Pew: 64% of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support death penalty for leaving Islam

posted at 6:41 pm on May 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

Not surprising, but sufficiently flabbergasting that both the Economist and WaPo are showing off the data. Egypt and Pakistan aren’t the countries with the highest numbers, either. Topping the list at 78 percent are our good friends in Afghanistan. And just to make things a tiny bit worse, there’s reason to believe that Pew’s data is understating the magnitude of the problem. For one thing, they didn’t poll Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, or Syria. Where do you suppose the Kingdom’s Salafist population would have placed in Burn the Apostate Derby? For another thing, the percentages are based on a sample within a sample. Only those Muslims who first said that they support sharia law were asked whether apostates should be executed; the overall percentages I’m giving you, via WaPo’s Max Fisher, are derived simply by multiplying the number who said yes to both sharia and execution. Some who oppose basing state law on sharia might nonetheless think apostasy merits death as a religious matter. They’re unaccounted for here.

Needless to say, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Egypt are all nominally U.S. allies. Another data point about U.S. allies from Pew’s summary:

In most countries where a question about so-called “honor” killings was asked, majorities of Muslims say such killings are never justified. Only in two countries – Afghanistan and Iraq – do majorities condone extra-judicial executions of women who allegedly have shamed their families by engaging in premarital sex or adultery.

We know how to pick ‘em. And here’s a nice counterpoint to the apostasy data, also from the summary:

At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists.

Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam. I guess “extremist” is in the eye of the beholder. (The Economist notes that huge numbers in Egypt also claim to support “religious freedom,” in case you think the nuance here isn’t deep enough yet.) I recommend following the WaPo link and studying the graph at the top that Fisher put together to see how other Muslim nations ranked on the apostasy question. As a general rule, the more religiously diverse the country, the less likely Muslims who live there are to support executing apostates. There are exceptions, though. Egypt is famous for having a large Christian population by Middle Eastern standards, but that hasn’t stopped them from wanting to put religious defectors to the sword. Malaysia’s the same way — Muslims are just north of 60 percent of the population per the CIA Factbook, but a clear majority of them are in favor of killing apostates anyway. On the flip side, Indonesia’s 86 percent Muslim but execution for apostasy is supported by “only” 13 percent. The disparity in Turkey is even wider, with almost the entire population Islamic but apostasy executions favored by two percent. Maybe the correct predictor isn’t religious pluralism but regional and political culture: You’ll note on Fisher’s graph that, once you get outside AfPak and the Arab Middle East, the numbers drop off. Like I say, we really know how to pick ‘em.


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Obama’s brothers succeed, apace.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 6:41 PM

The Arab ‘spring’ blooms…icicles.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Obama’s boos

tom daschle concerned on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Well, what a fun group these folks are! Can we please import some more?

Cindy Munford on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I meant bat face’s boos

tom daschle concerned on May 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Its ok though. Because they also believe in “religious freedom” and Shari’a law.

Go figure.

In the meantime, best judge by how they act and not what they say. Because the results of this survey are teh crazy.

novaculus on May 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Wow! Who would have thought that 64% of the Egyptian population was composed of radical Islamists!

NavyMustang on May 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM

As the song goes “Freedoms’ just another word, for nothing left to lose, but your life is you don’t believe like me.”

LincolntheHun on May 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM

So long, Muslim World, and thanks for all the fish!

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Lone wolves.

Ronnie on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Moozies just need a reason to kill.
Let’s import more of them from around the world ,
and put them on welfare …

burrata on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I support the death penalty for Muslims who leave Islamic countries.

Charlemagne on May 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Pew: 64% of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support death penalty for leaving Islam

So? Apostasy is a death penalty offense in the political ideology of islam. That is what islam is all about. You can check in but you can never leave. Blood in/blood out.

Since we’re on the topic, placing any intercalary into the calendar to sync their primitive system with the solar year is also a death penalty offense. islam demands primitivity in its cannon-fodder adherents.

Now, go kiss the ground 5 times a day you islamic slugs to constantly remind yourselves how insignificant you are and how your only utility to islam and the world is as self-exploding weapons of the most backward, belligerent, aggressive, insane, violent political ideology to ever appear on the planet – and that’s saying something.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM

EgyptianGoons have spoken!!

canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Maybe the correct predictor isn’t religious pluralism but regional and political culture

You mean personal liberty and property rights, don’t you?

BobMbx on May 1, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Bad news for Steve Centani.

vityas on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Hey, let’s send them boatloads of money. Libya and Syria, too. What could possibly go wrong?

Philly on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Moozies just need a reason to kill.
Let’s import more of them from around the world ,
and put them on welfare …

Any reason will do, even if they have to make one up to satisfy their blood lust.

islam isn’t a religion it’s a perverse death cult.

hawkeye54 on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Islam, the Religion of Peace™ You’ll love it or we’ll give you your money back disembowel you in the public square and feed your entrails to the vultures!

cynccook on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Well, I’m just glad the Religion of Peace® is tolerant, otherwise someone might get hurt.

rbj on May 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

And American liberals think 100% of those who disagree with them need to be banned from the airwaves, and/or otherwise gotten rid of.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:53 PM

In other news: 64% of Liberals in America support prison sentence for not supporting the current government

beatcanvas on May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I’d hate to be that 34% that choose “poorly”.

Flange on May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

So did Barry leave Islam???

albill on May 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM

In other news: 64% 100% of Liberals in America support prison sentence for not supporting the current government

beatcanvas on May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The other 32%,me thinks,they’ve already been be-headed!
(sarc)

canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM

My math, by the way, has a +/- of 2.

Flange on May 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Don’t misinterpret this. They totally believe in religious freedom. Everyone in Egypt is free to convert to Islam or not. Muslims are free to convert to another religion, too.

Of course, the wrong choice is punishable by death. But you’re free to choose death if you want to …..

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Not much different from modern American liberalism.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM

On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists.

Soooo, not even Islamic extremists are worried about the so-called “Christian sharia” or “Christian Taliban.” Must be a fear exclusive to RINOs and progressives.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM

The other 32%,me thinks,they’ve already been be-headed!
(sarc)

canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Math is hard.
So is English.

Indonesia’s 86 percent Muslim but execution for apostasy is supported by “only” 13 percent. The disparity in Turkey is even wider, with almost the entire population Islamic but apostasy executions favored by two percent.

That’s relatively good news.

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Subhumans.

VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Screw it! Let`s just seize the oil fields, carpet bomb Af/Pak, Iran and call it a day.

ThePrez on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

the religion of peace…

burserker on May 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Time for our leaders to tell them about the “big tent” theory of multicultural and spiritual diversity?

IlikedAUH2O on May 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Obama left islam. Pass it on.

Ronnie on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Screw it! Let`s just seize the oil fields, carpet bomb Af/Pak, Iran and call it a day.

ThePrez on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

You know, it’s funny. If America wanted to be truly imperialistic, we could have made it happen between 1946 and 1954. And no one could have stopped us.

But we didn’t go that route.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Wow! Who would have thought that 64% of the Egyptian population was composed of radical Islamists!

NavyMustang on May 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM

With all things Islamic, 99.9999% of Muslims are making the rest look bad.

VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

So did Barry leave Islam???

albill on May 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Not so as you’d notice.

“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!”

VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Liberals are the ones who destroyed all of JFK’s visions.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Islam, the religion cult gang of death.

What’s not to like?

/’The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam’.

- Obama, Sep 25, 2012, Addressing the U.N. General Assembly

Paul-Cincy on May 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I think a better subtitle would have been, “Why a simple democracy should be feared.”

shick on May 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM

64% of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support death penalty for leaving Islam

and

…say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%)…

Thought it was the same question, I suppose.

socalcon on May 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Screw it! Let`s just seize the oil fields, carpet bomb Af/Pak, Iran and call it a day.

ThePrez on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

You know, it’s funny. If America wanted to be truly imperialistic, we could have made it happen between 1946 and 1954. And no one could have stopped us.

But we didn’t go that route.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Imperialism just doesn’t work for us. Instead of colonies, we have territories, and we keep offering them the chance to become full states. Most of them figure life is better as a territory, and turn us down.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Correction: “Another example of how a simple democracy is a bad thing.”

shick on May 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Bad news for Steve Centani.

vityas on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Yep. He can never go back.

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Imperialism just doesn’t work for us. Instead of colonies, we have territories, and we keep offering them the chance to become full states. Most of them figure life is better as a territory, and turn us down.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I’m looking at it from the liberal lie that America is an imperialist nation.

We’re not.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

If we’re an ‘empire’, we are the most generous and benign in human history.

We have literally fed the world.

But that is never good enough for liberals.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Legitimate religions do not have laws against apostasy.

Basilsbest on May 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

How do they feel about homosexuality…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Imperialism just doesn’t work for us. Instead of colonies, we have territories, and we keep offering them the chance to become full states. Most of them figure life is better as a territory, and turn us down.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I’m looking at it from the liberal lie that America is an imperialist nation.

We’re not.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Oh, I agree. “Colonies” implies that we keep these possessions in subjugation. Instead, we offer them full citizenship and rights. They can become states if they want to.

It’s always amazed me that a college professor can rant about the U.S. being imperialistic, and no one ever points out the obvious: that that rhetoric only applies to nations that keep colonies. Basically, Europe.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

How do they feel about homosexuality…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2013 at 7:47 PM

That doesn’t matter to liberals.

It’s about Republicans only.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM

It’s always amazed me that a college professor can rant about the U.S. being imperialistic, and no one ever points out the obvious: that that rhetoric only applies to nations that keep colonies. Basically, Europe.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

It’s impossible to keep being liberal without lying to oneself.

That’s why liberals have to lie all the time.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Which ones are the moderates?

farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM

From the WaPo Piece:

Like the U.S. public knowledge polls that find that one-third of Americans can’t name the vice president, Pew’s report includes some less-than-flattering pieces of data. And while it’s important not to generalize about entire populations or demographic groups based on one study, some of these numbers are difficult to ignore.

Difficult to ignore? You mean despite WaPo’s best efforts? “Less than flattering?” You can’t make this stuff up. How do these Wapo slime sleep at night.

Notice also how WaPo tries again at moral equivalence. You see, believing in the Islamic death penalty for apostasy is EXACTLY THE SAME as not knowing who the VP is.

Unbe-frickin-lievable. The whole write-up is filled with this kind of soft-balling. Over KILLING people.

WaPo attributes the write-up to “Max Fisher and the Washington Post Foreign Staff,” whatever that means. What a disgrace. On his facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/max.fisher.3760) he has listed as one of his favorite athletes Sarah Attar, that stupid Saudi broad who competed in the Olympics in full Muzzie garb, which was obviously a propaganda move by the Saudis. You can tell where this loser is coming from.

WhatSlushfund on May 1, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Poll: 70% of Muslims support same sex marriage. 80% support stoning to death homosexuals.

NotCoach on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Isn’t the president a Muslim apostate? He eschewed the religion of his father and his birth for Christianity (allegedly).

Philly on May 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Poll: 70% of Muslims support same sex marriage. 80% support stoning to death homosexuals.

NotCoach on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Well, you need to identify them somehow, if you wanna stone them, right?

Valkyriepundit on May 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Phew!

I left the Catholic Church many years ago… Was probably mostly just too lazy to get up on Sundays and said I left because that nasty church wouldn’t let women be priests.

Then I realized that was just a lame-o excuse and went back.

Good thing they didn’t decide I needed killing cause I am really a pretty decent Catholic.

If a religion needs to impose a DEATH PENALTY for leaving…what more can be said????

marybel on May 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam. I guess “extremist” is in the eye of the beholder.

Exactly!

The problem with asking, “Do you believe in religious extremism” is it means different things to different people. In fact what would constitute normal everyday life here in America, like a woman walking around a beach in her bikini would be consider “extreme” in the Islamic world. The reverse is true too…like attacking and lynching gays in the Islamic world is normal, but would be considered extreme here in America.

It is funny how almost everything the progressives are pushing for like gay marriage, abortion, etc. the Islamic world hates, in a violent way, yet the first people to defend that world are progressives in order to be culturally sensitive.

Just like everything else they do….it is suicidally stupid.

William Eaton on May 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Shitholes that feature a religion that gets to blow us up over here.

Bad religion.

Immigration control please.

Sherman1864 on May 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Reminds me of this:

I’d like to tell you a very nice story. Once there was a Muslim who lived next to a Jew. The Muslim saw in the Jew a measure of goodheartedness – however small – and he wanted to find any way to make him convert to Islam. So he went to him and asked: “Don’t you feel the need for Islam? Why don’t you become a Muslim?” The Jew said: “The only thing preventing me from becoming a Muslim is that I love drinking alcohol. I would have become a Muslim ages ago, but the only thing stopping me is that I am an alcoholic.”

The Muslim devised a plan. He said: “No problem – become a Muslim, and continue to drink.” The Muslim didn’t meant this, of course, but he said to him: “Become a Muslim, and continue to drink.” The Jews said: “Fine.” He said: “I proclaim that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” The Muslim said to him: “Now you have become a Muslim. If you drink alcohol, we will carry out the punishment for drinking alcohol on you, and if you renounce Islam, we will kill you.” So the man remained a Muslim and never drank alcohol again. This was a nice trick by this good Muslim.

Mahmoud al-Masri, August 2009

rightmind on May 1, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Yeah, most Muslims don’t really go for the “I’ll pray for you” response.

Tzetzes on May 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Let’s assume that Obama, GWB, Clinton, GHWB, etc. ad-nausium are correct when they say that Islam is a religion of peace. Let’s take our leaders at their word.

Logically, then the violent jihadis can’t be Muslim! Therefore we stop treating the Gitmo prisoners and other terrorists as Muslims. Violent “muslim” criminals in US jails as well. They are infidels. Don’t give them copies of the Koran – they don’t need it since they are apostates. Don’t treat them with any sign of religious respect which otherwise would be due to peaceful Muslims. Feed them pork. If anything, shame them for their religious wickedness instead at every opportunity.

And let’s also create a modern support system in the US to protect all those who are truly peaceful Muslims as well as MINA (Muslims in name only) who adhere to Islam primarily to avoid violence threatened against them by these apostates.

For surely no peaceful religion would compel its adherents to comply under threats of violence in this world. Fear is not faith.

Rich H on May 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Good thing oblamo doesn’t have any trips planned to Egypt or Pakistan.

Of course, the penalty for just pretending not to be a muslim is probably not as harsh as actually leaving it. Probably something like having to spend a weekend with mcgilla.

acyl72 on May 2, 2013 at 7:37 AM

…Control of Egypt
…A terrorist group ‘credibility’
…The ability to make oppressive Shari’a Law Egypt’s Law
…The ability to persecute/kill Christians in Egypt
…$1.5 Billion
…24 new F-16 Fighter Jets
…200 brand new Tanks

…that is just some of what Obama has given the Muslim Brotherhood since he has been President….at tax-payer expence.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps – as a ‘Democracy’ that promotes ‘Democracy’ – one of our criteria for giving ANY nation ANY foreign aid, money, military weapons, ANYTHING should be ‘freedom’ for its people, protection for everyone (Christians, Jews, Islam, etc…)…and if they can’t/won’t/don’t give them ANYTHING. If they are getting aid from us & they begin oppressing their people the help/aid/cash/etc IMMEDIATELY STOPS! Call it a ‘carrot’ if you want, but a nation that advocates freedom should not continue to reward oppression, intolerance, hatred, terrorism, etc!

easyt65 on May 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Sooooooo….can we now officially admit that the term “Muslim Terrorist” is redundant???

And here’s an idea: How about denying visas, residency status, benefits, and citizenship to anyone who will not pledge himself to the principles contained in our Declaration of Independence?

landlines on May 2, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Any moslem living here and professing moderation is a potential jihadi and there should be none of them living in the US or West as this is just a self-protection mode they have chosen to keep their own ashes safe. Shipping them back where they originated would be prudent and, who knows, maybe their supposed “moderation” will rub off on their fellows.

dockywocky on May 20, 2014 at 9:50 AM