3nises in the UK as there are in the US.

So whilst it is true I am less likely to be SHOT in the UK, it is also true I am about at the same risk for beatings, kickings, armed robberies or rapes in the US as I am in the US…so your Gun Control hasn’t made you safer, just less likely to be shot.

Just like living in a Desert drastically reduces your risk of death by DROWNING…it doesn’t necessarily do a thing to increase your life span, and could increase other deaths, but you surely won’t drown in the Sahara.

Now other statistics are IRONIC, like the fact that Gun Homicides and Gun Crime are, statistically skyrocketing, even after your Gun Ban. However, since the numbers are so small they are PRACTICALLY meaningless, though statistically impressive and they do make for a good bit of fun at the UK’s expense. But truly 60 gun homicides jumping to 80 IS a 33% increase, but in a nation the size of the UK it really isn’t saying much.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

.
Thanks. My speel-checker isn’t doing much for me these days either.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM
.
What the blessed hang is a “speel-chequer”?

listens2glenn on May 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

What the blessed hang is a “speel-chequer”?

listens2glenn on May 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I believe that is the person on Obama’s staff that helps pronounce Corpse-man and counts the number of states he is talking about, e.g., “57.”

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:15 AM

So I get a little tired of being informed that folkz like Kokesh or Raimondo “believe” in the 2A, they don’t believe in the US Constitution, so they really can’t believe in the 2A, can they?

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

You are correct that Kokesh et al. feel that the Constitution is insufficiently protective of our rights. Their thinking is more in line with the anti-federalists who believed that the Constitution would ultimately lead to a centralization of power away from the people and to the federal government.

And you are correct that, as anarchists, they would not adhere to the constitution. You are missing the fact though that the BoR largely enshrined what the founders believed to be natural rights that every man was born with. Kokesh et al. defend the 2A, not as an amendment to a piece of parchment, but because it is a right that the government is not supposed to alienate.

Firefly_76 on May 5, 2013 at 8:19 AM

A march like that would prove beyond a doubt what the anti gun nuts have been singing about and probably one of these anti gun people would shoot a round off and start a war similar to the Germans that were wearing the Polish military uniforms that shot up a bunch of farmers and launched Hitler into his terror plans.

mixplix on May 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM

mags on May 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM

mags, I respect your response. But …

I would ask first, do you have any idea during the Snowdrop Campaign, what the percentage of lawful and legal gun owners was, who were effected by the drive to confiscate guns from your citizens whom you thought shouldn’t have them?

Second, in the two years following Snowdrop, your crime rate in all categories rose 40 percent. For two full years, law enforcement in GB was unable to counter the spike in crime which is directly related to Snowdrop passing and being executed.

And let’s admit one thing, Snowdrop was an emotional response based on an event and rather than well thought through, it was forced down law abiding citizen’s throats. The truth is not all of GB was on board with it and there is still a large portion of both your and Australia’s populace that wants their guns back. I know because I’ve spoken with both your countries soldiers while deployed.

Lastly, I understand you wanting to make a point in defending the climate in your country, but it’s not normally us who bring up GB or Australia. Liberals point to you and claim you’re models of how gun confiscation works. It’s only natural to point to the discrepancies in that argument in return.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM

What the blessed hang is a “speel-chequer”?

listens2glenn on May 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Yes. I like what you’ve added to it. Speel chequer!

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM

And you are correct that, as anarchists, they would not adhere to the constitution.

And that’s why they are NOT “Conservatives” and not really welcome around me….Obama and Dorn and Ayers don’t adhere to the Constitution either, as they too, have a set of Natural Rights every person is born with…theirs and Kokesh’s may be different, but nonetheless the they all agree that the US Constitution is TOO “restrictive.”

The Founders were NOT Anarchists, they didn’t see fit to institute a Kokesh/Raimondo/Rothbard Government…so sorry not walking to DC with a guy who doesn’t believe in what I believe in.

Bottom-Line: Just because Kokesh believes I hae a RIGHT to an AR-15; just like Dorn/Ayers and I might agree on certain on the Injustice of the Kelo Decision does NOT make us at all simpatico.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM

And Fire-Fly76 I’ve met Anarcho-Capitalists who’ve informed me that Yes, in certain circumstances, it would perfectly acceptable for private individuals to won a thermo-nuclear weapon…is that ALL A-C’s, no, but for me it illustrates the difference between Anarchists and Conservatives…..

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Well pancakes call my name and UNLIKE “Bluegill” I will NOT be posting from the Denny’s/IHOP/First Watch. You people are nice and all, and quite interesting, but really nothing gets between me and the pancakes.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

This sounds like Obama’s Reichstag fire to me.

This will go horribly, horribly wrong and then he can blame it on those craaaazy Tea Partiers and the NRA. If there is a single Veteran in the crowd he will paint it as an attempted military coup.

MLK and Ghandi achieved monumental political change through peaceful, non-violent protest. Any action on the individual level must be peaceful and non-violent. Otherwise it is game over, and Obama wins.

If force becomes necessary to protect individuals from a violently oppressive government — for example, let’s say the federal gov starts hauling people off to re-education camps, or whatever — then that response needs to be organized by our duly elected State governments.

No sane person should want to see armed mobs running around. This has ‘community organizer’ written all over it. If Obama is good at one thing, it is stirring up the crowds and pitting them against each other.

bitsy on May 5, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Bitsy gets it right….you canNOT fight Da Man with rifles…he has too many…that’s what Alinsky was getting at in his Rules for Radicals .

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:32 AM

What the blessed hang is a “speel-chequer”?

listens2glenn on May 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM

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I believe that is the person on Obama’s staff that helps pronounce Corpse-man and counts the number of states he is talking about, e.g., “57.”

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 8:15 AM

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That solves that riddle. : )
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Yes. I like what you’ve added to it. Speel chequer!

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM

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( b l u s h )

Uh oh ……. there goes my ego … it’s swelling like Mr Creosote’s stomach ….. “Take cover !”

listens2glenn on May 5, 2013 at 8:44 AM

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Can we just write the simple “there are fewer guns”?

Yes,but also we don’t want more guns.

mags, would you describe the UK’s gun control as strict, moderate, or lax? How about gun control in the US?

I would say it is mostly strict and working,we had 1 spree shooting of 10 in 2010,that’s the only one since Dunblane.
Gun control on it’s own won’t solve gun crime and gun murder in the inner cities and the previous article that i posted explains that.

As for gun control in the U.S. As i have said i am not passing judgement on your laws.If you believe that the gun control that is in place in the U.S would be sufficient to reduce the numbers but are not enforced,then that is something for you to debate.

The main point is we don’t have,want or feel the need to have so much personal weaponary

mags on May 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM

mags, would you describe the UK’s gun control as strict, moderate, or lax? How about gun control in the US?

I would say it is mostly strict and working,we had 1 spree shooting of 10 in 2010,that’s the only one since Dunblane.
Gun control on it’s own won’t solve gun crime and gun murder in the inner cities and the previous article that i posted explains that.

As for gun control in the U.S. As i have said i am not passing judgement on your laws.If you believe that the gun control that is in place in the U.S would be sufficient to reduce the numbers but are not enforced,then that is something for you to debate.

The main point is we don’t have,want or feel the need to have so much personal weaponary

mags on May 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM

 
I appreciate the thoughtful post, but there were three choices for a simple question, please.
 
UK- strict, moderate, or lax? (answered, thanks)
 
US- strict, moderate, or lax?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Pancakes…………H’mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…any way, here’s one scenario for when Kokesh and some of you guyz show up….
1) Big Signs on the bridges leading into DC announcing “No Weapons Carry, Concealed or Open”
2) Police about 300 metres back from the end of the bridges, armed with tear gas and fire hoses, and a big Red Line about 200 metres past the end of the bridge.
3) Kokesh and Company cross the Red Line, and the police let loose with the tear gas and fire hoses.
4) The the police round up the wet, crying, mucous-blowing remnant.

I said it last night, the POLICE DON’T HAVE TO SHOOT to stop Kokesh….They can stop Kokesh and his “posse” WITHOUT fire arms.

The onus to fire or NOT falls on Kokesh & Co.

Many of you have this binary belief, that the police have only two courses of action, gun fire or acquiescence. They have a large range of options in between. It is Kokesh & Co. that have only two options, arrest or resistance (Armed).

I’m going to tell you flat out, the Police win that battle, both the physical and the PR one.

Again Alinsky writes to instruct subversives who want to win….He criticized the jokers who were attempting armed revolution.

But some of you Kokesh-heads and Libertarian-Anarchists want to repeat Chicago 1968; I can’t stop you. But just realize who won the street battle and who lost the political fight… Daley and the cops won the street fight and Nixon and the Right(ish) Forces swept 1968.

March Armed into DC, be tear-gassed, arrested and beaten and set the Cause back by a decade…. because it’s more “Fun” to march than it is to organize….

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 10:07 AM

The mistake would be to enter DC over one bridge. They need to divide up and enter from multiple directions. A dozen vans could deliver over a hundred patriots to the White House, the Capitol or anywhere in the city. They shouldn’t attempt unless they have over a thousand participants.

PaddyORyan on May 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

The mistake would be to enter DC over one bridge. They need to divide up and enter from multiple directions. A dozen vans could deliver over a hundred patriots to the White House, the Capitol or anywhere in the city. They shouldn’t attempt unless they have over a thousand participants.

PaddyORyan on May 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Van-loads of armed “Patriots” h’mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmit just gets better and better…

also easier to stop and arrest 100 people in 12 groups, not enough media…

Further, this is just Kokesh mouthing off to collect adherents and their contributions….I’ll make book this “march” NEVER happens.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM

US- strict, moderate, or lax?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

I’m trying to watch the Merseyside Derby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyside_derby

mags on May 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM

US- strict, moderate, or lax?
 
rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

 
I’m trying to watch the Merseyside Derby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyside_derby
 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM

 
So you made the effort to post fifteen words and find a link re:derby vs:
 
Strict (one word)
 
Moderate (one word)
 
Lax (one word)

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 10:39 AM

US- strict, moderate, or lax?
 
You already know the answer. One word. One of the above.

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

By now Kokesh and his band of fools that have signed onto to this provocative fallacy of exercising their second amendment rights via Facebook, or whatever electronic means have probably already had their identities data mined in total. Thinking you can march into DC with rifles slung on your shoulder and not be intercepted by every government agency with all the resources, tactics, and malevolent intent this government can deploy is ludicrous. They will not be met with no less than what

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 10:07 AM

stated above if they are lucky. The first accidental discharge by LE is going to be followed by more panicky deliberate fire and those weapons are already at the ready with just a thumb twitch and finger pull to possibly start exactly what Kokesh is hoping for.

fourdeucer on May 5, 2013 at 10:42 AM

A bad idea from a gun owning NRA guy and former career police officer. This is the wrong approach here’s why.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2013/05/05/radio-host-wants-armed-march-on-washington-and-wants-to-tell-everyone-in-advance-bad-idea/

…And the point is to prove the people who run the country are anti-gun nuts, who believe that someday citizens will arm themselves and revolt against government by marching on Washington and that is why they want to seize your guns…hey, wait a minute!

And what is the purpose? To show them the police can’t handle a thousand arrests for weapons, thus the law is bad? Does anyone, ANYONE, think the politicians, who are ensconced behind solid walls surrounded by security, are even going to care? They will laugh at the foolishness of us letting them win the day. And you people will be dead or in jail….and they will go home- just like yesterday, just like tomorrow, just like forever.

A quick history lesson. The closest thing to what the radio host is doing is the French Revolution, and we aren’t there- yet. The only way that revolution worked was the military and the police stepped to one side when the crowds pushed past rounding up the elites of that era. In this time, the government employees are vast, well paid, almost mercenary in their concept of how their jobs are linked to the status quo. They are also generational order followers as a rule when looked at as a group (not as individuals). They don’t want the government to change because it could personally effect them. So they will mount up and meet citizens at the bridge.

The police are becoming paramilitarized. They have tons of tools the French didn’t have hundreds of years ago. That means the death toll would be horrendous if some idiot pulls a trigger and starts another “Concord” moment. And trust me, there is at least one in every crowd.

Lastly, and I cannot emphasize this enough, you aren’t mad at the people facing you. And they aren’t going to back down under physical threat. In fact, they’ll do just the opposite and make it personal. But they aren’t monsters (outside that 10% in every force of any kind). They are your brother (or at least someone’s brother). They are your son or your father (or at least someone’s son or father). They are you. I guarantee many who you will stand against probably have illegal guns hidden in their houses or live in Virgina where they can possess guns legally.

The people you are mad at won’t be at the front of the line. This isn’t Medieval England where we can expect Obama, in full armor, riding a stallion across the front lines. In fact, we know he’ll be hiding, along with Reid and Pelosi and the rest in a bunker. Or out of the city by helicopter- just in case. Or the Secret Service will have such a ring around him and armed force couldn’t get through. And when the shooting stops, they will come out, proclaim their leadership and do more damage to the country… and you and the police officers you faced will still be dead.

Just dead.

This isn’t Selma, and we aren’t MLK. The conclusions reached by a good number of people in this nation- after years of manipulation by the progressives- is guns are bad. Having a hundred police dead, along with a thousand protestors and Obama saying that very thing in an address to the nation the next night will not help.

archer52 on May 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Match has finished ,it was a draw.
I don’t usually comment on laws that don’t effect me.
Broadly speaking and reading here i get the impression that the gun control laws that are in place in the U.S are not fully implemented.
I don’t whether that means lax.

There is a difference between the gun control law’s being strict ,in comparison to us,no and the enforcement of them being lax.

If you have a populous that wants and can be armed with multiple weapon’s,when gun’s can be marketed at children and all this come’s under ‘law abiding citizen’ then i would not think U.S gun control laws are strict or lax,i would say irrelevant .

I am a women why would you think i could give a one word answer.

mags on May 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

mags on May 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Not to interrupt your exchange with our rogerb, but I’d be interested on your thoughts about other’s comments above and mine.

I’m also struck by the manner in which you say “we” when referring to the gun control issue in the UK as if you were monolithic on the subject.

The main point is we don’t have,want or feel the need to have so much personal weaponary

mags on May 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM

You have many groups trying to get your gun rights back.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Van-loads of armed “Patriots” h’mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmit just gets better and better…

also easier to stop and arrest 100 people in 12 groups, not enough media…

No, no, no! It would have to be 100 or more in EACH group. Kokesh and his merry band would attempt his march over the bridge where they would predictably be met by every law enforcement agency in the area. Meantime, other LARGE groups would overwhelm the city from all directions. They would all march toward one destination once on the ground. A big forward group of UNARMED protesters would already be in place with flags, banners, signs, etc.

PaddyORyan on May 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

…i get the impression that the gun control laws that are in place in the U.S are not fully implemented.
I don’t whether that means lax.
 
There is a difference between the gun control law’s being strict ,in comparison to us,no and the enforcement of them being lax.

 
I was ready to mark you down for “US = lax” until
 

If you have a populous that wants and can be armed with multiple weapon’s,when gun’s can be marketed at children and all this come’s under ‘law abiding citizen’ then i would not think U.S gun control laws are strict or lax,i would say irrelevant
 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

 
Am I understanding you correctly that you are suggesting gun control in the US is less than lax? That it’s in some other category entirely?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 11:39 AM

No, no, no! It would have to be 100 or more in EACH group. Kokesh and his merry band would attempt his march over the bridge where they would predictably be met by every law enforcement agency in the area. Meantime, other LARGE groups would overwhelm the city from all directions. They would all march toward one destination once on the ground. A big forward group of UNARMED protesters would already be in place with flags, banners, signs, etc.

PaddyORyan on May 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Well you get right on that would you Trotsky, you and Stalin organize this “uprising”…

Don’t forget to throw in the Unicorns leading the parade(s).

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I don’t accuse Paddy of being a COMMUNIST, so much as I accuse him/her of being a fabulist…so under Paddy’s “plan” we have:
1) Kokesh marching;
2) Individual groups of 8-12 vans, each carrying 100 “patriots”; PLUS
3) The Unarmed Forward group….

All I can say Paddy good luck organizing your battalion-sized operation…would you forward me the Five Paragraph Field Order for it?

Not that I am a police “snitch” but I would enjoy perusing it, especially the Command & Control Paragraphs and the Communications sections…..

Oh and BTW, even the unarmed forward group will need a permit, I believe in DC….

I apologize to Paddy if I have been taken in by a “Modest Proposal” here.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 12:11 PM

The mistake would be to enter DC over one bridge. They need to divide up and enter from multiple directions. A dozen vans could deliver over a hundred patriots to the White House, the Capitol or anywhere in the city. They shouldn’t attempt unless they have over a thousand participants.

PaddyORyan on May 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I wouldn’t even dream of this with less than FIVE thousand. DC has more security than a regular city that size, for reasons which should be as obvious as all hell to anyone here. They’ve put down welfare class unrest in the ~1000-body range more than a few times, and the libtard media hasn’t reported the half of them.

Also, don’t send everyone via one type of transportation. Even the dumbest fed screen-watcher will notice a couple dozen vans all converging on DC. Flying in by civilian air is right out, subway and bus maybe. And if there’s any viable water transportation (I honestly don’t know) consider that too.

MelonCollie on May 5, 2013 at 12:30 PM

We feel if we act like that then the criminals have won because they are having this effect of making us live in fear.
Totally personal account.I respect your second amendment right

mags on May 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Do you still have police?

Don’t answer.

CW on May 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I hope all you posters are being sarc with your advice. Almost all the advice I’ve seen so far is really really stupid. I hope this is all a joke. If they take your advice and try to pull this off, there will be hell to pay for the rest of us. The government, napi, and obama are paranoid enough without this kind of nonsense.

Old Country Boy on May 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I still do not think this would be effective unless tens of thousands participated…too many to be confronted and stopped.

JIMV on May 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Am I understanding you correctly that you are suggesting gun control in the US is less than lax? That it’s in some other category entirely?

You asked me my mate,
The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
What definition of ‘control’ are you using. It’s like me saying i am on birth control but i have 20 kids.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I will reply shortly Manchester United are playing Chelsea

mags on May 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM

There is a difference between the gun control law’s being strict ,in comparison to us,no and the enforcement of them being lax.

 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

 
I’ll check back in when I can, but, in addition to my question above, I have one more to ponder:
 
Let’s briefly set aside the Constitution for the sake of our discussion.
 
Assuming the US were to legislate, reduce the volume of legally held guns, and vigorously enforce gun and ammunition control laws as is done in the UK, and given twenty years for the results to exhibit themselves:
 
Do you think the US could achieve results similar to the UK’s commendable “firearms are used in <1% of all recorded crime" status?

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

If anyone would take a second to research the origin of this march, it was being planned here several months ago:

https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Prepare-to-Take-America-Back/350771908311178?fref=ts

they claim to working with LE and the military to make it happen.

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
What definition of ‘control’ are you using. It’s like me saying i am on birth control but i have 20 kids.
 
mags on May 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM

 
Good timing. We were typing at the same time.
 
So it’s worse than lax. Thanks for the response. I look forward to your view on my last question.

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

they claim to working with LE and the military to make it happen.

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I honestly don’t know wether to call that smart to prevent any misunderstandings or incredibly stupid because they’ll know exactly how to disrupt it.

MelonCollie on May 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

point is hot air is not telling you the whole story…

why?

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

they claim to working with LE and the military to make it happen.

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

So long as it’s an ARMED march, they can claim to be working with LE and the “military” (And why the Military, they aren’t in the Law Enforcement business in DC at all) all you want…it’s still an ILLEGAL march…

Jefferson Davis tried working with Lincoln on the South s3ceding…working from diametrically opposed positions doesn’t produce anything….

Bottom-Line: it would be illegal to march in DC like this…right now…and Taking America Back can:
1) Not March;
2) Not March ARMED; or
3) Seek to change DC’s laws.

But barring those three things, nothing good or productive is going to come from the talks….

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

OK, Kokesh is a Troofer that’s all I need to know…so anyone, Ed or Paddy or anyone else who wants to follow this whack-job, drive on…

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

they claim to working with LE and the military to make it happen.

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

If by working with you mean being laughed at and investigated, then I think this probable.

danielreyes on May 5, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Also, don’t send everyone via one type of transportation. Even the dumbest fed screen-watcher will notice a couple dozen vans all converging on DC. Flying in by civilian air is right out, subway and bus maybe. And if there’s any viable water transportation (I honestly don’t know) consider that too.

MelonCollie on May 5, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Humvees. That’s only really manly way to make a point that doesn’t need to be made.

But if I were making the movie, I would use Rose Parade floats.

danielreyes on May 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM

But if I were making the movie, I would use Rose Parade floats.

danielreyes on May 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM

As a suggestion…did you ever see the movie Animal House?

Possibly that float…dozens of them…no one would suspect, I am sure…

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

So long as it’s an ARMED march, they can claim to be working with LE and the “military” (And why the Military, they aren’t in the Law Enforcement business in DC at all) all you want…it’s still an ILLEGAL march…

Jefferson Davis tried working with Lincoln on the South s3ceding…working from diametrically opposed positions doesn’t produce anything….

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Not to mention that some situations simply cannot be allowed, no matter how much you may want to. I’m sure some of those LEO’s are sympathetic, but they simply can’t let a whole bunch of openly-armed private citizens stage a march in the nation’s capital. Likewise, Lincoln might well have wanted to let Racistland leave, suffer their inevitable social/economic collapse and THEN kick their tails, but a standing POTUS simply cannot let states leave because they say “mother may I”.

MelonCollie on May 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

I am not an advocate of this march just pointing out that hot air missed a big part of this story and you might want to look into it yourselves – rather than be spoon-fed bad journalism…

Here is a critique of the march posted on March 23, no mention of hot air’s patsy, Kokesh

http://dcclothesline.com/2013/03/23/is-it-time-to-organize-the-revolution-part-2-an-action-plan/

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 8:21 AM

The ban on the private possession of handguns in Great Britain came
into effect in two stages. A Conservative Government banned all large-calibre handguns from July 1, 1997, with a period up to the end of September, in which all such guns had to be handed to the police.
Following a general election in May 1997, the Labour Government extended the ban to all small-calibre handguns, which had to be handed in before the end of February 1998.
More than 162,000 handguns and 700 tonnes of ammunition was handed in. More than £UK80 million was paid in compensation and the cost of the confiscation scheme to police and government cost tens of millions more.
It was bi partison ,Tony Blair was voted in to continue the policy. So i wouldn’t say it was forced down law abiding citizen’s throat
There was a peak in gun crime in 2003 as implementation was beginning and then it’s dropped to 0.3% ,low murder rates ,violent crime is down.There has been no further school shootings.

There may well be another one but at least we know we have made it harder.
I agree it was an emotive response but so it should of been,the Queen’s expression very nearly changed

You can own guns for sports,hunting and shooting and there are organisation’s like the countryside alliance and these,
http://firearmsuk.wordpress.com/

I wouldn’t say there is a majority that wants to own handguns .As in the U.S there may be different view’s but there has to be a will and majority to change.Honestly it isn’t a huge issue here

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44376

Non of the main parties run on any change in gun policy

I am not blindly defending the U.K gun control it’s just when either side drag us it to it they use outdated or wrong statistic’s on correction i for some reason turn into King George and 1776 is somehow relevant,when it means nothing to us(too many colonial wars to learn)
We might share some history and the same language but we are different.Discuss our views on guns but don’ t claim that it means we hate freedom,love tyranny

Again i respect your right to bear arms and understand how deep that goes into your fabric and identity.

mags on May 5, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Who cares if it mentions Kokesh or not…it’s STILL an illegal, armed march on DC….

I don’t care if Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter were leading the march! It would still be a bad idea.

JFKY on May 5, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I don’t know if anyone has read Washington Times reporter Emily Miller’s journey to get a gun in D.C. but I think an armed march is a really bad idea. I’m not sure the city is coming around to the Second Amendment, but it’s a lead pipe cinch they are not ready for this stunt.

Cindy Munford on May 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM


Adam Kokesh, Medea Benjamin & Far Left Loons Slammed to Ground & Arrested After Holding Illegal Dance Protest

That name rang a bell. Kokesh and Code Pink have demonstrated together at least once at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC.

OxyCon on May 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

JFKY, my point in posting has nothing to do with this march. It is concerning that hot air “breaks” a story that broke a month and a half ago and they missed most of the story when they reported what was on their limited radar. Live and learn, or don’t.

Ed Graef on May 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

mags on May 5, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Edward Fox made quite the impassioned fight against your control. I am heading out. Wish I had more time.

I would crack a joke about you folks being lucky your soccer hooligans can’t get guns, but I see in the news where one of our school players in Utah killed a ref with a punch.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM

And although I’m pretty familiar with the history of your gun control mags, I was just interested if you knew how many law abiding citizens gave up their property during your confiscation program. But thank you for taking the time.

hawkdriver on May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Assuming the US were to legislate, reduce the volume of legally held guns, and vigorously enforce gun and ammunition control laws as is done in the UK, and given twenty years for the results to exhibit themselves:
 
Do you think the US could achieve results similar to the UK’s commendable “firearms are used in <1% of all recorded crime" status?
 
rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

 
mags, still waiting.

rogerb on May 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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