Cuomo out if Hillary runs?

posted at 9:21 am on April 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Hey, it’s more of an excuse than his father ever provided:

Gov. Cuomo has quietly told associates that he is resigned to the fact that he can’t run for president in 2016 if Hillary Rodham Clinton enters the race, as is widely expected, sources told The Post.

“The governor has told people in recent weeks that there’s not a chance for him to run if Hillary gets in the race because she’ll easily wrap up the Democratic nomination,’’ said a Cuomo administration insider with direct knowledge of the situation.

“He knows that and he accepts that, and so he won’t even be thinking at all in those terms — unless Hillary decides not to run, which seems unlikely,’’ the source continued.

Frederic Dicker says that this comes as a surprise, given his shift in direction for his agenda of late:

While Cuomo has repeatedly claimed he has no interest in running for president, his sharp turn to the political left this year after two years governing as a moderate convinced many Democrats and Republicans that he was laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign.

Actually, I’d take that as an indication he wasn’t interested in running for President.  If he was, he’d be better off shifting more to the middle.  Instead, he took the left-flank position on gun control — and them made a mess of it, signing a bill that was so utterly unworkable that he had to beg the legislature to fix it.  If a presidential run was on his mind, he would have taken more care to support the middle-of-the-road position rather than go full tilt on gun control.

But let’s say for the sake of argument that Cuomo was interested in a 2016 run for the big office. Why give Hillary Clinton veto control over his ambitions?  She’ll be 69 in 2016, with only eight years in the Senate and four very questionable years as Secretary of State on which to run. The Benghazi mess may still erupt on her, especially now that more whistleblowers appear ready to talk about the terrorist attack and the Obama administration response to it.  If John Kerry manages to do anything in the next three years, it will be more than Hillary accomplished in four.  Plus, let’s not forget that the unstoppable Hillary coronation got derailed by a first-term Senate backbencher in 2008.  Why would a governor of the second most populous state be intimidated by Hillary?

I’d guess it’s because Cuomo, like his father, really isn’t all that interested in the presidency in the first place.

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Cuomo…meh

How many people have dies from his incompetence?

Killary ’16

trs on April 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

The ‘New Normal’ Gov. Cuomo?

mjbrooks3 on April 29, 2013 at 9:25 AM

The fact that he acted like a drunk Howard Dean while he cheerled for gun control has nothing to do with it. The truth is the man is unelectable and he knows it.

meci on April 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Cuomo could not win if Hillary didn’t run. But this article is really not about Cuomo. We all recognize that if Hillary Clinton runs, she will likely get the nomination.

Mr. Joe on April 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Don’t care who the Dems nominate, as long as s/he is lighter than a paper bag.

Sekhmet on April 29, 2013 at 9:29 AM

We all recognize that if Hillary Clinton runs, she will likely get the nomination.Makers Mark stock will soar..

Mr. Joe on April 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

ToddPA on April 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM

But let’s say for the sake of argument that Cuomo was interested in a 2016 run for the big office. Why give Hillary Clinton veto control over his ambitions? She’ll be 69 in 2016, with only eight years in the Senate and four very questionable years as Secretary of State on which to run. The Benghazi mess may still erupt on her, especially now that more whistleblowers appear ready to talk about the terrorist attack and the Obama administration response to it. If John Kerry manages to do anything in the next three years, it will be more than Hillary accomplished in four. Plus, let’s not forget that the unstoppable Hillary coronation got derailed by a first-term Senate backbencher in 2008. Why would a governor of the second most populous state be intimidated by Hillary?

Everything you’re saying there, Ed, makes a lot of sense….to a rational, thinking individual. But the Democrat base acts far more on emotion than any rational thought. And they’ll fall over themselves to hand the nomination to Hillary, regardless of her non-existent record as a Senator(like that mattered in 2008 with either her or Obama?), her disastrous run as SoS(most folks haven’t even heard of Benghazi), or her ties to the Obama Administration.

Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Cuomo…meh

How many people have dies from his incompetence?

Killary ’16

trs on April 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

How many died from Hillary’s incompetence?

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Bevan on April 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

If Hillary runs she sucks up all the New York money. If Cuomo runs he will pi** off the her whole large and powerful network of money, issues and political people forever. It’s not worth the long odds if he runs.

BTW, the gun control thing is irrelevant. In the primaries, Cuomo could run left by saying that he actually got gun control legislation passed (California primary voters are not going to sweat the details on some state-level bill passed in New York) and in the general single-issue gun voters think that all Democrats are trying to kick their doors in and seize their deer rifles anyway so, again, it doesn’t matter.

urban elitist on April 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

“What difference, at this point, does it make?”

Will that ever get old?

Fallon on April 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Killary already has the nomination sewed up, all that’s left is the process of pretending that anyone else matters until convention time.

And of course the slack-jawed fools who voted for Dog Eater will line up for Killary too based on nothing more than her being the forsaken wife of Slickster McInternbanger.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Cuomo and Hillary! What difference does it make?

They’re both losers.

GarandFan on April 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Killary will simply steal Cuomo’s gun vibe and make it her own anyway, along with anything she needs. Benghazi will never make an appearance in any debate, nor any other disaster she has been involved in. No, the only questions will be about gay marriage, how taxes need to be raised, and whether or not ol’ Bill will sleep in the White House or at his current mistress’s place.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Alright! Its O’Malley’s time to shine!
-Martin OweMalley

Gatsu on April 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

If Hillary runs, she will get the nomination, barring some unforeseeable catastrophe. Mere scandals, like Benghazi, or general incompetence will not derail her. Well instead be treated to how her candidacy affords us the chance to make history again — and, remember how good the economy was when Clinton was in office? And — we get bill Clinton again, hooray!

Unless things turn very sour on Obama in the next few years, and the GOP nominates a seriously good candidate in 2016, its more likely than not that well be saying president Hillary before too long.

We need to come up with a way to beat her.

Revenant on April 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

in the general single-issue gun voters think that all Democrats are trying to kick their doors in and seize their deer rifles anyway so, again, it doesn’t matter.

Not all but most. They don’t wan’t to confiscate until they want to confiscate. They’ll just call them sniper/assault rifles or some such. NY police wanted to confiscate my handgun when my CCW expired until I told them the reason it lapsed was because I fled the state. They actually called my mother looking for me – no joke.

Only D’s from deep blue wastelands like Schakowsky can safely tell you what they really think of the 2nd Amendment. Their only care about guns is the risk to their careers in voting against them.

crrr6 on April 29, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Hope the Rs don’t decide they should run/back whoever is next in line against her like they have in the last 2 elections. Cuomo’s a bigger nut job than Dean ever thought of being. I still get amazed at the pols the blue staters elect.

Kissmygrits on April 29, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Actually, I’d take that as an indication he wasn’t interested in running for President. If he was, he’d be better off shifting more to the middle.

The thing to remember is Cuomo ran as a liberal in 2010 and then angered the left by going after public sector employee unions (except for the teachers) and their benefits in 2011. He reacted to the 2010 midterms and thought the country was moving back to the right, and after Obama won in 2012 decided the country was moving back to the left and has governed accordingly in the last 5 1/2 months.

Acting like a weather vane already has made his chances in 2016 problematic, since he’s irked the unions and his recent efforts against guns and fracking won’t win him any of the Democratic primary moderates. Even if Hillary doesn’t run, Cuomo may end up losing the left of his party to the more consistently liberal Martin O’Malley, who thinks the rest of the country wants to be more like Maryland.

jon1979 on April 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM

How many died from Hillary’s incompetence?

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Bevan on April 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

At least four.

AZCoyote on April 29, 2013 at 9:52 AM

“Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic nomination for President is inevitable!”

-Americans everywhere, 2005-2007

TheDriver on April 29, 2013 at 9:55 AM

It will again be the media that says who is going to get the nomination. If you watch the alphabet media this will give you a large clue.

mixplix on April 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Revenant on April 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I agree. Democrats aren’t going to risk nominating some stooge that is her ideological equal. If she runs, she gets it.

I would have to think that 4 more years of Obama would generally work in our favor, but working against us is that Americans have become to accept economic misery as the new normal. With the media telling you for 8 years that $hit sandwich you’re eating is really steak, you start getting used to the taste of $hit. Furthermore, they’ll sell her as different than Obama (a lie) on the basis of her husband’s economic record (an accident of history, thanks to the dotcom boom).

The Benghazi story and the fact that she’ll be 70 years old (looking about 80) will be intentionally buried by the media under the pomp and circumstance of the Historic First Female Presidential Candidate.

crrr6 on April 29, 2013 at 9:59 AM

“What difference, at this point, does it make?”

Will that ever get old?

Fallon on April 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Never!

mjbrooks3 on April 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I don’t know if I can handle President Clinton again. Seriously.

Washington Nearsider on April 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Unless things turn very sour on Obama in the next few years, and the GOP nominates a seriously good candidate in 2016, its more likely than not that well be saying president Hillary before too long.

We need to come up with a way to beat her.

Revenant on April 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I used to think the disaster of 8 years of Obama will do in any Democrat, but the one thing Hillary has going for her(besides the inevitable sycophantic media) is the nostalgia for the 1990′s. That’ll insulate her from any negativity any other Democrat would receive for following in Obama’s wake.

Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM

If he was, he’d be better off shifting more to the middle.

Sounds like a typical Dem/lib/Prog: run for office “in the middle”, but govern to the extreme left.

Jelly

VibrioCocci on April 29, 2013 at 10:03 AM

The Benghazi mess may still erupt on her…..

Not the best choice of words when dealing with the Clintons.

I think Hillary is thinking about a run but I don’t know how viable that run would be. Victory would not be as inevitable as her supporters would have you believe. Imagine, for example, the internecine warfare should Mooch’s supporters launch a serious attempt at a dynastic presidency.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 10:03 AM

the nostalgia for the 1990′s. That’ll insulate her from any negativity any other Democrat would receive for following in Obama’s wake.

Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM

That would be true if not for the fact that she was SecState for four of those years and did a crappy job. If she wanted the nomination at some point, she should have stayed in the Senate where she could hide her lack of non-accomplishment among the work of 99 others.

And her arrogant “does it matter at this point” response to Benghazi is not the last word on the subject. It is not forgotten she went in the Rose Garden on 9/12/12 and lied her ass off about the death of a US ambassador who she claimed was rushed to the hospital by Lybians. We now know with some certainty that Christopher Stevens was sodomized, killed and paraded through the streets by his killers. But that, of course, didn’t fit the Arab Spring narrative so it has been deliberately covered up by this administration.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 10:08 AM

with only eight years in the Senate and four very questionable years as Secretary of State on which to run.

Let’s not forget a virtual unknown former state senator with only 18 months in the US Senate, that wrote two books about himself before he ran for President, was voted into the WH by the LIV. Hillary could easily be President. Our only hope is the US economy crashes in the next three years and the LIV are dragged kicking and screaming into reality.

TulsAmerican on April 29, 2013 at 10:10 AM

BTW, the gun control thing is irrelevant. In the primaries, Cuomo could run left by saying that he actually got gun control legislation passed (California primary voters are not going to sweat the details on some state-level bill passed in New York) and in the general single-issue gun voters think that all Democrats are trying to kick their doors in and seize their deer rifles anyway so, again, it doesn’t matter.

urban elitist on April 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

That attitude worked so well for you in 94. Keep believing that. Please.

PetecminMd on April 29, 2013 at 10:12 AM

We all recognize that if Hillary Clinton runs, she will likely get the nomination.

Mr. Joe on April 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

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Unless the Mooch runs, or Barry introduces some other incompetent ‘special interest’ boob as his replacement. No, not Biden… some other boob.
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RalphyBoy on April 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Killary already has the nomination sewed up, all that’s left is the process of pretending that anyone else matters until convention time.

And of course the slack-jawed fools who voted for Dog Eater will line up for Killary too based on nothing more than her being the forsaken wife of Slickster McInternbanger.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Not necessarily, Bishop. The money quote:

“The 2012 turnout is a milestone for blacks and a huge potential turning point,” said Andra Gillespie, a political science professor at Emory University.

“What it suggests is that there is an ‘Obama effect’ where people were motivated to support Barack Obama,” Gillespie said. “But it also means that black turnout may not always be higher, if future races aren’t as salient.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/black-voter-turnout-rate-passes-whites-study-article-1.1329528#ixzz2RrUmly1j

Sekhmet on April 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM

yes you guys just keep your heads in the sand and deny the obvious

– Hillary will run essentially unopposed. We’re seeing her clear the field already in 2013, as I predicted

– Hillary will have a rapturous media who will kill all stories about Benghazi, her failed tenure as SOS, the sleaze of Bill’s tenure, etc

– Facts no longer matter. She will be held in zero judgment of her lack of accomplishments by a corrupt leftist media

– She’ll essentially be running with all the advantages of an incumbent, with no serious primary opponent, a billion dollar war chest at the snap of her fingers, and a drooling media. Not to mention all the faux nostalgia with Bill beating the campaign trail for her

– we, on the other hand, will have an ugly, embarrassing primary and field a candidate who has been weakened beyond repair by his own primary opponents and the leftist media

The election for 2016 starts NOW. Unless we destroy Hillary and Bill’s BS legacy for the next 3 years, we lose in a landslide before it even starts

Think about 8 more years of this crap with Hillary holding Dem majorities in Congress

That’s the difference between us and them. THey just want to win at all costs. We have already disqualified any potential candidates for 2016 while they already are coalescing around their strongest candidate and locking up the millionaire donors now

thurman on April 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Mooch ain’t running – at least not in 16. In case you haven’t noticed, she likes to vacation A LOT – more than even she could get away with as president. They didn’t buy that Hawaiian McMansion for the occasional WH getaway.

crrr6 on April 29, 2013 at 10:28 AM

BTW, the gun control thing is irrelevant. In the primaries, Cuomo could run left by saying that he actually got gun control legislation passed (California primary voters are not going to sweat the details on some state-level bill passed in New York) and in the general single-issue gun voters think that all Democrats are trying to kick their doors in and seize their deer rifles anyway so, again, it doesn’t matter.

urban elitist on April 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

That attitude worked so well for you in 94. Keep believing that. Please.

PetecminMd on April 29, 2013 at 10:12

AM

There have been elections since then, you know.

urban elitist on April 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Only the low-info voters could want that super lying incompetent women to be president. But then, low-info voters and mindless liberals seem to rule.

Chessplayer on April 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Who is responsible for this constant barrage of propaganda about Hillary running to replace Obama in 2016?

You would think that there was some smarts left in the Democrat party somewhere that recognizes that the woman should have been in prison long ago, and finally removes her from the invitation list of the liberal elite.

Here’s hoping the new Benghazi hearings, if they ever get started, will finally result in putting her in the place she should have been for the last 20 years – the gray bar hotel.

dockywocky on April 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Actually, I’d take that as an indication he wasn’t interested in running for President. If he was, he’d be better off shifting more to the middle.

Utter nonsense Ed, and here’s why.

Prevailing group-think is that Barack Obama has created the model for future Democratic presidential candidates. Mr. Obama’s positions and accomplishments can only be cast in a relatively far-left vein. Yet still he won a second term.

There is so much wrong with that assumption, there is not enough room in this comment space to list it. But let’s start with the fact that Mr. Obama has received some very unique support to get two terms and that goodwill is mostly limited to the man, not his positions.

Notwithstanding my initial point, Mr. Obama will not fulfill the hopes, aspirations and projections many in the electorate placed upon him. And while they may foolishly somehow think Hillary will complete the unfinished business, they won’t give a clearly underwhelming, unaccomplished plebe like Cuomo, whose popularity is waning even in NY, that same consideration.

Cuomo grotesquely overstepped with the SAFE Act. Not just the content and anti-Second Amendment agenda which galvanized and spread opposition. But primarily in the almost dictatorial way it was carried out and the legislators, from both parties, who were corrupted in the process.

That day of reckoning with both voters and the courts is coming soon. And it’s going to be inopportune to the election cycle. That along with Cuomo’s sinking popularity and questionable proclivities will be his undoing. Like father, like son.

Marcus Traianus on April 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM

thurman on April 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM

All good points. To be fair, if we too were looking at a field with the equivalent of say, Rubio and 4-5 Huntsmans, we’d have coalesced around Rubio despite his foolish immigration plan. And, Hillary, unlike Rubio, has the luxury of sitting on the sidelines and not taking controversial votes before a presidential race. (eg, any Perry fans want to ask him what he thinks of Rubio’s immigration plan?)

I’m not sure it really matters since I don’t really understand how we can win in this environment anymore. Akin says what he says while Obama literally votes 3x to kill live babies in IL, and only the former gets reported. How do you win in an environment in which the media, while still claiming the phony mantle of objectivity, will put our guy/girl’s faults under a microscope on a 24 hour loop while Hillary’s unscrupulous and deadly actions are ignored?

crrr6 on April 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM

There have been elections since then, you know.

urban elitist on April 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM

That those red state Democrats voted against gun control should be your warning sign, but we’re happy to have this debate again as close to the election season as possible.

crrr6 on April 29, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I think Hillary is currently one of the most popular politicians, for some reason. Hopefully that will change as more info on Benghazi comes out, but Im sure most americans wont give a crap. God help us, are we gonna have to endure a Clinton Presidency after eight years of Obama?

Jack_Burton on April 29, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Hillary is popular because of effective propaganda. What are her accomplishments? Being cheated on? No, half the country won’t vote for Cuomo right off the bat. Plus his new abortion law would just about legalize everything Gosnell did, short of the body part collection. If Republicans were serious in NY, they’d be running shots of Gosnell’s victims saying “Cuomo just legalized this. Do you want that kind of monster running NY?” Being NY they’ll probably say yes.

Iblis on April 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM

The “war on women” wasn’t just to get the female votes. It was also designed to discourage any attacks whatosever on Hillary when she runs.

Wagthatdog on April 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The ignorant and stupid in this country love Hillary Clinton.
Even Benghazi and the string of failures and dead bodies will not stop this woman.
If she runs, it is over. For this country.
Any attack by the GOP will be seen as anti-woman, war on women.
All she has to do is turn on the tears.
The stupid gave us Obama twice.
Our only hope is health and age.

RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Do we really think that the democratic party base wants to follow up the first black preezy with “fat, ugly, old and white”?

Really?

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Do we really think that the democratic party base wants to follow up the first black preezy with “fat, ugly, old and white”?

Really?

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

All they see is vagiina.
Bleh. Gonna go wash with bleach now.

RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 11:35 AM

“The governor has told people in recent weeks that there’s not a chance for him to run if Hillary gets in the race because she’ll easily wrap up the Democratic nomination,’’ said a Cuomo administration insider with direct knowledge of the situation.

His only shot would be to attack her with the truth of her total incompetence as SecState, the Bodies of Benghazi, and other facts.

Yeah…he hasn’t got a chance.

BobMbx on April 29, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Do we really think that the democratic party base wants to follow up the first black preezy with “fat, ugly, old and white”?

Really?

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

If Julia runs, she’ll be undefeatable.

BobMbx on April 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

If Republicans were smart, they’d register as Democrats to make sure Cuomo got the nomination.

Just about any Republican could beat him.

BradTank on April 29, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Everything you’re saying there, Ed, makes a lot of sense….to a rational, thinking individual. But the Democrat base acts far more on emotion than any rational thought. And they’ll fall over themselves to hand the nomination to Hillary, regardless of her non-existent record as a Senator(like that mattered in 2008 with either her or Obama?), her disastrous run as SoS(most folks haven’t even heard of Benghazi), or her ties to the Obama Administration.

Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

This says it all. The democrat voter base is strictly moved by (a) identity politics and (b) the likelihood of government handouts.

KS Rex on April 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

The RNC or any aggressive PAC could go after Hillary’s past relentlessly. Can you imagine a loop tape of some of Hillary’s famous rants and screeches?

Dig up Hillary’s past starting from the Arkansas State house, FBI files while in the White House, cattle futures, “vast right wing conspiracy”, “what difference does it make…”, it’s patriotic to disagree…”, Tuzla shuffle etc. She’s left behind a lot of debris in her trail that could be used against her very effectively.

If the RNC won’t go after her BEFORE she gets any ideas about running, someone needs to start a PAC. Not just any PAC but a nasty, ruthless PAC. I’d be first in line to donate a boatload to a “We’ve had enough of your lying crap PAC”

We need to be pro-active and shut her down before she gets any traction.

JetBlast on April 29, 2013 at 2:16 PM

While Cuomo has repeatedly claimed he has no interest in running for president, his sharp turn to the political left this year after two years governing as a moderate convinced many Democrats and Republicans that he was laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign.

Chris Christie will be pleased to endorse and support Cuomo.

From HotAir Feb 19, 2013: ‘I’m not much different from Andrew Cuomo. I probably agree with him on 98% of the issues.’ ”

RJL on April 29, 2013 at 4:16 PM