Giuliani: Charge Tsarnaev accomplices in MIT officer’s death, too

posted at 3:21 pm on May 2, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Before Rudy Giuliani became “America’s Mayor” in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, he spent years as a federal prosecutor. Today on CNN, Giuliani brought that perspective to bear on the case of the three after-the-fact accomplices of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, expressing considerable skepticism about their motives in this case. Whatever the motives, Giuliani argues, the fact that they hid evidence rather than reported it cost one police officer his life — and they should be charged as conspirators in that crime:

“These three young men could have prevented the death of Officer Collier, probably,” said Giuliani on CNN’s “Starting Point.”

“They were aware by 6, 7 o’clock that night that these two guys were the bombers. If they had done what decent young men should do, which is call the police, given the focus of that investigation, given the number of resources the FBI had brought, the Boston police, given how effective they were investigating, they would have gotten these guys in an hour or two,” he continued. …

“I would charge as predicate acts of conspiracy the murder of officer Collier, the shooting of the other officer and the kidnapping all of which were foreseeable consequences of them joining a conspiracy to help those guys flee,” he continued. “That’s what they are joining right?”

“I’d be seeking 20, 30 years in jail,” Giuliani added.

Giuliani also expresses considerable skepticism, as I have felt since the arrest, that these three just pitched in to help a buddy in trouble.  Their buddy had just killed an eight-year-old boy along with two others, wounded more than 250 others, and was LOLing them back when asked about it.  They could have at that point cut ties and called the FBI; when asked about it later, they could have told the truth about what they had done.  At least the former and perhaps the latter might have led them to capture the Tsarnaevs alive before they had an opportunity to kill and wound anyone else, and if they had, Sean Collier would be alive now.

The “after the fact” presumes that the bombing was the only crime committed.  It wasn’t, and Giuliani has a very good point here. Allow me to make an argument for deterrence that builds on his.  In the future, anyone tempted to help out a suspect in a case like this would understand that they wouldn’t only risk being charged with obstruction of justice, but also of complicity in any further crimes allowed by their interference. Hopefully, the Department of Justice takes this advice from the prosecutor who helped break the Mob.

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No sympathy for these scum. They deserve whatever they get.

rbj on May 2, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Absolutely.

You hide, collude, or support terrorists, then you should be room temperature.

portlandon on May 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Sounds good, Rudy, but they are still low hanging fruit; need to get to the financiers, trainers, and spiritual advisors.

Tripwhipper on May 2, 2013 at 3:27 PM

sesqui, you gleeful fool, the black kid wasn’t shown at all yesterday, just a blur with his name. Suppose he’s more equal than the others, just because he’s black?

Leftism is not only idiocy pure, it is a mental disorder of enormous proportions.

Giuliani is right but they all will go almost free. Holder will see to it.

Schadenfreude on May 2, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Heck, if these “college pranksters of no particular religious bent” had done the right thing, their buddy’s brother might still be alive today. Joker wouldn’t have run over him in his zeal to escape.

Lily on May 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM

A police officer died because they were helping the killers rather than helping us end the killing. For that they are forever responsible for the outcome of their choices and should spend considerable time in prison before being deported.

HotAirian on May 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM

THIS justice department is on top of it. Rest easy.

Sugar Land on May 2, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Giuliani: Charge Tsarnaev accomplices in MIT officer’s death, too

So that these Hazmat and Kadri dudes can go on to become professors in some university too ?
Do you even know Mr Mayor how much their demand will go up in the ivy league circuit if these 2 illegal alien khazaks in addition to being proven jihadies also turn out to be cop-killers ? They’ll get invited to party with the Mooch, JayZ will rap about them , Beyonce will shake her bootay for them, they might even hold fundraisers for the next POTUS !!
C’mon Mr Mayor …I mean …c’mon
;-)

burrata on May 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM

They knew before the first deaths. How else would they know what to throw away?

Ronnie on May 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Heck, if these “college pranksters of no particular religious bent” had done the right thing, their buddy’s brother might still be alive today. Joker wouldn’t have run over him in his zeal to escape.

Lily on May 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM

They should be charged for his death too.

cptacek on May 2, 2013 at 3:45 PM

The solution is to have a different Attorney General, like maybe Guiliani himself. Incompetence, especially ideologically driven incompetence, is a bad thing in an AG.

If only the election had turned out differently…

MTF on May 2, 2013 at 3:47 PM

They knew before April 15TH charge them as co-conspirators.

meci on May 2, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If indeed it’s true they were fully aware of what their pal had done – and were then making efforts to help conceal his involvement (and from what’s been reported, it seems that’s the case) – the, Rudy is largely correct here.
It’s hard to imagine what their defense could be here…that they ‘panicked’ or were ‘scared and confused’?
Everyone was aware of the enormity and depravity of the crime that had taken place. To not have made a call at that point…because he was their ‘friend’?
David Kaczynski turned in his own brother – because he was ‘morally compelled’ to do so.

verbaluce on May 2, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Giuliani: Charge Tsarnaev accomplices in MIT officer’s death, too

F*ck*in A right!

ToddPA on May 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM

If these guys get off they should unhang Mary Surratt.

Knott Buyinit on May 2, 2013 at 3:56 PM

We should listen to Rudy here. He had success bringing down many organized crime figures. Plus he scared the crap out of some a-hole Saudi king.

birdwatcher on May 2, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Guiliani, the hell you say! That crap may fly in the police state of NY, but not in America among the low info. voter. These good liberals are just what the future democratic party is looking for, in the Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dorn types. These are the future leaders of the democratic party and admin.and the new MexiAmerica. They may very well be our future Secy. Of Stae, Defense Sec., and even POTUS, esp. if they had raped a few women along the way and voted to kill babies.

they lie on May 2, 2013 at 3:57 PM

They will be charged, it’s all in the process. Dangle a few charges in front of them to get them to talk and implicate whoever else may be involved. Once they have nothing left to offer, all the rest of the charges will be dumped on them. They are going away for decades.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM

These two will eventually be mentored by Ayers, the guy who is lals with you know who.

Bishop on May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Guiliani is right.

Eric Holder should be duly advised that the American people take a dim view of terrorists and make little distinction between those who plan and commit terrorist acts and those who aid and abet the terrorist before, during, or after the fact and will take a dim view of any public servant who fails to prosecute any of the aforementioned to the fullest extent of the law.

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 4:07 PM

They knew before the first deaths. How else would they know what to throw away?

Ronnie

Good point and not without merit. From what they are saying they seem to have specific ideas what to dispose of. In addition, did anyone else think they were just a little too organized in their action than should have been expected of just a coupla “good friends” trying to help a buddy?

At the very least, their willingness to hide/destroy property reflects a reckless disregard for the enormity of what their friend had done. What the hell are our colleges teaching these days???

The first lawyer who encourages their client to roll over on the others will be doing their client the most good.

There’s more here and what we already know stinks.

E9RET on May 2, 2013 at 4:11 PM

has information been released as to the phone tips and such after the fbi released the photos thurs afternoon? i’d be interested to know if anyone called and gave them those names before they went on another murder spree that nite.

chasdal on May 2, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The solution is to have a different Attorney General, like maybe Guiliani himself. Incompetence, especially ideologically driven incompetence, is a bad thing in an AG.

Yeah, the guy who named Bernie Kerik (federal inmate # 84888-054) to head Homeland Security.

The guy who put his emergency command center in 7 WTC.. right across the street from the WTC.. the place previously attacked, and which had to be evacuated 30 minutes into 9/11.

He was also famous for leading a bunch of Wall St. guys out in handcuffs, and I don’t think a single one of them was found guilty of anything (unlike his police commissioner, Kerik).

And who can forget when he told his wife he wanted a divorce via a press conference – and after she kicked him out of the house (Gracie Mansion), he was put up by a lifelong friend (who was gay, and living with a partner).

But Giuliani, being the class guy that he is, then refused to attend their wedding, because he had that wet dream of being president, or A.G.

inklake on May 2, 2013 at 4:36 PM

“I would charge as predicate acts of conspiracy the murder of officer Collier, the shooting of the other officer and the kidnapping all of which were foreseeable consequences of them joining a conspiracy to help those guys flee,” he continued.

Yep. I’d add treason for the citizen, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 2, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Throw the book at all 3, then after serving sentence, DEPORT the moron who overstayed his student visa…

Khun Joe on May 2, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Unfortunately, this Department of Justice is so politicized that it doesn’t have the faintest idea what might be right or wrong.

All of these suspects should have been declared enemy combatants and force fed bacon, pork chops, ham, sausage, grease, ham hocks, and be subject to enhanced interrogation under the Bush rules.

Once they confess, they should be executed so they can enjoy whatever number of virgin goats they have been promised.

BMF on May 2, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Not that it matters, but the FBI “helped break the Mob.” Rudy was along for the ride. He was widely considered an ego in a suit, not a prosecutor in the image which he cultivates.

He hasn’t changed much.

IndieDogg on May 2, 2013 at 5:16 PM

“I would charge as predicate acts of conspiracy the murder of officer Collier…”

That would never hold up in court, and it probably shouldn’t. Unless a man is actively involved in plotting a murder, or plotting a crime that leads to murder, than that person is not guilty of murder. Whatever these foreign aliens are guilty of, and their guilt needs to proven as of now it’s all hearsay, it’s impossible to say they had information which would have save Collier’s life. A few years ago, I wouldn’t have thought twice about casting a wide net and giving the government free reign to go after terror cases, but seeing how authority has been abused to go after patriotic citizens, I’m reluctant give “the authorities” the benefit of the doubt ever again.

I actually don’t waste time feeling anger and hate toward enemy alien Islamics committing attacks on American soil- this is what Muslims do, I’ve come to accept that. The ones I blame are the people who brought these aliens in to our midst and leave us defenseless against them knowing exactly what it will lead to.

sartana on May 2, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I don’t have enough info personally to have much of an informed opinion on adding charges, but I would tend to agree with him.
however I am somewhat worried my wanting revenge may play a part in that.

dmacleo on May 2, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I believe the term is “Accessory after the fact to Felony Murder”

mojo on May 2, 2013 at 5:42 PM

They are a danger to society and need to be put away for a very long time.

lea on May 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM

If we followed Rudi’s logic on this, we’d end up charging the US Congress with “predicate acts of conspiracy” for setting an immigration policy which settles in the United States, Muslim aliens which, according to a Reuters poll released this week:

Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries…

Which means that, according to this poll, roughly 75% of Muslim immigrants to the US want Sharia instituted as the law of the land. OK, I’m with Rudi on this- but only if we follow his logic through to it’s final conclusion-

The United States Congress is complicit in the conspiracy to commit acts of terror against US citizens.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/new-poll-finds-huge-majorities-in-muslim-world-want-sharia-as-law-of-the-land-in-their-countriesso/question-3665915/?page=2&postId=108162079#post_108162079&link=ibaf&q=&esrc=s

sartana on May 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Not that it matters, but the FBI “helped break the Mob.” Rudy was along for the ride. He was widely considered an ego in a suit, not a prosecutor in the image which he cultivates.

He hasn’t changed much.

Well, he’s changed wives a couple of times.

inklake on May 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Sugar Land nailed it.

Those bombs went off a long time ago…

PoliTech on May 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Well, he’s changed wives a couple of times.

inklake on May 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM

You sound like you are commenting from a Federal pen. Nursing a grudge?

katy the mean old lady on May 2, 2013 at 7:48 PM

As The guys on Ace pointed out last night, they knew enough to try and ditch the Vaseline. Who would think that a jar of Vaseline in a male’s sleeping quarters would be out-of-place enough to need ditching? Someone who knew how to use Vaseline in a bomb, that’s who.

Sekhmet on May 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Jeebus .. Rudy… aren’t your Jack Boots Shinny enough… This GubRmint spends Billions upon Billions on intel and other security hocus pocus…while American are denied liberties and freedoms…. and this is where YOU SEE a crime????

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 3, 2013 at 5:28 AM