Reid: We’re gonna need a lot more ObamaCare money to stop the train wreck

posted at 12:01 pm on May 2, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Old and busted: ObamaCare is no “train wreck,” no matter what one of its authors says nowNew hotness: Give us more money to head off this train wreck!

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says he shares colleagues’ concerns that the Affordable Care Act could become a “train wreck” if it’s not implemented properly.

Reid warned that people will not be able to choose health insurance plans on government health exchanges if federal authorities lack the resources to set them up and educate the public.

“Max said unless we implement this properly it’s going to be a train wreck and I agree with him,” Reid said, echoing a warning delivered last month by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare. “Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.

Well, the Senate has had three years to properly budget for the ObamaCare implementation. Did Reid and his Senate Budget Committee majority build enough spending into the last three budgets to cover that? Oh, wait — Reid and his Senate majority never bothered to produce a budget at all! So whose fault is it that Reid doesn’t have the cash now?

And also, didn’t ObamaCare have a whole trainload of taxes included in the bill?  Remember, Democrats insisted that it would not create any deficit spending in the first decade, and that front-loading the taxes would provide the necessary lift for proper implementation.  Now they’re claiming poverty as a reason the ACA is running off the rails.

By the way, Reid’s admission reveals that Barack Obama’s answer yesterday at the press conference on ObamaCare was entirely misinformed, no?  That’s certainly my conclusion in my column for The Fiscal Times:

“For the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance,” Obama helpfully informed his audience, “they’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.” Insisting that the implementation has already been accomplished for the already-insured, Obama claimed, “Now they don’t have to worry about anything else.”

Nonsense, scoffed Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler. “There are a variety of studies and reports that suggest that, beyond those groups, some 10 million people face the prospect of losing their current health care,” Kessler said in rebuttal to the President’s remarks.

University of Chicago study shows that nearly half of existing individual plans (as opposed to employer-provided group plans) will not qualify under Obamacare mandates for coverage. This means that these already-insured Americans will have to start shopping around again and spend more–25 percent more  or even worse. In Oregon, one insurer is applying for a 53 percent increase in individual-plan premiums in order to bring their insurance into compliance with the ACA, including the pre-existing condition mandate. …

Besides, the people who really need to worry are those about to be thrown onto the individual market.  Employers are looking for ways to reduce existing employees to part-time status in order to duck the mandate to provide subsidized group insurance.  NPR reported this week on the business trend, which would save costs to the company but massively increase costs for Obamacare thanks to its system of subsidizing individual plan purchases through the ACA exchanges.

Investors Business Daily reached the same conclusion:

At his press conference this week, President Obama tried to reassure Americans about ObamaCare. Instead, he displayed either an incredible lack of understanding about his own law, or something far worse. …

But almost nothing he said in defense of ObamaCare was accurate. Among his statements:

“A huge chunk of it’s already been implemented.”

In fact, all that’s been implemented so far are a few PR-friendly changes like a mandate to cover children up to age 26 and a more generous Medicare drug benefit.

Democrats put off the bulk of the law — the massive market regulations, the government-run exchanges, mandates to buy coverage, and various taxes and fees—until 2014, both to hide its true costs and to avoid any unpleasantness before the 2012 elections.

If you want to see where the train wreck will take place, read Josh Kraushaar’s piece on how ObamaCare will likely become the Democratic Party’s Iraq War:

Support for the war dropped as officials struggled to implement nation-building after the fall of Saddam Hussein. As casualties piled up and the violence worsened, the fringe position of the liberal base gradually became more palatable. No longer were war-critiquing Democrats seen as soft on national security. In the 2006 midterms, Democrats effectively campaigned on an anti-war message to take back the majority in the House and Senate for the first time in 12 years, capitalizing on war weariness. Eventually a number of Republicans split from the party to save their political hide.

While the debate over Obama’s health care law isn’t a life-or-death battle, health care affects voter livelihood (and their voting decisions) like few other issues do. And there are clear signs that if premiums go up, businesses are forced to change how they insure their employees, and implementation of the law is uneven, the potential for political consequences are significant. In the 2010 midterms, Democrats suffered a historic landslide when the debate over health care was abstract. The stakes could be even higher when voters have first-hand experience with its effects. (Just look at the fevered reaction from Hill staffers affected by the law for a sampling of how intense voter anger could become.)

In both examples, the presidential sales pitch ended up being overhyped, with promises made that couldn’t realistically be achieved. At its heart, the mission to oust Saddam Hussein was about preventing a dangerous tyrant from using weapons of mass destruction – but administration officials advocated everything from democracy promotion to preventing an alliance between Iraq and al-Qaida as part of its overall argument. When events turned south, failure to achieve many of the items on the checklist proved politically embarrassing.

Obama’s health care law was designed to expand access to the uninsured. It’s a noble goal, if not necessarily a smart political priority. (It’s more popular to advocate for improved health care, not expanded access.) But to win support for the law, Obama claimed it would lower costs, improve the quality of care and not force anyone off their current health care plan. That’s not shaping up to be the case. Premiums are rising, employer uncertainty is growing and voters aren’t viewing the law favorably – with many not even aware of the frontloaded benefits already in place. And even on the access side, the law of unintended consequences is kicking in: Some large retail companies are cutting back employee hours so they won’t have to offer health insurance. That’s not good for the economy or health care access.

Democrats own this train wreck entirely — even if the top Democrat insists that the train is chugging along and all the passengers are happy travelers.


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DOOMED!

kirkill on May 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Bullet train to catastrophe!

trs on May 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

But, but… it was supposed to lower the deficit! Be revenue neutral! Gosh darn it, we passed the bill and now we are finding out what is in it!

Vanceone on May 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Repeal and then resign Harry.

meci on May 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

No more money for that disgusting money eating monster. The Democrats screwed this up so badly that we’ll never recover from it.

rplat on May 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Why is Harry talking about PREVENTING a train wreck ?

It done happened. And we are just rubbernecking at it.

Jabberwock on May 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Cost curve bent.

antipc on May 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The senior pedo from NV can go to Hell then…

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

So when the House Republicans don’t provide more funding for the implementation of Obamacare, it’ll be their fault when it’s a disaster. Is that about right?

supernova on May 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Democrats own this train wreck entirely

Yep, not a single Republican vote. Once the healthcare premiums spike 100% some of those people proudly marching with Pelosi to pass this mess will have some explaining to do.

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

“For the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance,” Obama helpfully informed his audience, “they’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.”

Heh. Benefits…

I do not think that word means what he thinks it means.

trigon on May 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Prior to Obamacare headlines read “45,000 people a year die from lack of health insurance” now, where are the headlines admitting even more will die because of Obamacare.

fourdeucer on May 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Democrats own this train wreck entirely — even if the top Democrat insists that the train is chugging along and all the passengers are happy travelers.

OT: They also own a bunch of bankrupt solar power and electrical car companies.

Another one.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM

STARVE THE BEAST!

In fact, if the GOP had any intention of avoiding the impending collapse of the US economy, they’d cut off all funding for any portion of Obamacare right now. RIGHT NOW.

Harbingeing on May 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM

This worked really well investing in alternative energy and electric cars…Oh wait!

workingclass artist on May 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Train wreck on purpose.
Destroy the old system, blow it up to bits so it can’t be reconstituted and implement a new, single payer system.

rbj on May 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I hate harry red.

VegasRick on May 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Reid: We’re gonna need a lot more ObamaCare money to stop the train wreck
.
Go print up a few trillion more. You’ve done it every other time …..

listens2glenn on May 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

President Obama tried to reassure Americans about ObamaCare. Instead, he displayed either an incredible lack of understanding about his own law, or something far worse.

Call it what is was. King Barry was lying through his teeth.

Again.

GarandFan on May 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Crisis! – built by Democrats…

JoeHanson on May 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

BTW Ed, that’s a GREAT photo for the analogy.

I hope the crew survived.

listens2glenn on May 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Obamacare is the largest wealth distribution scheme in history.

tom daschle concerned on May 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

No worries. Reid will find a way to blame it on Republicans. Or Bush.

Fenris on May 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Democrats own this train wreck entirely — even if the top Democrat insists that the train is chugging along and all the passengers are happy travelers.

The ultimate flaw in Obamacare, really.

When Social Security and Medicare were passed, they were passed along bipartisan lines, with huge majorities. That way, everyone involved had a stake in making sure that follow-up legislation and the inevitably necessary fixes, would happen.

The GOP can wash its hands of this turd sandwich, and laugh while doing so…

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Just called my senator’s office (John Boozman) and gave them a heads up on this. They hadn’t seen it yet. Warned them that Reid was laying the groundwork to blame GOP and push for more money.

Charlemagne on May 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I realized how they are going to play this. Obamacare will still be revenue neutral, the new bills that fund it will be viewed as separate spending entities. Thus what was passed in Obamacare will still be “revenue neutral” just the new spending bills, wont’ be.

Trust me, you’re going to have to buy into this line in a couple of years or be a “unhinged wingnut” who can’t see what everybody else sees: the clothes of the Emperor.

Axeman on May 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

“We’re gonna need a bigger boat.”

Ain’t no boat big enough for that shark, Harry…

Marcola on May 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Obama helpfully informed his audience, “they’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.”

Does he mean like I really have $1 million in my bank account even if I don’t know it?

stukinIL4now on May 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

At this point I almost hope no repeal happens for the short term…

Let Obama and Democrats own this, let them suffer, and most important of all GOP don’t give them more money. Heck maybe Roberts did us all a favor after all, I understand a costly one, but the people of this nation have to learn that progressive ideas are stupid. It is better they learn now than wait 10 to 20 years down the road when everything goes bust.

Short term pain for long term gain….

Plus it will be hard for Obama and the Dems to place on the GOP…It is named ObamaCare!

William Eaton on May 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Don’t worry, Reid. The republicans will figure out a way to bail you out.

LtGenRob on May 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM

What Grandma Reid is really saying is:

In order for us to fully implement our use of force over you, we’ll have to confiscate far more money from you.

And that’s what it’s all about – force and confiscation.

It damn sure isn’t about the People’s health.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

For the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance,” Obama helpfully informed his audience, “they’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.”

Static Analysis: it never fails the Democrats.

As if the set of “people getting health insurance through their employer” cannot change with the conditions.

Axeman on May 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

…Reid needs more money to run the trains of mental patients…being ‘shipped’ to other states!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Obamacare was designed to fail and force single-payer upon us. Get with the program.

goflyers on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Please, Harry…push hard for this. Make it your feature sales pitch for 2014. I’d like a GOP filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and another 60 seats in the House.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Does he mean like I really have $1 million in my bank account even if I don’t know it?

If you only have $1…..that’s more than you need. You need no individual and private savings accounts, you need no personally managed retirement accounts, in fact, you even need not manage your income. Your benevolent government will be glad to relieve you of those burdens, manage your finances for you and take care of all your needs as it sees fit.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 12:28 PM

In related news, 44% of Republicans think an armed revolt “in the next few years” may be necessary to protect our liberties:

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/poll-29-registered-voters-believe-armed-revolution-might-be-necessary

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Obamacare was designed to fail and force single-payer upon us. Get with the program.

Along with eventually seizing all our assets to pay for it and make sure we have no other viable options.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Reid warned that people will not be able to choose health insurance plans on government health exchanges if federal authorities lack the resources…

Like candidate John Kerry: I have a secret plan. Close the White House to school children tours, calulated out to say a millenium or two and assuming a modest inflation rate, and starting as does congress with a pre-boosted baseline…

Don L on May 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

42% don’t even know Obamacare is law.

Before this is over, the lying Jug-Eared wonder will be on TV saying that the GOP passed the bill and that everyone should be pi$$ed with them.

The sad part is, nearly 100% of the 42% would believe him.

BacaDog on May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

In related news, 44% of Republicans think an armed revolt “in the next few years” may be necessary to protect our liberties:

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/poll-29-registered-voters-believe-armed-revolution-might-be-necessary

The very reason our Leftists must act faster to disarm us in every way possible.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Had to bring this over from the Oregon thread:

It almost seems that the metric is that you can’t really show how much you care unless your program is without merit but you do it anyway because you care so much.

Lily on May 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Well, yeah. How you gonna show you care if there’s no problem? If you fix the problem you can’t show you care.

So, people who actually get things done are heartless, unfeeling Fascists.

You know how you can tell they’re Fascists?

Fascists made the trains run on time.

If Fascists cared, trains would have been unrealiable, and then throwing more govt. money at the train operators- ala Amtrak-would have showed how much they care.

So, efficiency, frugality, and results in govt = Fascism.

questionmark on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

So see- the ultimate in caring? A train WRECK!

questionmark on May 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

While the debate over Obama’s health care law isn’t a life-or-death battle…

Au contraire! It is a FAR bigger life-or-death battle than Iraq ever was…and, if you don’t believe me, then talk to the families of people like Rudi Hargreaves. Then, you’ll get an idea of where this is heading.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I’m beyond sick of these people…

ToddPA on May 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

42% don’t even know Obamacare is law.

Before this is over, the lying Jug-Eared wonder will be on TV saying that the GOP passed the bill and that everyone should be pi$$ed with them.

The sad part is, nearly 100% of the 42% would believe him.

BacaDog on May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Good stuff, BD.

Exhibit A

OhEssYouCowboys on May 2, 2013 at 12:36 PM

In fact, if the GOP had any intention of avoiding the impending collapse of the US economy, they’d cut off all funding for any portion of Obamacare right now. RIGHT NOW.

Harbingeing on May 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The SMART move is to anticipate the collapse and do what we need to do to soften that landing. Like Obamacare, which is at the top of the list of the utterly unsustainable.

Train Wreck Head On (24 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BwwzqNb3g

Paul-Cincy on May 2, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Holy bayam bat signals!

Chuck Schick on May 2, 2013 at 12:36 PM

From D’s and the Left we get:

Old and busted – America shouldn’t be building Nations abroad, we suck at it.

New hotness – We should be doing Nation building at home because we are great at it.

You gots your choices, Lefties: if America sucks at Nation building, that is generic and means the government shouldn’t do it abroad or at home. You can have it one way, or the other, but not both in succession.

And since the Left and D’s were WARNED about Obamacare being a trainwreck as it was BEING MADE, they cannot point the fingers for its failure at anyone else and it is up to the rest of us to make sure that this disaster has a thousand fathers through constant reminders. You on the LEFT wanted to do Nation building at home and the US government sucks at it and for D’s it must be pointed out that it doesn’t matter which party is in power. Both D’s and R’s suck at ‘Nation building’ and should swear off that drug of power and corruption. No good will ever come from it and rivers of blood are always in the final phase… keeping your liberty and life is in the balance.

At the time of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan I called for a bit of fixing up of each place, but not ‘Nation building’ as we suck at it. Physical infrastructure is one thing, societies another and the two are not to be confused abroad or at home. That is the lesson to be learned for those on the Left: power does not bestow competence and governments are the last refuge of the incompetent. Look at the US federal government and point out the vast swaths of competence… because, quite frankly, I can’t see it anywhere. And that amount of power over society in the hands of the power hungry incompetent is a scary thing, indeed.

ajacksonian on May 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare.

Isn’t that interesting? Not one Republican vote, and somehow… it’s all the GOP’s fault that Obamacare is imploding.

And from that same article:

” — it’s not right that we have 50-60 million people … with no health insurance,”

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/297333-reid-says-more-funding-is-needed-to-prevent-healthcare-law-from-becoming-a-train-wreck#ixzz2S9XFhKWJ

Wasn’t it “30 million” back when they were foisting this debacle off on us? Now, it’s double? And we’re not supposed to notice that people who HAD insurance have lost it?

Murf76 on May 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Obamacare was designed to fail and force single-payer upon us. Get with the program.

goflyers on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Of course it was, but failure is a tricky thing and a two edge sword. They wanted it to fail in a slow way, like Social Security has done, so the population would not notice. Not in a spectacular, “we can’t even set up” kind of way. It just screams that progressives and Obama are inept. They promise lots of goodies but they don’t deliver the goodies. It is like promising a drunken mob free beer and then tell them after they followed you all around town….there is no free beer….not good….this is going to turn ugly for them.

William Eaton on May 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM

More band aids on a sucking chest wound.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Hey Ed,
Live Action video #3 up. http://www.liveaction.org/inhuman/investigation-3-phoenix-az/

Really, the way these people talk so casually about something so vile is beyond frightening.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

What Grandma Reid is really saying is:

In order for us to fully implement our use of force over you, we’ll have to confiscate far more money from you.

And that’s what it’s all about – force and confiscation.

It damn sure isn’t about the People’s health.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

lol.. I guess I’m not the only one then with a mental picture of Harry Reid as a prissy, pinch-face, old woman.

Murf76 on May 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

“While the debate over Obama’s health care law isn’t a life-or-death battle,”

Come on Kate, now who’s being naive?

tommyboy on May 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Oh, you already have a piece about it. Never mind.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Heck maybe Roberts did us all a favor after all, I understand a costly one

William Eaton on May 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

That’s always been my theory. After all, the 4 libs just wanted him to say that Congress can mandate commerce so it can regulate it. The limit on Congress stands as an equal ruling to the case that the mandate is a tax for an arbitrary classification.

Axeman on May 2, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare. “Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.

I wish I could believe that the American people would see through this very transparent blame game going on. The blame the Republicans game that is. I have little faith that the majority of the American citizenry is paying attention and when they do all they hear is “it’s those darned Republicans fault!” Since the Republicans never seem to fight back this always sticks.

Perhaps, just perhaps this time these lowinfovos won’t buy it. After all not one R voted for this turkey. It was shoved down our throats by the Dems using a parliamentary sneak attack and these Dems wholly own this mess!

These days I just think that most are too ignorant or biased to see the truth….till it hits them next year anyway.

neyney on May 2, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I say let ObamaDEMcare die a quick death from fiscal starvation. What nerve to ask taxpayers to flush good money after bad down the toilet as if the public was ever in favor of this legislative abomination.

iamsaved on May 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM

I still see a silver lining in the growth of individual plans. Breaking the work-insurance bond is a good thing. Having your health insurance tied to your job has lots of labor-market-distorting side effects. It also distorts the health insurance and provider markets by making it appear free to the consumer.

Having more people on individual plans is the direction we should want things to move. I’d love to see everyone buying individual insurance (with support for low-income.) We could then open that market back up to catastrophic (aka real insurance) plans, and end the idea of first-dollar coverage for routine medical expenses.

HakerA on May 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM

As I wondered in another thread, maybe all this train wreck talk is to lower expectations so the media could declare the implementation went beyond all expectations.

GardenGnome on May 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Don’t worry. McCain, Graham, Peter King, and the rest of The Stupid Party will bail Reid and Obama out on this.

“Oh, I’m scared. I’m going to be called a meany. I have to help the Democrats. Then the Washington Post and MSNBC will like me.”

Battered Republican Syndrome.

The country will start to turn around when someone — from whatever party — gets elected who will understand that because they believe in limited government, the Press and “Opinion Leaders” will never love them — AND WON’T CARE!

FiveG on May 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

R

eid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare. “Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.

What did you do with that 800 billion per year rolled into the baseline budget after the 2009 stimulus. That’s right you squandered it on green energy projects that didn’t have a snowball’s chance in h*ll of surviving. Now you want us to pony up some more money. Call it what it is generational theft.

chemman on May 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

” — it’s not right that we have 50-60 million people … with no health insurance,”
Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/297333-reid-says-more-funding-is-needed-to-prevent-healthcare-law-from-becoming-a-train-wreck#ixzz2S9XFhKWJ

Wasn’t it “30 million” back when they were foisting this debacle off on us? Now, it’s double? And we’re not supposed to notice that people who HAD insurance have lost it?

Murf76 on May 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Well, at the time that “30 million” probably didn’t include the millions of newly minted citizens we’ll be getting with immigration “reform”, which are now being counted as part of that 50-60 million……and growing.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM

They wanted it to fail in a slow way, like Social Security has done, so the population would not notice. Not in a spectacular, “we can’t even set up” kind of way.

William Eaton on May 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Isn’t it kind of funny that APPAC(t)A has all these projected models of efficiency and spending limits in them that they demand insurers and providers meet–and they can’t even set. it. up. without running out of funds or inviting the image of a “train wreck”.

Where do I sign up for more?

Axeman on May 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Oh so this is how Obama, the dems, and the corrupt media will paint the obamacare mess as the Repubs fault. Was wondering what the strategy would be…

Jack_Burton on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

YOU’VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY Ya SLUG!

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

lol.. I guess I’m not the only one then with a mental picture of Harry Reid as a prissy, pinch-face, old woman.

Murf76 on May 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

That’s my first thought, when I see her.

And she’s bitter … a bitter, worn-out, old spinster.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Rudi Hargreaves. Then, you’ll get an idea of where this is heading.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

WOW. Hadn’t heard that story. I have some friends in Wales who were able to get reproductive benefits bcs of where they lived, & some other friends in England could not. All based on their zip code.
I wonder if that situation is comparable.
Whatever the case, the studies already done on the UK & Canada’s systems show the horrid consequences of nationalizing healthcare.
And yet only the spurious stories & outright lies regarding national healthcare get trumpeted by these communists.
The nasty more common stories need to be heard more often.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Yeah, all the democrats that voted for this train wreck – are now inside the train and are panicking….
I say – full stream ahead and let it blow up – with all the democrats inside!!!!

redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Oh so this is how Obama, the dems, and the corrupt media will paint the obamacare mess as the Repubs fault. Was wondering what the strategy would be…

Jack_Burton on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

EXACTLY.
Just like a petulant teenager who blames their parents for any mess they get in.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 1:01 PM

YOU’VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY Ya SLUG!

Not really…..as long as just one of us has some change under the sofa cushion, we have too much and he hasn’t got enough….of our money…..HE and his ilk want it ALL!!!!

They already believe all we have, and us, are theirs to control, and they keep working toward that end.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Can’t wait for the Ted Cruz filibuster on trying to raise taxes to stop the train wreck…..

redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:03 PM

EXACTLY.
Just like a petulant teenager who blames their parents for any mess they get in.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 1:01 PM

heh, you must know my 16 year old teenage son!!!!
I had to get him out of juvie hall again – this time for fighting at school….
Just one week after he got a ticket for pot possession…
it’s all my fault….

redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:04 PM

“You’ve got to vote for it before you find out what’s in it.”

———— Nanzi Pelosi, famous TV host, Tales of the Crypt

“The problem with Liberalism is they eventually run out of other people’s money.”

—– Lady Margaret Thatcher, great leader and ally of Ronaldus Magnus

viking01 on May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Let the train wreck…it’s time for “we the idiots” to pay the price of electing liberals.

cajunpatriot on May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

YOU’VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY Ya SLUG!

That’s just it – the progressives will never have enough!!!
Even after they have taken all of yours and then some!!!

redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM

How about we make POLITICIANS legally responsible for the damage THEY cause?

Like going after the NFL for head injuries.

Like going after car makers for auto defects/recalls/deaths.

Like going after tobacco companies for making cigarettes.

Let’s hold THEM to the same standard. How many would be in jail?

PappyD61 on May 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Let the train wreck…it’s time for “we the idiots” to pay the price of electing liberals.

cajunpatriot on May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I have never voted for those idiots!!!

redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM

It was a train wreck the night it was rammed through Congress…let the Progs own it.

d1carter on May 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Let the train wreck…it’s time for “we the idiots” to pay the price of electing liberals.

cajunpatriot on May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Just in time for November 2014?

Why I’m reporting you to the Palm Beach sheriff’s office.

PappyD61 on May 2, 2013 at 1:07 PM

YOU’VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY Ya SLUG!

That’s just it – the progressives will never have enough!!!
Even after they have taken all of yours and then some!!!

As we’ve seen with the likes of Reid, Bloomberg, et al, they want to completely micromanage and dictate our lives. We mere mortals are not capable enough to do for ourselves what they insist on doing to us.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM
redguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I hear ya both, but sometimes you just gotta vent. Felt good too.

Serenity now!

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM

WOW. Hadn’t heard that story. I have some friends in Wales who were able to get reproductive benefits bcs of where they lived, & some other friends in England could not. All based on their zip code.
I wonder if that situation is comparable.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The NHS claimed it was ‘experimental surgery’ and there was ‘insufficient supporting information’ that the surgery would work; yet, in 2006, Carol Davis, a diabetic, was the first person to have a gastric pacemaker fitted and another diabetic, Margaret Burns, from Liverpool, received her gastric pacemaker less than 2 years later. So, it wasn’t exactly “experimental” and, at least, 50 gastric pacemakers had been implanted – even for gastroparesisBEFORE Rudi Hargreaves, a 22 year-old healthy, productive, young woman was stricken with the condition.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Any additional funding should come right out of your salary, bank account, assets and retirement, you fool.

rjoco1 on May 2, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I hear ya both, but sometimes you just gotta vent. Felt good too.

Serenity now!

With them serenity is only possible with full assimilation and submission. And not guaranteed, even then.

Sometimes, I think they fully intend to push the limits to see how far they can go till open rebellion is sparked and they probably wouldn’t mind. That would just be a fine justification for implementing nationwide martial law, seizure of private firearms, arresting “enemies of the state” and indefinite suspensions of our rights.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM

…Reid needs more money to run the trains of mental patients…being ‘shipped’ to other states!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Well, “officially,” they’ve reversed that policy. But with a high-speed rail line like California’s, who knows?

Of course, with a high-speed rail line like California’s (coming soon at a currently estimated cost of $68.4 billion, but check back tomorrow), they’ll barely make it from one county to the next.

One reason Reid and the Feds lack the money to implement the state exchanges mandated by Obamacare (those not set up by the states themselves) is because they also lack the authority. Somebody forgot to stick that in the bill.

de rigueur on May 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Obviously their only out is to blame the Republicans for lack of funding and as dumb as America is, it may work.

DDay on May 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM

…like a mandate to cover children up to age 26…

For the life of me, I cannot understand why these folks keeping referring 26 years old as children. They are adults! When I was 26, I was well into my second enlistment in the military.

But, then again, liberals love to treat adults like children, and children like adults.

Gothguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM

“Hello John, this is Harry. Hey why don’t we have lunch? Bring the House Checkbook”.

Whiterock on May 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM

For the life of me, I cannot understand why these folks keeping referring 26 years old as children. They are adults! When I was 26, I was well into my second enlistment in the military.

But, then again, liberals love to treat adults like children, and children like adults.

Gothguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM

When my dad was 19, he’d made beachheads in the Marshall Islands, Guam, Saipan, Tinian, Leyte, Luzon and Iwo Jima – as a Corpsman.

I agree with you – 100%

[That's Corpseman, if you're a Commie]

OhEssYouCowboys on May 2, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Just let Bernanke pay for it. We’ll probably be paying $7 a gallon for gas, but you can just blame oil speculators for the increase.

rickv404 on May 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Senate Ayes; 58 D, 2 I
Senate Noes; 39 R
House Ayes; 219 D
House Noes; 178 R, 34 D
Signed into law; 1 M

Sorry Harry, you pigs went all in and and filled the boiler with coal, no way you’re getting off this ride.

antipc on May 2, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Free ain’t as cheap as it used to be.

BlueCollarAstronaut on May 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Don’t worry. McCain, Graham, Peter King, and the rest of The Stupid Party will bail Reid and Obama out on this.

“Oh, I’m scared. I’m going to be called a meany. I have to help the Democrats. Then the Washington Post and MSNBC will like me.”

Battered Republican Syndrome.

The country will start to turn around when someone — from whatever party — gets elected who will understand that because they believe in limited government, the Press and “Opinion Leaders” will never love them — AND WON’T CARE!

FiveG on May 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Not on this issue, which is what gave them the House in the 2010 elections. Republicans can tell voters “We told you ObamaCare would increase your taxes and health care costs, and we tried to repeal it, now give us a Senate majority and we will repeal it!”

Republicans just need to tell voters that Obama sold them a false promise that he didn’t have the money to pay for, and that he’s robbing Medicare to pay for it.

Ed–you need to change the photo for the “train wreck”. The CSX rail company is not to blame for ObamaCare, and might not appreciate the adverse publicity. Or maybe you can photoshop the name out of the phot.

Steve Z on May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM

For the life of me, I cannot understand why these folks keeping referring 26 years old as children. They are adults! When I was 26, I was well into my second enlistment in the military.

But, then again, liberals love to treat adults like children, and children like adults.

Gothguy on May 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Isn’t it just insane? You’re going to call someone well past old enough to be married with kids that they’re a child?

MelonCollie on May 2, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Isn’t it just insane? You’re going to call someone well past old enough to be married with kids that they’re a child?
MelonCollie on May 2, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Under socialism everyone is a child and big brother is the only parent.

tommyboy on May 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Under socialism everyone is a child and big brother is the only parent.

True.

hawkeye54 on May 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Heh, train-wreck – perfectly describes this administration and its policies.

jimver on May 2, 2013 at 2:40 PM

It’s all going to be the Republican’s fault for not funding the SOBamacare – rather than the rat-eared infested Congress that voted for it so that they could find out what was in it.

stuartm80127 on May 2, 2013 at 2:42 PM

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