Video: Russian raid connected to Tsarnaev case?

posted at 8:01 am on April 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The timing certainly looks … intriguing. On Sunday morning, Russian forces raided the compound of an Islamist network once run by Abu Dujan in the Caucasus — a leader whose videos were in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube page. The raid killed the brother of the current leader:

It could also be a coincidence. Nick Paton Walsh reports for CNN that the Russians have been conducting these raids for months in an effort to tamp down Islamist activities in the Caucasus. The Russians aren’t drawing a connection between the two cases, at least not publicly. However, Abu Dujan’s network operated in Dagestan at the same time that Tamerlan came to Russia for six months, and shortly thereafter Tamerlan began highlighting their videos.

In the meantime, the Sunday talk shows focused more on the investigations here at home, both before and after the Boston Marathon bombing. Lindsay Graham pointed the finger at the FBI during his interview on CBS’ Face the Nation, saying that pre-9/11 “stovepiping” had returned:

Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies failed to link critical pieces of information before the attack that might have stopped the suspects in their tracks, several legislators insisted on Sunday.

“I think information sharing failed,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation”, describing the lack of inter-agency communication that allowed bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev to slip through the cracks, warning, “We’re going back to the pre-9/11 stove-piping” and “we’re going to have to up our game.”

That question wasn’t limited to Graham or CBS:

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” said the FBI did an “outstanding job” of solving the case after the attack, but added, “I don’t think they did a full investigation beforehand…I think they continued to give the benefit of the doubt” each time Tsarnaev raised a red flag, and “therefore just closed out that investigation.”

Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., similarly wondered whether the dots were not “all followed” as assiduously as they should have been on ABC’s “This Week.”

The FBI had its defenders, too:

“I think it’s too early to start pointing fingers and blame,” said House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., on “This Week,” pointing out that the FBI’s investigation yielded no “derogatory information” about the suspects.

“At some point, the FBI doesn’t just get to investigate Americans or people here who are here illegally just because they want to,” he said.”

“The FBI is bound by law,” explained CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, on “Face the Nation,” “And they did a 90-day assessment on this, which means they investigated this guy for three months. But after that, the rules say, if you don’t find something that’s not covered by the first amendment or that’s going to lead you somewhere else, you have to close that out.”

I think Rogers meant people who are here legally.  And he and Miller are right about that, but the question is why the FBI didn’t follow up on more derogatory information they received about the Tsarnaevs, and why the CIA’s addition of Tamerlan and his mother to the TIDE database didn’t prompt a new investigation.  That’s the stove-piping that Graham’s pointing out.

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Wow..
Russia has some cojones..

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Lindsay Graham pointed the finger at the FBI during his interview on CBS’ Face the Nation, saying that pre-9/11 “stovepiping” had returned:

Gee…
I wonder why..

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:05 AM

“I think it’s too early to start pointing fingers and blame,” said House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., on “This Week,” pointing out that the FBI’s investigation yielded no “derogatory information” about the suspects.

Gee..
I wonder why..

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:11 AM

“At some point, the FBI doesn’t just get to investigate Americans or people here who are here illegally just because they want to,” he said.”

Just because they want to???

But the TSA does just that..

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM

“The FBI is bound by law,” explained CBS News senior correspondent John Miller

Yeah..
Okie Doke..

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:14 AM

On Sunday morning, Russian forces raided the compound of an Islamist network once run by Abu Dujan in the Caucasus — a leader whose videos were in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube page.

It’s never a good person if you use the word “compound” to describe where they live. And I include the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport in that statement.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Hmmm? How similar is this to the claim that Bush ignored intel info prior to 9-11?

For one thing, the Russians, of all entities, didn’t warn us about 9-11 and the warnings were limited to a broad idea (among many) that a plane could be used as a bomb. This was multiple warnings from a source that very well could have good intel about specific person(s)

Any others?

Don L on April 29, 2013 at 8:18 AM

But after that, the rules say, if you don’t find something that’s not covered by the first amendment or that’s going to lead you somewhere else, you have to close that out.”

Ok. Then who the hell did the Russians explicitly warn about Tamerlan, and what did they know, and when did they know it?

Harbingeing on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 AM

So this is what it is suppose to look like when a red line is crossed..

hillsoftx on April 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Abu Dujan’s network operated in Dagestan at the same time that Tamerlan came to Russia for six months, and shortly thereafter Tamerlan began highlighting their videos.

The DHS, FBI, and administration were very quick out of the gate making the Tsarnaev brothers were diabolical geniuses that were operating alone. I would suggest that they were as truthful about that as the rat-eared coward was about the attack on Benghazi.

I would suggest that the Tsarnaev’s were just like the underwear bomber or shoe bomber. Stooges willing to commit Jihad for the religion of peace while the masterminds remain safely in the background.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM

It could also be a coincidence. Nick Paton Walsh reports for CNN that the Russians have been conducting these raids for months in an effort to tamp down Islamist activities in the Caucasus.

That would be my guess. The Russians do not need an excuse to crack down on Islamist militants and terrorists in the Causasus.

In the meantime, the Sunday talk shows focused more on the investigations here at home, both before and after the Boston Marathon bombing. Lindsay Graham pointed the finger at the FBI during his interview on CBS’ Face the Nation, saying that pre-9/11 “stovepiping” had returned:

Not only was this regime unable to identify and connect the dots before the bombing, it seems to be having trouble identifying and connecting the dots after the bombing.

It is reasonable to conclude for the purposes of investigation that Tamerlan had contact with foreign jihadists prior to the bombing, even if we do not know exactly who they were. And yet there seems to be great reluctance to conclude that dot exists. Maybe he had no contact, but the odds lean heavily in that direction.

If you cannot even identify the dots after a terrorist attack, how can you hope to identify and connect the dots before an attack, much less prevent it.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:21 AM

“We’re going back to the pre-9/11 stove-piping” and “we’re going to have to up our game.”

What’s the cost of “upping our game” this year, Senator??? $100 billion? $500 billion???

ted c on April 29, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Ok. Then who the hell did the Russians explicitly warn about Tamerlan, and what did they know, and when did they know it?

Harbingeing on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 AM

We know that the Russians expressed concern to the FBI and, when they were ignored, went to the CIA. We know the DHS was “pinged” when Tamerlan Tsarnaev left the country.

In short, the rat-eared coward had plenty of warning about these idiots and opted to do nothing. Four were killed and hundreds maimed as a result of the administration pretending that there is no such thing as domestic Islamic terrorism.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Our ruling elite have no real desire to get serious about the bombings. They’ll keep putting out different theories, repeated often by the LSM, and eventually the whole matter will sink into muddied waters. After months of information overload, the people will become bored and decide, “Who cares any more?” Then everyone will forget about it until the trial three years from now — if there is one.

Schumer is more worried about, “They could have gotten (legal) guns,” which is a lie. That’s about the end of any interest to him and, likely, other Democrats.

This is going to end up another joke. If questions become too hard and pointed, expect Obama to invoke executive privilege. The LSM will say Republicans are trying to politicize the bombings, so they’ll get off the hook by claiming that ‘fact’ justifies no need to further question their precious Obama.

The bombings were horrible. Our government is going to turn it into a three-ring circus.

Liam on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM

On Sunday morning, Russian forces raided the compound of an Islamist network once run by Abu Dujan in the Caucasus

lol, and over here we raid citizen houses door to door without regard for the fourth amendment.

abobo on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Not only was this regime unable to identify and connect the dots before the bombing, it seems to be having trouble identifying and connecting the dots after the bombing.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Not true. This regime doesn’t want to connect the dots because it spoils the narrative about there being no domestic terrorism attacks by Muslims under the super-tolerant rat-eared coward.

In the immediate aftermath, we were told not to jump to conclusions about the bombers or their motives. The media openly blamed right-wingers upset at paying taxes, celebrating Hitler’s birthday, or something. An unrelated fire at the JFK library had Chris Matthews talking about Republicans who wanted to take down the symbol of the modern Democrat party. The media was actually expressing the hope that it would be a couple of white guys from Georgia (the US State) with an irrational hatred for the rat-eared coward because of his race. The media was the hardest hit when it turned out to be a couple of Muslims from Russia. AND EVEN WHEN THE FALSE NARRATIVE BLEW UP WE WERE STILL BEING LECTURED NOT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

To this day, the rat-eared coward has yet to call the Boston Marathon bombing an act of terrorism. The administration is so heavily invested in the idea that these were two radicals acting alone for reasons other than nationality or religion that they are ignoring all the inconvenient facts about what the Russians told the DHS, FBI, and CIA. The truth is leaking out but the reality is that the administration is still pushing the idea that the Tsarnaev brothers were nothing more than alienated Russians who learned how to make a sophisticated IED off the internet and were acting alone.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Russia has been fighting this battle in the Caucas region for centuries.

mjbrooks3 on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM

The bombings were horrible. Our government is going to turn it into a three-ring circus.

Liam on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM

I dunno. I think the islamic filth has much bigger designs in mind for us, and what’s coming will be far worse than Boston. These guys will just be district court roadkill, compared to what’s coming.

Harbingeing on April 29, 2013 at 8:37 AM

I would suggest that the Tsarnaev’s were just like the underwear bomber or shoe bomber. Stooges willing to commit Jihad for the religion of peace while the masterminds remain safely in the background.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I am leaning toward this. And we’re never going to be able to probably effectively stop things like this. There’s no way. You’ve got young people all over the world in their early life crisis that are wondering what their purpose in life is & go searching for it.
Those of us who are older have already been through this.
But we didn’t seek out crazy killers to give us a purpose or nutbag totalitarian ideologies masked as a religion to find our way.

and over here we raid citizen houses door to door without regard for the fourth amendment.

abobo on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM

And of course the TSA does this EVERY DAY to people.

And no lawsuits, no nothing. America continues to slowly wither away to nothing.
This country dies with not a peep.

Badger40 on April 29, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Somewhere along the way it was mentioned that the FBI is just too busy to monitor EVERYONE because there are 740,000 in the U.S. that need to watched.

Here’s an idea: Anyone in the U.S. that is not a citizen and needs to be monitored shouldn’t be here in the first place. Period. End of story.

Carnac on April 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Here’s an idea: Anyone in the U.S. that is not a citizen and needs to be monitored shouldn’t be here in the first place. Period. End of story.

Carnac on April 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Good point.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Nick Paton Walsh reports for CNN that the Russians have been conducting these raids for months in an effort to tamp down Islamist activities in the Caucasus.

Unless and until the so-called moderates of the “religion of peace” start loudly denouncing terrorism and dropping dimes all around the country on muslim radicals–whether citizens or not, and especially if their not citizens–we should be engaged in some aggressive profiling ourselves.

In the meantime, scrap the immigration bill. Time to shore up the borders, crack down on those overstaying visas and those who compounded illegal entry with fradulent or stolen identities. After another five or ten years, maybe we can get around to deciding what to do with any remaining illegals.

BuckeyeSam on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Russia doesn’t eff around when it comes to knocking off terrorists, but their approach on the ground is basically destroying everything; maybe that’s a good thing.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Schumer is more worried about, “They could have gotten (legal) guns,” which is a lie.

Liam on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Tamarlan Tsarnaev could have gotten a gun legally but that really isn’t the point considering that they detonated two IEDs which were made from everyday items. Unless Chuckie Schumer is suggesting that should not be allowed to purchase more than 10 nails at a time he can just STFU. The ones doing all the shooting in this situation were the cops.

What bothers me more is that the rat-eared coward is trying to Benghazi this incident. Instead of a YouTube video we have a couple of aliented immigrants acting out of that alienation and not motives of nationality or religious beliefs. It’s the same tactic applied to Nadal Hassan who was just a disgruntled worker even though he was screaming Allu Akbar as he gunned down 14 and injured 30 others.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

But just let a conservatively oriented group try to organize here at home and you watch how effective the FBI/DHS/et all can become.

Cleombrotus on April 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Unless and until the so-called moderates of the “religion of peace” start loudly denouncing terrorism and dropping dimes all around the country on muslim radicals–whether citizens or not, and especially if their not citizens–we should be engaged in some aggressive profiling ourselves.

BuckeyeSam on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

American Muslims are quick to denounce terrorism. But they never follow through with denouncing the terrorists beyond claiming that they don’t represent “true Islam.” They then spend a great deal of time complaining about how Americans are intolerant of them whenever one of these incidents occurs.

All I can say is that we have a pretty good profile of who is a potential Jihadi. Young Angry Anti-American Muslim male. CAIR may not like it but until one of these incidents involves some other type these are the people that should be heavily profiled.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Somewhere along the way it was mentioned that the FBI is just too busy to monitor EVERYONE because there are 740,000 in the U.S. that need to watched.

Here’s an idea: Anyone in the U.S. that is not a citizen and needs to be monitored shouldn’t be here in the first place. Period. End of story.

Carnac on April 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

My parents went on a tour in China a couple of years ago. Every morning their tour guide essentially had to call in somewhere so that the government could keep track of the tour group. I see no reason why guests to the United States can’t be monitored. If 740,000 is too big a job for the DHS or FBI, give us a number of how many they can watch and kick any guests over that number out.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Not true. This regime doesn’t want to connect the dots because it spoils the narrative about there being no domestic terrorism attacks by Muslims under the super-tolerant rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM

That is why it is having trouble identifying and connecting the dots.

At least “officially”, where “officially” refers to the leaks the admin is deliberately leaking.

It doesn’t like the post-attack dots we now have and it doesn’t want to connect them because of where it may all lead — to the admin’s incompetence and inability to identify a dot and call it a dot before the attacks, because of political correctness and a refusal to “profile”.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Dog Eater would never have the seeds to make a decision like this.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 8:58 AM

But just let a conservatively oriented group try to organize here at home and you watch how effective the FBI/DHS/et all can become.

Cleombrotus on April 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Muslims can build a victory mosque literally on top of the site where thousands were killed. In the meantime, a Boy Scout troop can’t use taxpayer owned facilities because they don’t fully embrace sodomy as normal.

Illegal aliens are so brazen they appear before Congress and at rallies demanding that they get citizenship and we stop calling them illegal. In the meantime, our returning veterans are targeted as potential terrorists by their very own government.

The government has decided that providing free contraception to sluts associated with religious institutions trumps the very clear civil right of freedom of religion. In the meantime, we are told that the Gosnell clinic was one off of what Planned Parenthood does every single day.

The rat-eared coward promised that he would transform America. He is turning us into a socialist state. If nothing is done, the America we have known will be gone to be replaced by a state no more effective than the Soviet Union.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 9:00 AM

The rat-eared coward promised that he would transform America. He is turning us into a socialist state. If nothing is done, the America we have known will be gone to be replaced by a state no more effective than the Soviet Union.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 9:00 AM

He could never do it without the willing cooperation of the media. I blame them more for our state of affairs than Obama, plus a healthy dollop of contempt for so many elected officials from Congress on down.

Liam on April 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Russian forces raided the compound of an Islamist network once run by Abu Dujan in the Caucasus — a leader whose videos were in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube page

yee-ikes!

Killed by the Spetsnaz because homeboy linked to your Youtoobs? damn.

ted c on April 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Clearly, if Grahamnesty had any credibility he’d be more believable on the subject. The ‘stovepiping’ was never fixed after 9-ll. He’s been there along with his ‘friends’ this whole time and nothing has been done to safeguard the people and country. DHS has ballooned to 250K employees and the southern border is more porous than ever. Calling a terrorist attack a terrorist attack isn’t allowed. This country is lost and our current resident’s job is almost complete.

Kissmygrits on April 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Who ordered that magistrate into the hospital room to Mirandize Dzhokhar?

Who arranged for the Saudi “person of interest” to be “quietly” sent back to Saudi Arabia?

Just a couple of wild and crazy guys, trying to make it in the good ole’ USA…but were traumatized, radicalized, because of what?

That’s the question everybody has to have answered…why did these nice boys turn bad?

The more important issues?

As that harridan Hillary would say “What does it matter?”

There will be more blood on American soil…and most will still refuse to see the most common denominator.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The timing certainly looks … intriguing. On Sunday morning, Russian forces raided the compound of an Islamist network once run by Abu Dujan in the Caucasus

Remember when the two men with Russian accents went to one of the bombers apartments and searched the place after the police left?

My guess is they found what THEY were looking for…

I don’t understand how with fugitives on the loose the police could not leave a guard to watch their apartment.

I think we are going to find out this is one of the worst bungled police response on all levels soon

18-1 on April 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM

this focus on what could have been done seems to be coming in place of a focus on what actually happened. Am I supposed to take someone’s word for it that there weren’t others in on it in the US?

Buddahpundit on April 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

On reread of the post this jumped out…

“At some point, the FBI doesn’t just get to investigate … people here who are here illegally just because they want to,” he said.”

Isn’t there something wrong with this statement?

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 10:15 AM

I think Rogers meant people who are here legally.

I hope so.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM

In the famous words of the next Democratic presidential nominee, “At this point, what does it matter?”

Just add it to the list.

parke on April 29, 2013 at 10:28 AM

the question is why the FBI didn’t follow up on more derogatory information they received about the Tsarnaevs

And the answer is that all references to the possibilities of Islam terrorism were scrubbed from all FBI training manuals circa October 2011.

Del Dolemonte on April 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM

I guess the only folks that actually take these moslem extremists at face value are the Russians. God knows they have been victimized by these kooks probably more than any other society on the planet.

With our moslem-loving excuse for a president running the show here, it is amazing that anything gets protection from the religion of peace. It is beginning to appear like the US of A is going to become increasingly targeted by these zealots, and I fear for the next act since Obama fails completely in ordering active investigations of the thousands of those creeps already here and doing God only knows what in secret.

Stand by for the next atrocity from Allah’s little helpers.

dockywocky on April 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Absolutely implausible.

Whatever you believe about Tsarnaev’s activities and the investigatory screw ups, once he returned from Chechnya it had to come up in the history that he had been previously flagged on a watch list and would need to be looked in to.

Complete and utter bull$hit. Everything about this ‘investigation’ is wrong, which is why Holder had to silence Tsarnaev.

HopeHeFails on April 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM

if you don’t find something that’s not covered by the first amendment

That’s a ridiculous standard. So everything except “meet you tomorrow at 9 to bomb the Capitol” is permissible?

PattyJ on April 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM

This is a government that has bungled everything. When they DON’T bungle something, it will actually be news.

PJ Emeritus on April 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Hey remember the two guys in tan cargo pants and black backpacks?

My buddy sent a good article I linked to in my post showing them moving around. They had to be feds. Probably radiation detection team.

here is the link

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2013/04/29/from-a-friend-who-were-the-guys-at-the-race-in-the-tan-511-police-pants-and-backpacks/

The photos show one checking the bomb site with a handheld device, that is very similar to a handheld radiation detector. The a number of them gather around the back of a black SUV with some kind of radar/cellphone/radiation detection antennas on top.

Now the questions are numerous: who are they, why are they there, what are they looking for.

And maybe more importantly, is this standard procedure on all big events, or did someone one know something ahead of time.

Congress needs to ask.

archer52 on April 29, 2013 at 12:53 PM

This is a government that has bungled everything. When they DON’T bungle something, it will actually be news.
PJ Emeritus on April 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

How quaint that you think it’s “bungling”.

Cleombrotus on April 29, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Meh. If you ask me, there is a conspiracy of studied neglect to be reactive. Unlike fast and furious which was a secret proactive attempt to set the case for infringing the 2nd, on terrorism the focus is to setup firewalls and stovepipes along with ROE that proscribes willful suspension of logically connecting any of the dots with the ROP. That way when the SHTF, the only recourse is to dismantle as many of our BOR in the name of security. Simply put, our rights and liberties are a set of negative rights that infringe on the desire of big govt to be absolute. I blame the GOPe equality for putting their ideas and fancies ahead of our prime directive and contract which is the constitution. and so, here we are.

AH_C on April 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM

So, are the russians buying into this ladies, BS?

Blake on April 25, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Actually, she’ll prove to be a bonanza of a honeypot for the Speznatz IYKWIMAITYD.

AH_C on April 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

And on cue…

AH_C on April 29, 2013 at 5:38 PM