Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo?

posted at 9:31 am on April 28, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Even realizing that he was going to immediately be labeled as a Right wing conspiracy theorist by the Left, Congressman Jason Chaffetz posed a rather pesky question to the Department of Homeland Security this week which is sure to get a lot of tongues wagging. Why do they need to purchase huge stockpiles of ammunition? Far more, in fact, than the Army buys on a per capita basis.

Homeland Security’s procurement officer is grilled in Congress on why federal agents who rarely fire weapons need several times more bullets annually than an Army officer. Who or what are they shooting at?

Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Thursday asked Nick Nayak, DHS’ chief procurement officer, a question we and others have been asking: Why has the Department of Homeland Security been buying so much ammunition?

Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs. It’s one of the rare instances, apparently, a government agency has actually cared about such a thing.

Chaffetz notes that DHS is currently sitting on more than 260 million rounds of ammunition. Their current claimed rate of expending bullets works out to between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer each year, while the Army averages 350 per officer. Nyak agreed with the math, but insisted that DHS goes through roughly that amount every year, almost exclusively for training. But if it’s for training, there’s another question to be answered.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the Social Security Administration’s assistant inspector general for external relations, has previously explained the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets by saying they were for the Social Security inspector general’s office…

Another question is why so many hollow-point bullets are being purchased?

As former Marine Richard Mason recently told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, hollow-points (which make up the bulk of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing-range rounds. “We never trained with hollow points. We didn’t even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 (years) in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.

That’s a lot of ammo. And that’s one heck of a lot of hollow points to be wasting on paper targets. If you click through to the IBD editorial you’ll find some of the alternate theory explanations of where all this ammunition is going and why the government would want so much. I don’t need to expand on that here. But even if there is a legitimate need for that many rounds just for training in one federal department every year, how much money is being wasted by not using standard rounds for target practice? I wonder if the cost would have kept a couple more airport towers open?


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The answer for me, is obvious.

The same reason I’m stockpiling.

Rev0lution.

davidk on April 28, 2013 at 9:34 AM

The answer for me, is obvious.

The same reason I’m stockpiling.

Rev0lution.

davidk on April 28, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I suspect it has more to do with driving prices up. Remember if they cannot take your guns they’re going after ammo from several directions.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM

I can only think of 2 reasons they are doing this. Either they know something we don’t know, or, they are trying to create a shortage and keep the ammo out of the hands of all those evil gunowners.

BeachBum on April 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Stinks on ice. DHS lies.

At least part of the reason gubmint is hoarding ammo is to advance it’s economic warfare against gun ownership.

Breitbart.com: Gun Control Advocates Revel in Obama’s Economic War on Guns

Other possible reasons are more sinister.

petefrt on April 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Typical ‘Cass Sunstein-style’ nudge.

The more they buy, the harder it is for us to get any through shortages and price inflation.

glockomatic on April 28, 2013 at 9:41 AM

The best case scenario is that the federal bureaucracies have been directed to use taxpayer funds to starve the market of ammunition, driving up the cost for citizen consumers. This move would harm a specific constituency of opponents of the Leftist regime, and if there’s one thing we know, it is that Obama and his minions LOVE to harm their enemies. It’s a twofer for them. They get to harm their enemies, AND they get to economically harm Americans, damaging overall prosperity, sending more and more people to the hind teat of Unca Shuggah.

The worst case scenario is that they intend to use those hollow point bullets in Obama “Civilian National Security force, as well-funded as our military.”

Both scenarios should have the American people very, very concerned. This regime is an enemy of the people.

IronDioPriest on April 28, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Obama is waiting. Just waiting for the right opportunity. What he needs to justify the actions of the DHS is more than a school shooting. We saw the Left news media outlets hoping for the Boston bombing was a right-wing job. We’ve seen the recent trend on attempts to label Christians as a threat to our nation (Pentagon just recently made the Southern Baptist website inaccessible on Pentagon computers because of alleged hostile content).

What he needs is a right-wing Christian, preferably a group of ‘em, to do something violent. Significantly violent. He needs this to happen so he can justify his dream executive order: martial law and the round up of our weapons. I suspect news outlets are in on it to some degree with their demonization-of-Christians smear campaign.

jediwebdude on April 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Most armed DHS LE are going to go through a LOT more than 1,300 rounds in a year. That’s more like what they will shoot in a month.

As for why they are using hollow points to train with – yes, they are far more expensive, but you also A) always prefer to train with what you are going to fight with, and B) always want to make sure your particular weapon runs that ammo reliably. Every gun will run FMJ, not every gun will reliably RUN every JHP out there. And the regular military doesn’t use hollow points because of Geneva Convention restrictions (for some odd reason they are considered a cruel weapon…).

I stockpile ammo for the inevitable revolution/SHTF, I don’t think that’s why DHS is doing it…

KevinB on April 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM

…they are going to shoot some of us…when the time is right!

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Obama cannot take our GUns away, IT’s obvious they are trying to take away our Ammo, by buying up, drying up, the Ammo supplies.

Why can’t a congress critter, seeing the Senate Gun activity, figure out the “Take the Ammo” plan of Obama /

HELLO !!!!

Anyone tried to buy Ammo lately ?

JayTee on April 28, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Due to the pesky congress thing this admin is doing all it can to keep gun owners unhappy, and nervous. It is a win-win for them. They hoard all the ammo, right wings go nuts, they gain “credibility” for taking guns away. That, and if anything pops, well, those hallow points will do the job.

moyeti on April 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM

JayTee, right on. It is ridiculous. I have gotten 6 + orders cancelled and local stores dry up in 20 minutes after delivery.

moyeti on April 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Richard Mason should know that hollow point small arms ammo is banned by international warfare laws. Specifically the Hague declarations.

Snowblind on April 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM

This was explained and the reasons are far less sinister than we think they are.

Basically the DHS is acting as an umbrella organization for Law Enforcement Agencies all over the country. Everything from the NYPD to the Hazzard County Sheriff’s department are ordering their ammo through DHS because of the deal worked out by DHS to procure said ammo from the manufacturers.

When you add in all the LEO’s that these organizations employ, that per capital number gets inverted real quick.

As much as I’d like to indulge in a nice bit of conspiracy theorizing, it simply isn’t the case in this instance.

Defenestratus on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Can one buy a ammo franchise and just set up shop and start producing? Seems straight forward, lots of safety checks need to be deployed. The supply chain for raw materials is probably constrained by demand and crazies in DHS/DOJ.

moyeti on April 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Two reasons:

1. Possible insurrection
2. If the government buys all the ammo, there’s very little for the citizens

bw222 on April 28, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Defen, that I believe has more of a ring to it than one would think even given the org chart. Locally they started to push out the obama ar’s the first year after the DHS memo (saved a copy) went out describing anyone that didn’t think like them was a potential terrorist (returning soldiers, pro-lifers, etc…)

moyeti on April 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Point is, they have been creating the infrastructure for years and now all of this buying is arming it. Makes sense too, since local officials are having a hard time getting ammo, all you have to do is get in with the cool kids at DHS and you have all of the ammo you need. Just need to sell out.

moyeti on April 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Basically the DHS is acting as an umbrella organization for Law Enforcement Agencies all over the country.

Defenestratus on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Then why are police departments out of ammo?

I think the ammo issue is kind of a smokescreen, the thing I’m highly concerned with, is DHS buying large numbers of armored vehicles.

Rebar on April 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I think the ammo issue is kind of a smokescreen, the thing I’m highly concerned with, is DHS buying large numbers of armored vehicles.

Rebar on April 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Apply force from the underside, they flip like crabs. Just sayin’.

MelonCollie on April 28, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I’m a retired federal Leo. We typically qualified twice annually and went to the range two to four other times during the year for mandatory training. I would say we averaged 200-400 rounds per date, although sometimes if I was in trial or busy with a case I would go and fire the 50 needed to qualify and go back to work. If we carried more than one holster we had to qualify from each holster. We also had to qualify with M-4 and 12 gauge and if an undercover agent carried a different weapon he had to qualify with that.
As to hollow points that’s lawyer’s fault. When I started out we trained with flat nosed semi wad cutter. Lawyers decided there was liability in not training with what you carry in the field so now there’s no difference between duty carry and training ammo.
Marines don’t use hollow points because it’s illegal under the laws of war. Every federal agency carries hollow point. Period.

mongoose on April 28, 2013 at 9:59 AM

As former Marine Richard Mason recently told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, hollow-points (which make up the bulk of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing-range rounds. “We never trained with hollow points. We didn’t even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 (years) in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.

“Former Marine Richard Mason” is talking out his a**. U.S military doesn’t use hollowpoint projectiles as they are a violation of Geneva Conventions. Further, for a skilled shooter, who has to rely on his weapon to save his life, there is no such thing as ‘training ammo’. You train with your duty ammo for the simple reason – that any skilled shooter knows- different ammo, whether different brand, or bullet style or weight, shoots to a different point of aim.

And speaking as a former Marine and current full-time Guardsman, we shoot way too little for proficiency. The rounds Homeland is providing to the agents under its umbrella, which are more scheduled purchase over time than stockpiled, are not out of line.

The reason for the shortage is obvious to anyone who is at their local gun store when the ammo shipment arrives- it’s the guys with the five gallon pails and handtrucks who have been tipped off by their buddy that works at the shop.

You can disagree if you want, but you’d be showing about as much.expertise as “former Marine Richard Mason”.

M240H on April 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Even realizing that he was going to immediately be labeled as a Right wing conspiracy theorist by the Left…

So what? Ignore it. That’s just what they say after they tire of saying “racist”.

petefrt on April 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo?

So they are prepared when the right-wing Tea Party counterrevolutionaries make their move.

farsighted on April 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

As much as I’d like to indulge in a nice bit of conspiracy theorizing, it simply isn’t the case in this instance.

Defenestratus

Got anything to back that up? I support a small and medium sized Sheriff’s Office as well as two small and a medium sized police department. NONE of them buy ammo from DHS.

Yasherka on April 28, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo?

To ‘KEEP the PEACE’, after obama declares himself “president for life” in October 2016?

Pork-Chop on April 28, 2013 at 10:03 AM

If they have all of it, we don’t.

Philly on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM

the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets by saying they were for the Social Security inspector general’s office

Right, because Social Security inspectors are frequently involved in shootouts with armed desperados faking injury so they can collect SSI payments.

Odysseus on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM

I suspect it has more to do with driving prices up. Remember if they cannot take your guns they’re going after ammo from several directions.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM

There may be some truth to that. If you have to replace freon in your air conditioner and you ahve the old style. the bill can run $500 – $600 because the government has driven up the cost.

bw222 on April 28, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Basically the DHS is acting as an umbrella organization for Law Enforcement Agencies all over the country.

Defenestratus on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Then why are police departments out of ammo?

Rebar on April 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Yep. Why no comparable ammo shortages in peacetime years past?

petefrt on April 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

because President Obama is preparing for the inevitable bagger uprising…what else?

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

One would think that with Congress holding the purse strings they could put all sorts of pressure on DHS to fully disclose what they are really doing with the bullets.

Aren’t there DHS training records and inventory records of bullet usage per month, per person?

Are the bullets being funneled overseas to supply Syrian rebels or other foreign groups?

Are the bullets being funneled to the military to skirt around budget limits at DOD?

Are the bullets being sold illegally? Are the bullets being used as barter for some illicit government use?

albill on April 28, 2013 at 10:11 AM

There should be other assorted costs then as well.

Where are the contracts for temperature controlled storage of the ammo?

Where are the additional costs for maintenance and repair of the firearms that are supposedly firing all of these rounds?

What are the costs to send the agency officers to the relatively few ranges where this ammo is supposedly being used?

Supposedly DHS uses about 15M rounds of ammo annually but are buying 1.6+B rounds of ammo. That’s about 100 years of stockpile. Quite the bargain buy one would think. I hope they have good reason to think they will be using the same ammo that far into the future.

The complete stonewalling by DHS on what is supposedly such a mundane issue is certainly suspect.

jnelchef on April 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I think the ammo issue is kind of a smokescreen, the thing I’m highly concerned with, is DHS buying large numbers of armored vehicles.

Rebar on April 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Well, I don’t see how it could be to drive up the cost of the armored vehicles civilians are buying. I’m guessing civilians cannot buy the ones they are buying.

farsighted on April 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Hollowpoints. Napolitano.

Get it?

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

NonP butts in with a cogent response for once.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Defenestratus on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM

It’s still a bad idea. It leaves DHS the sole supplier, removing a local department negotiating directly with suppliers for the best price.

And, if Obama tries something big and certain local departments side with the People, those cops are effectively disarmed.

Conspiracy or not, I see no good coming from any part of this situation.

Liam on April 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Lol I like how plenty of posters here explain why these purchases and training methods sre routine and still people are like “Noooo! Obama’s doing it to take our guns!!!” Haha.

Just an ancedontal story. I was at guns and ammo up on state street here in Utah at the range firing my weapon with some buddies and got to talking to one of the salesmen and he said that the shortages in their store were due to hysteria. People assumed the Government were planning on on taking their weapons so they would come in and stock pile ammo and this lead to an ammo shortage because it wasn’t enough to go around. Too rememdy this they had to institute a purchase limit.

Judging by the replies on this thread I can definitely see how that could be possible.

Politricks on April 28, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Since, to the best of my knowledge, .22 and 30-30 are not LE or Military rounds, why it’s so damn hard to get those?

BallisticBob on April 28, 2013 at 10:21 AM

“…but insisted that DHS goes through roughly that amount every year, almost exclusively for training.”

The question was left unasked: Training for WHAT?

locomotivebreath1901 on April 28, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I suspect it has more to do with driving prices up. Remember if they cannot take your guns they’re going after ammo from several directions.

[CW on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM]

That’s my take, too, and it fits perfectly with the spiteful and vindictive nature of the Administration we currently have.

Dusty on April 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I suspect it has more to do with driving prices up. Remember if they cannot take your guns they’re going after ammo from several directions.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Partially true. Think about it from a bureaucratic perspective. You’re a liberal who lives in the D.C. bubble. You probably thought a few months back that all your gun control dreams were definitely going to come true, because the children, or something.

More restrictions on gun purchases and licenses means fewer gun sales, which means smaller gun manufacturers will go out of business. Ammunition, however, is something that can’t really be regulated the way guns can be. So since he government can’t legislate, they can at least use indirect social engineering. Keep ammo scarce and expensive enough, and maybe a few people who were looking into buying firearms might think twice, which might put smaller firearm manufacturers out of business, which might even trickle down into ammunition demand.

This is what the federal government was planning for. The shattering of their gun control dream threw a monkey (raaaaaaaacist) wrench into their plans. You wanna know why Barack Obama threw that fit in the Rose Garden? This is probably why. This was NOT part of the plan.

mintycrys on April 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Most armed DHS LE are going to go through a LOT more than 1,300 rounds in a year. That’s more like what they will shoot in a month.

I agree with the your post, but I don’t understand the 1,300 rounds a month. Prior to the ammunition shortage, most individual LE officers weren’t going thru that sort of quantity per year. A few of my LE friends fire a couple of boxes of 50 every few months to stay in practice for yearly qualifying. With the economic downturn, these guys have been buying their own practice ammo – and are having a hard time finding it.

Maybe I don’t understand the purpose of the DHS needing that level of training. I know the department encompasses a lot of agencies – but for them to hoard those sorts of quantities – while local departments can’t find ammo to practice with – that’s absurd.

Frankly, I think we have way too many paramilitary departments out there.

Hill60 on April 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo?

Well … we all saw in Boston how two yahoos running around is enough to bring DHS tanks and armored personnel carriers onto American streets for a full-out martial law crackdown (without martial law having to be declared). Further, we saw that a thousand DHS goofballs were unable to stop the two yahoos from running amok – even when one was injured and on foot – and they weren’t able to catch them or anything even close, so clearly DHS needs more tanks and ammo and everything in order to lock down more American cities the next time one or two yahoos who are of the affirmative action protected species types decide to manufacture pressure cooker WMDs and run around the streets.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I hope the 3%ers come through.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I love how everyone tries desperately to dance around the obvious….

If it walks like a duck…and quacks like a duck…

Tim Zank on April 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I suspect it has more to do with driving prices up. Remember if they cannot take your guns they’re going after ammo from several directions.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM

And the end result is the same.

They can over power us during the rev0lution.

davidk on April 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM

In the end, there are no good reasons for this.

At best, they’re simply stupid in that they’re over-spending on the kind of round they’re buying for training.

2nd worst explanation is its sideways gun control by making ammo unavailable and prohibitively expensive.

Worst case scenario is that they want it for an anticipated level of population control we’ve not yet seen in this country, but they know it’s coming – either because they intend to start it, or because they know their policies are going to result in it, one way or the other.

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

And did you hear the firefight during that fiasco?

They were desperately trying to kill that dirtbag.

They sure haven’t been practicing much with all those rounds.

It’s a wonder there wasn’t collateral damage. Like that would bother them.

davidk on April 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Tim Z- yep. Is what it is.

For once, nonP is right.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

bagger revolution!!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Well, we know the Watertown police threw a lot of rounds at #1 and #2 one night so they need replenishing. Maybe the chief should call Big Sis and get some more hollow points. They could use a few more boxes to take to the range, too. They could police their brass for reloading and claim a grant for being green.

Kissmygrits on April 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Why are there shortages of bullets that DHS does not buy?
Anybody have a list of what bullets DHS buys?
Is there a law that saw bullet manufacturers have to deliver to DHS first before other customers? (Follow the money…)

albill on April 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Is there a shortage of ammunition in countries outside the US?

albill on April 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Combine this with the recent spate of “Urban Combat Training” in the skies over Huston, Miami, and suburban Chicago, with military terrorizing the citizenry by firing blank machine-gun rounds from armed helicopter.

Combine that with the martial law dry-run after Boston.

This regime is prepping. We should be too.

IronDioPriest on April 28, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Midas

Did you not read the replies that state their is no such thing at as “training rounds”

Politricks on April 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

KevinB on April 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM

GGgrrr I had a detailed response almost complete and my tablet reloaded the page and I lost it.. :-( I’m going to make this shorter.

Firstly, it doesn’t take 1,000 rounds to verify function of a particular ammo in a particular modern handgun. Depending whose opinion you prefer, it requires 50-200 rounds.

Secondly, the self-defense (SD) ammos the government is reportedly buying is the same stuff I use. I use it in part because the point of impact (POI) of those ammos (meaning where it hits the paper relative to where you aim) is identical to the POI of practice ammo in typical calibers (9mm, .40, .45), a big cost savings in practicing when the govt ‘t isn’t paying for your ammo. A few boxes of the SD ammo in a particular pistol to verify function and POI and you can switch to cheaper practice ammo confident that your pricey SD ammo will shoot the same. I have found this to be true in those common calibers in the Sig 22* series and Glocks (and 1911s which are not typical gov’t issue for LE). Unless the S&W M&P, another common LE firearm and one in which I have not tested my experiences, shoots significantly different, all reasons typically given for using SD ammo instead of FMJ practice ammo for regular training are bogus.

deepdiver on April 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Most armed DHS LE are going to go through a LOT more than 1,300 rounds in a year. That’s more like what they will shoot in a month.

Ok, um, NO.

Did you read the piece? The MILITARY goes through about 350/year per person – you’re suggesting that DHS LE are going to go through 1300 per MONTH?

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

They sure haven’t been practicing much with all those rounds.

It’s a wonder there wasn’t collateral damage. Like that would bother them.

davidk on April 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You mean, like this well placed shot?

After the shooting stopped, Kitzenberg noted that the action had come a little too close to home. “After shooting had stopped my roommate found a bullet hole that penetrated his west-facing wall and continued to pierce through his desk chair. His room is on the 2nd floor corner of the house, closest to the street, with west and south facing walls.”

The police were shooting from the west.

Hill60 on April 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Midas

Did you not read the replies that state their is no such thing at as “training rounds”

Politricks on April 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Did you not read the responses that state there is such a thing?

My personal experience is that you can buy and practice with $1/round self-defense rounds if you want, or you can buy the same grain loaded fmj rounds for about 1/4 the price and practice with those, and there is no demonstrable difference at the range.

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You mean, like this well placed shot?

After the shooting stopped, Kitzenberg noted that the action had come a little too close to home. “After shooting had stopped my roommate found a bullet hole that penetrated his west-facing wall and continued to pierce through his desk chair. His room is on the 2nd floor corner of the house, closest to the street, with west and south facing walls.”

The police were shooting from the west.

Hill60 on April 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

And they were on the ground; so either that round was aimed, well, a tad high, hehe – or maybe a ricochet.

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo?
BY JAZZ SHAW

Whoa, wait…dude, haven’t you heard this is just a weird kook-blogger conspiracy theory? Everyone says it.

OK, more seriously — why is no one talking about Napolitano’s kooky claim that they are using hundreds of millions of hollow-point rounds “for training”? If that’s true, sue to fire this idiotic cu** for a criminally corrupt waste of taxpayer money. I have been laughing about this absurd claim for months with friends at work. They think I’m lying…that no one could make such a ridiculous claim.

Jaibones on April 28, 2013 at 10:46 AM

DavidK- no. They can’t overpower us. I’m quiet and live in the shadow. Millions of me. I’m armed well. Behind every blade of grass. Sadly, our gubmint needs that lesson. Again.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Oh look, someone stepped in catsh1t again.

Here to get started on your daily quotient of wtf-stupid posts, I see – always with the aim of out-doing yourself in that regard.

Well, have at it! What gob-smackingly stupid things do you have in store for us today, f*ckwit?

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 10:48 AM

DavidK- no. They can’t overpower us. I’m quiet and live in the shadow. Millions of me. I’m armed well. Behind every blade of grass. Sadly, our gubmint needs that lesson. Again.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Baggers UNITE!!! aalalalalallalalllllalalalala!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

bagger revolution!!!!!

noforeskin on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

…we just had…our daily fart!

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Remember when the King brothers tried to corner the silver market? Drove the price of silver through the roof. Folks were melting down 200-year old tea services to cash in…

Well, seems DHS and SSA and a few others are trying to corner the ammunition market.

Serves a purpose.

Drives the price of ammo up and makes it scarce for the common citizen.

Enables the bast*rds to try to defend themselves when the end comes….

What a waste of our dollars.

About as wasteful as Labor sending our money overseas to start up service workers unions in foreign countries….tens and tens of millions, if not hundreds of millons.

Thoughts of Bourbon France keep coming back…when do we storm the Bastille?

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Baggers UNITE!!! aalalalalallalalllllalalalala!!!!

noforeskin on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

….correction….diarrhea!

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

bagger revolution!!!!!

noforeskin on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Don’t worry, you won’t be killed. But you won’t be a citizen.

nobar on April 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

This question is being asked now 8 months after the fact?

Philo Beddoe on April 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Proving your stupidity one post at a time. You really ARE the dumbest poster I have encountered. You have nothing.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Baggers UNITE!!! aalalalalallalalllllalalalala!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Some of us mulch, bagging just uses up landfill space.

Bishop on April 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

In the early ’70s I briefly worked for a federal agency which had a small law enforcement responsibility. At that time firearms training/qualification was 150 rounds per year. It seems to me tahat if DHS is truly going through 1300 rounds per year, and that assumes many mostly desk jockeys are getting that amount too, then this is just one more example of a ballooning wastefullness in the government over the years.

I don’t buy the ‘train with what you will use’ meme either. I recognize that is what most of the gov’t is doing, but it is not necessary. Except for a very few real marksmen, the accuracy ability of most shooters including LE is such that less expensive round nose or even plated bullets are going to fall within the same circle of error as the most expensive hollow point ammo.

mjzman on April 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs. It’s one of the rare instances, apparently, a government agency has actually cared about such a thing.

That is just not credible. Since when does the REB’s administration care about spending in the years beyond present?

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM

bagger revolution!!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Why don’t they train with those non-lethal shotguns? I assume they would be cheaper…

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Proving your stupidity one post at a time. You really ARE the dumbest poster I have encountered. You have nothing.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM

He can’t defend his precious Obama on this one, either, but he still doesn’t know when to keep silent. Maybe Jazz should throw him a Gosnell thread, to let him entertain himself chewing on that for a while.

Liam on April 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Baggers UNITE!!! aalalalalallalalllllalalalala!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Some of us mulch, bagging just uses up landfill space.

Bishop on April 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Hey nonP, what if us “baggers” got tired of the bullsh!t? The whole progressive putsche. You think it ends well?

Don’t care who’s in the whitehouse. Or how many rounds DHS has.

You can bet your ass I’m tired of progs. Ready 4 war. Are U?

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I haven’t any of my firearms in 5 months. It’s BS.

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM

So, why don’t the manufacturers of ammo start limiting their sales to the government to free up the market for the public? If gun makers can refuse to sell to state agencies for 2nd amendment issues, why can’t ammo makers do the same for us? And it’s not just ammo, but bullets, gunpowder and other material for reloaders that is in short supply. DHS should be dismantled. Period.

HiJack on April 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Don’t worry, you won’t be killed. But you won’t be a citizen.

nobar on April 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Excellent response. Too bad it’s wasted on someone who can’t extrapolate.

Cleombrotus on April 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM

He can’t defend his precious Obama on this one, either, but he still doesn’t know when to keep silent. Maybe Jazz should throw him a Gosnell thread, to let him entertain himself chewing on that for a while.

Liam on April 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM

You must be psychic: New Gosnell thread

nobar on April 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM

How poor of a shot do you have to be to need 1500 rounds of practice per year? And what kind of toll will that take on your weapon. They must also be spending a ton on repairs and weapon replacements as well no? So many questions…

mike_NC9 on April 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM

It’s Obama’s backdoor gun regulation policy. If he can’t get the guns, some genius figured out that they could get the ammo.

I cannot believe how much 9mm fmj is going for these days. My local Walmart hasn’t had any in over 4 months. It’s ridiculous!

St Gaudens on April 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Excellent response. Too bad it’s wasted on someone who can’t extrapolate.

Cleombrotus on April 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM

oh I get it all right…he would make me and anyone who disagrees with him a ‘slave’

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

You’re already a cult member so “slave” is just another designation.

Cleombrotus on April 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM

So they are prepared when the right-wing Tea Party counterrevolutionaries make their move.

farsighted on April 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Hold your heads up!

They must anticipate a lot of trouble before carrying out the “final solution” for us.

But maybe not!

DHS could be angling to have their own episode on some reality series about crazy people like the ones who cover hoarding and the squires of squalor.

Come to think of it, the DHS chief does kinda resemble those women they catch with 170 homeless animals or sixty tons of cardboard in their back yard. Take a look at her sometime.

IlikedAUH2O on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

oh I get it all right…he would make me and anyone who disagrees with him a ‘slave’

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Not at all, but there would be a competency test for citizenry. That disqualifies you (and many other trolls here).

nobar on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Well then I assume you’d like being a slave, seeing as you already are one to your messiah the POS in the white house.

BeachBum on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Yep with each and every post. We should give you a trophy.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Clearly there is still some confusion about government procurement. I work for a company that sells to all levels of govt.

So what happened was this: the DHS posted RFPs (request for proposal / price) for x number of bullets, with the delivery to be staggered out over x number of months/years.

They’re lying when they say its “up to” a certain number — the only way they get their volume discounts is if they purchase all that they asked for (typically there is language to the effect of, “if total orders are 10% or more less then original RFP, customer will pay y per unit instead of the agreed upon x).

What do they do with the ammo? Who knows. It’s probably like most govt procurement — everyone in the govt puts in requests against DHS’s purchases. I don’t think its some kind of grand conspiracy, I think theres probably a lot of waste and fraud, and that the government can and probably did move markets by moving up shipment schedule. Since its a huge order, they will most likely get priority if they say they need 200 million rounds now instead of later. But I dont think its any more sinister then that.

Timin203 on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

oh I get it all right…he would make me and anyone who disagrees with him a ‘slave’

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

You already are.

Were you born to a pack of wolves?

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Well then I assume you’d like being a slave, seeing as you already are one to your messiah the POS in the white house.

BeachBum on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

I think prostitute is more the word. Nonpartisan loves her some Obama.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM

How well are you armed nonP? Or do you have dhs on speed dial?

Enlighten us. We luv your nuggets of wisdom.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Typical ‘Cass Sunstein-style’ nudge.

The more they buy, the harder it is for us to get any through shortages and price inflation.

glockomatic on April 28, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Well, suppose that’s true. If the free market is allowed to operate, then a bunch of new ammo manufactures will pop up to meet demand. Or, existing manufactures will expand. So this “nudge,” if it exists, would backfire because ammo would end up costing less as supply eventually outpaces demand.

visions on April 28, 2013 at 11:10 AM

How well are you armed nonP? Or do you have dhs on speed dial?

Enlighten us. We luv your nuggets of wisdom.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

nonp has an obamaphone and desires to keep obama(The bat-faced snake-eater) in preznint.

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

We luv your nuggets of wisdom.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

She knows nothing. What a vacuous piece of trash.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Not at all, but there would be a competency test for citizenry. That disqualifies you (and many other trolls here).

nobar on April 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

oh, and what will you do with those of us who are ‘disqualified’?

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM

How well are you armed nonP? Or do you have dhs on speed dial?

Enlighten us. We luv your nuggets of wisdom.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

the American flag is my shield and the Constitution my gun!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:13 AM

oh I get it all right…he would make me and anyone who disagrees with him a ‘slave’

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

This guy makes me long for the antebellum period. Of course, he/she/it most likely doesn’t have a clue to what that is he, et al, is already caught up it it living in his dirt-floor shack and eating from the scraps of his master.

HiJack on April 28, 2013 at 11:13 AM

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