Video: Was Gosnell an aberration in late-term abortions?

posted at 11:01 am on April 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The trial of Kermit Gosnell — and the media silence on it for much of the proceedings — have shone a light on lat-term abortions that abortion advocates have hardly welcomed.  In response, the abortion industry has argued that Gosnell was an aberration, a rare instance of inhumanity for a service that is critical to the health of women.  How true is that?  Live Action conducted an undercover operation to allow people a look into the late-term abortion business, and we discover that the lawless approach we saw in Gosnell’s clinic was at the very least not unique.

Live Action’s undercover journalist went to  a Bronx abortion clinic to discuss the potential outcomes of a 23-week abortion — that’s nearly 6 months along — and got the kind of advice that one would expect from Kermit Gosnell himself:

What happens, the young woman asks, if the baby is moving and breathing when it comes out?  No worries, says the abortion-clinic saleswoman — the toxic solution will make it “automatically stop.”  If the baby spontaneously delivers, she advises the mother to “Flush it!” Or, failing that, stick the baby in a plastic bag and bring him or her to the clinic for the toxic solution.  Don’t go to the hospital, she warns, because the hospital might actually try to save the baby.

Kyle Smite writes in today’s New York Post that this and the Gosnell trial tell the real truth about late-term abortions:

The employee assigned to take note of medical history reassured the woman, “We never had that for ages” (a seeming admission that a baby did survive abortion at the clinic at least once) but that should “it” “survive this,” “They would still have to put it in like a jar, a container, with solution, and send it to the lab. . . . We don’t just throw it out in the garbage.”

Oh, and this innocuous-sounding “solution” was, of course, a toxic substance suitable for killing an infant.

“Like, what if it was twitching?” asked the pregnant woman.

“The solution will make it stop,” said the clinic employee. “That’s the whole purpose of the solution . . . It will automatically stop. It won’t be able to breathe anymore.”

As for any qualms a woman might have about seeing her newborn child being poisoned and drowned in a jar, the employee advised her “patient” not to worry: She’d be under sedation, and the murder would take place in another room anyway.

The employee said, humorously, that “the doctor” is “not gonna wake you up and be like, ‘Hey, excuse me, you have—’ ”

The sentence was left unfinished, too unthinkable even for a euphemism. There’s no polite way to say, “You have just given birth, but we will murder the child.”

Smith also notes that the 24-week limit in New York will be under no threat as long as the media keeps silent about these operations:

Gosnell “is not an aberration. He is not alone. There are abortionists all across the country who are performing [illegal] late-term abortions and killing babies,” Rose says. “The inhumanity is business as usual.”

But a primary reason the Gosnell case has received amazingly scant and grudging attention from most of the major media outlets is that it’s impossible to discuss illegal abortions without thinking more about legal ones.

It’s necessary (unless you think abortion should generally be illegal) to declare an arbitrary cutoff point. But is 24 weeks the right one? Fetuses that old have an excellent chance of surviving once born. By contrast, at 21 weeks or less, viability outside the womb is virtually nil.

You can bet that Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice groups that enjoy strong support from the media would raise an unholy ruckus at any suggestion that the 24-week limit is not strict enough.

Yet when the 23-weeks-pregnant woman told the Bronx clinic, “It actually looks like a baby,” she was told by a different counselor, “It is at this point.”

Not to worry, though: all that would be left after the abortion, she was told, would be (those disturbing euphemisms again) “pregnancy parts” and “tissue.”

The New York Times, in the sole article it published on the Gosnell trial before it grudgingly admitted the story was an important one and reversed course, incorrectly and revealingly referred to the murdered babies who had survived abortion as “fetuses,” The Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto pointed out.

Fetus? No. That’s misinformation meant to downplay what happened. Once born, you’re no longer a fetus. And ending your life is infanticide, not abortion.

Be sure to read it all.

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Kyle Smite writes in today’s New York Post that this and the Gosnell trial tell the real truth about late-term abortions:

The “real truth” has been obvious for a very long time. But maybe repetition will make a few people listen. Eventually.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Yep, the libs might declare it a historic site which must be preserved.

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM

They would block a memorial on zoning regs. But if someone wanted to build a mosque, no lib would object.

Liam on April 28, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Lila Rose and Live Action have done an important work with this video. She wrote there are at least two more to come.

I hope and pray that Gosnell and the horrors of this place in the Bronx will shock people awake and cause them to examine their thinking on life and abortion. God’s giving us another chance to turn and repent from the massive scale of murder of out little ones.

It’s been my thinking that part of God’s judgment on our land has been allowing Obama to be president. I mean that quite seriously. We wanted convenience and nothing to hamper our lives in our pursuit of affluence so we’ve had a man in the WH who has worked to destroy us economically and promoted immorality and baby-killing to a horrific extent the likes of which we’ve never seen before. His desire for control and power is simply an extension of that philosophy into other areas.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 2:45 PM

why is the video not used as a commercial to inform people on a mass scale? Are there no well-off right-leaning people or groups with pro-life beliefs and money to burn that can fund it? Sure, there will be networks that balk, but others won’t. Why not use that Hot Air-pull with powerful Republican figures to make this happen?

Saltyron on April 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

PP makes hundreds of millions of dollars every year (much of it from our taxes), but there’s no money in saving kids’ lives.

Conservative politicians?
They know that most conservatives are more interested in fiscal matters or foreign policy, so they won’t risk alienating pro-aborts over this issue.

Maybe some ultra-wealthy conservative would take up this cause.

itsnotaboutme on April 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM

INC on April 28, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Agreed.
Idiots clamored for a king, He gave them one.
Think I’ve read that somewhere.
;-)

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 3:03 PM

A couple of weeks ago Robert George wrote a couple of columns that I quote in Viewing Children As Commodities: Gosnell & IVF v. Life & Personhood. Before he was defending marriage, George was defending life.

Is Gosnell Really So Shocking?

Honestly, is it so hard to understand Kermit Gosnell? If respectable and influential people—cultural and political leaders—spend decades trying to persuade the public that “it’s not really a baby, it just looks like a baby,” are we shocked—shocked—that some people come to believe it, and act on that belief?

Of course, even before the newly conceived human “looks like” a baby, it is a living member of the human species—a human being. It is our duty to respect and protect him or her (sex is determined from the beginning in the human) not because of how he or she looks, but because of what he or she is.

The Sanctity of Life, Even in a Test Tube is an editorial George wrote about Sir Robert Edwards, the Nobel Prize-winning British “test tube baby” pioneer who died a few weeks ago at age 87. George said that Edwards himself wrote of the embryo as “a microscopic human being—one in its very earliest stages of development,” but they were disposable commodities to Edwards.

Like the philosopher Peter Singer, Edwards distinguished those individuals—admittedly human—who in his view did not yet qualify for protection against manipulation and death-dealing practices like abortion and embryo-experimentation from those who were far enough along the developmental path to qualify.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 3:05 PM

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 3:03 PM

That’s so. It didn’t turn out too well for them, did it?

INC on April 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM

It’s not so much what it says about abortion providers but what it says about the collective America. We are a sick society. Probably terminal. How we turn this ship around is way beyond my pay.

rik on April 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM

INC on April 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Makes me wonder IF we’ll be granted His chosen human leader, yet, or Him, instead.
We wait and watch.
:-)

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Hey Ed, we need to get the lefty governor and the pro death legislators and hold their feet to the fire. This could happen or is happening in Minnesota. dayton vetoed a bill last year that would have helf clinics to a higher standard and inspections. They have none of that now…….

crosshugger on April 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Melinda Henneberger at WaPo squirms around over this video.

Are there more abortion doctors like Kermit Gosnell? And do we want to know?

She reluctantly accepts the fact that the video just might be true.

…An antiabortion activist appears to have videotaped a counselor at a Bronx clinic laughingly advising her not to trouble herself with the particulars of the late-term abortion that the woman, who was 23 weeks pregnant, said she wanted….

You’d think that a patient with so many apparent qualms about a late-stage abortion would at some point get her questions answered with a question: Are you sure you want to go through with this?

But if the tape is as undoctored as this clinic seems to be, you’d be wrong. (A message left on the center’s 24-hour line wasn’t immediately returned on Sunday.)

No question the activists timed the release of the tape to coincide with the murder trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell. On Monday, we’re scheduled to hear the final arguments in that case, in which Gosnell stands accused of causing a woman’s death, and of “snipping” the spinal cords of babies prosecutors say he delivered alive and then killed.

What naivete that she thinks someone at an abortion clinic might ask, “Are you sure you want to go through with this?” What and lose money?

INC on April 28, 2013 at 4:44 PM

The Mob had Murder Inc.what do we call this?

docflash on April 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Its called Planned Parenthood, Inc.

Hiding a Human Abattoir behind the skirts of ‘women’s health’ and ‘choice’ and all the while making scads of money sucking on the Taxpayer Teat.

glcinpdx on April 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

More naivete:

But if the overarching goal is first, last and always protecting women’s health, why didn’t the National Abortion Federation inspector who turned down Gosnell’s membership application report the unsanitary conditions and safety violations she saw there?

If what she observed — a padlock on an emergency exit in a part of the clinic where women were left alone overnight, for example — was so far outside the norm, then why didn’t it inspire a single phone call to the state, according to the grand jury report? Instead, the gruesome Dr. G was only shut down after investigators were tipped off that he was over-prescribing 0xyCont1n.

She figures something out—Abortionists and the media really aren’t too concerned about women.

Other such criminal clinics have only made the news as local stories, while most mainstream abortion coverage details threats to abortion rights rather than to women themselves.

Even when a New York woman died after a third-trimester abortion performed in Maryland in February, the coverage questioned not the care that led to her death, but the breach of privacy she suffered when antiabortion activists publicized the case.

But backs off from saying this is dereliction by the media.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

glcinpdx on April 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

And this info has been out there for years.
I admit I’ve been intimidated into merely learning these things myself.
Becoming bolder and bolder, since the door appears to be wide open, of late.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=foAL2dstf60&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfoAL2dstf60

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM

She continues to squirm around, being uncomfortable with the idea of personhood legislation, saying that to enforce it we’d be driven to measures like China’s one-child policy. Right. As if forcibly making women have abortions is a comparable thing.

Then she makes this truly foolish and revealing statement about how she really thinks about abortion:

Though there is a lot of room for disagreement on when life does begin, most of us think viability is a pretty clear, bright line.

Viability is when life begins? This is idiotic. So, if the baby can live outside the womb, then it’s alive? (Duh). But is the baby can’t live outside the womb, then it’s life has not yet begun? This is ridiculous and sophistry at its worst and most asinine.

As Lourdes and AZFederalist pointed out on the first page, does she not understand basic biology? Or choose to ignore the truth?

Abortionists and their enablers are slowly being driven into a corner. Some of them are increasingly uncomfortable with facing the reality that abortion kills a living child. No wonder the media didn’t want to cover Gosnell.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

INC on April 28, 201years 5:01 PM

I hear ya, but ! ..
Was she even THINKING about it at all, before this ?

I’m becoming more and more encouraged.
These horribly dark years may have been the Good Friday,
with Sunday just about to ‘have its day’.
At least I take solace in that possibility.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I think the answer is in her last paragraph:

But part of the answer, surely, is that we’ve tried not to do a lot of thinking when doing so would prove uncomfortable. Part of the answer, I believe, is right there in what that Bronx clinic worker said to the undercover activist: “I don’t know why you want to know all this; just do it.”

With Gosnell she and others like her have had their head turned and held and forced to face the horrible truth they’ve avoided at all costs with their prattling about women’s rights.

And I agree, maybe this is so awful that it will be a turning point.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

And I agree, maybe this is so awful that it will be a turning point.

No.

Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy. No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.

Having the government tell you that you are only allowed x number of pregnancies isn’t anything that many people are interested in either. That’s what the left would do with government control of pregnancy.

Only a fool believes that the power would only ever be used their way. Just keep the government out of it.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Men and woman, teach your sons to be accountable for their actions. Go to an abortion clinic some weekend and see how many of these so called men drop of their girls then go have a coffee somewhere while she has her guts carved out and sucked out. These so called men are nothing more than abusers and complicit in murder. There is help if you have been sold the lie that this is womans health. The next dem that I hear say that there is a right wing war against woman needs to have a swift kick in their backside. Call it what it is, stop letting them landscape the battlefield, call them what they are and call it what it is….murder and they are lying to woman who are in crisis. They take advantage of the downtrodden….they are the worst and evil are their hearts. How many times have we heard the code pinko stinkos tell us there is blood on our hands when we are in the midst of battles. War is never a good thing but often necessary, abortion is far worse and never a good thing and generally never necessary….

crosshugger on April 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

No.Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy.
No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.
Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Agree, with your quote, here.
But….
Most of us have known all along that changing HEARTS is the goal.
Leaving the gubmint out of all is fine with us.
Thing is, if some RESPONSIBLE gubmint oversight helps, why not support that ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy. No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

You’re skirting the issue. Pregnancy? This isn’t prenatal care (and the Left wants to be involved in that–see ObamaCare), this is killing a child.

Grossing people out? Well, draw your skirts away from evil and pretend it doesn’t exist.

I think that the murder of children and those jars of little feet would go beyond grossing people out and making them abhor what Gosnell and his like are doing. It’s worth some “gross out” to have people face the truth.

Most governments have been involved in making laws regarding murder for thousands of years. That’s not to say that all have protected children, because they have not.

However, we as a country know better. Even the ancients knew they were killing a child. As for us, science has given us a window into the womb, and we’re without excuse.

Just keep the government out of it.

We’re not talking about restrictions of whether or not you can buy a Big Gulp or potato chips.

A primary purpose of government is to protect citizens. You can’t get much more basic than making laws governing their lives.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy. No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

You freaks have to do mental gymnastics so you can excuse the mass slaughter of innocent humans. Go to hell.

CW on April 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I think all abortions are bad but these late term abortions are particularly grotesque.

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Only a fool believes that the power would only ever be used their way. Just keep the government out of it.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

What do you mean by “government involved in pregnancy??

Mimzey on April 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Thing is, if some RESPONSIBLE gubmint oversight helps, why not support that ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Every aspiring authoritarian thinks that their laws, their regulations, their “oversight” are the “RESPONSIBLE” change that society needs. Nobody ever calls for an “irresponsible” expansion of government. Social “conservatives” either just don’t get it, or, worse, they do get it but they don’t care because the agenda is more important than freedom.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

And I agree, maybe this is so awful that it will be a turning point.

No.

Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy. No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.

Having the government tell you that you are only allowed x number of pregnancies isn’t anything that many people are interested in either. That’s what the left would do with government control of pregnancy.

Only a fool believes that the power would only ever be used their way. Just keep the government out of it.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

What a pathetic attempt at spin!

Is the government in charge of the family because a husband is not allowed to physically beat his wife? Is the government in charge of the family because Susan Smith was put on trial for killing her children?

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Go to an abortion clinic some weekend and see how many of these so called men drop of their girls then go have a coffee somewhere while she has her guts carved out and sucked out. These so called men are nothing more than abusers and complicit in murder. There is help if you have been sold the lie that this is womans health. The next dem that I hear say that there is a right wing war against woman needs to have a swift kick in their backside.

While I blame both the men and women. I do bet many of these women would keep the baby if they knew the man help raise the baby.

Women don’t sleep with these loser dudes!

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Thing is, if some RESPONSIBLE gubmint oversight helps, why not support that ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Every aspiring authoritarian thinks that their laws, their regulations, their “oversight” are the “RESPONSIBLE” change that society needs. Nobody ever calls for an “irresponsible” expansion of government. Social “conservatives” either just don’t get it, or, worse, they do get it but they don’t care because the agenda is more important than freedom.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Yeah, can you believe all these people getting worked up because people are dying? I mean, what business does the government have in protecting life?!

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Fears of ‘grossing people out’ merely continues to hide the ugly truth.
Expose the grossness to the light, and what happens ?
Hearts change.
That bondage of fear surrounding the exposure of this evil has got to stop !
Shine the light, folks.
Are we willing to suffer the swords and arrows, or are we not ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Nobody ever calls for an “irresponsible” expansion of government.
Armin Tamzaria

If I didn’t know you so well, I’d be roflmao at your silly joke.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

We pro-lifers are like the Germans who objected to the murder of Jews. Nobody will listen, they’ll just keep on murdering because that’s what evil people do. Evil pays pretty well these days.

Mojave Mark on April 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Yeah, can you believe all these people getting worked up because people are dying? I mean, what business does the government have in protecting life?!

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

That’s right, keep defining down the definition of “people”. It’s funny to see the same “conservatives” who fret over marriage being “redefined” deciding that words like “person” should now apply to microscopic zygotes, unformed fetuses, etc.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Thing is, if some RESPONSIBLE gubmint oversight helps, why not support that ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Every aspiring authoritarian thinks that their laws, their regulations, their “oversight” are the “RESPONSIBLE” change that society needs. Nobody ever calls for an “irresponsible” expansion of government. Social “conservatives” either just don’t get it, or, worse, they do get it but they don’t care because the agenda is more important than freedom.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Piffle, MobyTroll.

The government gets involved in criminal activity by invoking laws. Do you disagree with that? If not, then is it not in the public interest for the government to extend that to in-utero humans? Do they not deserve the same protections under the law that the rest of us do?

If you do disagree, then you think that anarchy and chaos is more appropriate and the most venal and amoral will survive.

Of course, you may not consider an in-utero human to be worthy under the law. But then you are strawmanning this under the guise of “authoritarianism”.

kim roy on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Oh, dearie. Sigh.
You might possibly be beyond reaching, but at least do a bit of research, would’ja ?
‘Personhood’ is a subjective term … LIFE is scientifically provable.
And, yes, we Christians have science on our side .. since we DO recognise its value.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

That’s right, keep defining down the definition of “people”. It’s funny to see the same “conservatives” who fret over marriage being “redefined” deciding that words like “person” should now apply to microscopic zygotes, unformed fetuses, etc.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

You need your own Führerbunker.

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

I don’t think it’s defining down a definition of a person. It’s being consistent to call someone a person from his or her very beginning.

It’s also consistent not to pretend that marriage can be something it is not. It’s ironic you would bring marriage up in this discussion because we’re are talking about babies, and marriage has an objective structure with inherent characteristics derived, or born if you will, quite literally, from the very nature of the sexual union of a man and a woman. This union is absolutely unique— you can say what you want and say it’s not so, but you cannot change this objective reality that has nothing to do with opinion or interpretation.

INC on April 28, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Of course, you may not consider an in-utero human to be worthy under the law. But then you are strawmanning this under the guise of “authoritarianism”.

kim roy on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Hardly. “Protecting unborn life” requires the carriers of that pregnant life to surrender a significant portion of their bodily autonomy. All that, to satisfy the whims of people like you, who don’t even have a personal stake in the matter. If that isn’t authoritarian, I don’t know what is. You’re no better than some ivory tower-dwelling, arugula and tofu-eating liberal who wants to ban soda and potato chips.

Oh, dearie. Sigh.
You might possibly be beyond reaching, but at least do a bit of research, would’ja ?
‘Personhood’ is a subjective term … LIFE is scientifically provable.
And, yes, we Christians have science on our side .. since we DO recognise its value.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

How does this conflict with anything that I said? Where did I say that zygotes and fetuses are not, in a medical sense, alive? In fact, I explicitly used the terms “people” and “persons”.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

We pro-lifers are like the Germans who objected to the murder of Jews. Nobody will listen, they’ll just keep on murdering because that’s what evil people do. Evil pays pretty well these days.

Mojave Mark on April 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Few Germans objected to the murder of Jews. In part because the extermination was so institutionalized that individual Germans saw the bigger picture.

I would suggest the same is true of those who are okay with the murder of children through abortion.

Happy Nomad on April 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Oy.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Of course, you may not consider an in-utero human to be worthy under the law. But then you are strawmanning this under the guise of “authoritarianism”.

kim roy on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Hardly. “Protecting unborn life” requires the carriers of that pregnant life to surrender a significant portion of their bodily autonomy. All that, to satisfy the whims of people like you, who don’t even have a personal stake in the matter. If that isn’t authoritarian, I don’t know what is. You’re no better than some ivory tower-dwelling, arugula and tofu-eating liberal who wants to ban soda and potato chips.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Do you even read what you write or have any concept of it??

I don’t have a personal stake in a lot of things. For instance, I don’t see myself robbing a bank. Doesn’t mean that the law against it isn’t a good one.

As well, pregnancy except in the rarest of circumstances is an entirely voluntary action. Now if someone is silly enough to do something and not consider the consequences should we as a society infringe on someone else’s rights in order to satisfy someone else’s lack of personal responsibility?

You are almost sounding like… a liberal… Hmmmm.

Funny that, MobyTroll.

kim roy on April 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Happy Nomad on April 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Totally agree.
So, who shall we have clean out the abortion mills ?
I nominate Armin !!

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Women don’t sleep with these loser dudes!

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You’ve hit on an important subtext of many abortions: deadbeat dads pressuring their girlfriends into abortions.

Robert_Paulson on April 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Thank God Armin is here to defend Abortion, or the Lawful Termination of Parasitic Zygotes! The man is the John C Calhoun of the Pro-Choice Movement.

JFKY on April 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Robert_Paulson on April 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Agreed, from my personal research, that is rampant.
As is parental pressure.
God help us.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Few Germans objected to the murder of Jews. In part because the extermination was so institutionalized that individual Germans saw the bigger picture.
I would suggest the same is true of those who are okay with the murder of children through abortion.
Happy Nomad on April 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Exactly. And they dehumanize the babies in they same way the Nazis tried to dehumanize Jews, disabled people, etc.

Anyone who tries to defend this is either deluded or a sick, cold, evil person.

What cowards these people are for killing these babies, who can’t speak out or defend themselves. It’s none of our business, the sick and the deluded say. We are told to look the other way and forget that these babies ever existed. But it IS everyone’s business when totally innocent babies are being flushed down toilets and hacked to pieces. This is barbaric.

bluegill on April 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM

You’ve hit on an important subtext of many abortions: deadbeat dads pressuring their girlfriends into abortions.

Robert_Paulson on April 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I’ve heard of women having multiple abortions from repeated pregnancies from one guy. If you had an abortion because the guy is a loser and not responsible…..why do they continue sleeping with them?

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Delusion.
Must pray against it, always.

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM

“But no one here is defending what Kermit Gosnell did!”

Bullshit you aren’t, ghouls. You just can’t admit it to us or yourselves.

gryphon202 on April 28, 2013 at 8:34 PM

We can lie to ourselves all day long.. but America is practicing in many ways evil that is no different than what the National Socialist party practiced in Germany during WWII.

This is barbaric. Absolutely barbaric.

JellyToast on April 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Laminaria “seaweed sticks” aren’t “toxic”, they’ve been used for ages to manually dilate the cervix and is perfectly appropriate therapy for labor induction of a regular term pregnancy. I suppose it originated in Japan, lol. I have 4-5 unopened boxes in my office, must be twenty years old now. We don’t use them anymore because we have prostaglandin medicines to do the same thing.

Marcus on April 28, 2013 at 9:48 PM

We can lie to ourselves all day long.. but America is practicing in many ways evil that is no different than what the National Socialist party practiced in Germany during WWII.

This is barbaric. Absolutely barbaric.

JellyToast on April 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I seem to recall that in the early 1990′s, a pioneering radio talk show host coined the term “feminazi.” What do you think he had in mind when he came up with that?

gryphon202 on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Yeah, can you believe all these people getting worked up because people are dying? I mean, what business does the government have in protecting life?!

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

That’s right, keep defining down the definition of “people”. It’s funny to see the same “conservatives” who fret over marriage being “redefined” deciding that words like “person” should now apply to microscopic zygotes, unformed fetuses, etc.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Show me where an abortionist ever kills a zygote, and you might be relevant. And babies at 24 weeks are not unformed.

Quit trying to cloak what you really believe, which is that it’s ok to kill the babies at any point right up until the moment of birth, and no biggie if it happens a few hours later.

Here is someone who doesn’t even try to follow the fine distinctions you hide behind and kill the baby before the actual birth. No, he just induces labor, then kills the baby after birth. And you’ve been falling over yourself to defend him every day.

And if we’re down to utilitarian principles, a baby that’s never yet been born is worth far more to society than someone like you who advocates for the destruction of inconvenient life.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

And I agree, maybe this is so awful that it will be a turning point.

No.

Most of America doesn’t want the government to be in charge of pregnancy. No matter how hard some try to gross everyone out.

Having the government tell you that you are only allowed x number of pregnancies isn’t anything that many people are interested in either. That’s what the left would do with government control of pregnancy.

Only a fool believes that the power would only ever be used their way. Just keep the government out of it.

Moesart on April 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Then why have civil courts..

Just duel instead, with paid proxies if necessary..

Your view is to allow people to simply make their own immoral choices, even if murder is the outcome, that has got to be the sickest response on Gosnel and company I’ve seen yet.

You have never held a dead 2.5 pound infant, have you>

One with his brother and sister’s face, his limp form, held by his father, minutes after she delivered him in a still birth.. He never saw his own parents cry over him, never saw his sister and brother, his funeral.. never heard his own name spoken to him..

and I’ll carry that with me till my last breath.. because to forget him, Garret Douglas Edwards, is to betray his life, as short as it was.. To betray the long weeks as we decorated his nursery, the the awful emptiness of his passing, the holes it left in our chests..

he is with Jesus now, my mother aned father are there, my sister, a brother.. he’ll know love, and someday if we are judged worthy, we’ll see him again, and I hope he will know what a terrible loss it was to us, how the love for him grew as he did, within my wife, his mother..

A loss like that, either drives a couple apart, or bonds them forever, The placenta failed they said.. and the only solace we had, was each other, and our two beatuiful children, to young to fully understand why..

and to you..

He was just disposable tissue..

You need to get right with God, because you have a withered soul, may God have mercy on you, ..

It was so very hard typing that, he’d be 9 in June, the 7th if he had lived.. I couldn’t see the keys well, and that is why, I’ll NEVER relent on changing the hearts of those who refuse to face the evils they try so hard to ignore..

I still pray to God, that please, let our son, our children’s baby brother knows we still love and miss him..

and hope to be with him in the Father’s Kingdom someday..

every child that dies at the hands of a monster, should have someone to mourn him.. mourn her.. no human life, no matter how small and how fragile, is worthless.

even the withered empty husk of a soul some have, in the end will see that, because God see’s everything, and his judgement no one can escape.

No more empty excuses..

just, justice.

mark81150 on April 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM

While I blame both the men and women. I do bet many of these women would keep the baby if they knew the man help raise the baby.

Women don’t sleep with these loser dudes!

terryannonline on April 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I’d bet that these women would use other forms of birth control if they knew that having an abortion was no longer a legal birth control option. And if not, let them go to the back alley.

ardenenoch on April 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM

The pro abortionist crowd, says.. no no.. nobody uses abortion as birth control..

That easily disproved lie is found in the words of so many, who make excuses for being in a hurry, too drunk, too high,.. and my boyfriend hates condoms… and he said he won’t pay for the brat, which he denies is his any way..

Try Youtube, and watch as people tell you why they aborted..

Having been responsible was never the question,.. only pure pleasure on tap, and hey.. I can always just abort.. I don’t have a husband.. Welfare said they won’t pay for the next one.. my career is too IMPORTANT..

It sickens you, the shallow hollow excuses..

I have great respect for my too sisters in law, both unwed mothers.. One abandoned by a boy/husband who felt “trapped”.. one was simply lazy,.. but both had their children and loved them.. My nieces and nephews.. and even now as my wife and I struggle to keep a good home, for us, and those two now homeless sisters of my wife..

I’ll live modestly,.. we’ll do what we can, with what we have, because you don’t ever resent a life for being hard to care for, not if you’re a real human being..

We walked the walk, helping raise these kids, while one mom has severe medical issues and the other looks for work in this crappy economy..

It’s not easy, not very fair.. but children are worth it, all of them.. I have two of my own to raise, and four more to be the father figure to.. and none of them, are regretted, resented..

I wouldn’t trade my life right now for anything, they need us, and that is reason enough.

mark81150 on April 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM

My final prayer, today, is, that God will use whatever means HE wills, to reach whomever He knows is ready to hear and understand. Ears to hear comes into play .. no ?
Whatever works, Lord … save them all.

pambi on April 29, 2013 at 12:21 AM

mark81150 on April 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Sorry to say I just now have read your previous posts.
Well done, good and faithful servant.
He knows, He sees, He watches over you, with great joy.
He’s willing to dance with you, btw…. accept ??
:-)

pambi on April 29, 2013 at 12:34 AM

mark81150 on April 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Doggonit, Mark .. He won’t let me go …

Dance, son, dance with Me !!
;-)

pambi on April 29, 2013 at 1:08 AM

LOL….

why not..

And they say Christians don’t know fun…

I don’t wish harm or death on anyone, I know physical pain too well, I like you pambi, wish them redemption..

mark81150 on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 AM

I saw more compassion from the staff when I had to put my cat to sleep.

Don’t people understand what it does to a society when you cheapen life like that? Rhetorical question, obviously they don’t. They think it’s entirely private. It isn’t.

Socratease on April 29, 2013 at 2:56 AM

mark81150 on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 AM

:-)
Sure hope you’re not adverse to 3/4 time, since He loves that, a lot .. LOL
Count me as one praying for ya, Mark.
We’re out here .. many !
Oh, yeah .. you’re that special to Him … yup.
:-)

pambi on April 29, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Wow. Abortion kills living babies. The sad part is that this is news.

Shump on April 29, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Scissors weren’t available to “snip” the spinal cord at the base of the neck, so this woman gets 51 years. WTF?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/26/newborns-twins-tennessee-sentenced/2116439/

WWOD? (What Would Obama Do?)

NoPain on April 29, 2013 at 11:05 AM

WaPo has even picked this up….

ted c on April 29, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I thought of going to a clinic undercover when I was pregnant to get some kind of expose like this. But I was honestly afraid either I or my baby wouldn’t get out alive.

cptacek on April 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Where I stand is when heart and brain activity are both detectable; if nothing else than for internal consistency, because that’s when I stand on life ENDING.

Berate me if and as you will.

MelonCollie on April 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I heard my baby’s heartbeat 33 days after conception. (which = 6 weeks pregnant) I don’t know when they can do brain scans.

However, are we to trust someone like Gosnell to find a heartbeat that early and trust him to say “uh, can’t do it. Sorry?”

cptacek on April 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

A few years ago I considered myself a moderate, at least with regard to social issues. I figured the most important thing was to elect people interested in providing for the common defense, securing the borders, etc. Making too much of a fuss about other hot-button issues for the left would just further motivate them to vote us down.

Never mind the fact that that hasn’t worked out so well as a strategy. The recent abortion news has forced me to reconsider the meaning of not taking a clear stand. (Ditto in other areas, such as the 2nd amendment.)

The Prez isn’t the only one “evolving.” As they continue pushing their agenda, we as a nation are going to get further and further apart.

fatherspledge on April 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I thought of going to a clinic undercover when I was pregnant to get some kind of expose like this. But I was honestly afraid either I or my baby wouldn’t get out alive.

cptacek on April 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Sadly, I think this fear is all too common and justified. And it keeps the horror houses safe. I was trying to imagine an O’Keefe sting for them, but how? To really show the depravity, you’d actually have to go through an examination at minimum. Which means you’d have to actually be pregnant. What are the odds of finding a pregnant pro-lifer willing to be touched by these monsters?

*shudder*

Chris of Rights on April 30, 2013 at 9:17 AM

With all the lefty whining about Big Oil, I can’t help but wonder who is protecting us from Big Abortion.

Chris of Rights on April 30, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Scissors weren’t available to “snip” the spinal cord at the base of the neck, so this woman gets 51 years. WTF?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/26/newborns-twins-tennessee-sentenced/2116439/

WWOD? (What Would Obama Do?)

NoPain on April 29, 2013 at 11:05 AM

seems hypocritical doesn’t it?
if gosnell had held the pillows it would be ok I guess.
murdering bastards.

dmacleo on April 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM

That’s right, keep defining down the definition of “people”. It’s funny to see the same “conservatives” who fret over marriage being “redefined” deciding that words like “person” should now apply to microscopic zygotes, unformed fetuses, etc.

Armin Tamzarian on April 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Scientifically, a human being’s life begins at fertilization. But you knew that.

bmmg39 on April 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

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