Did Saudi Arabia warn the US and UK about Tsarnaev in 2012?; Update: DHS denies knowledge of any warning

posted at 8:01 am on May 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

So says the Daily Mail, based on an interview with an unnamed Saudi “senior government official” with direct knowledge of the letter sent to the US.  According to the official, Tamerlan Tsarnaev applied in December 2011 to enter Saudi Arabia to visit Mecca, but the Saudis got suspicious of his actual intent and denied the visa application — at which point Tamerlan went to Dagestan.  The reason for the rejection wasn’t Tsarnaev’s connection to Chechnya, but because the Saudis thought he had connections in Yemen (via Drudge):

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.

The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.

Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev’s plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.

The Saudis’ warning to the U.S. government was also shared with the British government. ‘It was very specific’ and warned that ‘something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,’ the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.

It ‘did name Tamerlan specifically,’ he added. The ‘government-to-government’ letter, which he said was sent to the Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.

If it’s true, then the FBI, DHS, and/or the CIA have a lot more explaining to do.  This could be why the CIA added Tsarnaev and his mother to the TIDE system, although one would think that a Yemen connection might have prompted a higher profile in the database and a little more investigation.  Since the warning came in 2012, presumably while Tamerlan was on his six-month pilgrimage to Dagestan, it should have set off all sorts of alarms when Tsarnaev returned that summer — or at least another look by the FBI, assuming they knew about the warning at all. If that was “stovepiped,” the FBI might have been unaware of it.  However, if the Yemen connection was through Awlaki, that would raise questions about how much of Awlaki’s contact with the US was missed by the CIA and FBI, too.

On the other hand, let’s play skeptic for a moment.  So far at least, we haven’t heard of any connection in the Tsarnaevs’ lives that would have drawn them to Yemeni jihadist groups in 2011.  That doesn’t mean there weren’t opportunities — Anwar al-Awlaki was very successful in his on-line endeavors, but he had been dead for three months by December 2011.  The connection to Islamist separatists and terrorists in Chechnya makes sense because of Tsarnaev’s heritage, but there isn’t anything obvious connecting the Tsarnaevs to either Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

Why would the Saudis claim to have sent the letter?  Could be for PR, and it could be to further discredit Yemen, with whom they have a contentious relationship (which was one of the driving forces behind the initial radicalization of Osama bin Laden, remember). On the other hand, by claiming that they also warned the UK, it makes it more difficult to maintain a false claim — the UK has no reason to dispute that if it were true, while the US might be reluctant at this point to admit shrugging off an independent warning about Tamerlan.

On the whole, this makes for an interesting development, but it would be better to wait for some independent verification before fully embracing this single-source story.

Update: Allahpundit reminds me that an Awlaki connection had already been asserted last week:

As investigators sift through the lives of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev trying to understand their radicalization and descent into violence, one clue almost seemed expected. Two U.S. officials tell The Daily Beast that, during his hospital room interrogation, Dzhokhar told FBI agents that he and his brother were influenced by the Internet sermons of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born preacher who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in September 2011. The charismatic cleric was seen by the Obama administration as a uniquely dangerous terrorist because of his sermons (delivered in fluent, American-inflected English), his intuitive grasp of U.S. culture, and a burning desire to strike his birth nation.

It is unclear the extent to which—if at all—Awlaki’s preachings inspired the brothers to commit terrorism. Indeed, whatever his role, it is likely only a small piece of a complicated, multilayered puzzle. In recent days, there has been speculation that another piece of that puzzle could be a man known simply as “Misha,” whom relatives of the brothers have said held sway over Tamerlan. “This person just took his brain,” Tsarnaev’s uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told CNN. “He just brainwashed him completely.” Now, The Daily Beast has learned that federal law enforcement officials have identified Misha—although one source suggested it might be a less important part of the case than previously thought.

As for Awlaki, while we don’t know the extent of his influence on the brothers, we do know that there is a long trail of hardened terrorists who have acknowledged coming under his sway. Among them are Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistani-American who attempted to set off a car bomb in Times Square in May 2010, and Nidal Malik Hasan, the U.S. Army officer who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at Fort Hood in 2009. Hasan, it turned out, had been in extensive email contact with Awlaki in the months before the shooting, but no evidence ever emerged that Awlaki knew about his deadly intentions.

That might have been the Yemeni connection discovered by the Saudis, but who would Tamerlan be trying to meet, if that was indeed his intention in going to Saudi Arabia? Awlaki was dead by that time for three months.  Perhaps Tamerlan knew of other contacts … and perhaps Dagestan was a less-conspicuous place to meet?

Update: Via Instapundit, DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning:


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but it would be better to wait for some independent verification

Yeah, I’m sure that the press will investigate these claims. Any. Day. Now.

Hey, lookee here: monkeys ARE flying out of my butt.

Physics Geek on May 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Another ping?

Electrongod on May 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Oh come on. There’s nothing to see here. Whatever the Saudis or the Russians or anyone else tried to say to the FBI or CIA about this guy, I’m sure there was never enough evidence to establish any connection between him and those right-wing extremist folks.

Harbingeing on May 1, 2013 at 8:07 AM

We need a House speaker that has a pair and will start holding some serious investigative hearings. Conservatives in the House need to oust Boehner and start representing the American people.

MPan on May 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM

While it is wise and prudent to wait for corroboration, the sad fact is that I trust the Saudis more than my own government.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

So both the Sauds and the Russians are out at second base stealing the catcher’s signals and tipping off the DOJ etc and we STILL cannot hit the pitch ?

Send the batter back down to AA ball !

Jabberwock on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Just imagine if there is the slightest perceived connection to any figures associated with the Benghazi attack…

The Press will be demanding to know: “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

mjbrooks3 on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

“What difference does it make?”

Bruce MacMahon on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Given the connectedness of the intertubes, it wouldn’t surprise me if the brothers had an Indonesia connection.

AH_C on May 1, 2013 at 8:10 AM

I could see the dirtbag contacting or trying to contact the Yemen jihadis if he was bent on attacking the US or learning how to attack the US.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Let’s see. Russia said they warned us. Saudi is saying they warned us. No coverage from US press. Easy conclusion here. Obama didn’t know about anything related to this so all’s good.

Remember when Bush was the source of all misery the dems could imagine?

DanMan on May 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Radical Muslims on welfare………it’s like a freaking Jihadi dream come true!!

Warned more by foreign governments than our own. Visas ignored, and on and on.

Yet we can trust the Federal government to be efficient enough to process 25% of Mexico that will leave the country if we pass Amnesty?

Viva no defenses America!!!

PappyD61 on May 1, 2013 at 8:14 AM

I’m not waiting because the crowd of dorks, aszhats, and assorted criminal riff-raff popularly referred to as “The Obama Administration” couldn’t find their own dog blossom with 10 hands and a 5 million watt flashlight.

Everyone knows these dolts dropped the ball bigtime, quit making excuses for them and just accept it. Had the Hat Boys been associated with the Tea Party or some vague militia group instead of welfare-eating muslim trash they would have been in prison a year ago.

Bishop on May 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

O/T from QOTD:

You seem to suggest that somehow these folks over there have no responsibilities, and that my job is to somehow get them to behave,” he said to one reporter. “That’s their job!”…

So said the community organizer….with no irony.

herm2416 on May 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

So it wasn’t just the Russians who told us about him, a US permanent resident who had been lying in the US for ten years, but also the Saudis.

It almost looks like Tamerlan was sending his application to many foreign Islamist terrorist groups and trying to line up interviews.

Foreign agencies warned us of a budding terrorist in our own back yard, and not only did we not see a problem, but we knew nothing about him before they told us.

This is a complete failure on the part of the FBI and DHS. On the “plus” side… they didn’t engage in bigotted profiling or PO CAIR.

farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Wouldn’t the wife know that he had tried to go to Mecca and was turned down? Why aren’t we waterboarding her? I don’t understand how he could just take off for six months with her permission.

Do we even know the exact dates that he was away?

I am so sick of this half a$$ reporting by the MSM.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM

While it is wise and prudent to wait for corroboration, the sad fact is that I trust the Saudis more than my own government.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

and may I add—I trust the DailyUK more than I trust any of our print media…

hillsoftx on May 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

… who had been lying living in the US…

farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

How many more? That is the question.

Limerick on May 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Cripe

cmsinaz on May 1, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Just lonewolves…

What was their motive…and who radicalized them…and can Jason Collins make it in the NBA now that he’s outed himself?

coldwarrior on May 1, 2013 at 8:21 AM

“Security officials suspected ties between Tsarnaev and the Canadian – an ethnic Russian named William Plotnikov – according to the Novaya Gazeta newspaper, which is known for its independence and investigative reporting and cited an unnamed official with the Anti-Extremism Center, which tracks militants. The newspaper said the men had social networking ties that brought Tsarnaev to the attention of Russian security services for the first time in late 2010.”

Source

William Plotnikov (Wiki)

Plotnikov came to international scrutiny after an investigative article in Russia’s liberal opposition investigative newspaper Novaya Gazeta, citing their sources in the security forces, wrote that Plotnikov, known among the rebels as “The Canadian”, was one of two local contacts (the other one, a 19-year-old local Dagestani-Palestinian man was killed by the police in May 2012) of the Boston Marathon bombings suspect and fellow Russian emigree boxer Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who has allegedly sought to join the insurgency in Dagestan after returning there from the United States in 2012.

According to Novaya, the two communicated via a website associated with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. Tsarnaev had also previously visited his aunt in Toronto, possibly coming in contact with Plotnikov in person. With both of his alleged contacts to the insurgency dead, Tsarnaev left Russia just two days after Plotnikov was killed. It was also noted that the lives of Plotnikov and Tsarnaev were parallel in many aspects.

Vitaly Plotnikov said he was unaware of any connection between his son and Tsarnaev. Dagestan’s interior minister Abdurashid Magomedov said through a spokesman that Tsarnaev “did not have contact with the [Islamist] underground during his visit”. American investigators in Russia, however, took interest in a possible corelation between the dates of Plotnikov’s death and of Tsarnaev’s sudden return to the United States.

Source

luckybogey on May 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Amato DeLuca, the Rhode Island attorney for his widow, Katherine Russell, said in a statement Tuesday that his client had just learned that the medical examiner was ready to release Tsarnaev’s body and that she wants it released to the Tsarnaev family.

It’s been available for a while. And she’s the family.

“Of course, family members will take possession of the body,” uncle Ruslan Tsarni of Montgomery Village, Md., told The Associated Press on Tuesday night. “We’ll do it. We will do it. A family is a family.”

Is this guy doing a 180? He was swearing at the kid when he was on the run. Let the nutty aunt in CA or parents handle it. I sure hope they don’t try to bury him here.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Foreign agencies warned us of a budding terrorist in our own back yard, and not only did we not see a problem, but we knew nothing about him before they told us.

This is a complete failure on the part of the FBI and DHS. On the “plus” side… they didn’t engage in bigotted profiling or PO CAIR.

farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Or maybe the regime wanted the bomb plot to succeed.

Naturally Curly on May 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

if this guy didn’t get hauled in, then what the hell is going on?

Mohammed Atta wished he had it so good.

ted c on May 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

who gave the stand down order?

(semi-off topic, but the meaning is the same)

ted c on May 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Or maybe the regime wanted the bomb plot to succeed.

Naturally Curly on May 1, 2013 at 8:25 AM

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”

If someone tells you who they are, believe them…. – Maya Angelou

Fallon on May 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM

So, what opportunity did the regime take? As Ron Paul said (RP a bit of a stopped clock, but usually right twice a day), “a taste of martial law.”

Fallon on May 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The wifey is watching Good Morning America, can you all believe Andy Dick got kicked off Dancing with Stars?

Howcome on May 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Howcome on May 1, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Caesar laughs at the plebs.

Limerick on May 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Next we will hear Mexico sent a letter saying they had ties to the cartels.

docflash on May 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM

The connection to Islamist separatists and terrorists in Chechnya makes sense because of Tsarnaev’s heritage, but there isn’t anything obvious connecting the Tsarnaevs to either Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

If the folks of Chechnya hate Russians so badly why attack U.S? Could P.C. Type of questioning and looking at things through the lens of Liberals eyes have caused FBI and our intel to completely ignore obvious danger signs. Could they regard these warnings from other countries simply as racial intolerance and bigotry? We Americans on the other hand in a show of ” openess” funded their academic careers as well as giving them living expenses so they could live in the style they are accustomed to while they plotted to destroy so many American lives with their wicked bomb.

Herb on May 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

DHS denies knowledge of any warning

Oh, that’s nice.

coldwarrior on May 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

The timing of the warning would have been most unfortunate… after all, the President had to run a campaign…

dpduq on May 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

DHS denies knowledge of any warning

I know nothing.

farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM

.And if you believe DHS, please see me . . . I’m selling a bridge from San Francisco to Hawaii.

rplat on May 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM

DHS denies knowledge of any warning

Case closed then. Clearly this is all posturing by Republicans. Moving along…
–MSM

Gatsu on May 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Had the Hat Boys been associated with the Tea Party or some vague militia group instead of welfare-eating muslim trash they would have been in prison a year ago.

Bishop on May 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Ain’t that the truth.

The Dee-Atch-Ess will go down in history as Bush 2′s biggest folly. It sounded good at the time, but there was nowhere to go with such a conglomeration of LE with so little genuine oversight but down the inevitable slippery slope. I fear it will gradually become much worse with each “crisis” being exploited by those who crave power and care nothing for our Constitution and our humanity.

hillbillyjim on May 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM

As for Awlaki, while we don’t know the extent of his influence on the brothers, we do know that there is a long trail of hardened terrorists who have acknowledged coming under his sway. Among them…Nidal Malik Hasan, the U.S. Army officer who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at Fort Hood in 2009.

I missed this when it was originally posted. I find it interesting that a liberal like Daniel Klaidman can admit the obvious, i.e, that Major Nidal Malik Hasan IS a terrorist and his attack on Fort Hood WAS terrorism, but the President and administration that the writer supports so much cannot or will not.

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM

The only way both sides are not lying, is if Islam supporting moles in the DHS destroyed the warnings.

But Bush insisted they were “THE” Religion of Peace ™.

jhnone on May 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM

DHS denies knowledge of any warning

To be fair, DHS – Janet Napolitano, specifically – did claim that the ‘system worked’ in the case of the underwear bomber…and I guess it did, if by ‘system,’ she/DHS meant a Dutch filmmaker on holiday and perspiration.

So, DHS’ mileage may vary when it comes to defining ‘knowledge’ and ‘warning.’

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Ed: Note my post above. If this is correct, then Bomber # 1 may have also departed and reentered the US from Canada. If he was on the Terrorist Watchlist, did the Homeland Security also miss another chance to stop these terrorist?

“Tsarnaev had also previously visited his aunt in Toronto, possibly coming in contact with Plotnikov in person”

luckybogey on May 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM

When Big Sis says she doesn’t use email, she is either lying ala Lisa Jackson and has deniability, or she is hopelessly clueless and ineffective.

Spartacus on May 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Yes, it’s obvious:

1) “Hasan was a case of ‘workplace violence’.”
2) Benghazi happened because of a video.
3) The Tsarnaev brothers were “knock-off” jihadists.

What’s the pattern here with these statements?

LIAR… Party of one!!!

dpduq on May 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM

the hell with this bull shite….

nobody knew…yeah right.

color me skeptical

ted c on May 1, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Brenner and Clapper deny knowing…
That I believe.

mjbrooks3 on May 1, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Update: Via Instapundit, DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning:

This administration has a very bad habit of denying everything and later being caught in a lie. Considering their track record their denial in this instance means nothing.

NotCoach on May 1, 2013 at 9:00 AM

This just gets curiouser and curiouser…

workingclass artist on May 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM

No wonder doj decided to Mirandize #2 before the time was up. There’s a whole lot of azzez being covered and Big Sis has the biggest one of the bunch. This is worse than having Deputy Dog watch the hen house.

Kissmygrits on May 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Update: DHS denies knowledge of any warning

Yes, everybody is lying except the DHS.

Of course, saying they have no knowledge of any warning is not the same as saying they were never warned.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM

The week this broke, I said the boys were going to be connected Awlaki.

The timing of Tamerlan’s entry to the States, radicalization, etc…coincides with Awlaki’s sleepers plan that called for finding people with dual-citizenship/established visas and could be turned.

Whoever was their handler is going to be tied to Awlaki, and he will be the one who nudged Tamerlan in this direction.

When Awlaki and his son were killed, Tamerlan decided to act because they were American-born Muslims he could identify with.

Awlaki’s son was the same age as Dzhokar at the time he died.

The Islamic Society of Boston had crossed paths with Awlaki before he went total jihadi and after. Some imam’s in Boston were against him, but that doesn’t mean the entire congregate was.

This is what the Obama admin wants to bury. It plays directly into the narrative that his foreign policy approach is actually building more resentment.

budfox on May 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Update: Via Instapundit, DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning

Who are you going to believe?
The Saudis who believe in lying to advance Islam but not at the expense of the royals?
Or this administration that believes in lying to fundamentally transform us into a godless nation by demonizing Christians and taking away all of our rights that they deem to be negative and detrimental to big govt.

I’ll take option one.

AH_C on May 1, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Update: DHS denies knowledge of any warning

Yes, everybody is lying except the DHS.

Of course, saying they have no knowledge of any warning is not the same as saying they were never warned.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Yeah, two different things. Weasels.

forest on May 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Who cares who warned us and when? How many thousands of other jihadis-in-waiting have we been warned about in the past several years? And what are we supposed to do – herd them into internment camps? I had figured that 9-11 was a big enough warning for us? Guess not.

RSbrewer on May 1, 2013 at 9:15 AM

DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning

Someone is lying, deliberately.

The Glenn Beck Saudi student seems more significant now. Was a member of the Saudi Royal family funding the brothers and the trade off “will give you information if you give our son back and let us deal with him?”

Why was Saudi Arabia interested in a Chechen immigrant to the US?

rbj on May 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I realize its Twitter, bu that denial by DHS sounds parsed.

There was no mention of Boston, or any Marathon attack, said the Saudi source. And only the one name provided,

SarahW on May 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Shouldn’t we be asking how many more “lone wolves” are out there that aren’t being identified due to “political correctness”? It seems that if you have this one lone wolf being radicalized and our government had enough warning signs to at least attempt to stop him, and they didn’t, what is next?

How many radical islamists are living among us and our government isn’t doing anything about it in the name of political correctness?

rsherwd65 on May 1, 2013 at 9:19 AM

RWM – great cartoon and good first laugh of the day! Thanks!

rsherwd65 on May 1, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I am not question the validity of the story, it could be very believable.

I question the timing of this story, why come out NOW, not before?

Sir Napsalot on May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM

rsherwd65 on May 1, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Isn’t it? I laughed when I saw it. I don’t normally feature sports cartoons, but it’s great.

Now, for another sports star and sheer awesomeness…

RGIII & The Tyranny of Political Correctness

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 9:31 AM

DHS is too busy patting down babies in wheelchairs and grandmothers at TSA checkpoints…plus buying lots of ammo…lots…

albill on May 1, 2013 at 9:32 AM

DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning

Most likely, Tapper ,representing the MSM ,composed the denial then had the DHS sign off on it.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Your tax dollars at work……yet today planned parenthood is cruisin along because killin a defenseless baby is easier than that stopping terrorist stuff

crosshugger on May 1, 2013 at 9:35 AM

When the president says “This is not an intelligence failure” he is correct. The intelligence was there. This is a policy failure. They fail to look at islamic radicals because they are too focused on possible right wing extremists.

Corsair on May 1, 2013 at 9:36 AM

I can so see Janet Napalitano in a Luftwaffe sergeant’s uniform saying “I know nuthink . . . I see nuthink . . .” at a press conference.

No Truce With Kings on May 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

who would Tamerlan be trying to meet, if that was indeed his intention in going to Saudi Arabia?

Perhaps because he is a Muslim practicing Islam as part of his Jihad aspirations, he thought he would go to Mecca once before his death as all good Muslims should.

…sorry for all the forbidden, inexplicable words ED.

BL@KBIRD on May 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Most likely, Tapper ,representing the MSM ,composed the denial then had the DHS sign off on it.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM

That isn’t fair at all. Tapper is one of the few (if not the only one) in the liberal press who refuses to stick his head in the sand when it comes to the truth. That doesn’t make him a conservative, but he doesn’t ignore the lies and pretend Obama’s sh!t smells like roses like everyone else in the liberal MSM does.

NotCoach on May 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM

DHS official: DHS has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi govt re: info on suspects in Boston Marathon Bombing prior to attack.

Vaunted MSM reporter quotes anonymous source. Pathetic.

Basilsbest on May 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM

That’s all that is left for Butch to do, simply deny, deny, deny.

They couldn’t ‘connect the dots’ because they are not allowed to connect the dots. Political correctness kills again.

We MUST stop all muslim immigration. Student visas, tourist, refugee, all of them. No more muslims. If it saves the life of a single child, we must do it.

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM

While it is wise and prudent to wait for corroboration, the sad fact is that I trust the Saudis more than my own government.

Liam on May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM

and may I add—I trust the DailyUK more than I trust any of our print media…

hillsoftx on May 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Agree on all, and I’m ready to add Russian intelligence to the list.

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 9:59 AM

DHS issues a denial to Jake Tapper of any knowledge of such a warning

There is an unfortunate tendency around here to believe that Tapper is “one of the good guys”, perhaps because he appears to be, if ever so slightly, less detestable than the rest of the MSM crowd. I don’t think Tapper himself is at all confused where his best interests and loyalties lie – nor should we be. He’s just playing the good-cop/bad-cop game with us.

bofh on May 1, 2013 at 10:00 AM

So it’s come to this: The average American finds Russian and Saudi intel more trustworthy than his own country’s.

apostic on May 1, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Bush was informed that there was the possibility of attack in New York in March of 2001 but ignored it.
DHS: (which Bush formed to not allow a 9/11 to ever happen again) – yeah the info was there but we just think it was credible.
Media: Bush lies, the government lies you need to vote Democrats into office to right this wrong!

Now we have:
Russia and Saudi Arabia say they warned us ahead of time.
DHS: No they didn’t.
Media: and there you have it… Obama had no warning. If you can’t trust the government who can you trust? Obama’s doing his best… Now lets moveon.org… Oh and because of our objective and non-biased reporting that we always make in deference to our editors we’ll all quit and strike if the Koch. Bros buy our unbiased papers.

Skywise on May 1, 2013 at 10:01 AM

If the House really wants to raise hell over this, they will invite, as guests, a representative from Saudi and Russian intelligence to counter all the feelgood-islam crap we get from the REB’s administration. I will trust their testimony over Butch’s.

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Hey! Obama said that the FBI and everyone else ‘did what they were supposed to do’.

So there will be an ‘investigation’. Just like “Fast and Furious” and Benghazi.

Guess what?

I’ve a feeling the “investigation” will determine that ‘the FBI and everyone else did what they were supposed to do’.

Besides, what difference does it make?

GarandFan on May 1, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Do we have to get all of our information from other-than-US sources? Here is another disturbing tidbit re the Boston lockdown manhunt:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317511/Boston-manhunt-skipped-area-bombing-suspect–just-400-yards-abandoned-getaway-car.html

onlineanalyst on May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Sharia-based totalitarian government suspects Tsarnaev, probably listening to the international buzz on Tamerlan, despite the obvious desire of all Muslims to visit Mecca for the obligatory hajj:

VISA DENIED

Liberty-loving society built on freedom fast-passes any and all Saudi visitors with no vetting done by U.S. Embassy, even though you can’t play “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” in The Kingdom because everyone is a first-degree blood relative to a 9/11 jihadist, turning the alcohol-soaked jaunt to the Great Satan into an E-ticket ride:

VISA GIFT-WRAPPED

winoceros on May 1, 2013 at 10:07 AM

…the rejection wasn’t Tsarnaev’s connection to Chechnya, but because the Saudis thought he had connections in Yemen

Maybe the US is the private international joke “Let them stay in America…’GITMO To The World.’”

winoceros on May 1, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Do we have to get all of our information from other-than-US sources?

onlineanalyst on May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM

John Hinderaker @ Power Line this morning, on this latest development:

In the meantime, this story is one more reminder that if you want to know what is going on in the U.S., you have to read the British papers.

Dr. Goebbels, pick up the Courtesy Phone.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

The whole point of the DHS was to have one place where all the data collected so that they couldn’t say “well we didn’t have all the information”…

Well, apparently the DHS consolidation didn’t accomplish that goal. And it might have actually made it worse. Since any one agency might independently put the pieces together but if they’re all pushing the paper up to a central agency that is asleep at the switch then its worse then useless. It gives the impression of doing something thus suppressing efforts to clear any possible blockage.

The DHS always seemed like a bad idea to me. It turns out it was every bit as bad as assumed.

Karmashock on May 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

The Saudis’ warning to the U.S. government was also shared with the British government. ‘It was very specific’ and warned that ‘something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,’ the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.

It ‘did name Tamerlan specifically,’ he added. The ‘government-to-government’ letter, which he said was sent to the Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.


The letter likely came to DHS via the Saudi Ministry of Interior, the agency tasked with protecting the Saudi kingdom’s homeland.

A Homeland Security official confirmed Tuesday evening on the condition of anonymity that the 2012 letter exists, saying he had heard of the Saudi communication before MailOnline inquired about it.

An aide to a Republican member of the House Homeland Security Committee speculated Tuesday about why the Obama administration contradicted the knowledgeable Saudi official.

‘It is possible the Department of Homeland Security received the information from the Saudi government but never passed it on to the White House,’ the GOP staffer said. ‘Communication between DHS and the White House’s national security apparatus isn’t always what it should be.’

‘I can easily see it happening where one hand didn’t know what the other was doing because of a turf war.’

‘Just like the different agencies in the Boston JTTF [Joint Terrorism Task Force] want credit for breaking the Tsarnaev case,’ the aide added, ‘they sometimes jealously guard the very intel they should be sharing the most freely. Sometimes it makes no sense at all.’

Gee, maybe Obama really “isn’t aware of the notion” of just about anything. Just sits in that man-cave guarded by Reggie and his diverse-o-rama Secret Service cadre, chain-smoking, watching ESPN and shows about his own self. Or so busy being a great father, or something.

winoceros on May 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Karmashock on May 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

It behooves lawmakers and advocates to think about what they ask for when they petition for “efficiency” in government. It must be carefully layered with oversight. The attractiveness to the normal business mind of having all data available in one spot for analysis and dispensation is only one side of the coin.

The other side of the coin, is that in a government agency, it leaves a few people to stifle, hide and strangle all the information because it isn’t going to get out anywhere else. They have control of it all. They gain nothing by moving all the information through or acting on it…it’s not like they’ve seen the American people punish a government who allows its citizens to be killed constantly, allows subversives to roam freely in the streets, encourages these subversives to “partner” with intelligence, and lies about its performance.

They have everything to gain by hiding it. Collateral damage at acceptable levels.

winoceros on May 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

We should keep a few things in mind:

The CIA and the rest of the Federal government didn’t have an inkling about the instability in East Germany until The Wall fell. In fact, the CIA learned of the fall of The Wall along with the rest of the world…by watching it on the telly.

CIA Director William Casey once said that he learned more about what was happening in the Soviet Union from an Moscow-based, American foreign correspondent (NYT’s Jane Mayer?) than he did from ALL of his agents and operatives there.

I think we often put to much faith in the intelligence community. Far too often, it has proved itself to be long on ‘community’ and short on ‘intelligence.’

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM

The Dee-Atch-Ess will go down in history as Bush 2′s biggest folly. It sounded good at the time, but there was nowhere to go with such a conglomeration of LE with so little genuine oversight but down the inevitable slippery slope. I fear it will gradually become much worse with each “crisis” being exploited by those who crave power and care nothing for our Constitution and our humanity.

hillbillyjim on May 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM

No it didn’t. Besides – we already had one: isn’t ‘Homeland Security’ kinda implied by ‘Defense’..?

affenhauer on May 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Let’s see. Russia said they warned us. Saudi is saying they warned us. No coverage from US press. Easy conclusion here. Obama didn’t know about anything related to this so all’s good.

Remember when Bush was the source of all misery the dems could imagine?

DanMan on May 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I think Bush secretly, with Cheney’s help no doubt, somehow before he left office fixed the Government email and secure cable infrastructure so that important cables got dumped into spam folders. His evil knows no bounds and he wants Obama to look bad.

It’s the only thing that makes sense.

Lily on May 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

‘It was very specific’ and warned that ‘something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,’

Ummmm…. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Or, are they using it like some idiots do when they accuse Bush of having known what was going to happen on 9/11 because he saw the threats in his daily intelligence reports? (Which, iirc, were along the lines of “we think terrorists might try to turn an airplane into a weapon, someday.”)

GWB on May 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Self Radicalization…it’s not them, it’s us. Dear Leader and Big Sis know it’s our fault.
No American media outlet cares.

d1carter on May 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

This is a legal immigrant the Obama administration was warned about by two foreign governments via the FBI, CIA and DHS. Yet this Islamic terrorist was still able to kill and maim American citizens. We are somehow supposed to believe the same Obama administration and DHS is going to vet 11 mil illegal immigrants?

Hera on May 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Wouldn’t the wife know that he had tried to go to Mecca and was turned down? Why aren’t we waterboarding her? I don’t understand how he could just take off for six months with her permission.
Do we even know the exact dates that he was away?

I am so sick of this half a$$ reporting by the MSM.

Blake on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM

It would be a fatal mistake to assume he needed her permission.

Muslim men own their women. Sometimes a cow is worth more than a woman. Therefore, a muslim no more needs his wife’s, or wives’, permission to do, go, say, think anything.

AH_C on May 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

It would be a fatal mistake to assume he needed her permission.

Muslim men own their women. Sometimes a cow is worth more than a woman. Therefore, a muslim no more needs his wife’s, or wives’, permission to do, go, say, think anything.

AH_C on May 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Celebrate Diversity!

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM

DHS doesn’t know anything about the Saudi letter?

Now, that I believe.

Remember: The DHS was created because the intelligence agencies did not connect the dots on 9/11 and did not coordinate the various intelligence sources to identify threats to the nation. The “solution” was a giant bureaucracy that would take on that task. How’s that working out so far?

The most expensive ignorance money can buy. And George W. Bush thought it was a great idea.

Socratease on May 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

DHS official: DHS has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi govt re: info on suspects in Boston Marathon Bombing prior to attack.

The System is Working All Over the Goddamn Place ain’t it?

BigWyo on May 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

lol

Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Thanks for the laugh.

DDay on May 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Ok…be honest…WHO IS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS WARNED BY 2 (TWO) NATIONS OF THESE TERRORISTS, THE TERRORISTS WERE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THEIR BOMBINGS/KILLING OF AMERICANS, & THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOW CLAIMING IGNORANCE?!

Actually, I agree with the administration – they are completely IGNORANT…not to mention inept, clueless, law-breaking/Islamic Extremist/Terrorist Sympathizers.

5 Year later, massive unemployment, record-setting deficit spending, down-graded Credit, and nearly $17 trillion in debt:
– Not my fault, had nothing to do with it, don’t know ‘nuthing ’bout it.

AIDED Al Qaeda-Backed rebels take over Libya AND KILL OUR AMBASSADOR. Aided the terrorist organization the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt AND FACILITATE THE SACKING OF OUR CAIRO EMBASSY ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11. Knew NOTHING about Major Hassan – a man who threatened to behead his fellow officers if they dd not convert to Islam, was a member of a Jihadist web site & called himself a ‘Soldier of Allah’, & who yealled out ‘Allah Ackbar’ as he gunned down his fellow soldiers – and labeled it as a case of ‘Work Place Violence instead of ANOTHER successful terrorist attack on Obama’s watch due to a massive INTEL & Homeland Security FAILURE!

NOW the facts are coming out that not only did RUSSIA warn us about these guys MONTHS ago but so did the SAUDIS! So how STUPID, INEPT, and potentially DECEPTIVE does the FBI, Homeland Security, & the entire Obama administration look by showing the daces of these 2 on TV and asking ‘do you now who they are’ when THEY knew who they were?! The Obama admin are looking like BUFOONS!

BTW, after 9/11 zero terrorists reached their targets on US soil under Bush. Under Obama, 5 terrorists have reached their targets (Underwear bomber – dud, but reached the tgt/military recruiter gunned won by Jihadist/Hassan-Ft Hood/2 boston Bombers)! Just sayin’….

easyt65 on May 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM

…and with this breaking news about the Saudi advance warning, alrm bells should going off in EVERYONE’S head about the Saudi student picked up in Boston immediately after the bombing – a student who VISITED THE WHITE HOUSE NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE PAST (anyone know of any other college kids with that kind of access to the W.H.? Hell, Obama shut down any of US visiting the WH anymore!), a student who was VISITED IN THE HOSPITAL BY MICHELLE OBAME (again, what is so special about THIS student to merrit a visit from the 1st Lady?), & a student who was being deported immediately … especially after an unannounced / unscheduled visit with Obama from a Saudi Diplomat…

If it looks like a turd & smells like a turd….

Just sayin’…

easyt65 on May 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

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