Video: “So God made a patriot”

posted at 4:41 pm on May 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Via The Corner, Fred Thompson released a video two weeks ago extolling the virtues of American patriotism. It borrows a bit from Paul Harvey’s “So God made a farmer,” which became perhaps the most popular of this year’s Super Bowl commercials. This video goes on for much longer and it greater detail than the one-minute TV spot, and it features Thompson himself as narrator:

Thompson has recently launched a new website, Fred Thompson’s America, an effort to promote American patriotism, and this video is the first big effort. We haven’t heard much from Thompson of late, but his new effort should be interesting to watch unfold — and this is at least a stirring interlude, if nothing else.

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Mhhh

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:43 PM

We haven’t heard much from Thompson

Feature, not a bug. I loved the idea of him, but he brung McCain. The rest is history abyss.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

“Patriotism is so passé, so yesterday, so old” — Carney

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Is it too late to splice in Cruz and Rand filibustering at the end?

Fallon on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I don’t see any virtue in being patriotic to The State. Is there a quote in the Bible where loyalty to any government is promoted? What is taught in the Bible is to obey God’s commandments. So God didn’t make anyone to be patriotic towards a government. Conservative’s state worship is sick.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Don’t let verba see this, he may faint from all the evil Americana.

Bishop on May 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Mhhh

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:43 PM

“President Barack Obama had better clear this up today, right now. Surely he is just allowing his handlers to throw up this kind of ridiculous, amoral, un-American trial balloon. I call on Obama to address this immediately with the American public, clear it up, and renounce these reports as the nonsense they surely in God’s name must be.

– Sarah Palin

So god made a patriot.

tencole on May 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

“So God made a patriot”

If your a Christian, saying that could get you a court martial in the US armed forces these days.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/01/Breaking-Pentagon-Confirms-Will-Court-Martial-Soldiers-Who-Share-Christian-Faith

CTSherman on May 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I don’t see any virtue in being patriotic to The State. Is there a quote in the Bible where loyalty to any government is promoted? What is taught in the Bible is to obey God’s commandments. So God didn’t make anyone to be patriotic towards a government. Conservative’s state worship is sick.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Agreed. Instead of being patriotic I believe every American should quote Bible passages. If they aren’t Christian then too bad.

Bishop on May 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Do you have all your money in coins and gold bars, under your bed?

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Government insured reverse mortgages?

JR on May 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I’m not sure I get the point of this, but I think it’s “American values = Christian values”

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Conservative’s state worship is sick.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

They don’t worship the state. They just love the idea of America. They hate the gov’t, as they should. It isn’t at all what the founders/constitution had in mind.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I don’t see any virtue in being patriotic to The State. Is there a quote in the Bible where loyalty to any government is promoted? What is taught in the Bible is to obey God’s commandments. So God didn’t make anyone to be patriotic towards a government. Conservative’s state worship is sick.
antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

There is no virtue in state worship. There is virtue in the values that built this state. That’s what patriotism means to conservatives. To libertarians, any value conferred on the state is bad, when the truth is that the state is a tool. When used like other functioning tools, it does wonders.

nobar on May 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

This is really beautiful and timely.

It’s also a huge DIG at our current President with every sentence.

katy on May 1, 2013 at 4:58 PM

What the heck is “conservative state worship?”

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

American patriotism never goes out of style, no matter what liberals say.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:00 PM

What the heck is “conservative state worship?”

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

A personal Oath to the Constitution of the United States.

Which liberals hate.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I don’t see any virtue in being patriotic to The State. Is there a quote in the Bible where loyalty to any government is promoted? What is taught in the Bible is to obey God’s commandments. So God didn’t make anyone to be patriotic towards a government. Conservative’s state worship is sick.
antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

When I joined to the military, I swore an Oath to the Constitution of the United States.

That was the end-all and be-all. And it still holds to this day.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM

A personal Oath to the Constitution of the United States.

Which liberals hate.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Oh I see. Yes, I do ‘worship’ a government that limits its own powers and ensures inalienable God given rights to the people, aka the idea of America. Worship of elected government bureaucrats who dismantle that idea…not so much.

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM

There is no virtue in state worship. There is virtue in the values that built this state. That’s what patriotism means to conservatives. To libertarians, any value conferred on the state is bad, when the truth is that the state is a tool. When used like other functioning tools, it does wonders.
nobar on May 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

The state is an institution run by fallible men therefore it has no virtue. The values that built the US Federal government was distrust of the state and democracy. That’s why the Founders chose to limit its scope and power. That’s why there are the 10 Amendments. If the US Federal government were virtuous, there would be no need to limit its power.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM

My fellow Republicans, we do no man a service by hiding freedom’s light under a bushel of mistaken humility.

IlikedAUH2O on May 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

You got it backwards.

22044 on May 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I owe nothing to, and never swore to, allegiance to the government or to Obama.

My Oath is to the Constitution alone, as stays in my deepest core.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Oh I see. Yes, I do ‘worship’ a government that limits its own powers and ensures inalienable God given rights to the people, aka the idea of America. Worship of elected government bureaucrats who dismantle that idea…not so much.

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Not sure of your point there.

I worship the God of the Christian Bible, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

I revere the Constitution, for I also believe God gave that to Man, through that treasured Document.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:12 PM

President Barack Obama had better clear this up today, right now. Surely he is just allowing his handlers to throw up this kind of ridiculous, amoral, un-American trial balloon. I call on Obama to address this immediately with the American public, clear it up, and renounce these reports as the nonsense they surely in God’s name must be.”

– Sarah Palin

So god made a patriot.

tencole on May 1, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I don’t think Washington ever quit on a job he was given or elected to perform.

IlikedAUH2O on May 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM

What the heck is “conservative state worship?”
Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Here are some good examples:

1. When you get up, salute pledge alliance to government and its symbols.
2. When you sing songs in honor of a government.
3. when you stand and cheer the presence of the government’s war machines.
4. When you volunteer to kill, be killed, or be maimed for the government.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

My father landed on Normandy Beach. Shut your ungrateful a@@ up.

You self-centered idiot.

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I hear if you say “God” on Hotair three times, Pablo Honey shows up and poops on your carpet.

CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

When I joined to the military, I swore an Oath to the Constitution of the United States.
That was the end-all and be-all. And it still holds to this day.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Why would you swear an oath to a piece of parchment? The Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is a dead letter. The Federal government the Founders founded no longer exists. What the Founders created was a (small f) federal government with enumerated powers. What we have today is a national government with innumerable powers. You may think that you swore an oath to the Constitution but I’m reality you swore an oath to serve a government that sees no limit to tax and regulate the people within its jurisdiction.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Dante 2.0 just shows up and poops whether you mention God or not.

CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

LOL! Or Sauerkraut goes into a thread-long soliloquiy.

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Government insured reverse mortgages?

JR on May 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I get your point, now if John Wayne or maybe even Roger Whittaker were narrating the goose bumps would be jumping off my body.

fourdeucer on May 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

My father landed on Normandy Beach. Shut your ungrateful a@@ up.

You self-centered idiot.

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:20 PM

My dad landed in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy.

We had great fathers, men to emulate — true heroes.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Here are some good examples:

1. When you get up, salute pledge alliance to government and its symbols.
2. When you sing songs in honor of a government.
3. when you stand and cheer the presence of the government’s war machines.
4. When you volunteer to kill, be killed, or be maimed for the government.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Government =/= America, American ideals, or the US constitution.

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM

My father landed on Normandy Beach. Shut your ungrateful a@@ up.
You self-centered idiot.
kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I wasn’t the person the person who sent him to fight and potentially die in Normandy. Your father’s service to the Federal government doesn’t give you the right to shut people so I will speak as much as I want (or until Hot Air bans me)

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Why would you swear an oath to a piece of parchment? The Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is a dead letter. The Federal government the Founders founded no longer exists. What the Founders created was a (small f) federal government with enumerated powers. What we have today is a national government with innumerable powers. You may think that you swore an oath to the Constitution but I’m reality you swore an oath to serve a government that sees no limit to tax and regulate the people within its jurisdiction.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I’m a Constitutional Constructionist, who believes in Original Intent.

THAT is the basis of my Conservatism, that alone.

“We have give you a republic, if you can keep it.”
– Benjamin Franklin.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM

I wasn’t the person the person who sent him to fight and potentially die in Normandy. Your father’s service to the Federal government doesn’t give you the right to shut people so I will speak as much as I want (or until Hot Air bans me)

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

What makes you devalue a man you have never met, a man before your time?

Why are YOU so superior?

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Dante 2.0 just shows up and poops whether you mention God or not.
CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Only when it is mentioned within the context of the Federal or any government. I don’t care to see the Almighty to be associated with the corrupt institutions of man.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:32 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

The problem isn’t the Parchment. The framework is a solid foundation of principles, the problem is we the people, we are getting the government we deserve, well some of us are, most here would agree this isn’t what we want for government, but here we are just the same. No, we all must believe in something, most here believe in the core principles set down on that document, and pledge to do what is necessary to ensure that we continue to have the freedoms that it espouses. Your issue isn’t with the document so much as it is with the governing body that is ungoverned.

MarshFox on May 1, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I will speak as much as I want (or until Hot Air bans me)

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

The last bastion of a hateful liberal who would mess up wiping his own butt.

You come across like I recall the kids from grade school: “It’s a free country!”

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM

My father landed on Normandy Beach. Shut your ungrateful a@@ up.

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:20 PM

G_D bless him and his brothers in arms.

oldleprechaun on May 1, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Dante 2.0 just shows up and poops whether you mention God or not.

CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Funny, I’m thinking of Dante as well.

22044 on May 1, 2013 at 5:35 PM

No doubt the millions of illegal aliens who are about to get instant voting rights regardless of citizenship will be moved by this video and appreciate the sacrifices of those citizens who came before them…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2013 at 5:36 PM

What makes you devalue a man you have never met, a man before your time?
Why are YOU so superior?
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I don’t devalue him or the lives of the others who served. In fact, I value their lives more than 99% of the people here. Why? Because if it were up to me it is likely than none a single one of them would have been killed, maimed, or traumatized by fighting in a foreign land. The only way their lives would have been put at risk (if I were in charge) is if the Germans, Italians, or Japanese were staging an invasion of the US mainland. I would have never sent them off to die for other governments.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM

QUESTION:

What the heck is “conservative state worship?”

Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM

ANSWER:

You are a Great American!

-Sean Hannity

sartana on May 1, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Government =/= America, American ideals, or the US constitution.
Jackalope on May 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM

What set of “American Ideals” are shared amongst all 300+ million US citizens? Maybe certain parts of the US may cherish these ideals but for most of the US, the ideals of the French Revolution (particularly egalitarianism) is cherished.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

The last bastion of a hateful liberal who would mess up wiping his own butt.
You come across like I recall the kids from grade school: “It’s a free country!”
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM

The right to speak my mind is an inalienable right given to me by God. Therefore, I will speak as I so chose. Having said that, this is Hot Air’s forum and I don’t possess the right to be heard here. Therefore, they can ban me or erase my comments if they so choose.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Because if it were up to me it is likely than none a single one of them would have been killed, maimed, or traumatized by fighting in a foreign land.

(if I were in charge)

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM

You weren’t in charge back then and, most important, you weren’t alive at the time. My dad there. So was kingjester’s, and also the fathers of every kid with whom I went to school. And my my parents’ friends, as were all our aunts and uncles.

Many of them are deceased now, so you’ll never get to meet them. We, despite your dismissal of them, grew up with them.

Monday-morning quarterbacking has no value, really, even among sports fans.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

The right to speak my mind is an inalienable right given to me by God. Therefore, I will speak as I so chose. Having said that, this is Hot Air’s forum and I don’t possess the right to be heard here. Therefore, they can ban me or erase my comments if they so choose.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

That’s all true.

But you don’t need to be an a$$hole about it, and keep defending being an a$$hole.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:48 PM

kingjester:

Please tell me more about your dad?

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:51 PM

the ideals of the French Revolution (particularly egalitarianism) is cherished.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Yuck!!! Liberté, égalité, fraternité…only the first is worth anything.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 5:55 PM

You weren’t in charge back then and, most important, you weren’t alive at the time. My dad there. So was kingjester’s, and also the fathers of every kid with whom I went to school. And my my parents’ friends, as were all our aunts and uncles.
Many of them are deceased now, so you’ll never get to meet them. We, despite your dismissal of them, grew up with them.
Monday-morning quarterbacking has no value, really, even among sports fans.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

And what about the people who died there? They had families too. There are many sons, daughters, wives, mothers and fathers who never saw their loved ones come home. While you were fortunate to have your dad growing up, there are many others who didn’t. What I’m saying is that if it were up to me they would have had the same opportunity to grow up with their dads as yo did.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Conservative’s state worship is sick.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

They don’t worship the state. They just love the idea of America. They hate the gov’t, as they should. It isn’t at all what the founders/constitution had in mind.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Beat me by a mile..

Patriotism is not the worship of a state, never has been, but the “love of the idea of America”. An America where the people matter far more than the state.. I don’t think of the federal government at all when I see the flag..

I see the long lines of my brothers and sisters who wore the uniform, some in peace, some sadly in war, all ready to give all for what can never be taken for granted, the idea that men are free.

I was just 12, an Uncle back from Vietnam, slightly wounded, on medical leave after escorting the body of one of his tank crew killed by an NVA fired RPG. There was one summer night when he sat with me and quietly told me of that ambush. Of sitting on the turret scanning the trees, when the rocket hit, blowing him yards away.. and the horror he found inside as he reached in for his crewmen.

It was a hot summer, and when school started, I was lucky to be allowed to raise and lower the flag every day with another boy.. It was something I remember fondly, something that given the lessons from a loved uncle, had new meaning..

I knew then, I would enlist, even before the draft was lifted,.. didn’t matter. It was a duty, not one learned by rote in a classroom, but by example from the men who guided me as a boy. My father enlisted during Korea, but was sent to Austria in the occupation Army, the 4th Infantry.. that when I enlisted in the Air Force I was assigned to the Strategic Air Command, 15th Air Force, 4th Air Division was more than symbolic to me.

The patriotism I know is the sun shining summer days as a child,.. and knowing the pain my family endured to fight for that reality. I have never once told my son he must enlist, never speak of my service time unless he asks.. but he’s already at 11 made that choice.. oh it might change, but not the love of the idea..

I enlisted in the darkest days during the Iran Hostage Crisis, when war looked certain.. not because I had illusions, my uncle had shocked those out of me, but to make a difference.. No one is immortal, that much I knew already.

I never expected to be medically discharged after two years,.. not for a training accident which blew out most of my hearing, left a dueling style scar.. decades later i had young men ask me at work, just after 911, should they enlist..

I told them, that it had to be inside them to make that choice… no false tails of glory.. no made up heroism.. just the plain truth. With no disrespect should they choose not too.. some people aren’t made that way… some did, and I kept up with them, till they came home..

The soft spoken natural love of country, of the people in it, is not state worship..

That you see it that way shows your idea of patriotism is warped by some delusions as to what we really believe..

Men, fight for each other, for family, for faith, or for justice.. nobody is a patriot for a “government”.. just the ideas that caused it’s formation, ultimately patriotism is about what we each believe is good and just in the land of our birth..

That you can’t see that is the sad part.

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM

The problem isn’t the Parchment. The framework is a solid foundation of principles, the problem is we the people, we are getting the government we deserve, well some of us are, most here would agree this isn’t what we want for government, but here we are just the same. No, we all must believe in something, most here believe in the core principles set down on that document, and pledge to do what is necessary to ensure that we continue to have the freedoms that it espouses. Your issue isn’t with the document so much as it is with the governing body that is ungoverned.
MarshFox on May 1, 2013 at 5:33 PM

There is no point in pledging to fight and die for a Constitution that is no longer in use.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

What I’m saying is that if it were up to me they would have had the same opportunity to grow up with their dads as yo did.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It wasn’t up to you, largely because you weren’t born then.

To the present day — If Obama sends troops into Syria, it’s still not up to you.

There are two conditions: The way things we wish they could be, and the way things are.

You can’t influence the present, so it’s all bullshit for you to second-guess what happened before you were born.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:01 PM

My father landed on Normandy Beach. Shut your ungrateful a@@ up.

kingsjester on May 1, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Thank you, from my family to yours.

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM

There is no point in pledging to fight and die for a Constitution that is no longer in use.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

It doesn’t matter if it’s ‘in use’ right now.

You’re so circular — You want the Constitution, but abandon it now.

You can’t have it both ways.

What are you — A sunshine soldier and summer patriot?

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:04 PM

There is no point in pledging to fight and die for a Constitution that is no longer in use.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

You are so odd.

You fault the Constitution itself, rather than those who ignore it.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:07 PM

You can’t influence the present, so it’s all bullshit for you to second-guess what happened before you were born.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:01 PM

This all goes back to someone telling me to shut up because their dad fought on the beaches of Normandy. As you stated, I wasn’t around when the decision was made to send him to Normandy. My main points are a) I never asked their father to fight at Normandy and b) if I did have a say in the matter they wouldn’t have been fighting there in the first place so they have no right to try to shut me up.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

So, it’s really all about YOU, what YOU feel. And forcing others to put up with YOU. Am I in the ballpark here?

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM

What I’m saying is that if it were up to me they would have had the same opportunity to grow up with their dads as yo did.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Then..

were it up to you..

Europe would have been cleansed of Jews, of Gypsies and homosexuals, the developmentally handicapped, the very elderly, and dissidents of every stripe.. Japan would own the whole of Asia minus parts of China.. The extermination of the Slavic people would have gone ahead full steam..

and America alone, between two hungry dictatorships, would be waiting to see how they decided to carve us up..

The Soviets were on the cusp, ready to topple when we sent then arms and food.. Britain bled white, France gone.. and Germany ascendent, using slave conscripts from conquered nations to swell it’s ranks..

The world would have experienced a new dark age, because up to you, nothing is worth fighting for, dying for,..

I feel sorry for you.. your kind did exist in WW II, they were pariahs, mocked and scorned by liberal and conservative.. Because civilization was on the brink..

and you would have hidden in your cave and let it all die, because you’re cynical.

The oath was to the Constitution

, the heart was with my home, my family..

you understand nothing but your own hide and it’s safety, bought by better men than you.

at a price you don’t have the heart to pay.

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:14 PM

So, it’s really all about YOU, what YOU feel. And forcing others to put up with YOU. Am I in the ballpark here?
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I wasn’t the one who personalized things by bringing up their dad and their war service isn’t Normandy and them telling someone to shut up. So no, you’re not in the park.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Then..
were it up to you..
Europe would have been cleansed of Jews, of Gypsies and homosexuals, the developmentally handicapped, the very elderly, and dissidents of every stripe.. Japan would own the whole of Asia minus parts of China.. The extermination of the Slavic people would have gone ahead full steam..
and America alone, between two hungry dictatorships, would be waiting to see how they decided to carve us up..
The Soviets were on the cusp, ready to topple when we sent then arms and food.. Britain bled white, France gone.. and Germany ascendent, using slave conscripts from conquered nations to swell it’s ranks..
The world would have experienced a new dark age, because up to you, nothing is worth fighting for, dying for,..
I feel sorry for you.. your kind did exist in WW II, they were pariahs, mocked and scorned by liberal and conservative.. Because civilization was on the brink..
and you would have hidden in your cave and let it all die, because you’re cynical.
The oath was to the Constitution
, the heart was with my home, my family..
you understand nothing but your own hide and it’s safety, bought by better men than you.
at a price you don’t have the heart to pay.
mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:14 PM

If I were around then I would not have taken any action to kill Jews, gypsies, homosexuals or anyone else for that matter.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I wasn’t the one who personalized things by bringing up their dad and their war service isn’t Normandy and them telling someone to shut up. So no, you’re not in the park.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Actually, YOU are the one who first personalized it with, “If it were up to me.”

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I wasn’t the person the person who sent him to fight and potentially die in Normandy. Your father’s service to the Federal government doesn’t give you the right to shut people so I will speak as much as I want (or until Hot Air bans me)

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

You just spit in the face of anyone who ever lost a loved one, lost family in the defense of an idea which has made the country the one many of millions want to live in, become a part of.

You just told them, they family died, sacrificed and fought for nothing, and did it with a smug smirk of I’m superior to you programed sheep.

Why in the days of the Civil war, did farmboys enlist to fight for the Union?

do you even know?

care?

Don’t you dare claim you’re the caring one who’d never ever send anyone to war.. that is a lie.

Your type is the first to demand protection, first to demand your “rights” when you have deliberately separated yourself from the country which nurtured and protected you.

You are the guy in The Best Years of Our Lives.. taunting the sailor who had lost his hands..

You never shoulda gone..

and you like him, can’t see what a disgraceful figure you are,..

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

My God, you are thick..

If I were around then I would not have taken any action to kill Jews, gypsies, homosexuals or anyone else for that matter.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

By doing nothing, you were allowing the Nazi’s free reign.. are you that blind?

That was their coourse, and you said you would have done NOTHING..

you may as well have pulled the trigger or dropped the cyanide your self.

The effect was the same..

You are so indoctrinated you cannot even see that inaction in the face of evil..

is action.. is taking a side..

You do nothing to stop it.

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Of all the wars ever fought..

WW II was heads and shoulder a truly JUST war, can’t you see that?

Everyone, conservatives to socialists all agree on that.. but not you?..

If you so spit on patriotism.. you would not even fight for self preservation?

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

What does PATRIOTISM mean now? I mean – I’m all for it if you want me to be patriotic about the founders and the wonderful constitution they gave us.

However – that’s all been taken away from us. We’re no more “free” in this nation than the Chinese are Communist anymore. We live under a dictatorial regime.

Patriotic about that?

HondaV65 on May 1, 2013 at 7:08 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Here’s a non-military example:

I had the unfortunate experience to have been broadsided by a very inattentive driver as I was sitting at a stoplight one Saturday afternoon over a decade ago. Both driver’s side doors of my car were badly dented and I suffered a hell of a whiplash injury which still sometimes bothers me to this day. I was lucky — it could have been much worse. The two drivers behind me gave me their names and phone numbers in case I had to contact them as witnesses, for which I was very grateful.

There was one other person in the story, though: a guy at a small corner newsstand selling Sunday papers. He saw the whole accident from start to finish and occasionally asked if I was going to move my car from the curb because it was blocking the flow of traffic somewhat. I replied that I wasn’t going to move it anywhere until the police arrived. Meanwhile, my husband and brother-in-law came to pick me up, and as I was getting in the car to go to the closest ER, my husband asked the paper guy if he’d be willing to be a witness also, since I said that he had seen everything.

The paper guy’s reply? “Nah … I don’t want to be involved.”

You are that guy. Not making a decision or not taking a side is a decision. If and when push ever comes to shove in this country, I don’t want you or people like you anywhere near me.

PatriotGal2257 on May 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Well Done, Mr. Thompson!!

canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Patriotic about that?

HondaV65 on May 1, 2013 at 7:08 PM

I explained my patriotism at length above..

read it or not, I’m done speaking with those who just don’t get the point.. Because you never will, and Nobody is telling you you can’t be the lonely cynic on steroids.

We’re telling you, patriotism is far more than liking tbhe federal government..

but you two are yelling Revenuer and then carpet bombing everything we believe in, when it NOTHING to do with the feds. Are you so literal minded, you see the Pledge of Allegiance as worshiping colored cloth?

It’s the concepts men have died for, always has been..

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

We haven’t heard much from Thompson of late,

Apparently, you don’t watch the TV channels where he’s touting reverse morgages. :)

Katja on May 1, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Actually, YOU are the one who first personalized it with, “If it were up to me.”

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

No, it was kingjester @ 5:20 who brought up his father and told me to shut up who personalized things.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:24 PM

You just spit in the face of anyone who ever lost a loved one, lost family in the defense of an idea which has made the country the one many of millions want to live in, become a part of.

You just told them, they family died, sacrificed and fought for nothing, and did it with a smug smirk of I’m superior to you programed sheep.

Why in the days of the Civil war, did farmboys enlist to fight for the Union?

do you even know?

care?

Don’t you dare claim you’re the caring one who’d never ever send anyone to war.. that is a lie.

Your type is the first to demand protection, first to demand your “rights” when you have deliberately separated yourself from the country which nurtured and protected you.

You are the guy in The Best Years of Our Lives.. taunting the sailor who had lost his hands..

You never shoulda gone..

and you like him, can’t see what a disgraceful figure you are,..

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I don’t recall spitting in anyone’s face. Whatever past vets fought for, they didn’t fight to protect American citizens from foreign invaders. They fought and died for foreign people and governments. I don’t recall the Constitution authorizing the Federal government to provide for the defense of other countries.

During the Civil War farm boys volunteered to kill the Southern people and burn Southern cities and towns for the purpose of maintaining Federal union. The result of this is the omnipotent Federal government that exist today.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

By doing nothing, you were allowing the Nazi’s free reign.. are you that blind?

That was their coourse, and you said you would have done NOTHING..

you may as well have pulled the trigger or dropped the cyanide your self.

The effect was the same..

You are so indoctrinated you cannot even see that inaction in the face of evil..

is action.. is taking a side..

You do nothing to stop it.

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Doing nothing is not equivalent to pulling a trigger or exposing people to cyanide. There are a lot of mass atrocities that have occurred. Just because something bad happens in the world does not confer an obligation for me to do something about it. There were mass killings in Rwanda, Cambodia, the Soviet Union, Mao’s China, and yet I don’t recall the US invading any of these countries. Iran’s Shah and Chile’s Pinochet killed many of their political enemies and yet the US didn’t invade. There was the Armenian genocide which resulted in the death of 600,000 to 1,800,000 deaths yet I don’t recall anyone advocating that the US invade. What I do recall the US committing mass atrocities by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki and fire bombing Dresden. I also recall the US imposing harsh trade sanctions on Iraq in the 1990s that resulted in high numbers of infant and childhood mortality. I’m sure you and others will find someway to justify these atrocities.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Of all the wars ever fought..

WW II was heads and shoulder a truly JUST war, can’t you see that?

Everyone, conservatives to socialists all agree on that.. but not you?..

If you so spit on patriotism.. you would not even fight for self preservation?

mark81150 on May 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

WWII was not fought to protect US citizens from foreign invaders. Therefore, self preservation or the preservation of US citizens was not an issue.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Here’s a non-military example:

I had the unfortunate experience to have been broadsided by a very inattentive driver as I was sitting at a stoplight one Saturday afternoon over a decade ago. Both driver’s side doors of my car were badly dented and I suffered a hell of a whiplash injury which still sometimes bothers me to this day. I was lucky — it could have been much worse. The two drivers behind me gave me their names and phone numbers in case I had to contact them as witnesses, for which I was very grateful.

There was one other person in the story, though: a guy at a small corner newsstand selling Sunday papers. He saw the whole accident from start to finish and occasionally asked if I was going to move my car from the curb because it was blocking the flow of traffic somewhat. I replied that I wasn’t going to move it anywhere until the police arrived. Meanwhile, my husband and brother-in-law came to pick me up, and as I was getting in the car to go to the closest ER, my husband asked the paper guy if he’d be willing to be a witness also, since I said that he had seen everything.

The paper guy’s reply? “Nah … I don’t want to be involved.”

You are that guy. Not making a decision or not taking a side is a decision. If and when push ever comes to shove in this country, I don’t want you or people like you anywhere near me.

PatriotGal2257 on May 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM

This is a very bad analogy. There is a huge between asking a guy to provide witness testimony regarding the events surrounding an accident and asking a person to kill and, if necessary, be killed in a war for the sake of a foreign people and foreign government.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Here is a great quote by John Quincy Adams regarding “America”

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:55 PM

This is a very bad analogy. There is a huge between asking a guy to provide witness testimony regarding the events surrounding an accident and asking a person to kill and, if necessary, be killed in a war for the sake of a foreign people and foreign government.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM

My analogy serves to illustrate the attitude behind it, which in my mind seems to be the same as your distorted idea of patriotism. You don’t want to be bothered. For example, if you were called to serve our country in a compulsory draft as a result of a foreign invasion, I’d love to hear your explanation to the draft board that you don’t think you should go, and further, you don’t think the country as epitomized by the government should get involved.

The only way their lives would have been put at risk (if I were in charge) is if the Germans, Italians, or Japanese were staging an invasion of the US mainland. I would have never sent them off to die for other governments.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM

You do realize that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor, don’t you? Or did you read one of those politically correct history textbooks (such as Howard Zinn’s) that excoriates the U.S. for having the gall to fight back?

And yes, I know Hawaii wasn’t a state in 1941; it was an organized incorporated territory of the U.S.

PatriotGal2257 on May 1, 2013 at 8:32 PM

So, I stopped watching when it made Rosa Parks into some kind of hero. Yes, I know she laid in state in DC and they just erected a statue of her in the Capital. Hardly the first time a fraud has been so honored.

The whole thing was engineered in advance by the Montgomery NAACP. The whole story about her just being a victim was a lie. That’s not to say segregation was right but I can think of others in the struggle that truly are heros.

Happy Nomad on May 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM

You do realize that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor, don’t you? Or did you read one of those politically correct history textbooks (such as Howard Zinn’s) that excoriates the U.S. for having the gall to fight back?

PatriotGal2257 on May 1, 2013 at 8:32 PM

And you do realize that Hawaii, which was a US territory at the time, is not apart of the US mainland. Hawaii was a US territory that was annexed by the Federal government 50 years earlier. Hawaii should have never been annexed and it should not have been made into a state. It should be its own separate country. It should be noted that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor but it did not make any attempt to conquer the island. There was no US state was in any danger of being conquered and annexed by the Japanese.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM

^^^^^

apart = a part

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Apparently, that cute chick in class won’t return his calls.

CurtZHP on May 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

It should be noted that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor but it did not make any attempt to conquer the island. There was no US state was in any danger of being conquered and annexed by the Japanese.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM

That was because there would be “a rifle behind every blade of grass” and they KNEW it, all the way up to the generals. Fast-forward to today; half the coast is unarmed pansy liberals like you. That deterrent is not there anymore.

MelonCollie on May 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Troll alert.

CW on May 1, 2013 at 10:58 PM

That was because there would be “a rifle behind every blade of grass” and they KNEW it, all the way up to the generals. Fast-forward to today; half the coast is unarmed pansy liberals like you. That deterrent is not there anymore.

MelonCollie on May 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM

You made a great point. The best defense strategy for the US is to eliminate all of its gun laws. Having a well armed citizenry is a lot cheaper than maintaining the US warfare state.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Late to come back.. sorry.

It should be noted that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor but it did not make any attempt to conquer the island. There was no US state was in any danger of being conquered and annexed by the Japanese.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM

It should be noted, that Japan without a shot fired at them, murdered 3000, Americans, wounded thousands more. They sank every battleship in the Pacific fleet, and terrorized millions of Asians in a Blitzkreig style campaign..

and you go meh.. they didn’t attack the mainland so you’re good?

I take it, if the Russians decide they sold Alaska too cheaply, and nuke Anchorage, invade the rest you’re good with that too?

You don’t understand a metaphor, repeat rote phrases, insult everything people believe in, and have the gall to act like you’re the victim.. You cherry pick individual quotes to support your position, dump the entirety of American thought on the issues, blithely ignore Pearl Harbor, the Torpedoing of US ships by U-Boats, the deaths that were inflicted and the destruction wrought on Americans..

You ignore all of that, make pat cutsey mentally retarded remarks like a special needs child who learned one thing, then slammed his mind shut to any other idea at 6.

We should have stayed home in the 48.. that about right?

tell you what champ, why stop there, Hell let’s just defend the original 13 colonies and screw the rest, since you want to stick so desperately to the idea we’re warmongering aggressors who shoulda stayed home..

oh.. and we murder people..

Look simple Simon,.. you’re alone.

Nobody but the most egregious sociopath just writes off the lives of other Americans, then makes excuses, half baked moronic info wars style we’re the evil ones arguments..

Name a single people anywhere at any time fighting a just war, where atrocities never happened. Name more than three people who don’t find you a flaming disgrace. You are westboro baptists on speed.. so stuck in your fantasy world, nothing penetrates it, not facts, not compassion, not empathy not suffering, nothing..

and GFY about Rwanda, Clinton sat on his hands and did nothing, when he could have formed a joint US European African coalition to go in to stop it,.. but he didn’t..

I would have, which I’m sure you’d wag your finger about that.

You are not an American, not where it matters, a figure of pity or loathing… maybe both..

My family had six great great uncles fight for the Union in the Ohio militia regiments. Not all came home, and no you pothead, they did not join to simply kill southern boys..

Your remarks denote you live South of the Mason Dixon..

Ohio was a state in 1803,.. unless you were in the original 13, why should any of us bother to fight for your state if it’s attacked.. why?

Because you’re an American?

You already made a joke of that, so if by your own logic, you live outside the original 13, you’re the descendant of murdering aggressors who killed Indians for the robber barons and railroad interests.. and they liked it.

You’re the type everyone, absolutely everyone finds an obnoxious history rewriting conspiracist nutjob.. The left, right and center all agree on basic precepts..

But not you..

Go buy an island, and declare your own country.. since nobody but you understands the founders intentions.. but, that’ll never work, since you ignore everything they did after 1783.

You’re the type who seems to think we’re lemmings sent to fight for nefarious unseen forces who manipulate everything behind the scenes..

you know, the basic iconoclast, (NUTJOB) with nobody understanding you.. but you bravely soldier on, convinced in your own purity…..

a truly lone figure shouting at the sky as the rest role our eyes at you.

mark81150 on May 2, 2013 at 1:24 AM

If I were around then I would not have taken any action to kill Jews, gypsies, homosexuals or anyone else for that matter.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

So, if you were watching a Jewish family being dragged off to their deaths by SS goons, then you would just sit on your sanctimonious a$$ and do nothing, except to say to yourself that you disagree with what they are doing. Absolutely disgusting.

SubmarineDoc on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Hawaii should have never been annexed and it should not have been made into a state. It should be its own separate country. It should be noted that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor but it did not make any attempt to conquer the island. There was no US state was in any danger of being conquered and annexed by the Japanese.

antifederalist on May 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Well, why don’t you just contact your buddy Obama and talk to him about making Hawaii into its own country. Come to think of it, it may not be such a bad idea, since Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, operated there and helped subvert the Democrat party into a hotbed of Communism that eventually spread throughout the national party. But I doubt Obama would go for it, since he has taken Davis’ commie flag and is running with it throughout the rest of the U.S., and I’m sure he wouldn’t willingly let go of the place that has served his purpose to “fundamentally transform” the nation so well.

So, if you were watching a Jewish family being dragged off to their deaths by SS goons, then you would just sit on your sanctimonious a$$ and do nothing, except to say to yourself that you disagree with what they are doing. Absolutely disgusting.

SubmarineDoc on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Yep, this is you in a nutshell. You’re not fooling anyone, except maybe yourself.

PatriotGal2257 on May 2, 2013 at 10:59 AM

antifederalist,

I’m very sorry that your view of this nation has become so twisted.

Please understand that when someone takes an oath of service in this nation, the object of that oath is the Constitution, not the government, not any person(s) within the government. The Constitution establishes the government, and also provides for the ability to correct abuses of government, when the people are engaged and active in keeping the Constitution in place. When the people forget that it is every American’s duty to be involved, then those who crave power will have their way, and the Constitution loses its inherent power.

I volunteered, four times, to serve this nation. I did not volunteer to worship the government. Let me show you:

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, in accordance with Navy Regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Now, while the President and those officers are members of the government, I never agreed to worship them. And there are two caveats to the obedience sworn therein: First is that those people gained their position either through election by the people, or by gaining the trust and approval of their respective branch of service, so that in obeying them I am serving the people of the nation, not simply the government. Second, those regulations and the UCMJ allow for refusing to obey an unlawful order. Any order given which contravenes the Constitution, or standing law, or Nature’s Law, ought not and must not be obeyed.

Every person stands or falls by their own conscience. Loving and honoring this nation is never wrong. Standing against the corruption of those who have acquired power is never wrong. The two are NOT mutually exclusive, even in your world.

And just to help you with your next piece, I will say plainly that enemies of this nation died because of my service. You just go ahead and try to make me feel bad about that.

Freelancer on May 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM

So, if you were watching a Jewish family being dragged off to their deaths by SS goons, then you would just sit on your sanctimonious a$$ and do nothing, except to say to yourself that you disagree with what they are doing. Absolutely disgusting.
SubmarineDoc on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Like it or not, there has always been and will always be human suffering in the world. Right now somewhere in the world there are families being dragged to their deaths by thugs. Is the US government authorized to go save these people. If “we” US citizens are required to “do something” whenever there is human suffering then you would have to quintuple the size of the military, reinstitute the draft, and implement a 99% flat tax to fund it all. Are you willing to do this?

antifederalist on May 2, 2013 at 3:23 PM