Benghazi survivor: Help was close enough but never sent

posted at 8:01 am on April 30, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Were they? Kerry Picket snags this clip from a Fox News exclusive last night for Breitbart, but pay close attention to the timing expressed by the Benghazi survivor/witness, and remember the attack didn’t stay constant:

A special operations member who witnessed the attack on the U.S. Mission unfold in Benghazi, Libya on September 11 last year, as well as debriefed those who took part in the response, spoke with Fox News’ Adam Housley on Monday night and revealed information that directly contradicts the administration’s insistence that there was not enough time nor resources to send to Benghazi to help State Department employees, contractors, and intel operatives who were under a terrorist attack. FNC kept their source’s identity hidden, as witnesses to the Benghazi attack have reportedly been intimidated by the administration into silence. The assault left four Americans dead, including U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens.

“I know for a fact that C110 was doing a training exercise not in the region of northern Africa but in Europe and they have the ability to react and respond,” the special ops member told FNC.

The C110 is a 40-man special operations commanders and extremists force. They are capable of rapid response and deployment and are specifically trained for Benghazi attack-like incidents. The night of the attack, according to the special op, they were training 3 & 1/2 hours away in Croatia.

“We have the ability to load out, get on birds, at a minimum stage. C110 had the ability to be there, in my opinion, in 4 to 6 hours from their European theater to react. They would have been there before the second attack,” he said, adding, “And you hear a whole bunch of advisers say, ‘We wouldn’t have sent them there, because the security was an unknown situation.’ If it’s an unknown situation, at a minimum, you send forces there to facilitate the exfill—medical, injuries. We could have sent a C130 to provide medical evacuation for the injured.”

All true — but consider that what we think of as the attack on the Benghazi consulate was actually two separate attacks. The first on the consulate began at 9:30 pm, when the first shots were fired, and was over by 11 pm. Security reinforcements from Tripoli arrived at the fallback annex at 1:45 am, about 4 hours after the first attack began and slightly under 3 hours after it ended. Shortly after, a second attack hits the annex and lasts for a little over an hour, when Glenn Doherty and Tyrone Woods were killed.

Now, if the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe right at 9:30 pm, they might have arrived in time to fight the second attack on the annex — but only just barely, based on the estimate of this survivor/witness; 4 hours would have been 1:30 am. The security detail from Tripoli, which was much closer, had only just arrived in time for the second firefight, at 1:45. Bear in mind, though, that the Tripoli detachment came on their own rather than waiting for orders from State, which were not forthcoming anyway:

Instead, seven men who were American reinforcements in Tripoli, along with Agent Glenn Doherty, commandeered a jet and flew to Benghazi. Ultimately, Doherty and Tyrone Woods would be killed on the roof of the CIA annex.

The special op member told Fox News, “If it wasn’t for that decision, I think we would be talking completely different about this situation. I think you would be looking at 20 plus hostages captured by AQ or you would be looking at a lot of dead Americans in Benghazi.”

In other words, they weren’t even calling Tripoli, let alone Europe.

The better question in this case isn’t the status of response forces in Europe. It’s why the State Department ignored multiple security warnings from the late Ambassador, why the Obama administration couldn’t figure out that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a critical day to prepare against attacks, and why the US ignored the warning signs that had led all other Western nations to leave Benghazi before our consulate got sacked. By the time of the actual attack on 9/11, it was too late in more ways than one for the US to respond. The red lights had been flashing for weeks or even months, and everyone ignored them almost to the last moment.


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A better question is all the signs that lead up to 9/11/2012
There was plenty of time to be prepared.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:05 AM

The better question in this case isn’t the status of response forces in Europe. It’s why the State Department ignored multiple security warnings from the late Ambassador,

Never mind.
Ed already mentioned it.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Automatic-start videos automatically ruin all posts, all the time, automatically…

mjbrooks3 on April 30, 2013 at 8:08 AM

3AM call?

Straight to voicemail

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Automatic-start videos automatically ruin all posts, all the time, automatically…

mjbrooks3 on April 30, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Firefox with the “Stop Autoplay” plug-in.
Works great.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Government intimidation:
Obama administration officials threatened whistle-blowers on Benghazi, lawyer says

At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to Congress, Fox News has learned.

Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official and Republican counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, is now representing one of the State Department employees. She told Fox News her client and some of the others, who consider themselves whistle-blowers, have been threatened by unnamed Obama administration officials.

petefrt on April 30, 2013 at 8:10 AM

that directly contradicts the administration’s insistence that there was not enough time nor resources to send to Benghazi to help State Department employees, contractors, and intel operatives who were under a terrorist attack.

Even if that’s true, the excuse is lame 20/20 hindsight. They didn’t even try to get help there, and no one knew how much time they had between the first and second attacks.

“Yeah, I knew the kid was drowning, but he would have been dead by the time I got there, so I didn’t bother.”

RadClown on April 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Sweeping under the rug ….gotta get Hillary elected
-lsm

cmsinaz on April 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I guess the lesson to be learnt here.

Don’t play in Al Quada’s backyard during a presidential election year.
Especially if Obama is on the ticket.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:12 AM

The better question in this case isn’t the status of response forces in Europe. It’s why the State Department ignored multiple security warnings from the late Ambassador, why the Obama administration couldn’t figure out that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a critical day to prepare against attacks, and why the US ignored the warning signs that had led all other Western nations to leave Benghazi before our consulate got sacked.

Let’s not brush off the “calling Europe” thing so quickly.

Now, if the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe right at 9:30 pm, they might have arrived in time to fight the second attack on the annex — but only just barely, based on the estimate of this survivor/witness; 4 hours would have been 1:30 am.

Maybe true (really depends on where in Europe they were coming from, most likely Italy). But some of this is playing armchair general. At 21:30, nobody knew there was to be a second attack at 01:45. It’s not like the Islamic mob provided Ambassador Stevens a schedule for the attack. We know that State was getting real-time video. Why wasn’t the C110 unit called in for possible assistance? If not by Tripoli by Foggy Bottom?

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:12 AM

WH talking points to ignore this and bash gop for bringing it up in 5 …4….3….

cmsinaz on April 30, 2013 at 8:13 AM

The attack simply didn’t fit the narrative that the War on Terror is over. Obama and Clinton are so arrogant they think they can control the entire message and if they don’t say it, it didn’t happen. Look at the Sunday talk shows immediately after. Obama and Clinton both have blood on their hands, but, hey, a nobody NBA player just came out, so meh.

teacherman on April 30, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Bladerdash…

Everybody knows, as a fact, this Benghazi event was merely the result of a protest against an inflammatory anti-Moslen video (posted on YouTube) that got out of hand.

Our President said so.

Who you gonna believe?

Secretary of State says it was so.

And our Ambassador to the United Nations said it, too, at least five times.

These are not the droids you are looking for, these are not the droids you are looking for, these are not….

Obiwan, I don’t think it is working….

coldwarrior on April 30, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Warning signs? What warning signs? It was the video, stupid!
– LSM

Liam on April 30, 2013 at 8:15 AM

By the time of the actual attack on 9/11, it was too late in more ways than one for the US to respond. The red lights had been flashing for weeks or even months, and everyone ignored them almost to the last moment.

Be fair to Dear Liar, he had a campaign to run. What’s more important, the life of an ambassador or the re-election of The Whine?

/sarc

rbj on April 30, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Democrats are never held accoutable. Pubs are too stupid to know how to play the game to win. Democrats do not play by any rules, while the stupid Pubs think rules apply. Pubs will never be able to hold anyone responsible for the deaths and cover up of the dead Americans and the lies told by Hillary and Barry. Hillary will end up being POTUS. Folks who should have been tried and shot for treason are running the country.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Romney was too scared to even make this an issue in the debates or the election when it was fresh meat. No one cares now. Americans have a short attention span. This is old news. Grabbing gunswith Toomey’s help and giving amnesty to 40 million illegals is what the Pubs. and Rubio are now trying to push. No one cares about Benghazi.

they lie on April 30, 2013 at 8:17 AM

This is criminal negligence. And Hillary is the prohibitive favorite for President in 2016?

MPan on April 30, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Hillary and the other one stood over the coffins of those men and made speeches full of lies. They have no souls.

Naturally Curly on April 30, 2013 at 8:22 AM

When the attacks began – there was no way to know whether the conflict would be over in 7 hours or 7 days. The mere fact that nothing was deployed by our government is reprehensible. They were left to die. why?!

jwehman on April 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

What was that line from nonpartisan?

Oh yeah..

“Obama’s intentions are noble”

If he is paying attention.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Benghazi survivor: Help was close enough but never sent

I don’t get it – we all knew this already – what is the news here? – is the news that this is being spoken of in the press – on Fox – again?

jake-the-goose on April 30, 2013 at 8:24 AM

why?!

jwehman on April 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Pre-sequester jitters?
/

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM

A better question is all the signs that lead up to 9/11/2012
There was plenty of time to be prepared.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Why would you expect defense and the state department to be at a higher state of alert on 9/11/2012? Who do you think they are, Carnac the Magnificent?

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

How about sending the C110 anyway. In the meantime get a couple of Super Hornets or whatever they have anywhere in the area and have them break every window in Tripoli with a few supersonic NOE flybys.

These people didn’t even TRY, they didn’t do ANYTHING, just sat on their thumbs because they were too scared to push Dog Eater to make a decision while he packed for Vegas. If those criminals can abandon an ambassador and two SEAL’s what do you think you are worth to them.

Bishop on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

3AM call?

Straight to voicemail

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Hey! Let’s not forget the busy day the rat-eared coward had on the 12th. He’s never at his best for fundraisers without a solid nights sleep. And this one was in Las Vegas!

I can only imagine the conversation the next morning.

Mr. President, Ambassador Stevens is dead.

Who?

Your ambassador in Tripoli.

Where?

Tripoli is in Libya, sir.

Oh! The missing guy. Dead?

Yes Mr. President.

How’d he die?

The consulate in Benghazi, that’s also in Libya sir, was overrun by Al Qaeda and Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans were killed. The consulate has been looted and it appears that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed and his body was paraded through the streets afterward.

That isn’t going to help with my campaign. Get Clinton over here and blame it on that YouTube video we’re using as the excuse why the Cairo embassy was overrun and the Al Qaeda flag replaced the American flag on the building. And take that thing Romney said about Cairo and tell the reporters to make it sound like he was talking about that Ben-whatever place where that guy was killed. And let’s make it quick, I’ve got a fundraiser and party in Las Vegas tonight and this could be a real distraction.

Yes Mr. President. The usual procedures will be done.

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

All true — but consider that what we think of as the attack on the Benghazi consulate was actually two separate attacks. The first on the consulate began at 9:30 pm, when the first shots were fired, and was over by 11 pm. Security reinforcements from Tripoli arrived at the fallback annex at 1:45 am, about 4 hours after the first attack began and slightly under 3 hours after it ended. Shortly after, a second attack hits the annex and lasts for a little over an hour, when Glenn Doherty and Tyrone Woods were killed.

Now, if the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe right at 9:30 pm, they might have arrived in time to fight the second attack on the annex — but only just barely, based on the estimate of this survivor/witness; 4 hours would have been 1:30 am. The security detail from Tripoli, which was much closer, had only just arrived in time for the second firefight, at 1:45. Bear in mind, though, that the Tripoli detachment came on their own rather than waiting for orders from State, which were not forthcoming anyway:

But consider that we knew next to none of this when the order would have been placed to C110 Group and as this guy explains, they would still have arrived in time for exfill.

The real point is that C110 Group, or whoever, wasn’t put into action at all, and, for example to return to base while half across the Mediterranean, because it was all over by then.

The silliness of this type of argument is like the Feds, MA and Boston LE agencies arguing that they didn’t institute a region wide manhunt for the younger Tsarnaev brother was because some private citizen would spot him and call it in and he would be almost dead and of no danger by the time they would have found him.

Dusty on April 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM

If those criminals can abandon an ambassador and two SEAL’s what do you think you are worth to them.

Bishop on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

It appears they abandoned us again.
Boston.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM

>>>Now, if the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe right at 9:30 pm, they might have arrived in time to fight the second attack on the annex but only just barely, based on the estimate of this survivor/witness; 4 hours would have been 1:30 am. <<<<

The fact that they might have arrived in time is reason enough for any administration to have sent them in, except this administration.

crazywater on April 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM

This is criminal negligence. And Hillary is the prohibitive favorite for President in 2016?

MPan on April 30, 2013 at 8:22 AM

You can’t hold Clinton criminally negligent. But, like Watergate, the real problem for the rat-eared coward and his co-conspirators is not the actual event but the cover-up. That is why this continues to fester despite the administration’s best efforts to kill the story including Clinton’s “At this point does it matter” and Kerry’s “I’m not going to spend the next year coming up here (Capital Hill) to talk about this.”

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

I highly doubt this…the thing lasted like 6-7 hours. Nothing moves that fast in the military. Especially, when its on another continent.

rubberneck on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Some NBA guy came out of the closet.
It’s huge relief on him.
He’s a hero.
And Mooch has his back.

But if you are serving our Country in a terrorist stricken area.
Tough Sh!t Sherlock.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Help was close enough but never sent

HELP was prevented from assisting, by obama’s “STAND DOWN” order – obama was watching the attack unfold, via live-feed, but, he wanted Stevens (specifically), and as many embassy employees as possible, dead – they knew too much.

Pork-Chop on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Nothing moves that fast in the military. Especially, when its on another continent.

rubberneck on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

What does another continent have to do with this?

Back some 230 years ago we had Minute Men.
I wonder why they were called that?

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

When the attacks began – there was no way to know whether the conflict would be over in 7 hours or 7 days. The mere fact that nothing was deployed by our government is reprehensible. They were left to die. why?!

jwehman on April 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

“Why” remains the main question. What secret could possibly be worth the length and breadth of the coverup that developed. My only theory, that far more died than have been admitted is all I can come up with. It explains the unavailability of survivors. The only dead they had to admit to were those of the bodies they had to leave behind. The real death toll is 10-16.

Would they really think they could get away with a coverup that audacious?

If not that, then what? What were they doing there that could lead to a coverup? Motive people, motive.

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Looks like rubberdick is an expert in military logistics as well. Oh Joy.

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:40 AM

The time has come.

DTTS on April 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM

“for example told to return to base”

[Dusty on April 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM]

Dusty on April 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM

When the attacks began – there was no way to know whether the conflict would be over in 7 hours or 7 days. The mere fact that nothing was deployed by our government is reprehensible. They were left to die. why?!

jwehman on April 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Exactly. They didn’t do anything once the attack started, except order the nearest help to stand down — despite the fact that dozens of Americans were trapped in the consulate.

The fact that only four Americans died that night was due entirely to the extraordinary heroism — and willingness to defy orders — of Doherty and Woods.

Clinton and Obama were more than willing to allow dozens of American diplomatic personnel to be captured, tortured, murdered, etc., by AQ.

AZCoyote on April 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM

3AM call?

Straight to voicemail

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Hillary did worse than that, she had someone pick up the call and then hangup on it “in response” — denial of response, rejection of needs/requests and then publicly ridiculed the requests (“what does it matter“).

Obviously, the Benghazi location and Amb. Chris Stevens’ work was about clandestine activity and operations. Obama AND Hillary should have just admitted that and asked for some ongoing courtesy of privacy or discretion, along those lines, as to public declaration.

Their efforts to dismiss, diminish, ignore the situation, along with the US lives lost (and lost brutally, tragically, lost by utter neglect from superiors, by denial of emergency assistance) are the most disgusting to me — it displays Obama Admin need to service, court and spark, with enemies of this nation as opposed to supporting, defending American lives and integrity. It does not get any more cruel and terrible by anyone in the Executive Branch than that (or any other Branch, for that matter).

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 8:47 AM

This will get as much attention as when Clinton raped (allegedly) Juanita Broaddrick. It never happened, move along, move along.

We are ruled, not governed.

Mojave Mark on April 30, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 8:47 AM

And Brennan’s rendition of ‘intelligence’ is squishy of the hijab-kind.

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 8:48 AM

If not that, then what? What were they doing there that could lead to a coverup? Motive people, motive.

[slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM]

I don’t think that’s the reason, but, hey, I’d float that accusation just to force the Administration to produce those survivors.

Dusty on April 30, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Very well put.

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Typical of this administration—wait til you have a Grand Clusterfark confirmed before making a move…

hillsoftx on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM

So by this same logic, the paramedics and firefighters at Boston should have just stood down immediately after the first attack because who knew if they could even get to the people who were injured and in harm’s way before a second attack or if there would even be a second attack?

THE POINT in Benghazi IS THAT THEY SENT NO ONE!!!! Woods and Doherty went there AGAINST orders. That’s what “commandeered a jet” MEANS! In other words, without Doherty those 30 (or however many people) would not have been “survivors” but very likely hostages or dead.

Talking around and around who could have gotten there when isn’t the point. NO ONE WAS SENT IN TO HELP THEM. Think about that. NO ONE WAS SENT.

UnderstandingisPower on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM

The mere fact that nothing was deployed by our government is reprehensible. They were left to die. why?!

jwehman on April 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

It’s not true that nothing was deployed. Hillary Clinton was deployed to start the lie about a YouTube video. Susan Rice was deployed to repeat the lie on five Sunday talk shows. An FBI team was deployed to Tripoli where it waited for over a week while the Islamic mob and CNN went to Benghazi and collected classified material and Ambassador Stevens journal.

And why were they left to die?

First, whatever it was the CIA was doing in Behghazi (we all know pretty much what that was) didn’t fit the Arab Spring narrative that was a key element in the rat-eared coward’s reelection campaign. Ambassador Stevens had to die because there was an election to be won.

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Some NBA guy came out of the closet.
It’s huge relief on him.
He’s a hero.
And Mooch has his back.

But if you are serving our Country in a terrorist stricken area.
Tough Sh!t Sherlock.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:37 AM

You know who was also gay? Ambassador Christopher Stevens. I guess Mooch didn’t have his back.

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM

…And why were they left to die?

First, whatever it was the CIA was doing in Behghazi (we all know pretty much what that was) didn’t fit the Arab Spring narrative that was a key element in the rat-eared coward’s reelection campaign. Ambassador Stevens had to die because there was an election to be won.

Happy Nomad on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM

AND the need to politically protect Hillary’s political reputation.

Obama, Hillary, the rest of that Admin., ready and eager to keep up the Tall Tales and with the Big Dollars and Parties at the cost of the “expendable” Americans. AND those lies smearing that video was aimed at smearing a CHRISTIAN guy responsible for it which also worked to satisfy the hateful Islam rioters’ lusts.

It’s a surprise Obama or Hillary didn’t try smearing the whole inquiry or alarm about Benghazi “because it took the focus off the B-39 bomber” (see, WAG THE DOG). They really did as much with claiming that the two heroe SEALS “acted against orders” and all the rest.

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Hillary Clinton ignored repeated requests, some by the ambassador himself, to either keep security in place or add additional security. She lied to Congress and the American people about her involvement.

Even worse, as this incident occurred and the lives of these men hung in the balance, Secretary Clinton and the President took no actions to save their lives.

In the process, they wrote these men off as casualties of their war on political correctness and to promote a fantasy this administrations policies in the Middle East did not create a more dangerous world. Absolute, unmitigated fiction.

Now they are trying to suppress people from telling the truth. Here’s a simple question- why? What do they have to lose by hearing from these people. There are no real security or intelligence concerns they’ve articulated.

You’re seeing the same feckless, indecisive and dangerous actions at work in Syria and Egypt. And we are worse off for it.

We’ve seen, ad nauseum, pictures from the night of our military’s raid to kill OBL. Where are the pictures from the night of Benghazi? Rhetorically, there are none because political ass-covering took precedent over wise and timely decisions. In the process, good men were killed, the President flew to a fundraiser in Vegas and Hillary lied to Congress in order to save her hide.

The entire incident is disgusting.

Marcus Traianus on April 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM

This is obviously Mitt Romney’s fault.

HumpBot Salvation on April 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Hillary Clinton ignored repeated requests, some by the ambassador himself, to either keep security in place or add additional security. She lied to Congress and the American people about her involvement.

Even worse, as this incident occurred and the lives of these men hung in the balance, Secretary Clinton and the President took no actions to save their lives.

(…)
The entire incident is disgusting.

Marcus Traianus on April 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Yes, you are so right: disgusting.

Hillary’s lying to Congress should NOT be allowed to slip into the quiet past, even despite the media’s efforts to let it do so.

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Motive? How about the possibility that this was some infighting on our part? Maybe CIA wanted to do something, WH didn’t. It is all too easy to picture WH saying “Fine, you want to go in there, go ahead, but don’t come begging for help if anything goes wrong”. Toss in a little “plausible” deniability (via YouTube), and there you have it, all tied up with a nice ribbon.

Lucky Pierre on April 30, 2013 at 9:08 AM

…why the Obama administration couldn’t figure out that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a critical day to prepare against attacks…

Incompetent or intentional, “What difference does it make?”.

/hillary 2016

roy_batty on April 30, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Now they are trying to suppress people from telling the truth. Here’s a simple question- why? What do they have to lose by hearing from these people. There are no real security or intelligence concerns they’ve articulated…

Marcus Traianus on April 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Reasonable leadership would have (too late now to exercise reason, however)…would have announced immediately some emergency needs for clandestine/intelligence purposes to keep this “entire situation” as quiet as possible, begged for public discretion and understanding.

OBVIOUSLY the Benghazi and Amb. Stevens’ job involved if not were defined by intelligence activity — supplying arms to the bad guys, funneling more cash to them, whatever, whichever — but how Obama (and HIllary, and Kerry, and Brennan, and…) have attempted to use this tragedy for their political purposes has only encouraged their corrupt reputations. They look far more corrupt now than ever before and they looked awfully corrupt the day after the tragedy itself.

So their corruption suggests to me that whatever actions they’re involved in (and were as to Benghazi which shouldn’t be assumed to have ceased with the embassy ruin and lives lost there) is beyond tolerable to the public. It’s gotta’ be something really horrible that not even Obama and Hillary could excuse away for any reason.

Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 9:09 AM

What were they doing there that could lead to a coverup? Motive people, motive.

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

My theory for this elaborate COVER-UP …

The administration had been illegally arming the Syrian rebels – with weapons that cannot be traced to the U.S.. Stevens (and other embassy employees) had been meeting regularly with Turkish arms dealers, who supplied readily available and untraceable weapons from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels.

Stevens and other specific individuals, knew too much and had to be eliminated – the embassy attack may have just been a convenient coincidence – OR – it may have been planned by the administration.

Pork-Chop on April 30, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I highly doubt this…the thing lasted like 6-7 hours. Nothing moves that fast in the military. Especially, when its on another continent.

rubberneck on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

You an expert on special ops movements now are you?

The truly disturbing part.. for the developmentally handicapped..

HE DIDN’T EVEN TRY TO HELP OUR PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.. NOTHING TILL IT WAS FAR TOO LATE.. HE DIDN’T EVEN TRY..

I cannot imagine.. Reagan, Bush, GW Bush, Clinton, Ford Nixon, Eisenhower, JFK..

Doing nothing and going to bed, with an ambassador missing an a full military attack on our embassy ongoing..

I served in Carter’s last six months, he was detested to a man in the ranks.. and Obama is worse, so wrapped up in his liberal hard left dogma, if it didn’t fit his narrative he choked, did NOTHING..

and let our people die screaming for help..

and he didn’t bother because?

he said, adding, “And you hear a whole bunch of advisers say, ‘We wouldn’t have sent them there, because the security was an unknown situation.’

There is not a GI in America who wouldn’t call that pure Bullschhit. Our people were being killed, you go, you grab your gear and board the plane and get there just as fast as the aircraft can fly, and then.. you do what GI’s do, you own the enemy.. Being outnumbered didn’t stop those SEALS from racking up a body count, and saving maybe 30 other Americans.. and your response to the entire sordid debacle..

is meh.. probably wouldn’t have gotten there soon enough..

we’ll never know will we?

Obama is burying the evidence with the men he let die. I disliked Clinton, detested Carter..

but for Obama with this blood on his lazy, brain dead adherence to leftist policy dogma.. I have learned to hate him with the rage of a sun. It’s one thing to try and fail, that shows at least he would have had compassion,..

but he didn’t care enough, to stay up, or miss a fund raiser..

he went to bed..

to bed..

That sends chills down the spine of any of us who carried a weapon for this country. He didn’t care.. his sleep schedule was vastly more important that American lives..

How DARE anyone say that doesn’t matter..

mark81150 on April 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Security reinforcements from Tripoli arrived at the fallback annex at 1:45 am,

Okay, I’m confused.

I thought they got to the Benghazi airport at that time, but got stuck there for hours and didn’t get to the annex until about 5:00a.m. (They also went to the hospital first and tried to commandeer weapons on their way to the annex too.)

If the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe, and arrived between say, 2 and 4a.m., would they have faced the same delays?

lynncgb on April 30, 2013 at 9:31 AM

What I am getting out of all of this is that our Government did not even try to save these people. Never even tried.

That is sad.

Jabberwock on April 30, 2013 at 9:35 AM

“unknown situation” — sounds pretty much like an average day for your local volunteer fire department, eh?

“response travel time” — back in the 1950s, the F104G StarFighter was hot stuff — spec’d at 1350kts, flat out. By today’s standards, its a dog.
The one-hour range to Benghazi, in that F104G, looks like this: http://bit.ly/100SQIp
Hard to imagine that O’Barky couldn’t find SOMETHING current to send over, if only to buzz the city.

/trivia — the Texas ANG had F104s. GWB flew a F104.
/.

CaveatEmpty on April 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The C110 is a 40-man special operations commanders and extremists force.

So whats the lineup of this team? A couple of Generals and some jihadis?

BobMbx on April 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM

but he didn’t care enough, to stay up, or miss a fund raiser..

he went to bed..

to bed..

That sends chills down the spine of any of us who carried a weapon for this country. He didn’t care.. his sleep schedule was vastly more important that American lives..

How DARE anyone say that doesn’t matter..

mark81150 on April 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM

I hope they get Danny Glover to play him in the movie.

BobMbx on April 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM

What was that line from nonpartisan?

Oh yeah..

“Obama’s intentions are noble”

If he is paying attention.

Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:24 AM

A man’s gotta sleep.

Hey, God took a day off too.

BobMbx on April 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM

lynncgb on April 30, 2013 at 9:31 AM

C110 would not have let some airport administrator stop them…their mission is to breach any barrier, move any mountain, to make sure their mission is fully accomplished. How many bad guys end up dead…doesn’t matter. Not germane to the OPLAN.

The whole point…the White House prevented any…repeat any…attempt to assist those being slaughtered in Benghazi.

Then promulgated lies. Scores of them.

Obama says the security situation was unknown?

Well…it was pretty unknown at Omaha Beach. We went anyway.

Why is the White House holding on to the lie?

Imagine if you will prior to the election, American citizens finding out that Obama had authorized the arming of al-Qaeda jihadis in Syria via Turkey.

Not trying to identify and train and equip Syrian citizens bent on removal of a tyrant, but arming known islamic terrorists who would then have easy access to chem and bio weapons, a Navy and an Air Force…

Think that’d play well, no matter how much Morning Joe, Maddow, Wolf and the rest tried to steer the “conversation?”

There is a lot more to this…tip of the ice berg.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2013 at 9:44 AM

How about sending the C110 anyway. In the meantime get a couple of Super Hornets or whatever they have anywhere in the area and have them break every window in Tripoli with a few supersonic NOE flybys.

These people didn’t even TRY, they didn’t do ANYTHING, just sat on their thumbs because they were too scared to push Dog Eater to make a decision while he packed for Vegas. If those criminals can abandon an ambassador and two SEAL’s what do you think you are worth to them.

Bishop on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Well said, Bishop.

I highly doubt this…the thing lasted like 6-7 hours. Nothing moves that fast in the military. Especially, when its on another continent.

rubberneck on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Bullhockey. I’ve been airborne in less than two hours from the time I was called at home. And that was a non-immediate emergency medical evacuation. I’ve been airborne in less time than that when a plane was prepped for alert. (I flew old jets that weren’t made for things like that.)

And you hear a whole bunch of advisers say, ‘We wouldn’t have sent them there, because the security was an unknown situation.’”

Yeah, this one has always bugged me. If you don’t know the situation, but people are dying or threatened, that’s exactly WHEN YOU DO send someone like the military. That’s what the heck they’re for! (One of the things.)

And, yes, if you don’t know if they’ll get there in time, so what? You still send a team to clean up, secure the area, protect anyone left, begin planning for recovery of personnel, etc. Dropping in a SF or Marine team to secure the annex and the consulate was the only possible right move. And they didn’t even do that.

GWB on April 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Just asking questions at Infowars HotAir. Hypocrites.

nottakingsides on April 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

What were they doing there that could lead to a coverup? Motive people, motive.

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

My theory for this elaborate COVER-UP …

The administration had been illegally arming the Syrian rebels – with weapons that cannot be traced to the U.S.. Stevens (and other embassy employees) had been meeting regularly with Turkish arms dealers, who supplied readily available and untraceable weapons from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels.

Stevens and other specific individuals, knew too much and had to be eliminated – the embassy attack may have just been a convenient coincidence – OR – it may have been planned by the administration.

Pork-Chop on April 30, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Possible. The American people would give the REB a pass on that, or at least not consider it impeachment-worthy, but it would really piss off the Russians, who had warned us against arming them. It may be that the REB agreed through back-channels to not arm them.

We may not be seeing the ‘why’ because it might be there’s an international factor like perhaps the Russians that we are not considering.

Maybe the Russians were even in on the attack, trying to close off gun-running to the rebels?

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Hillary!’s response would be: What difference does it make? I’m no longer Sec of State, and I’m busy planning my campaign for the 2016 presidential election. You conservatives are just continuing your “war on women”.

GarandFan on April 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM

But assuming that they could launch aircraft from Croatia, how would the C110 get from the aircraft to the consulate? Rental cars at the airport?

blink on April 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM

You’re missing the point.. how they would have reacted on the ground is to take what measures were necessary.. You think that any vehicle driver would tell an armed and pissed off spec ops operator “no” when told to get out of his truck?

The point is..

He did not try..

Imagine you’re holding back the door as two home invaders are trying to kick it in, and your kid yells out to the neighbor.. “CALL THE POLICE”….

is your response..

why bother, they’ll get here after you and your family are dead anyway?

seriously?

This is the Obama administration response? and it’s defenders?

It makes me feel sick some people just do not get it..

mark81150 on April 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

C110 would not have let some airport administrator stop them…

That’s what I was guessing. Sounds to me like if the C110 group had been dispatched, they may have had a shot at getting to the fallback annex even sooner than the security reinforcements from Tripoli. Those men hit alot of time consuming of roadblocks.

The whole point…the White House prevented any…repeat any…attempt to assist those being slaughtered in Benghazi.
There is a lot more to this…tip of the ice berg.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Yep, every time we get a bit more information it only leads to even more questions and it makes the administration look worse and worse.
It’s infuriating that the MSM continues to do nothing to help bring out the truth.

lynncgb on April 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Just asking questions at Infowars HotAir. Hypocrites.

nottakingsides on April 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

a hypocrite is a brain dead liberal raging about US coffins during the Bush years..

then when they come back home under Obama.. you go “meh”…

Speculation never bothered liberals when they very publicly said Trig was not Sarah’s child, but her daughters

Speculation never bothered liberals when they for WEEKS discussed wether Romney was a tax cheat, from ONE anonymous source, related by an idiot like Reid.

Speculation has never bothered the left ever, when it’s their weapon.. and who here has said, it was anything BUT speculation? Or does that not fit your VERY taking sides narrative Skippy?

mark81150 on April 30, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Sweeping under the rug ….gotta get Hillary elected
-lsm

cmsinaz on April 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I can’t go for the ‘it was all for Hillary’ theory. Is the REB that invested in Hil that he would risk his presidency to keep her viable? Why would he have that level of loyalty to Hil? So for the first time in his miserable life he set aside his obsession with himself, just for Hil?

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The better question in this case isn’t the status of response forces in Europe. It’s why the State Department ignored multiple security warnings from the late Ambassador, why the Obama administration couldn’t figure out that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a critical day to prepare against attacks, and why the US ignored the warning signs that had led all other Western nations to leave Benghazi before our consulate got sacked.

All good questions. But the cover-up must be exposed too.

We need to know what happened in Benghazi, and how the decisions to ignore the growing threats were made.

But we also need to know who orchestrated the cover-up. Those people were intentionally deceiving us to protect the re-election of the person who was ultimately responsible, and the future election hopes of his stooge. The lies, witness intimidation, and suppression of the evidence continue to this day.

Had the truth been revealed, Obama may well not have been re-elected, and any hopes Hillary had for another run at the presidency would have been dashed.

We can still accomplish the latter.

novaculus on April 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Ed’s question about whether help could have arrived on time or not misses the most important point, and the most important question.

Help was not sent to Benghazi. Why?

novaculus on April 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Now, if the C110 group had been called to Benghazi from Europe right at 9:30 pm, they might have arrived in time to fight the second attack on the annex — but only just barely, based on the estimate of this survivor/witness; 4 hours would have been 1:30 am.

F-16′s in Italy coulda been providing sonic booms at 500 feet to scare away the rodents within an hour or so.

Akzed on April 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

The C110 is a 40-man special operations commanders and extremists force.
So whats the lineup of this team? A couple of Generals and some jihadis?

BobMbx on April 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM

I’m pretty sure they meant Commander (in Chief)’s In-Extremis Force (CIF). ;)

Rufus Wilson on April 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Unfortunately this subject is lost within our echo chamber. I typically don’t speculate, but I will go out on a limb and say that over half of America has never heard of Benghazi and ninety percent of the Press will keep it this way. I’m sure RWM can straighten me out.

DDay on April 30, 2013 at 10:38 AM

From another thread:

Is this InfoWars or HA? Hypocrites.

nottakingsides on April 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM

From this thread:

Just asking questions at Infowars HotAir. Hypocrites.

nottakingsides on April 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Whatever they’re paying you…is too much.

bigmacdaddy on April 30, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I highly doubt this…the thing lasted like 6-7 hours. Nothing moves that fast in the military. Especially, when its on another continent.

rubberneck on April 30, 2013 at 8:35 AM

CIF teams (what the C110 group was) do. They’re designed to operate in precisely the types of situations that Benghazi was, and they can leave on a moment’s notice.

Rufus Wilson on April 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Welcome to the Brave New World. We are all serfs whose only value is measured by what we can be forced to do to enrich and further empower the ruling elite. As survivors of Benghazi are finding out, their lives have no more value than those sacrificed for Obama’s re-election. Few if any will test the resolve of this administration to bury Benghazi no matter what. Dark days ahead for this nation…

in_awe on April 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM

We’ll hop on this story after we recover from partying at the correspondent’s dinner.

/LSM

tommer74 on April 30, 2013 at 11:16 AM

If there is any justice in the Universe at all, this whole mess should sink any future Hillary political ambitions.

Neo on April 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

The better question in this case isn’t the status of response forces in Europe. It’s why the State Department ignored multiple security warnings from the late Ambassador, why the Obama administration couldn’t figure out that the anniversary of 9/11 would be a critical day to prepare against attacks, and why the US ignored the warning signs that had led all other Western nations to leave Benghazi before our consulate got sacked. By the time of the actual attack on 9/11, it was too late in more ways than one for the US to respond. The red lights had been flashing for weeks or even months, and everyone ignored them almost to the last moment.

As true as this is, let’s not forget one simple fact: when things on the ground went bad, they didn’t even try. And that traces back to some level of commanders. The question is, just how high up was the decision made to not even try.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I sometimes watch the Coast Guard show on the weather channel and I think that a “quick reaction force” would act in the same way. You get the phone call, you load up and go. We are talking about the middle east and northern Africa, of all places in the world to have a couple of these units, this would be the area.

But the units are useless if no one sends them in.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE PHONE CALL FIRST.

The administration has blood on its hands.

tommer74 on April 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Even when they are on a ready alert status they are NOT able to leave on a “moment’s notice.” Heck a search and rescue flight can’t even get ATC clearance for take-off within a moment’s notice (although it is faster than normal ATC clearance). Their “wheels up” time is probably an hour or more.

You don’t even know if they were on a ready alert status.

The operator claims that they were taking part in a training exercise in Croatia – so we don’t know the status of C110 when this whole thing went down. They may have been in the field in Croatia. They may have been on liberty. It’s absurd to assume that they were packed and ready to go at the airport with a fueled aircraft.

blink on April 30, 2013 at 11:04 AM

And you don’t understand the CIFs’ functions. They’re forward-deployed and a bit like first responders, so yes, they are ready to go at a moment’s notice. Please educate yourself.

Rufus Wilson on April 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Even if that’s true, the excuse is lame 20/20 hindsight. They didn’t even try to get help there, and no one knew how much time they had between the first and second attacks.

“Yeah, I knew the kid was drowning, but he would have been dead by the time I got there, so I didn’t bother.”

RadClown on April 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Exactly RC. These excuses are pure BS, they didn’t even try. The ONLY guys that responded did so on there OWN inititive. Tells me this was FUBAR from the start, not to even mention Ed’s point that the larger question is why this group was put in this situation to begin with. Makes my blood boil.
“who cares at this point”…the lady should rot in hell for saying that.

JusDreamin on April 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM

And then you have jerkoffs in the press like David Gregory asking McCain “What do you think they are covering up?”

Well, back in the day DAVID, the press would be digging for these answers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935FxdV7q2s

flstc on April 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I’ve never heard of C110 before, anyone know if this is the same thing as the Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Teams?

tommer74 on April 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM

So Ambassador Stevens and his aid were simply a necessary ‘cut-out’ and the two Seals were collateral damage because ‘The One’ couldn’t get with dirty hands. Nice. that must be a real moral booster for folks on the front lines. I’m certain Holder will get to the bottom of it.

ghostwalker1 on April 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Obama “deflected” a question on Benghazi at his press conference.

But expounded on the coming out of the gay basketball player at length.

profitsbeard on April 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

blink

You are never ready to go.

Good thing there are some who go ready or not.

When my team was called we went every time.

There were some remf’s who even tried to keep us from helping other teams, (your not ready, you may get ambushed, we will not be responsible) that kind of shit,,, may be you were one of them.

have a nice safe life

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

BLINK-RUFUS This argument is pointless. The scandal is not whether any action, in hindsight, could have been effective. The scandal is that our CinC, our President, did NOTHING AT ALL to aid those people. Simply SENDING ANY AVAILABLE AIRCRAFT AND TROOPS – getting them in motion, whether they arrived in time or not, would have been the MINIMUM required. Our troops are put in harm’s way with the expectation that backup is available and with no guarantee it will be effective. I mourn their loss. I despise the wanna-be CinC who went to sleep without authorizing any aid at all.

LarryinLA on April 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I’ve never heard of C110 before, anyone know if this is the same thing as the Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Teams?

tommer74 on April 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM

No. The FAST platoons are USMC assets. C110 = C Company, 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), an Army unit based in Germany. They are the Commander’s In-Extremis Force (CIF)for the European Command.

Hayabusa on April 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM

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